New Wizard?
Olivia
they get a letter on their 11th birthday? Harry and Hermione didn't know
they were wizards until they got a letter. I think it will be Dudley.
Olivia
Lyle Francis Delp
No. JKR has said that with Dudley, what you see is what
you get.
Most likely, the wizard that will show magical abilities
later in life will be one whom we recognize as a squib...
Filch or Figg are among the candidates. My vote goes
for Filch.
Some theorize that this wizard/witch was Merope, who was
thought a squib by her father, but was able to do some
magic and potions "relatively late in life" to get Tom Riddle,Sr.
to fall in love with her. There is some validity to this idea, as
JKR's comment predates the publication of HBP.
So, it could be Merope, but my vote is still on Filch.
--
Lyle Delp
Yeah, Lyle Francis Delp! Ya wanna make somethin' outtavit?
Ron Hunter
wouldn't get such a letter.
Ron Hunter
mueckelein
Merope, according to DD, was a witch. She was able to produce a
lovepotion and that requires a witch or wizard. She only was not able
to show her powers, similar to Tonks in HBP. Her abilities were
reduced, too, because of sorrow. She cannot be it. Secondly: she can
not show anything any more. She´s dead.
mueckelein
I forgot to mention that she has an own wand. If Morfin really thought
she was a squib she´d not have one. He calls her a squib, yes, but
only to intimidate her.
JM
"mueckelein" <mueck...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 24 Jun., 16:16, Lyle Francis Delp <L...@nystpen.gov> wrote:
> On 2007-06-24 10:09:10 -0400, "Olivia" <nos...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > If someone discovers they are a wizard, later in their age, then why
> > didn't
> > they get a letter on their 11th birthday? Harry and Hermione didn't
> > know
> > they were wizards until they got a letter. I think it will be Dudley.
>
> > Olivia
>
> No. JKR has said that with Dudley, what you see is what
> you get.
>
> Most likely, the wizard that will show magical abilities
> later in life will be one whom we recognize as a squib...
> Filch or Figg are among the candidates. My vote goes
> for Filch.
My vote is also with Filch. Hogwarts will be under attack and Filch will
become so angry that he will suddenly have powers. The first question was,
though, why didn't this wizard get a letter? Could the ministry have
overlooked his powers?
Drusilla
> Merope, according to DD, was a witch. She was able to produce a
> lovepotion and that requires a witch or wizard. She only was not able
> to show her powers, similar to Tonks in HBP. Her abilities were
> reduced, too, because of sorrow. She cannot be it. Secondly: she can
> not show anything any more. She´s dead.
JKR referred to a late bloomer, not someone who was thought to be a
squib and started doing magic.
"In my books, magic almost always shows itself in a person before age
11; however, there is a character who does manage in desperate
circumstances to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare in
the world I am writing about."
It might have been the case of a younger Merope and we might never find
out not see how it happened. Or, we might via Pensieve. Also, doing
magic "late in life" could be 15 or 17 in the wizarding standards.
Matt Clara
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The thing about it being Filch is, who cares? All I mean by that is, it
seems a relative non-event to be introducing it in the last book. Now with
Vernon, there's something interesting--that could shake things up a bit.
BubblyBabs
"Olivia" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How about the accountant squib cousin of Molly's?
Babs
Lyle Francis Delp
Granted.
Matt Clara
I suppose if Filch does something spectacular with his new found power--save
Hogwarts, perhaps--that would be equally interesting, or nearly so.
Toon
Dudley and Petunia are Muggles. The End. Even the quill missed this
person, and it's such a rare occurrence no wonder it did. Assuming
the parent or sibling doesn't get the letter first and destroy it,
thinking it's some kind of sick joke towards their muggle/squib.
Toon
I also claim DD. Imagine Voldemort's surprise that the only one he
ever feared was a near squib. Makes him seriously wonder how great he
is if Squib Boy can become his equal.
Toon
Yes, because the Ministry has nothing to do with Hogwrats letters.
No letter because the Quill isn't infallible, and even this person
fooled it. The late blooming is such a rare occurrence, I doubt the
quill knows what to do.
Assuming someone didn't intercept the letter and destroy it.
Toon
It might also pop up in passing, and nobody will care. Might be a
trophy for them for last minute rescue.
Alex Clark
That wouldn't stop someone from going to Hogwarts. Hogwarts just sends
more letters, and more and more and more ("all hopping through the
frothy waves . . ."). If about a hundred of them at once don't do the
trick, then they send a messenger.
--
Alex Clark
Troll ova redid mom (an anagram rejected by Tom Riddle)
Richard Eney
Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote:
> "JM" <nos...@pwhome.com> wrote:
>>"mueckelein" <mueck...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> "Olivia" <nos...@yahoo.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> If someone discovers they are a wizard, later in their age,
>>>>> then why didn't they get a letter on their 11th birthday?
>> The first question was, though,
>>why didn't this wizard get a letter?
>> Could the ministry have overlooked his powers?
>
>Yes, because the Ministry has nothing to do with Hogwrats letters.
>
>No letter because the Quill isn't infallible, and even this person
>fooled it. The late blooming is such a rare occurrence, I doubt the
>quill knows what to do.
The quill writes down the name of every person born within its
area of jurisdiction (the UK). It's already been mentioned that
if someone is born outside that area, they won't be listed by
the quill and won't get a letter.
But it also has been said by JKR that magic usually shows itself
by the age of eleven. In Neville's case, it only showed once and
that was forced out of him. Perhaps, although the quill writes down
names of infants with magical potential, there's a secondary stage
and you only get the letter if you have shown _evidence_ of magic.
Hence Filch's desperate attempts to produce some kind of magic
even after not getting a letter, and Mrs. Figg's statement that she
never so much as transfigured a teacup - even though she as a squib
would not have received a letter, she clearly had tried to do magic
and someone had let her try some fairly complex spells - teacups
come much later than matchsticks-to-needles in the transfiguration
lessons.
This also might tell us something about Petunia: maybe she read
Lily's textbooks even though she never got a letter herself. She
might remember a spell she read, even though she can't do it. Her
obsessive cleaning might mean she read about the various magical
things that breed in messy places, in Magical Beasts.
=Tamar
Welsh Dog
<alexb...@pennswoods.net> wrote:
>Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:09:10 -0500, "Olivia" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<squib>
>That wouldn't stop someone from going to Hogwarts. Hogwarts just sends
>more letters, and more and more and more ("all hopping through the
>frothy waves . . ."). If about a hundred of them at once don't do the
>trick, then they send a messenger.
We only know that happened once - with Harry... and in PoA it appeared
it was Hagrid sending the additional letters.
Welshdog
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Sirius Kase
Maybe they DID get the letter, but if they don't believe in magic at
all, they might have thought it to be a joke and would have thrown it
out and completely forgotten it. Or a parent may have thrown it out.
Jo says that in the case of muggles, a wizard comes along and proves
magic to be true, but maybe the wizard wasn't as persistnat as Hagrid,
or maybe small enought that they just through him out of the house.
Who remembers all the practical jokes or other harrassment from their
middle school years?
If this is the case, it isn't one of our squibs unless they came to
the realization later that magic WAS for real and they had missed out
on a cool opportunity. But, most squibs are raised in magical familes
and know it is for real, so I think our unknown wizard is someone we
all think is a complete muggle. But, not one of the ones that Rowling
has completely ruled out. Maybe it is Marge or her dog.
DaveD
"Drusilla" <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote in message
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We've had this discussion before, but to me, "quite late in life" especially
in the context of a sentence talking about 11yolds suggests well into
adulthood - it could be as you say as it's ambiguously phrased, but
subjectively speaking, and bearing in mind it was a passing remark in an
interview, I'd interpret it as meaning 20s+ at the earliest, and more likely
40+.
Also, if you were born to a magical family but didn't seem to have any
magical powers, you would think you're a squib, as Neville's family thought
he was. It's only if you subsequently did some magic you'd realise you
weren't a squib.
DaveD
Toon
<dav...@DELETETHISBITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>We've had this discussion before, but to me, "quite late in life" especially
>in the context of a sentence talking about 11yolds suggests well into
>adulthood - it could be as you say as it's ambiguously phrased, but
>subjectively speaking, and bearing in mind it was a passing remark in an
>interview, I'd interpret it as meaning 20s+ at the earliest, and more likely
>40+.
But most show magic years before their 11th birthday, which makes late
in life earlier for a 6 month old.
But it really depends on what JK defines late as.
Thom-Madura
If one was not going to be a wizard at the time they would enter or be
in Hogwarts - they likely would not get a letter either
DaveD
"Thom-Madura" <thomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Hey Thom - good to see you back. How are things - recovered after the floods
now?
DaveD
Thom-Madura
THings are pretty much back to normal for me - although my neighbors
will need a lot more time.
I do have a problem though -
I theoretically have access to a review copy of the last book - and had
to sign a non-disclosure. So - my comments have to be limited.
Welsh Dog
<thomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>DaveD wrote:
>> "Thom-Madura" <thomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:66Cgi.16$iZ...@newsfe12.lga...
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> Olivia wrote:
<snip>
>> Hey Thom - good to see you back. How are things - recovered after the
>> floods now?
>THings are pretty much back to normal for me - although my neighbors
>will need a lot more time.
>I do have a problem though -
>I theoretically have access to a review copy of the last book - and had
>to sign a non-disclosure. So - my comments have to be limited.
Not long to wait now... then you can comment to your hearts content :)
Welshdog
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Dragon Rider
> I do have a problem though -
>
> I theoretically have access to a review copy of the last book - and had
> to sign a non-disclosure. So - my comments have to be limited.
SPOILER-MAN!! Beware! :)
Seriously, your problem is one I guess everyone in this NG would like
to have!
Green-Eyed Chris
Thom-Madura <thomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
I wish I could goad you into shouting out some information by saying
something like "Your comments are always ~limited~!".
But, siriusly, I would be headed for my local bookmaker if I were you.
--
Chris
DaveD
Really? Not sure whether to be envious or glad I'm not suffering the
frustration of not being able to say much.
So if you theoretically have access, have you actually (rather than
theoretically!) read it yet, and if so, did you enjoy it and were there many
loose-ends left*, or aren't you allowed to say even that much?
*eg do we find out if HIAAH lol?!!
DaveD
doofy
>>> didn't
>>> they get a letter on their 11th birthday? Harry and Hermione didn't
>>> know
>>> they were wizards until they got a letter. I think it will be Dudley.
>>>
>>> Olivia
>>
>>
>> you get.
>>
>> Most likely, the wizard that will show magical abilities
>> later in life will be one whom we recognize as a squib...
>> Filch or Figg are among the candidates. My vote goes
>> for Filch.
>>
>> Some theorize that this wizard/witch was Merope, who was
>> thought a squib by her father, but was able to do some
>> magic and potions "relatively late in life" to get Tom Riddle,Sr.
>> to fall in love with her. There is some validity to this idea, as
>> JKR's comment predates the publication of HBP.
>>
>> So, it could be Merope, but my vote is still on Filch.
>>
I think it will be his wife.
doofy
I think it will be Mrs. Dursley, and she will either be protecting Harry
or Dudley, or both. She will be destroyed, but will give Harry a chance
to save the rest of the family.
Ron Hunter
If you mean Petunia, I seem to remember that this possibility was ruled
out by JKR in an interview.
Toon
Vernon's wife's a Muggle named Petunia.
Ron Hunter
Gee, now I didn't know that. Grin.
I have read fanfics that propose that there is such strong magic in
Hogwarts castle that even a Muggle who stays there a while might start
to do magic. So how long has Filch been caretaker?
beyond the pale
Hogwarts thing, or do students at the other schools (Durmstrang etc) get
letters? Draco has said he was almost sent to Durmstrang (he wanted to since
they don't accept anyone who is not pureblood). I remember him saying this
but now I don't remember why Draco WAS sent to Hogwarts.....but how does the
letter thing work, does the sschool just "know"??
doofy
I know her status. Just forgot the name.
doofy
Its magic.
Ron Hunter
When the magic at Hogwarts detects accidental magic from a child in
Britain, his/her name is noted in a ledger. When that child turns 11, a
letter is sent inviting him/her to the next September starting of
school. If the child is not from a wizard family, then someone is sent
to his/her home to explain the matter. The mainland schools may do
things differently.
Draco was sent to Hogwarts because his father was on the board, and so
that he could watch Harry Potter.
Toon
His mommy made him go. I think to keep him closer to home.
Dragon Rider
> beyond the pale wrote:
> > As for why they didn't get a letter when they turned 11- is this just a
> > Hogwarts thing, or do students at the other schools (Durmstrang etc) get
> > letters? Draco has said he was almost sent to Durmstrang (he wanted to since
> > they don't accept anyone who is not pureblood). I remember him saying this
> > but now I don't remember why Draco WAS sent to Hogwarts.....but how does the
> > letter thing work, does the sschool just "know"??
>
> When the magic at Hogwarts detects accidental magic from a child in
> Britain, his/her name is noted in a ledger. When that child turns 11, a
> letter is sent inviting him/her to the next September starting of
> school. If the child is not from a wizard family, then someone is sent
> to his/her home to explain the matter. The mainland schools may do
> things differently.
IIRC, the Magic Quill notes the child´s name at birth, not when they
first do accidental magic. Quote from JKR:
"The Ministry of Magic doesn't find out which children are magic. In
Hogwarts there's a magical quill which detects the birth of a magical
child, and writes his or her name down in a large parchment book.
Every year Professor McGonagall checks the book, and sends owls to the
people who are turning 11."
> Draco was sent to Hogwarts because his father was on the board, and so
> that he could watch Harry Potter.
That would be amazing foreplanning, but it´s possible to find canon
support for that: Draco tries to befriend Harry from day one. However,
it didn´t work too well; in later books, Draco´s always trying to keep
his plans hidden from Harry, not the contrary!