Trevor's Secret
DM
SS/PS...
Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
DM
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Richard Eney
DM <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>SS/PS...
>
>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
>or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
>after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
>case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
Interesting idea. I figured there had to be something going on with
Trevor, but I hadn't even thought about the intelligence necessary to get
to the boat. I guess I thought Hagrid routinely found any missing animals
in a quick two-second magical scan of the train before leaving, or maybe
the sandwich trolley lady did it and gave them to him. If Trevor got
there by himself, and wasn't just heading for the nearest body of water
(as far as I know, toads aren't particularly water-dwellers except for
egg-laying), that could be a really big hint. But if he isn't an animagus
(and that would be awfully old at this point), and if transfigured people
don't remember being anything else, why would he have done that? Is there
a kind of enhanced-intelligence toad, like an amphibian equivalent
of a kneazle?
=Tamar
Toon
>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>SS/PS...
>
>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
>or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
>after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
>case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
>
>DM
I think all wizard familiars have been enhanced via magic, like owls,
and cats, and toads, oh my. Scabbers was the exception, as Ron
thought him a normal rat (and I'm not talking about POA's revelation).
I mean normal, compared to the usual familiars.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read
> or watched SS/PS...
> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
> heading?
How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even, though it was
raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
Catherine Johnson.
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Unknown
something useful when (s)he said:
>"DM" <dm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:ea0fa62643706284...@news.sonicnews.com...
>
>> No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read
>> or watched SS/PS...
>> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
>> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
>> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
>> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
>> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
>> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
>> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
>> heading?
>
>How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even, though it was
>raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
>
>Catherine Johnson.
Have you read/seen Chamber of Secrets? The answer is there.
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- Lucius Malfoy.
Unknown
(s)he said:
>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>SS/PS...
>
>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
>or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
>after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
>case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
>
>DM
I don;t hope he's another animagus. Perhaps he's Neville's Grandmother
- keeping an eye on him.
Darmok
>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>SS/PS...
>
>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
>or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
>after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
>case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
>
>DM
Uhh ... perhaps Trevor is related to Kermit the frog ... who also
showed some amazing talents, including a love of pork ;-)
"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."
Mark Evans
> "DM" <dm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:ea0fa62643706284...@news.sonicnews.com...
>> No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read
>> or watched SS/PS...
>> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
>> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
>> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
>> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
>> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
>> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
>> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
>> heading?
> How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even, though it was
> raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
Very odd considering they speak a form of Portugese in Brazil.
Most likely the reason is that Harry is actually speaking
Parseltounge, but from his POV the snake appears to be speaking
English.
Shawn St.Clair
05/26/03 4:00 AM:
Trevor is not "Gran" Longbottom. He was a present bought by his Great Uncle
Algie when he was accepted at Hogwarts (Scholastic, p. 125). But there has
to be something about toads in general to be mentioned directly in letters
to first-years ("Students may also bring and owl OR a cat OR a toad"
[Scholastic, p. 67]). Funny there wasn't anything mentioned about rats or
tarantulas (remember Lee Jordan's pet?).
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Fish Eye no Miko
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> thought (s)he was saying
> something useful when (s)he said:
>
> >"DM" <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read
> >> or watched SS/PS...
> >> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
> >> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
> >> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
> >> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
> >> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
> >> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
> >> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
> >> heading?
> >
> >How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even,
> >though it was raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
>
> Have you read/seen Chamber of Secrets? The answer is there.
I know about Parseltongue, thanks. But, see, snakes are NOT that smart..
Maybe you could talk to one to and get it to obey you, like a dog or a cay,
but to have one talk back?
My point is, animals in the JKR world generally seem a bit smarter than
those in the real world.
Catherine Johnson.
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Uncle
> Algie when he was accepted at Hogwarts (Scholastic, p. 125). But there has
> to be something about toads in general to be mentioned directly in letters
> to first-years ("Students may also bring and owl OR a cat OR a toad"
> [Scholastic, p. 67]). Funny there wasn't anything mentioned about rats or
> tarantulas (remember Lee Jordan's pet?).
>
older students are not kept rigidly to the rule, as to Scabbers well I
assume that perhaps as the rat had been Percy's and already been to the
school (I assume with him) it didn't matter too much, Ron may have even been
given permission to bring him.
Dragon Friend
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Fish Eye no Miko
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> Fish Eye no Miko <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> > "DM" <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
> >> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
> >> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
> >> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
> >> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
> >> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
> >> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
> >> heading?
>
> > How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even,
> > though it was raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
>
> Very odd considering they speak a form of Portugese in Brazil.
That's right, my bad. Well, he uses the word "amigo."
> Most likely the reason is that Harry is actually speaking
> Parseltounge, but from his POV the snake appears to be
> speaking English.
Not the point...
How does a snake have the intelligence to carry on a conversation, is my
point.
Catherine Johnson.
--
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"My whole life's been built on lies. I just... I guess I thought this one
was better than the others."
-Connor, _Angel_.
Lauren
has
> > to be something about toads in general to be mentioned directly in
letters
> > to first-years ("Students may also bring and owl OR a cat OR a toad"
> > [Scholastic, p. 67]). Funny there wasn't anything mentioned about rats
or
> > tarantulas (remember Lee Jordan's pet?).
> >
> But then Lee Jordan is not a 1st year so perhaps he has dispensation or
> older students are not kept rigidly to the rule, as to Scabbers well I
> assume that perhaps as the rat had been Percy's and already been to the
> school (I assume with him) it didn't matter too much, Ron may have even
been
> given permission to bring him.
I thought the cat, rat and toad were mentioned specifically because they
must have some magical abilities - but you can bring any old rat you like !
Lauren
Sirius Kase
<m...@anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
It sounds like Portugese to him because he is subconsiously expecting
to hear Portugese from reading the card. He doesn't ever hear
parseltongue, he only hears human language.
sirius kase
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if I already knew it."
Sirius Kase
<fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>"Mark Evans" <m...@anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>> Fish Eye no Miko <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>> > "DM" <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion
>> >> that there is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far.
>> >> Case in point: Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville
>> >> and Hermione (and possibly others) search for it while traveling.
>> >> Where does Trevor end up? In one of the boats. Now I ask,
>> >> how does a normal toad leave the train to hop in a boat that
>> >> happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very place Neville is
>> >> heading?
>>
>> > How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish, even,
>> > though it was raised in a British zoo!) and know to head to Brazil?
>>
>> Very odd considering they speak a form of Portugese in Brazil.
>
>That's right, my bad. Well, he uses the word "amigo."
>
>> Most likely the reason is that Harry is actually speaking
>> Parseltounge, but from his POV the snake appears to be
>> speaking English.
>
>Not the point...
>How does a snake have the intelligence to carry on a conversation, is my
>point.
>
>Catherine Johnson.
How mugglish of you to assume a snake doesn't have that sort of
intelligence. Just because you can't converse with a snake doesn't
mean that Harry can't. And Harry had just told him he was Brazilian,
and are we sure that that's where the snake was headed? He may have
just been headed out of captivity.
A lot of creatures seem to know that it is safer to hide their
intelligence. If we knew snakes were intelligent, we'd kill them all.
Sirius Kase
<coonc...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
Trevor's a Toad! honestly!
Sirius Kase
>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>SS/PS...
>
>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>usual frogs would do that. A normal toad would have jumped in the lake
>or hopped off to freedom, if it got out of the train out all. I know
>after PoA an animagus pet is old news, so I'm not saying this is the
>case. Just that there is more to Trevor than we've seen.
>
>DM
I'm of the very small school of thought that Trevor is always trying to
get down to Hagrid's hen house to hatch that basilisk. He is pulled to
it almost like a magnetic force and that's why he sticks with the group
heading towards Hogwarts.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> Fish Eye no Miko <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> >"Mark Evans" <m...@anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Fish Eye no Miko <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> >>
> >> > How does a normal snake talk to someone (in Spanish,
> >> > even, though it was raised in a British zoo!) and know
> >> > to head to Brazil?
> >>
> >> Most likely the reason is that Harry is actually speaking
> >> Parseltounge, but from his POV the snake appears to be
> >> speaking English.
> >
> >Not the point...
> >How does a snake have the intelligence to carry on a
> >conversation, is my point.
> >
> How mugglish of you to assume a snake doesn't have that sort
> of intelligence.
Well, if an average snake can have that kind of intelligence, than maybe an
average toad does, as well. Which goes back to my point, which is that
Trevor *could* just be a "normal": toad and still do the things that people
are suggesting make him "special".
> Just because you can't converse with a snake
Well, that and the fact that they don't have vocal cords...
> doesn't mean that Harry can't. And Harry had just told him
> he was Brazilian, and are we sure that that's where the
> snake was headed?
His words, "Brazil, here I come" were kind of a clue...
^_^
> A lot of creatures seem to know that it is safer to hide their
> intelligence. If we knew snakes were intelligent, we'd kill them all.
Sadly, many people seem to find plenty of reasons to kill them regardless
of their intelligence. )-:
Richard Eney
Sirius Kase <Siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>DM <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>No spoiler space, as I'm sure everyone here has at least read or watched
>>SS/PS...
>>
>>Upon my third reading of SS/PS, I have come to the conclusion that there
>>is more to Trevor the Toad than we have seen so far. Case in point:
>>Trevor is lost on the Hogwart's Express. Neville and Hermione (and
>>possibly others) search for it while traveling. Where does Trevor end
>>up? In one of the boats. Now I ask, how does a normal toad leave the
>>train to hop in a boat that happens to be going to Hogwarts, the very
>>place Neville is heading? Only a toad of incredible intelligence beyond
>>usual frogs would do that.
>I'm of the very small school of thought that Trevor is always trying to
>get down to Hagrid's hen house to hatch that basilisk. He is pulled to
>it almost like a magnetic force and that's why he sticks with the group
>heading towards Hogwarts.
Maybe there's a spell on Trevor to keep him somewhere near Neville, but
not always where Neville can find him.
Some toads secrete poisonous and-or hallucinogenic drugs in their skin;
just how much does Neville handle Trevor?
=Tamar
Fish Eye no Miko
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> Some toads secrete poisonous and-or hallucinogenic drugs in
> their skin; just how much does Neville handle Trevor?
Hey! That's another explanation for Neville's oddness--he's always high as
a kite. ^_~
Catherine Johnson.
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thiisnotmyrealemail! Lysa
> In article <260520031338226567%Siriu...@earthlink.net>,
> Sirius Kase <Siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >DM <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> <snip>
>
> >I'm of the very small school of thought that Trevor is always trying to
> >get down to Hagrid's hen house to hatch that basilisk. He is pulled to
> >it almost like a magnetic force and that's why he sticks with the group
> >heading towards Hogwarts.
Why would Trevor want to go to the bailisk?
> Maybe there's a spell on Trevor to keep him somewhere near Neville, but
> not always where Neville can find him.
I'd always just assumed that was the case. It never occured to me,
that Trevor was more intelligent than any other (toad) familiar.
> Some toads secrete poisonous and-or hallucinogenic drugs in their skin;
> just how much does Neville handle Trevor?
>
> =Tamar
Hmm... a very good point. It would certainly explain a lot. lol
Lysa
Sirius Kase
<fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>> How mugglish of you to assume a snake doesn't have that sort
>> of intelligence.
>
>Well, if an average snake can have that kind of intelligence, than maybe an
>average toad does, as well. Which goes back to my point, which is that
>Trevor *could* just be a "normal": toad and still do the things that people
>are suggesting make him "special".
Okay, now you made your point.
>
>> Just because you can't converse with a snake
>
>Well, that and the fact that they don't have vocal cords...
Who needs vocal cords? insects don't, there are ways around that lack
>
>> doesn't mean that Harry can't. And Harry had just told him
>> he was Brazilian, and are we sure that that's where the
>> snake was headed?
>
>His words, "Brazil, here I come" were kind of a clue...
That just might be....wonder if he made it?
>^_^
>
>> A lot of creatures seem to know that it is safer to hide their
>> intelligence. If we knew snakes were intelligent, we'd kill them all.
>
>Sadly, many people seem to find plenty of reasons to kill them regardless
>of their intelligence. )-:
But what if they could talk? What if they seemed intelligent and we
thought they were taking over the world? Poor snakes.
Sirius Kase
thiisnotmyrealemail! Lysa <ci...@aol.com> wrote:
>dic...@radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote in message
>news:<bauj4m$258$8...@news1.radix.net>...
>> In article <260520031338226567%Siriu...@earthlink.net>,
>> Sirius Kase <Siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >DM <dm...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> <snip>
>>
>> >I'm of the very small school of thought that Trevor is always trying to
>> >get down to Hagrid's hen house to hatch that basilisk. He is pulled to
>> >it almost like a magnetic force and that's why he sticks with the group
>> >heading towards Hogwarts.
>
>Why would Trevor want to go to the basilisk?
Instinct, that's what toads do. The sit on hen eggs and the resulting
hatchling is a basilisk. Details can be found in FBAWTFT. The process
takes seven years, so watch for it in book 7.
>
>> Maybe there's a spell on Trevor to keep him somewhere near Neville, but
>> not always where Neville can find him.
>
>I'd always just assumed that was the case. It never occured to me,
>that Trevor was more intelligent than any other (toad) familiar.
>
>> Some toads secrete poisonous and-or hallucinogenic drugs in their skin;
>> just how much does Neville handle Trevor?
>>
>> =Tamar
>
>Hmm... a very good point. It would certainly explain a lot. lol
>
>Lysa
yeah, that does, doesn't it.
Dragon Friend
>
> Some toads secrete poisonous and-or hallucinogenic drugs in their skin;
> just how much does Neville handle Trevor?
>
Fish Eye no Miko
> Fish Eye no Miko <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
> >> How mugglish of you to assume a snake doesn't have that sort
> >> of intelligence.
> >
> >Well, if an average snake can have that kind of intelligence, than
> >maybe an average toad does, as well. Which goes back to my point,
> >which is that Trevor *could* just be a "normal": toad and still do the
> >things that people are suggesting make him "special".
>
> Okay, now you made your point.
Ok, good. I just wanted to point out that the behavior of animals* in the
HP universe is such that a toad that seems much smarter than those we're
familiar with fits right in with other animals that seem "normal" in that
reality yet are more intelligent than the animals we're used to.
*I always want to types "anime" instead of "animal(s)". ^_^
> >> Just because you can't converse with a snake
> >
> >Well, that and the fact that they don't have vocal cords...
>
> Who needs vocal cords? insects don't, there are ways around
> that lack
Insects can speak?
<yes, I know they communicate. Not the same thing>
> >> doesn't mean that Harry can't. And Harry had just told him
> >> he was Brazilian, and are we sure that that's where the
> >> snake was headed?
> >
> >His words, "Brazil, here I come" were kind of a clue...
>
> That just might be....wonder if he made it?
> >^_^
I hope so. ^_^
> >> A lot of creatures seem to know that it is safer to hide their
> >> intelligence. If we knew snakes were intelligent, we'd kill
> >> them all.
> >
> >Sadly, many people seem to find plenty of reasons to kill them
> >regardless of their intelligence. )-:
>
> But what if they could talk? What if they seemed intelligent and we
> thought they were taking over the world? Poor snakes.
I dunno; they'd have some animal rights and civil rights people pulling for
them
Catherine Johnson. Who likes snakes just the way they are.
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