Food for Thought - Draco-the mis-understood.
Pawz
*likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
Lets face it, Hermione is cute. So is Draco (well i don't he is ugly).
My guess is...he does like her. I think it impresses him that a mud
blood is one of the best students in hogwarts (this also proves that
he is/was NEVER jealous of Hermione!!! Haven't you noticed he only
seems to pick on potter) and this proves his father is wrong about
muggle born kids. Most people would said NO WAY but in this case it's
possible. Fact is, no one understand Draco - the misunderstood
character. Truth is, Draco HIDES his true feelings. Why? Because that
is way his was raised . He doesn't know any different. This is all he
knows. That is way his parents treat him. Child abuse. Think about
it...
Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
Dragon Friend
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> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
> sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired and at
the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
Dragon Friend
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Fish Eye no Miko
> Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
> *likes* Hermione.
No.
> But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a mud-blood
> and his dad would "freak out."
No.
> Lets face it, Hermione is cute. So is Draco (well i don't he is ugly).
Draco is never described as "cute", or anything like it, in the books.
Heck, until GoF, I'm not sure Hermione is, either.
> My guess is...he does like her.
Please quote anything in the books that suggests this. ANYthing.
> I think it impresses him that a mud blood is one of the best
> students in hogwarts (this also proves that he is/was NEVER
> jealous of Hermione!!!
Re-read CoS, dear.
And where is it stated that he's "impressed" by Hermione's grades?
> Haven't you noticed he only seems to pick on potter)
LOL!! Re-read ALL the books. He insults them all.
> and this proves his father is wrong about muggle born kids.
> Most people would said NO WAY but in this case it's
> possible.
Again: Show us a quote.
> Fact is, no one understand Draco - the misunderstood
> character. Truth is, Draco HIDES his true feelings.
Proof? Indications? Anything?
> Why? Because that is way his was raised . He doesn't know any
> different. This is all he knows. That is way his parents treat him.
> Child abuse. Think about it...
Yeah, well, maybe he's abused. But he's still a racist, snobbish git.
> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
> sense..
This should be amusing...
> Think about it! - From Pawz
I think it's you who needs to think about it.
Catherine Johnson.
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"The time when it all ends is near. Make good use of the time you have
left."
-Legato Bluesummers, _Trigun_.
Pawz
take children's book series "seriously" besides which this is all just
fun. Second of all, these are just theories, ideas and personally
opinons of mine. I didn't say you HAD to agree with me on this. You
can have your own opinons, but you can't have your own facts. It's
called out of the box thinking, you should try it some time...
And I also understand if you don't agree with me, ok fine. So be it.
That is your opinon and I respect it. I very much hope you respect
mine as much as I do with yours...
Please re-read HP's book and watch the movies. Then you'll understand
my point of view.
1'Fact is Draco likes to tease Hermione. And she is close to Harry'
2'Fact is Draco is jealous of Harry'
3'Fact is we do not know enough about Draco personally besides the
fact that he is a jerk. But of course we only know the one SIDE of the
story.'
4'Fact is Draco doesn't like Ron because Ron is harry's best friend
(possible jealous of Ron also for being best friends with Harry) and
both of their fathers do not like each other. But that's another
matter'
And remember...
Duh, that's what teenage boys do, sometimes they like to tease the
girl they *like* and in this case it's possible PROOF that there is a
POSSIBITY that Draco might *like* Hermione. And like i told you all
before, Draco does not know what 'love' is. Why? Because look at his
father, and his mother. Look at his family. He does not KNOW ANY
DIFFERENCE.
It's also possible the writer of HP books would probably do this, but
it's impossible to know until the next books come out. But for sure it
would be a bit of twist in the series, think about it. No one would
ever guess that Draco and Hermione would be boyfriend and girlfriend.
Rememeber this is just food for thought. Harry potter books that is
the fun of it, you never know what will happen next...
From Pawz.
P.S. Please Re-read the Hp's book, if you are a 'true' HP fan. Thank
you for taking the time to read this :)
Earwax
>
>1'Fact is Draco likes to tease Hermione.
It goes WAY past "teasing" all the way to insulting and harassing.
--
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not
looking good either.
Pawz
And lets not forget there is NO PROOF that Draco is jealous of
Hermione.
Draco is rasist because HIS PARENTS are. Again like i said to you all
before, he doesnt know any different
Fish Eye no Miko
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Some strong language.
> Another thing i forgot to say,
Draco: Eh? Did we miss a paragraph or something?
Hermione: This must be a continuation from his other thread...
Ron: A bit abrupt, though, you've gotta admit.
> it's also possible that Draco really *likes* Hermione.
Draco: No. It's not.
Harry: Do these people *read* the books?
> But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a mud-blood and
> his dad would "freak out."
Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I live to
see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her screaming
in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
> Lets face it, Hermione is cute.
Draco: Ug.
Harry: She's not bad.
Hermione: <glaring at Harry> "Not bad"?
Harry: Oh, crap...
Draco: Uh-oh, someone better sleep with one eye open tonight.
Harry: Are you kidding? I've been doing that since second year...
Draco: <snorting laugh> I can honestly say don't I blame you.
> So is Draco
Ron: <snicker>
Draco: I'll have you know that I got several inviations to the Yule Ball
last year!
Harry: Where any of them from girls?
Hr&R: <snicker>
Draco: Oh, ha, ha.
Hermione: I dunno, there are *far* worse things than being attractive to
the members of the same sex.
Boys: <look at her funny>
Hermione: Well, there are!
Draco: OHhhhh... is THAT how it is with you? Looks like you're out of
luck, Potter
Harry: She's NOT my girlfriend!
Hermione: Honestly... let's just move on. And stop looking at me that way,
Malfoy, it's creeping me out. More than usual.
> (well i don't he is ugly).
Ron: You also think that Draco likes Hermione, so, no offense, but I can't
say much for your opinions.
> My guess is...he does like her.
Harry: <Bzzt> Oh, I'm sorry, you lose! Malfoy, tell him what his
consolation prize is!
Malfoy: A one way ticket to the Dark Forest!
All: <clapping>
> I think it impresses him that a mud blood is one of the
> best students in hogwarts
Draco: No, it's doesn't. She just sucks up to the teachers, is all.
Ron: And you don't? You've got your head so far up Snape's arse--
Hermione: Ron, I'm *begging* you not to finish that sentence.
Draco: <evil grin> Oh, no, Weasely... please do...
Ron: Nah, I think you get my point.
> (this also proves that he is/was NEVER jealous of Hermione!!!
Hermione: Re-read the scene in CoS where Malfoy and his dads are in
Knockturn Alley. Sounds like he's jealous to me.
Draco: I am not, you stupid mudblood!
Harry: Ok, ok...
> Haven't you noticed he only seems to pick on potter)
Ron: Since when?
Draco: No kidding. I insult everyone. Hagrid, Dumbledore, Potter,
Granger, Lupin, Weasley... Weasley... Weasley... Weas--...
Ron: Ok, that's quite enough.
> and this proves his father is wrong about muggle born kids.
Draco: Please.. getting good grades cuz you suck up to the teachers--
Hermione: I don't!
Draco: --doesn't prove a damn thing.
> Most people would said NO WAY but in this case it's
> possible.
Harry: And what makes you say this?
Draco: Other than insanity?
Harry: Well, yeah...
> Fact is, no one understand Draco - the misunderstood
> character.
Harry: He's a snobbish, racist bastard. How hard is that to understand?
Draco: Indeed.
> Truth is, Draco HIDES his true feelings.
Harry: <snickers> Right.
> Why? Because that is way his was raised . He doesn't know
> any different. This is all he knows. That is way his parents
> treat him. Child abuse.
Draco: HEY! DON'T INSULT MY PARENTS, YOU--
Ron: Calm down, Malfoy
Draco: I will not! He insulted my parents!
Harry: Malfoy, you insult *our* parents all the time!
Draco: Well, that's different; your parents deserve it!
> Think about it...
Draco: No.
> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
> sense..
Ron: NOW he tells us.
> Think about it!
Draco: Look, I said I wouldn't the last time; asking me to again isn't
going to change my mind.
> - From Pawz
Harry: So, Sirius walks into the bar wearing a bandage his hand, and says,
"I'm looking for the man who shot my paw!" <laughs hysterically>
Draco: Wow, Potter's lost it.
Hermione: Maybe we should leave...
Ron: Good idea.
Catherine Johnson, who got the "paw" idea from a fanart by Tabby. Hehehe.
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was better than the others."
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Fish Eye no Miko
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Draco: Him again?
All: <groan>
> Hehe. Well personally i think you guys are funny.
Harry: I wish the feeling were mutual.
> First of all, never take children's book series "seriously"
Hermione: Why not? Do you think we should take any books seriously? And
if so, why exclude "children's books"?
> besides which this is all just fun.
Draco: No, it's a bunch of fanwanking based on nothing in the books.
Ron: "Fan... wanking"?
Harry: He's right, that's what it's called.
Ron: O... kay...
> Second of all, these are just theories, ideas and personally
> opinons of mine.
Hermione: Again with the misplaced adverbs. And, btw, "opinions" based on
no fact--or worse, based on error--are not valid.
> I didn't say you HAD to agree with me on this.
Draco: Good.
> You can have your own opinons, but you can't have your
> own facts.
Hermione: Where are your facts? You've yet to list any.
> It's called out of the box thinking, you should try it some time...
Harry: Umm.. What's so 'out of the box' about false opinions, that, btw,
have been stated numerous times before?
> And I also understand if you don't agree with me, ok fine.
> So be it. That is your opinon and I respect it. I very
> much hope you respect mine as much as I do with yours...
Hermione: No, because yours don't square with the facts. They are,
therefore, WRONG. Yes, opinions can be wrong.
> Please re-read HP's book and watch the movies. Then you'll
> understand my point of view.
Draco: We're living it, pal.
> 1'Fact is Draco likes to tease Hermione.
Draco: No, I like to HUMILIATE her. Big difference.
> And she is close to Harry'
Harry: So?
> 2'Fact is Draco is jealous of Harry'
Draco: Please...
Ron: I actually think he's got something there.
Draco: Shut up, Weasley.
Ron: Well, even is he does, it has noting to do with Malfoy's opinion of
Hermione.
> 3'Fact is we do not know enough about Draco personally
> besides the fact that he is a jerk. But of course we only
> know the one SIDE of the story.'
Draco: True.
Harry: But it's not as if Draco hides he's feelings, as you've suggested.
If anything, he's too open with them, like at the end of GoF.
> 4'Fact is Draco doesn't like Ron because Ron is harry's
> best friend (possible jealous of Ron also for being best
> friends with Harry)
Draco: I don't like Ron because wizards like him and his family give
"pureblood" a bad name. I hated Weasley before I knew he and Harry were
friends.
> and both of their fathers do not like each other. But that's another
> matter'
Hary: Yes, so why bring it up?
> And remember...
> Duh, that's what teenage boys do, sometimes they like to tease the
> girl they *like*
Harry: So, if Fred walked up to Angelina, and--sorry, no offence
meant--called her a Nigger, that would be proof he liked her? Cuz that's
pretty similar to what Malfoy did by calling Hermione a Mudblood.
> and in this case it's possible PROOF that there is a
> POSSIBITY that Draco might *like* Hermione.
Draco: No. It's NOT. Give it the hell UP already. I. HATE. HERMIONE.
> And like i told you all before, Draco does not know what 'love' is.
Draco: Even if that were true, I do know what pure blood is, and Hermione
ain't got it.
Hermione: Looking at YOUR example of "pure blood", I wouldn't WANT it.
Ron: Hey!
Hermione: Sorry...
> Why? Because look at his father, and his mother. Look at his
> family. He does not KNOW ANY DIFFERENCE.
Harry: Is there any proof his mother isn't loving towards him?
Ron: You're sticking up for her?
Harry: Well, you know, "The enemy of my enemy" and all that.
> It's also possible the writer of HP books would probably
> do this,
Hermione: Her name is JK Rowling. Please tell me you know that.
Draco: And I can't see her "doing that".
> but it's impossible to know until the next books come out.
> But for sure it would be a bit of twist in the series,
Harry: No, it would be a plot which makes no sense based on anything in
the books.
> think about it. No one would ever guess that Draco and
> Hermione would be boyfriend and girlfriend.
Draco: That's because we won't be.
> Rememeber this is just food for thought. Harry potter books
> that is the fun of it, you never know what will happen next...
Ron: No, but at least most of the plot twists make a sort of sense, which
this doesn't.
> From Pawz.
> P.S. Please Re-read the Hp's book, if you are a 'true' HP fan.
Hermione: The lady writing this told me say: <clears throat and reads from
a scroll> "What the hell gives you the right to determine what a 'true
fan' is?"
Harry: Why do you get all the fourth wall stuff?
Hermione: <shrugs>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this :)
Draco: With fodder like this, how can we resist?
Catherine Johnson.
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Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
Weird Beard
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>
> And lets not forget there is NO PROOF that Draco is jealous of
> Hermione.
> Draco is rasist because HIS PARENTS are. Again like i said to you all
> before, he doesnt know any different
>
In COS Draco blames his academic results on the fact that everyone is
showing favortims to Hermione, then gets told off for getting whooped by a
muggle-born.
This makes him even more jealous to the point that, with untold numbers off
muggle-borns to chose from, he hopes Hermione is the next victim.
--
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mouth, particularly if the thing is cats." --Lemony Snicket
Darmok
tramping through a patch of marijuana and came up with this bit:
>Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
>*likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
>mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
>Lets face it, Hermione is cute. So is Draco (well i don't he is ugly).
>My guess is...he does like her. I think it impresses him that a mud
>blood is one of the best students in hogwarts (this also proves that
>he is/was NEVER jealous of Hermione!!! Haven't you noticed he only
>seems to pick on potter) and this proves his father is wrong about
>muggle born kids. Most people would said NO WAY but in this case it's
>possible. Fact is, no one understand Draco - the misunderstood
>character. Truth is, Draco HIDES his true feelings. Why? Because that
>is way his was raised . He doesn't know any different. This is all he
>knows. That is way his parents treat him. Child abuse. Think about
>it...
Okay, I'm thinking about it .... Nope ... still doesn't make any
sense. Mind passing me some of whatever you've been smoking?
"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."
Dragon Friend
ROFL.... Oh that was brilliant Catherine I love the way you liven up these
stupid boring posts where people haven't read the books ;-) Sorry I
couldn't face snipping it again it was just too good :-) Thank You.
Dragon Friend
ROFL.. She shoots and she scores yet again! Bloody Brilliant Catherine, well
done do you think Pawz will be back for more? i hope so I love these posts
of yours ;-)
KT
> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Lets face it, Hermione is cute.
>
> Draco: Ug.
> Harry: She's not bad.
> Hermione: <glaring at Harry> "Not bad"?
> Harry: Oh, crap...
> Draco: Uh-oh, someone better sleep with one eye open tonight.
> Harry: Are you kidding? I've been doing that since second year...
> Draco: <snorting laugh> I can honestly say don't I blame you.
>
> [heavy snippage - read the original one level up in all its glory! It's
> worth the trip.]
Catherine,
I don't post often, and I especially don't do "ya, what she said"s, and I
don't generally [self snip of further OT disclaimers and unneeded stuff]...
Anyways, I must say I was, literally, laughing out loud. Although I think
Pawz might have a point [I think he's wrong, a I pray he's wrong, but
still...], your rebuttal was over the top and half way up the next hill. I'm
tempted to encourage Pawz to post additional ludicrous ideas just in the hope
that you will give more such replies. It was both spot on and all around
delightful to read.
--
Thank you,
KT
Hmm... if Draco goes after Hermione, that might give Harry the push he needs to
realize/express his inner feelings for her... or perhaps just to repeat the
amazing bouncing ferret routine
Ken
"Pawz" wrote in message :
> Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
> *likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
> mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
Yes; I agree.
Ken
Tennant Stuart
<dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
>> sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired
> and at the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
You are too kind, sweetie. This is the guy who said Dumbledore would die
in OoTP because Richard Harris was dead. I don't think Pawz is for real.
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>> Why? Because that is way his was raised . He doesn't know any
>> different. This is all he knows. That is way his parents treat him.
>> Child abuse. Think about it...
>
>Yeah, well, maybe he's abused. But he's still a racist, snobbish git.
>
I do think that Draco has a hard time from his parents. Just think about how
rich kids are held in other books. Their parents are usually doing other
things and couldn't care less about spending quality time with their kid,
unless it gives them some image of being family oriented.
When I saw the deleted seen in COS about Lucius going into Burgin and Borkes, I
kind of felt sorry for Draco. Let me explain, Draco is looking at something,
Lucius comes in slamming his cane on a statue and saying " touch nothing", and
Draco looks up with a somewhat wounded expression on his face and says "Yes,
father." I know we cant go by the movie,....but the movie is supposed to give
us a little insight on future story lines.
Now I think that at home, Draco is nothing but an insignificant little mouse
that gets swatted around by his father ( dont take that literally, he is just
pushed around verbally), and at school, being out of earshot of his father,
overcompensates and says everything that comes into his head. The main reason
why he is angry with the trio is because his father rags on him for not being
on their same academic level.
I think, the only reason that Draco is mean and nasty is because of his father.
But when V. comes out and calls upon Lucius to do his bidding, Draco may be
away from him long enough to see that his father is a bad person and may join
up with Dumbledore.
At least, I hope that he does, because as the number of villians grow we need
to at least turn some to our side. Draco is also my favorite character and I
want to see him on the winning side with Harry.
Nina
Brent
where the trinity meet Malfoy in the woods at the World Cup. Draco actually
seems pretty insistent that Hermoine leave the area. I don't know that he
likes her but it does seem that he wants her out of that particular danger
for whatever reason. And for the love of God read the passage again before
textually abusing me
"Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Fish Eye no Miko
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> Actually this one occurred to me as well when I was reading the
> part in GoF where the trinity meet Malfoy in the woods at the
> World Cup. Draco actually seems pretty insistent that
> Hermoine leave the area.
Uh, no, he's not. He's taunting her.
> I don't know that he likes her but it does seem that he
> wants her out of that particular danger
Then why does he say:
"D'you want to be showing off your knickers in midair? Because if you do,
hang around... they're moving this way, and it would give us all a laugh."
Does that sound like he's concerned? Again, this sounds more like he's
taunting her.
> for whatever reason. And for the love of God read the
> passage again before textually abusing me
Ok, I did. Now can I textually abuse you?
Catherine Johnson.
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n4cat
>
No you may not!
/me hands Catherine a very large dictionary
/Now/ you may textually abuse him.
--
n4cat
"Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war"
Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act 3 Scene 1
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" wrote
> >
> > Ok, I did. Now can I textually abuse you?
>
> No you may not!
> /me hands Catherine a very large dictionary
Hmm... Not big enough. Got a copy of GoF?
^_^
> /Now/ you may textually abuse him.
Woo-hoo!
Catherine Johnson.
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*really* bad."
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Mark Harris
[snip]
>Think about it! - From Pawz
Why should we put more effort in than you have?
Have a lovely day
mark
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Mark Harris
wrote:
>On 12 May 2003 13:58:11 -0700, paw...@yahoo.com (Pawz) wrote:
>
>>
>>1'Fact is Draco likes to tease Hermione.
>
>It goes WAY past "teasing" all the way to insulting and harassing.
>
and wishing her dead (in CoS)
Pawz
> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>
> > Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
> > sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>
> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired and at
> the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
>
> Dragon Friend
Ok Dragon Friend listen up...
Saying that other people's ideas and thoughts are "VERY lame" in fact
is very RUDE. Respect other people's ideas. There is no reason to be
an childish azzhole.
And yes i did check out the FAQ and yes i did "think about it". I
looked the FAQ post page on this newgroup 'message board' and found
out it was around one year out of date.
(But don't worry i will be kind to you, just this once. Since i
believe you should treat people who are azzholes, not with anger or
hate but with kindess)
But as George Patton JR once said. 'Treat a skunk nicely, and maybe he
won't pizz on you'
P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy. I hope to hear more of your
funny replies and comments. It lightens up my day :)
Pawz
Ok i would just like to thank the people who agreed with me on some
issues about this.
For the people who still disagree, I very much respect your opinon.
Please remember you can have your own opinons but not your own
facts...
FACTS!
CoS SPOILER
5
4
3
2
1
Fact, we know that draco's dad was not treating Dobby the house elf
very well at all.
Fact, we know that in the 2nd movie CoS Draco's dad was beating the
crap out of poor little Dobby near the end of the movie, with his
cane. A sign of abuse...
Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go READ page 52 on
chapter 4.
It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades, not
doing too well.
And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
(again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
"I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard family
beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
(this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both abashed and
angry.
(my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione. he's impressed
with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam at hogwarts. he
has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
just my thought -from Pawz
Pawz
> Harry: Do these people *read* the books?
>
> > But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a mud-blood and
> > his dad would "freak out."
>
> Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I live to
> see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her screaming
> in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
> Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
> Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>
>
>
> "I'm looking for the man who shot my paw!" <laughs hysterically>
> Draco: Wow, Potter's lost it.
> Hermione: Maybe we should leave...
> Ron: Good idea.
>
> Catherine Johnson, who got the "paw" idea from a fanart by Tabby. Hehehe.
Well Catherine Johnson,
LOL!
I like your strange sense of humor but please there is no reason to be
rude. Making fun of people is rude, (as i told you so-called buddy
dragon friend eairler). REALITY CHECK PEOPLE - Draco, Ron, Harry,
Hermione are book/movie characters. They DO NOT exist. Besides which
how can you speak for 4 book/movie characters. Get a life...and
re-read hp books.
from Pawz.
P.S. It is also not clear what your/their statement(s) is against my
theory/idea. you people believe draco is 'bad' which i think isn't
realisit in this case. And it's very narrow-minded.
Well bring on the debate, kiddies. The proof and truth will soon be
revealed but until then i would like to hear your so called strong
arguements/statements againist this :)
Until then i wait for replies (not rude humor, it only makes me
laugh)...
from pawz
Pawz
>
> see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her screaming
> in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
> Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
> Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>
Gee, Johnson. IS this 'proof' that draco 'loves' hermione in his own
sick way???
Like i said he doesn't know what 'love' is. Because of the child abuse
from his father/family like i was 'trying' to explain to you all,
kindly.
This is serious problem with serial killers like Ted Bundy, etc...
Please don't give other HP's fan the wrong message...it's a children's
book/movie series after all.
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message news:<DXUva.18460$hd6.6206@fed1read05>...
>
> Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I live to
> see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her screaming
> in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
> Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
> Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>
Watch your words please...
From Pawz
Dragon Friend
news:na.d99ff94bf1...@argonet.co.uk
> In article <b9opn0$phd$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Dragon Friend"
> <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>
>>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
>>> sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>
>> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired
>> and at the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
>
> You are too kind, sweetie. This is the guy who said Dumbledore would
> die in OoTP because Richard Harris was dead. I don't think Pawz is
> for real.
>
Soren on him ;-)
Dragon Friend
> news:<vc0fe0k...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> "Pawz" wrote in message :
>>> Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
>>> *likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
>>> mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
>>
>> Yes; I agree.
>>
>> Ken
>
> Ok i would just like to thank the people who agreed with me on some
> issues about this.
>
> For the people who still disagree, I very much respect your opinon.
> Please remember you can have your own opinons but not your own
> facts...
>
> FACTS!
>
Please don't confuse the films with anything that is considered as being
correct, the books are the correct story not the films! Therefore your
theories are still lame and way off beam ;-) Follow your own advice and
read the books!
Dragon Friend
news:20030512211411...@mb-m26.aol.com
>>> Why? Because that is way his was raised . He doesn't know any
>>> different. This is all he knows. That is way his parents treat him.
>>> Child abuse. Think about it...
>>
>> Yeah, well, maybe he's abused. But he's still a racist, snobbish
>> git.
>>
>
> I do think that Draco has a hard time from his parents. Just think
> about how rich kids are held in other books. Their parents are
> usually doing other things and couldn't care less about spending
> quality time with their kid, unless it gives them some image of being
> family oriented.
>
> When I saw the deleted seen in COS about Lucius going into Burgin and
> Borkes, I kind of felt sorry for Draco. Let me explain, Draco is
> looking at something, Lucius comes in slamming his cane on a statue
> and saying " touch nothing", and Draco looks up with a somewhat
> wounded expression on his face and says "Yes, father." I know we
> cant go by the movie,....but the movie is supposed to give us a
> little insight on future story lines.
>
Stop it please! Will you people stop basing your theories on the films, JK
Rowling writes the books not the films. Now if you have seen the additional
scenes I suggest you go to the interviews where you will see that the way
Lucius treats Draco is simply Jason Isaacs' way of making Lucius look more
villainous and for trying to get people to feel sympathetic for Draco. It
has nothing to do with the books, it is simply based on his ideas, therefore
it is not canon. The only actors who have been given extra info by JKR into
their characters are Robbie Coltrane and Alan Rickman all the others wing it
from the info in the books and their own ideas as to what motivates that
character.
JK Rowling is not going to let the films influence her books as she knows
her characters and has already mapped out who they are and what they are
like, so please people stop basing theories on the films.
Dragon Friend
> "Brent" <bruceyp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9j_va.5168$Xr6.1...@news1.telusplanet.net...
>
>> Actually this one occurred to me as well when I was reading the
>> part in GoF where the trinity meet Malfoy in the woods at the
>> World Cup. Draco actually seems pretty insistent that
>> Hermoine leave the area.
>
> Uh, no, he's not. He's taunting her.
>
>> I don't know that he likes her but it does seem that he
>> wants her out of that particular danger
>
> Then why does he say:
> "D'you want to be showing off your knickers in midair? Because if
> you do, hang around... they're moving this way, and it would give us
> all a laugh." Does that sound like he's concerned? Again, this
> sounds more like he's taunting her.
>
>> for whatever reason. And for the love of God read the
>> passage again before textually abusing me
>
> Ok, I did. Now can I textually abuse you?
>
> Catherine Johnson.
You forgot to ask him to not top post Catherine ;-)
Pawz
them and i'll respect yours. Respect goes both ways. Got it?
One of my main point of views on this subject is -
It's clear to me, that it's just a matter time before Draco rebels
against his father/family... As sad as this reality seems, it happens
in real life all the time. Just a matter of time.
Only time will tell us...we will wait and see.
From Pawz.
Pawz
So please stop calling me a guy.
Thank you.
From Pawz
Dragon Friend
> them and i'll respect yours. Respect goes both ways. Got it?
If you are sop hot on respect then read the FAQ it gets posted every week
and Troels and co have created a website I gave you the link for it
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net>
>
> One of my main point of views on this subject is -
>
> It's clear to me, that it's just a matter time before Draco rebels
> against his father/family... As sad as this reality seems, it happens
> in real life all the time. Just a matter of time.
> Only time will tell us...we will wait and see.
>
> From Pawz.
Then do us all a favour read the books, and read the FAQ, I posted the link
for you on one of the answers to your pathetic theories. Also try actually
reading the group you will see Moxie posts the FAQ every week.
Dragon Friend
news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
> "Dragon Friend" <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<b9opn0$phd$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>>
>>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
>>> sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>>
>> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are
>> tired and at
>> the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
>>
>> Dragon Friend
>
> Ok Dragon Friend listen up...
> Saying that other people's ideas and thoughts are "VERY lame" in fact
> is very RUDE. Respect other people's ideas. There is no reason to be
> an childish azzhole.
You listen up, posting tired theories which have no bearing on the books and
not bothering to read the FAQ is considered RUDE. By the way for a 15 year
old I would assume you should know how to spell, perhaps you would like to
see your English teacher for extra lessons obviously your reading
comprehension needs work as well.
>
> And yes i did check out the FAQ and yes i did "think about it". I
> looked the FAQ post page on this newgroup 'message board' and found
> out it was around one year out of date.
No you didn't do either, the FAQ is posted here every week by Moxie and is
not out of date. By the way this is a newsgroup and not a message board, I
suggest you learn the difference :-)
>
> (But don't worry i will be kind to you, just this once. Since i
> believe you should treat people who are azzholes, not with anger or
> hate but with kindess)
We have treated you with kindness, both Catherine and I, others on the group
wanted to treat you like the troll you are. Modify your behaviour and you
may be elevated above the level of troll, but until you show the people of
this newsgroup that you can be bothered to make an effort to understan the
books and have read the FAQ don't expect them to treat with anything but the
contempt you have so far shown you deserve.
>
> But as George Patton JR once said. 'Treat a skunk nicely, and maybe he
> won't pizz on you'
Common problem where you are from is it that you can't tell the difference
between an 's' and a 'z'? Here is another saying for you "Never piss off a
Dragon as you tend to get crispy and you taste good with Ketchup"
>
> P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy. I hope to hear more of your
> funny replies and comments. It lightens up my day :)
By the way Pawz I am not a guy and I am considerably older than you, I am
glad my posts entertain you, it is a shame that your posts have entertained
nobody :-) You will find that most of us here have read the books many
times, and obviously we have understood much more than you have :-)
Dragon Friend
> news:<DXUva.18460$hd6.6206@fed1read05>...
>>
>> Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I
>> live to
>> see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her
>> screaming
>> in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
>> Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
>> Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>>
>
> Gee, Johnson. IS this 'proof' that draco 'loves' hermione in his own
> sick way???
No it is proof that he doesn't, now I see where you have a problem. You just
cannot understand what you are reading!
>
> Like i said he doesn't know what 'love' is. Because of the child abuse
> from his father/family like i was 'trying' to explain to you all,
> kindly.
You don't have to explain child abuse to us, there are several on the group
who know very well what it is and have actually experienced it, so I am sure
have a better understanding than you do in your obviously limited experience
of life.
>
> This is serious problem with serial killers like Ted Bundy, etc...
No they are just psychopaths not every abused child turns into a killer,
that statement just proves how little you know or understand.
>
> Please don't give other HP's fan the wrong message...it's a children's
> book/movie series after all.
Wrong again JK Rowling wrote the books for herself they are marketted as
childrens books. Unless of course you feel the writer is a child?
Researching things is not your strong point is it?
>
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
> news:<DXUva.18460$hd6.6206@fed1read05>...
>>
>> Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I
>> live to
>> see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her
>> screaming
>> in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
>> Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
>> Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>>
>
>
> Watch your words please...
Now that proves you have not read the books as 'bloody' is written in the
books and used by Ron as an exclamation. Also used in the film, but then
guessed you missed that as well :-)
Dragon Friend
Catherine's post was a whole lot more entertaining than your post. By the
way the only person being rude here is you. We have probably read the books
more than you and trust me we all have lives, go away and come back when you
are not behaving like a spolit brat crossed with a troll.
>
> P.S. It is also not clear what your/their statement(s) is against my
> theory/idea. you people believe draco is 'bad' which i think isn't
> realisit in this case. And it's very narrow-minded.
Your reading comprehension really needs work if you could not work that out,
could explain why you come up with stupid theories in the first place.
>
> Well bring on the debate, kiddies. The proof and truth will soon be
> revealed but until then i would like to hear your so called strong
> arguements/statements againist this :)
> Until then i wait for replies (not rude humor, it only makes me
> laugh)...
>
Why should we waste the time on you? You have obviously made no effort what
so ever to think through your theories, read the books or read the FAQ.
Personally from now on I am likely to just watch your posts and laugh at how
stupid and inane your theories are :-) In other words treat you like the
annoying little troll you are.
Markku Uttula
> Until then i wait for replies (not rude humor, it only makes me
> laugh)...
Maybe a different approach would be more suitable? A wand in nostril and
a hit on the head using your own club? I recall laughter is a weapon
against boggarts, not trolls (whom only need to point and grunt).
Catherine is showing much better how the characters (as realized so far
in the books) would react to your ideas. Granted, they are possible, but
there's nothing packing them up. Even Trelawney wouldn't go about
poredicting anything so inpropable :)
--
Markku Uttula
URL: http://www.disconova.com/utu/ "Are you hot? Or at least cute?"
MAIL: markku...@disconova.com "If not, are you at least easy?"
Markku Uttula
> Please don't give other HP's fan the wrong message...it's a children's
> book/movie series after all.
Movie series is for children, but god please, don't go saying the books
are made for children, since even JKR has said that they are not.
Bojan Bugarin
> I like your strange sense of humor but please there is no reason to be
> rude. Making fun of people is rude,
She was making fun of your theory.
> REALITY CHECK PEOPLE - Draco, Ron, Harry,
> Hermione are book/movie characters. They DO NOT exist. Besides which
> how can you speak for 4 book/movie characters.
It's called fanfiction. Never heard of it? Let me spell it out for
you: F-A-N-F-I-C-T-I-O-N.
> Get a life...and re-read hp books.
We have. Several times. Now will you?
--
Bojan Bugarin
Has the whole world gone crazy?
Nope. Just my screwy country.
Bojan Bugarin
> And yes i did check out the FAQ and yes i did "think about it". I
> looked the FAQ post page on this newgroup 'message board' and found
> out it was around one year out of date.
What do you mean? Moxie posted the FAQ yesterday and it says "Updated
April 10, 2003".
Now _please_ go and read everything on
http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/
> P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy.
She's a girl. But I don't think you'll find anything funny when Soren
takes over. >;-)
Dragon Friend
news:b9qjoj$16j$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
> Pawz wrote:
>> Please don't give other HP's fan the wrong message...it's a
>> children's book/movie series after all.
>
> Movie series is for children, but god please, don't go saying the
> books are made for children, since even JKR has said that they are
> not.
Exactly but it seems Pawz is nothing more than a troll, personally given her
badly thought through theories and he attacks on people who point out to her
that the theories are bad, I have her killfiled.
Dragon Friend [So glad she will not have to read anymore of Pawz inane
twitterings]
Dragon Friend
news:MPG.192afa21d...@news.cis.dfn.de
> I wonder what made Pawz <paw...@yahoo.com> write the following:
>
>
>
>> And yes i did check out the FAQ and yes i did "think about it". I
>> looked the FAQ post page on this newgroup 'message board' and found
>> out it was around one year out of date.
>
> What do you mean? Moxie posted the FAQ yesterday and it says "Updated
> April 10, 2003".
>
> Now _please_ go and read everything on
> http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/
>
>> P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy.
>
> She's a girl. But I don't think you'll find anything funny when Soren
> takes over. >;-)
This one would not be on the troll burger menu, this is one that would end
up a tiny pile of ash if Soren got hold of her ;-)
Dragon Friend
shellebelle
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
> All: <groan>
>
> > Hehe. Well personally i think you guys are funny.
>
> Harry: I wish the feeling were mutual.
>
> > First of all, never take children's book series "seriously"
>
> Hermione: Why not? Do you think we should take any books seriously? And
> if so, why exclude "children's books"?
>
> > besides which this is all just fun.
>
> Draco: No, it's a bunch of fanwanking based on nothing in the books.
> Ron: "Fan... wanking"?
> Harry: He's right, that's what it's called.
> Ron: O... kay...
>
> > Second of all, these are just theories, ideas and personally
> > opinons of mine.
>
> Hermione: Again with the misplaced adverbs. And, btw, "opinions" based
on
> no fact--or worse, based on error--are not valid.
>
> > I didn't say you HAD to agree with me on this.
>
> Draco: Good.
>
<respectful snippage of brilliance>
O great Merlin! You MSTed him! LOL! Thanks, this made me laugh...
shellebelle
Markku Uttula
>> Movie series is for children, but god please, don't go saying the
>> books are made for children, since even JKR has said that they are
>> not.
>
> Exactly but it seems Pawz is nothing more than a troll, personally
> given her badly thought through theories and he attacks on people who
> point out to her that the theories are bad, I have her killfiled.
Actually, I'm more inclined to thinking tghe flaws on Pawz's theories
are caused more by her young age (I think she said on some post being
15yo). I can still remember myself at that age; whenever someone older
came and told me something wasn't as I thought, I was even more
convinced of myself being correct. It appeared as if the older people
had a conspiracy against me (and later on I noticed that I had been at
least partially correct:)
Dragon Friend
> Dragon Friend wrote:
>>> Movie series is for children, but god please, don't go saying the
>>> books are made for children, since even JKR has said that they are
>>> not.
>>
>> Exactly but it seems Pawz is nothing more than a troll, personally
>> given her badly thought through theories and he attacks on people who
>> point out to her that the theories are bad, I have her killfiled.
>
> Actually, I'm more inclined to thinking tghe flaws on Pawz's theories
> are caused more by her young age (I think she said on some post being
> 15yo). I can still remember myself at that age; whenever someone older
> came and told me something wasn't as I thought, I was even more
> convinced of myself being correct. It appeared as if the older people
> had a conspiracy against me (and later on I noticed that I had been at
> least partially correct:)
Ah well there you go then, I was not like that as a kid ;-) even so I have
killfiled her as she really needs to learn how to talk to people and given
her responses she has no legitimate reason to call others rude when all she
has done is be rude with everyone who has not agreed with her badly thought
out and presented theories. So I will only see her if she bothers to put
forward theories that people actually see have merit and debate :-)
Dragon Friend
Scotty
some of the initial guesses are partially right... Draco does end up not
being as big of a jerk and is somewhat misunderstood. He DOES know what
love is though. Here's an exert to show some. I'm putting *'s to keep from
telling too much. And no, the word being replaced won't be the same length.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
"What do you think I mean!" spat Mr. Malfoy. "I’d rather have you be with a
****
than with... a ****! Aren’t there any wizarding family’s girls in your
class? Someone
more... like us."
"But..." said Draco, "I... I love ****, father," said Draco. This was too
much for Mr.
Malfoy. He slapped his son across the face, and pointed a finger at him.
Draco stood
perfectly still, as though he were used to this treatment.
"Now you listen to me, son," said Mr. Malfoy. "After all Lord Voldemort has
done for
us... for you... this is NOT a good way to pay him back! Dating a ****, my
god!
What is wrong with you!? I expect that you will not warn her... will you?
And by the
time the rooster crows tomorrow, I want her crying because you broke up
with her! Is
that understood?"
"Yes... father," said Draco, his head down. His father put his hand on his
shoulder.
"It’s for your own good," he said as he walked off to another corner of the
room.
Dragon Friend
news:Xns937A55C8498ABva...@204.127.199.17
If you are going to keep posting fake quotes for the 5th book you could at
least write them in JKR's style! I suggest you go away and read your fake
book 5 all to yourself, guess you got it from a reputable source such as
Kazaa... yeah right guess they had a laugh at you just like we are :-)
Given that you refuse to post scans of the actual pages you are obviously
just a childish troll trying hard to upset people.
Dragon Friend
Earwax
>Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
>*likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
>mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
>Lets face it, Hermione is cute. So is Draco (well i don't he is ugly).
>My guess is...he does like her. I think it impresses him that a mud
>blood is one of the best students in hogwarts (this also proves that
>he is/was NEVER jealous of Hermione!!! Haven't you noticed he only
>seems to pick on potter) and this proves his father is wrong about
>muggle born kids. Most people would said NO WAY but in this case it's
>possible. Fact is, no one understand Draco - the misunderstood
>character. Truth is, Draco HIDES his true feelings. Why? Because that
>is way his was raised . He doesn't know any different. This is all he
>knows. That is way his parents treat him. Child abuse. Think about
>it...
>
Where's you get this theory? From reading the fake book 5?
--
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not
looking good either.
Earwax
The movie gives a possible reason why Draco is the way he is, but that
does not make Draco any less of a hurtful bully. There are several
points in the book and at least one in the movie where Draco quotes
his father the way a hero-worshipping boy would, "father says..."
>Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go READ page 52 on
>chapter 4.
>
>It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades, not
>doing too well.
>
>And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
>favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
>(again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
>hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
>
>"I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard family
>beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
>
>(this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
>Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both abashed and
>angry.
>
>
>(my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione. he's impressed
>with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam at hogwarts. he
>has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
Yeah, he could be upset at his father, but there's no sign of any
"thing" but jealousy and resentment towards Hermione.
Rebecca Webb
Do you need a deadline? Would that help? May 31.
RW
--
If you can't take the heat, get out of the cauldron.
stark
In article <6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com>, Pawz wrote:
>> Yes; I agree.
>>
>> Ken
>
> Ok i would just like to thank the people who agreed with me on some
> issues about this.
You seem to have a spelling mistake. You spelled "person" with the ending
"-ople" instead of "-rson".
> For the people who still disagree, I very much respect your opinon.
> Please remember you can have your own opinons but not your own
> facts...
>
> FACTS!
Which, ironically, is what you are missing.
> CoS SPOILER
> 5
> 4
> 3
> 2
> 1
>
> Fact, we know that draco's dad was not treating Dobby the house elf
> very well at all.
We know that Vernon does not treat Harry very well at all. Does that mean
they are abusing Dudley also? I would guess the situations are probably
rather analagous. At the very least, how Lucius treats Dobby has no FACTual
bearing on how he treats Draco.
> Fact, we know that in the 2nd movie CoS Draco's dad was beating the
> crap out of poor little Dobby near the end of the movie, with his
> cane. A sign of abuse...
Again, Lucius treatment of Dobby does not prove anything about his treatment
of his son.
> Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go READ page 52 on
> chapter 4.
>
> It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades, not
> doing too well.
>
> And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
> favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
> (again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
> hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
Where does this idea come from? You've found nothing that even suggests
that Malfoy has anything other than loathing and resentment toward Hermione.
Sometimes, things are just what they seem. In the absence of any evidence
to suggest that things are different, only a person devoid of logic would
insist that a situation is the opposite of that which is clearly
perceivable.
We have just as much evidence to state that Dumbledore is evil, Filch is
Fudge in disguise, and that Harry is Voldemort's son.
...oh wait...
> "I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard family
> beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
>
> (this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
> Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both abashed and
> angry.
>
> (my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione. he's impressed
> with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam at hogwarts. he
> has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
Or perhaps he shares his fathers prejudices (<gasp> How improbable!) and is
angry that a 'filthy mudblood' did better than he did. Notice how he
refuses to say she's actually smarter than him, the reason is preferential
treatment. And it doesn't seem to matter whether his father is around or
not.
You're seeing things you want to see. Whatever might happen in the future,
Draco has shown nothing (feel free to debate this) that has ever resembled
kindness, caring, or even the possessive affection he receives from his
father toward Hermione.
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Rebecca Webb
web...@mrs.umn.edu (Rebecca Webb) wrote:
> Do you need a deadline?
Oh, wait, I have a better idea. "DETENTION!"
Dragon Friend
news:webbrl-1305...@educ2-c-rw.mrs.umn.edu
> In article <webbrl-1305...@educ2-c-rw.mrs.umn.edu>,
> web...@mrs.umn.edu (Rebecca Webb) wrote:
>
>
>> Do you need a deadline?
>
> Oh, wait, I have a better idea. "DETENTION!"
Better make that detention with Filch, I think Catherine is a fan of the
Potion Master and may enjoy a detention with him ;-) Unless you meant it as
a reward of course ;-)
Fish Eye no Miko
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> For the people who still disagree, I very much respect
> your opinon. Please remember you can have your
> own opinons but not your own facts...
> FACTS!
> Fact, we know that draco's dad was not treating Dobby
> the house elf very well at all.
> Fact, we know that in the 2nd movie CoS Draco's
> dad was beating the crap out of poor little Dobby near
> the end of the movie, with his cane. A sign of abuse...
Yes, but that's the movie. The books != the movies.
And there are plenty of people who are terrible to their servants but treat
their family like gold. So how Mr. Malfoy treats his house elf proves
NOTHING about how he treats his son.
So, this fact proves nothing whatsoever that's at all relevant to your
point.
> Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go
> READ page 52 on chapter 4.
People have different versions of the book. Which version do you have?
<yes, I know he quoted it, but that's not the point>
> It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades,
> not doing too well.
> And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
> favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
Yes... he's blaming his problem on someone else. Would he do that if he
LIKED that someone else?
> (again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
> hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
Why bring her up AT ALL, if he's "trying to hide his true feelings"?
> "I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard
> family beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
> (this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
> Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both
> abashed and angry.
>
> (my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione.
Why bring her up at all, then?
> he's impressed with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam
> at hogwarts.
How does this prove that?
> he has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
> just my thought -from Pawz
Fact:
CoS, Scholastic pb edition, Ch 12, pg 225:
"'..But I know one thing--last time the Chamber of Secrets was open, a
mudblood *died*. So I bet it's a matter of time before one of them's
killed this time... I hope it's Granger,' he said with a relish."
Now.. He's talking to "Crabbe" and "Goyle". Why would he tell THEM he
wants Hermione dead if he likes her? He's not talking to his dad. There's
no proof C&G report things Draco says to Mr. Malfoy. So...
Oh, and you still haven't addressed why he calls her a "mudblood", which is
a very loaded term in the Potterverse.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"Most of my joy comes from the fact that _Buffy_ is ending before it gets
*really* bad."
-Harley, Boy Meets Boy, http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com/
Fish Eye no Miko
news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Saying that other people's ideas and thoughts are "VERY lame" in fact
> is very RUDE. Respect other people's ideas.
All ideas are NOT created equal. Opinions CAN be wrong. Your opinions
have no basis in fact, and your ideas have no bearing aside from what you
*think* the books are saying, not what they actually *are* saying. I,
frankly, am treating your ideas and opinions with all the respect I feel
they deserve.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"Warning: This film depicts bare-footed hobbits in 'natural' settings."
-From Tucson Weekly's mini-review of _LotR: The Two Towers_.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
> > Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I live
to
> > see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her
screaming
> > in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
> > Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
> > Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>
> Well Catherine Johnson,
> LOL!
> I like your strange sense of humor but please there is no reason to be
> rude.
There are plenty of reasons to be rude, actually.
> Making fun of people is rude,
As I said in another post, I'm merely giving your iddas the respect they
deserve.
> (as i told you so-called buddy dragon friend eairler). REALITY
> CHECK PEOPLE - Draco, Ron, Harry, Hermione are book/movie
> characters. They DO NOT exist.
You're the one trying to get Draco and Hermione together, pal.
> Besides which how can you speak for 4 book/movie characters.
Well, I read the books, figure out their personalities, and write based on
that.
> Get a life...and re-read hp books.
Ok, stop that right now. Do you know what it looks like when you suggest
that people who disagree with you haven't read the books well enough? It
makes you look like an arrogant jerk. It really does.
> from Pawz.
> P.S. It is also not clear what your/their statement(s) is against my
> theory/idea.
Wow, what part of...
:: Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being. I live
to
:: see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image of her
screaming
...is unclear to you?
> you people believe draco is 'bad' which i think isn't realisit in this
case.
Prove he's not.
> And it's very narrow-minded.
No, it's not, it's based on the books.
> Well bring on the debate, kiddies.
It's hard to debate with someone like you, who tries to twist everything in
the books to his own views, instead of altering his views to fit the books.
> The proof and truth will soon be revealed
Prove it. From the books.
> but until then i would like to hear your so called strong
> arguements/statements againist this :) Until then i wait for
> replies (not rude humor, it only makes me laugh)...
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
Suspect: "Do you know how much one of those cost?"
Horatio Cain: "Yeah, half as much as two of them."
-_C.S.I.: Miami_.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>
> > Draco: No, I can honestly say I hate every fibre of her being.
> > I live to see her die, slowly and painfully. I smile at the image
> > of her screaming in agony. I'd love nothing more than-
> > Ron: All right, we get the bloody point!
> > Draco: I just wanted to be clear, is all.
>
> Gee, Johnson. IS this 'proof' that draco 'loves' hermione in
> his own sick way???
Jesus, you're slow.
> Like i said he doesn't know what 'love' is. Because of the
> child abuse from his father/family like i was 'trying' to explain to
> you all, kindly.
I understand you. But you're wrong. REGARDLESS of whether he's abused or
not, he's still a racist, snobby git.
Oh, and he insults and harasses Harry, too, moreso than Hermione (you've
actually made THAT point yourself)... Is he in love with him, as well?
> This is serious problem with serial killers like Ted Bundy, etc...
Ted Bundy was NOT "in love" with the women he killed.
> Please don't give other HP's fan the wrong message...it's a
> children's book/movie series after all.
You're the one saying Draco's a psychopath due to child abuse!
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"Well, I can certainly see why we're trying to keep them alive," said
Malfoy sarcastically. "Who wouldn't want pets that can burn, sting, and
bite all at once?"
-_Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire_.
Fish Eye no Miko
news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Another thing, i am not a guy. I'm a 15 girl...in case you were
wondering.
> So please stop calling me a guy.
> Thank you.
If I have referred to you as "he" or "him" in the past, I apologize. I get
that myself, and I know how annoying it is.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
John VanSickle
>
> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
>
>
> > (this also proves that he is/was NEVER jealous of Hermione!!!
>
> Knockturn Alley. Sounds like he's jealous to me.
> Draco: I am not, you stupid mudblood!
Hermione: Quod erat demonstrandum.
Regards,
John
Fish Eye no Miko
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> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
> > "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > (this also proves that he is/was NEVER jealous
> > > of Hermione!!!
> >
> > Hermione: Re-read the scene in CoS where Malfoy
> > and his dads are in Knockturn Alley.
His DADS? <ahem> I've suddenly given Lucius a boyfriend, apparently...
> > Sounds like he's jealous to me.
> > Draco: I am not, you stupid mudblood!
>
> Hermione: Quod erat demonstrandum.
Exactly. ^_^
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"When Catherine thinks you're too gay, you're too gay."
-Rob Fontenot, aka The Midnight Rambler, RATMM.
Pawz
> Well, I didn't read all of the stuff dealing with this(WAY too much). But
> some of the initial guesses are partially right... Draco does end up not
> being as big of a jerk and is somewhat misunderstood. He DOES know what
> love is though. Here's an exert to show some. I'm putting *'s to keep from
> telling too much. And no, the word being replaced won't be the same length.
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> than with... a ****! Aren?t there any wizarding family?s girls in your
> more... like us."
> "But..." said Draco, "I... I love ****, father," said Draco. This was too
> much for Mr.
> Malfoy. He slapped his son across the face, and pointed a finger at him.
> Draco stood
> perfectly still, as though he were used to this treatment.
> "Now you listen to me, son," said Mr. Malfoy. "After all Lord Voldemort has
> done for
> us... for you... this is NOT a good way to pay him back! Dating a ****, my
> god!
> What is wrong with you!? I expect that you will not warn her... will you?
> And by the
> time the rooster crows tomorrow, I want her crying because you broke up
> with her! Is
> that understood?"
> "Yes... father," said Draco, his head down. His father put his hand on his
> shoulder.
> room.
Hehehe...
I like this fan-fic a lot. It sort of gives you a 60 second insight in
the private life of the Malfoys, though this is not proof from any
book/movie series written by the writer JK Rowling. Maybe later she
will write about the private life of the Malfoys, in her spare time.
Who knows...I'd like to read it. Because I feel we only know one half
of the story, about the Malfoys.
(Expect maybe a nice fan-fic, that this person wrote) that supports my
theory.
Like i said, it's not proof from the writer, JK Rowling herself.
But it does show me, you agree with me on this issue - Draco the
mis-understood. I believe this character is greatly misunderstood. One
of the reasons, he's my favorite character. Besides which, it's a good
idea for a fan-fic. I would read it, in my spare time.
Keep up the good work.
From Pawz
Pawz
CoS Spoiler!
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Read it carefully please!
It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends but surely
he can't admit it. Instead he shows jealous, anger and hate. His
father pushes him. His father's attitude is 'We are the best because
we are pure bloods' But yet Granger is able to beat Draco in every
exam.
There is no proof Draco is jealous of Hermione. That is only to the
opinon of the reader/movie watcher.
(same page) Later he talking about how his father will not tell him
any more about the chamber of secrets. It's clear his father 'knows'
something he doesn't. His dad tells him, keep it quite if his son
knows too much it will look suspicious.
In fact his father is right but still this is a possible sign of
MISTRUST. (it depands what the opinon of the reader is, respect it
please)
This is a sign that his own father, does not trust his son to tell him
the everything, including the TRUTH. My point is (this is a clear sign
of mistrust)
Then later he says this: 'Last time chamber of secrets was open a
mudblood died. So I bet it's a matter of time before one of them's
killed....I hope it's Granger' He said with relish.
Gee, out of ALL the mudbloods in hogwarts, a pretty girl name Hermione
Granger is the first mudblood to pop up in his head. What about Colin
one of Harry's biggest fan, and other mudbloods? This is a possible
HINT how he feels about Hermione...in his own strange way.
My opinon, he does know anything else this is his possible way of
showing 'love' towards Granger.
Please I would like to see some kind of proof in the books (or movies)
that clearly shows Draco 'really hates Granger.' Because his hate,
might be his way of showing love.
Because it's possible that this is HIS idea of showing love. Why you
ask? Because he doesn't know any different. That is how his family
treats him, his father especially. Go to page 50 in CoS on chapter 4,
At Flourish and Blotts. 'Touch nothing, Draco.' Mr. Malfoy says.
It's still not clear however what in detail goes on in the Malfoy's
house when father and son are alone...but still i don't believe Draco
and his father are very close. But is draco very close to anyone at
all?
Usually what happens is the child rebels against the parent, only time
will tell us this as Draco gets older.
You know, people once thought Einstein's ideas and theories were lame,
stupid etc...turns out later he was RIGHT, he wins a Nobel Prize
and...he was a genius.
I am not saying i am right or wrong. But it's a possible hint. Thanks
for reading.
From Pawz
stark <at_n...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<b9qv0e$mk9co$1...@ID-146807.news.dfncis.de>...
> Its not like I can offend anyone else, so here goes:
>
> In article <6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com>, Pawz wrote:
> >> Yes; I agree.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >
> > (Pawz)Ok i would just like to thank the people who agreed with me on some
> > issues about this.
>
> You seem to have a spelling mistake. You spelled "person" with the ending
> "-ople" instead of "-rson".
>
> >(Pawz) For the people who still disagree, I very much respect your opinon.
> > Please remember you can have your own opinons but not your own
> > facts...
> >
> > (Pawz)FACTS!
>
> Which, ironically, is what you are missing.
>
> > CoS SPOILER
> > 5
> > 4
> > 3
> > 2
> > 1
> >
> > (Pawz)Fact, we know that draco's dad was not treating Dobby the house elf
> > very well at all.
>
> We know that Vernon does not treat Harry very well at all. Does that mean
> they are abusing Dudley also? I would guess the situations are probably
> rather analagous. At the very least, how Lucius treats Dobby has no FACTual
> bearing on how he treats Draco.
(Pawz) This is possible but still there's no proof against my theory.
Yes you can have your own opinons but Please WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS?
Show me something out of the books/movies)
>
> > (Pawz)Fact, we know that in the 2nd movie CoS Draco's dad was beating the
> > crap out of poor little Dobby near the end of the movie, with his
> > cane. A sign of abuse...
>
> Again, Lucius treatment of Dobby does not prove anything about his treatment
> of his son.
True, but still there is no proof that Lucius treats his son really
well. His idea of love is giving his son, money, gifts and buying him
things to make him happy.
It's still unknown what goes go in their household when they are
alone.
This happens a lot with rich families and in this case I show PROOF
that Dobby was being abused by Lucius and this is proof that Lucius
could be possibity abusive to his own son when family have their
disagreements. Remember it's not not fact that he does abuse his kid
but it's a good possible theory. It would explain why Draco is a such
a jerk. He has a lot of anger and hate and he can not show his father
his true feelings about things. Fear is also a big factor.
> > Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go READ page 52 on
> > chapter 4.
> >
> > It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades, not
> > doing too well.
> >
> > And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
> > favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
Again Draco says 'it's not my fault' So his father was starting to
blame him for something he didn't do. Possible sign of child abuse.
Then what Draco does and he starts to blame Hermione for his problems,
instead of blaming himself. Why? Because maybe his dad abuses him if
his grades are not perfect.
> > (again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
> > hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
Out of all the students in Hogwarts, he speaks about Hermione. A
pretty mudblood girl, who is the best student in hogwarts. It's
possible proof he is impressed with her and that he will later find
out his father is wrong about them.
> Where does this idea come from? You've found nothing that even suggests
> that Malfoy has anything other than loathing and resentment toward Hermione.
Like i was trying to tell you, it's possible he is hiding his
feelings.
> Sometimes, things are just what they seem. In the absence of any evidence
> to suggest that things are different, only a person devoid of logic would
> insist that a situation is the opposite of that which is clearly
> perceivable.
Sometimes things are NOT what they seem to be. Things are not always
black and white, good vs evil. The world does not work that way.
Things are always more complex and a storyline to them.
> We have just as much evidence to state that Dumbledore is evil, Filch is
> Fudge in disguise, and that Harry is Voldemort's son.
I clearly NEVER said anything about Dumbledore is evil, etc...it's not
clear where you are getting this idea from. I am not saying Draco is a
great guy or a bad guy, i am just saying he is clearly misunderstood
by the reader then more meets the eye. It's funny though that you
lable Draco as evil. Because really, i don't think he's the bad guy.
It's voldy who's the bad guy. Without him (Draco) at hogwarts, or some
sort of school bully the HP movies and books would be abit boring.
Draco spices things up.
> ...oh wait...
>
> > "I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard family
> > beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
> >
> > (this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
> > Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both abashed and
> > angry.
> >
> > (my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione. he's impressed
> > with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam at hogwarts. he
> > has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
>
> Or perhaps he shares his fathers prejudices (<gasp> How improbable!) and is
> angry that a 'filthy mudblood' did better than he did. Notice how he
> refuses to say she's actually smarter than him, the reason is preferential
> treatment. And it doesn't seem to matter whether his father is around or
> not.
First of all, most guys would not like to say a girl is smarter then
them.
> You're seeing things you want to see. Whatever might happen in the future,
> Draco has shown nothing (feel free to debate this) that has ever resembled
> kindness, caring, or even the possessive affection he receives from his
> father toward Hermione.
Yeah that's my whole point, he doesn't know any different. That is how
he was raised. But i guess for you, this subject is too complex for
your liking.
From Pawz
Pawz
Still don't believe me, eh? Look at this old post about Draco and
child abuse.
Go to the link. Read carefully. Some of these people agree with me
also. But i noticed this post was soon forgotten since it's over a
year old, which i found rather interesting.
Thanks.
From Pawz
Pawz
share with the group. Read carefully please...
Christopher Hortin <icicl...@earthlink.net> writes:
> Both of the above are excellent opposing perspectives on Draco, so
> much that I thought I would give this its own thread.
>
> Draco really presents a puzzle to me, even more in some ways than
> Snape. I've honestly been wondering just what motivates his
> malice. I believe that both perspectives quoted above can answer the
> questions surrounding Draco. His hatred is self-motivated, but
> exists mainly because of his father.
On thing I found remarkable in the JK Rowling's writing, is how often
I read some dialogue and think, I know these people. This is like
some group of people I know.
Draco the bully and his two large dumb friends is a situation one sees
a lot. The Draco's I've met have less educated parents and are
frequently beaten by their crude fathers.
Lucius Malfoy is a bit different. He is rich, educated, and well
thought of in the community.
> Here is an excerpt from CoS, that I think describes the relationship
> between Lucius and Malfoy the best. It's from the chapter "At
> Flouish and Blotts", page 52 in American hardback:
>
> >"I hope my son will amount to more than a thief or a plunderer,
> >Borgin," said Mr. Malfoy coldly, and Mr.Borgin said quickly, "No
> >offense, sir, no offense meant-"
I think Mr. Malfoy expects his son to be a more upper-class plunderer.
He wants Draco to be nicer to Harry. Childish bullying does not give
any advantage. Better to hide ones feelings until you can do
something significant. By hiding his feeling Mr. Malfoy stays out of
Azkaban.
But Draco can't control his feelings. His fathers control makes him
cold and unfeeling toward his son.
But I don't think Draco will split with his father. Its only a
weakness in his father that could make Draco feel superior enough to
break with him.
Of course morality is the weakness in his father which could cause the
break. Maybe Hogwarts will have a positive influence on him, but
Slithern is not the best house in which to find it.
I think only Dumbledore could help Draco by demonstrating
one can have power without being cold emotionally. He would have to
be put in a situation where he could see beyond Dumbledore's surface
sillyness.
Of course this is only my branch of pop-phycology. I know other
people will see something quite different. The reality is in the
behaviors and not their interpretation. My father was quite
different, which makes it hard for me to guess what Ms. Rowling has in
store for Draco.
Barry.
(My words)
I agree with Barry, 100 percent. But i believe Draco will rebel
against his father, when he's grown up. I could be wrong about that
though but still, this older post shows that Draco's father does seems
to have a control thing happening there. Mr. Malfoy only does it, to
save his own skin. The results of this are, Draco hides his true
feelings. But like i told you all before the rest is up to the
reader's opinon and guesses. My guess is that Draco will turn against
his own father when the right time comes...
From Pawz
Earwax
>
>Still don't believe me, eh? Look at this old post about Draco and
>child abuse.
>Go to the link. Read carefully. Some of these people agree with me
>also. But i noticed this post was soon forgotten since it's over a
>year old, which i found rather interesting.
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=9bqrbi%24h36%241%40saltmine.radix.net&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Ddraco%2Bgroup:alt.fan.harry-potter%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.fan.harry-potter%26selm%3D9bqrbi%2524h36%25241%2540saltmine.radix.net%26rnum%3D5
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They make a case for the idea that Draco might turn away from his
father and join the good guys in the future. Nothing there suggests
that Draco actually likes Hermione now.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
> Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends
> but surely he can't admit it.
How does him wanting to help the person petrifying the Muggle-borns mean he
likes Harry? Do you live in Bizzarro world or something? I'm sorry, but
I'm constantly astounded by your ability to take things and read them as
just the opposite of what they mean.
> Instead he shows jealous, anger and hate.
Or he really DOES hate them. Which, given what's in the books, is far more
plausible.
> His father pushes him. His father's attitude is 'We are the best because
> we are pure bloods' But yet Granger is able to beat Draco in every
> exam.
Yes. So...?
> There is no proof Draco is jealous of Hermione. That is only to the
> opinon of the reader/movie watcher.
> (same page) Later he talking about how his father will not tell him
> any more about the chamber of secrets. It's clear his father 'knows'
> something he doesn't. His dad tells him, keep it quite if his son
> knows too much it will look suspicious.
Exactly. His father knows that discretion is the better part of getting
away with stuff. ^_^
> In fact his father is right but still this is a possible sign of
> MISTRUST. (it depands what the opinon of the reader is,
> respect it please)
Maybe he knows his son well enough to know that he tends to blab and show
off, and that if he knew what was happening, he'd end up giving it away.
> This is a sign that his own father, does not trust his son to tell him
> the everything, including the TRUTH. My point is (this is a clear sign
> of mistrust)
Yes. But this is all irrelevant.
> Then later he says this: 'Last time chamber of secrets was open a
> mudblood died. So I bet it's a matter of time before one of them's
> killed....I hope it's Granger' He said with relish.
> Gee, out of ALL the mudbloods in hogwarts, a pretty girl name Hermione
> Granger is the first mudblood to pop up in his head.
Maybe cuz;
1) She's a main character, and coincidentally the best friend of the
people he's actually talking to.
2) She's better than him, and he wants to get rid of the competition
3) She's the Mudblood he probably knows best.
> What about Colin one of Harry's biggest fan,
Cuz he barely knows him? And he might not know he's a Muggle-born. Colin
told Harry about his folks, but I'm not sure there's any proof Malfoy knows
about Colin's parentage
> and other mudbloods?
> This is a possible HINT how he feels about Hermione...in his
> own strange way.
> My opinon, he does know anything else this is his possible way of
> showing 'love' towards Granger.
> Please I would like to see some kind of proof in the books (or movies)
> that clearly shows Draco 'really hates Granger.'
How can we do that when you turn him wanting her DEAD into some "proof" he
really likes her? NO proof will satisfy you, you'll just twist it into
some further sign of his love.
> Because his hate, might be his way of showing love.
See?? Even if her were to SAY "I hate her", you'd say, "Oh, he's just
hiding his true feelings."
Tell me, what would you say if he said he loved her? Would you think he
hated her?
Catherine Johnson.
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Earwax
>Go read CoS. Go to chapter 12 The Polyjuice Potion on page 223.
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>It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
>Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends but surely
>he can't admit it.
Nope. Draco says "I wish I knew who it is" - "it" meaning the heir of
Slytherin and "I could help them" meaning he could help the Heir of
Slytherin to kill mudbloods. Quite the opposite of your conclusion.
Dragon Friend
> On 13 May 2003 14:03:32 -0700, paw...@yahoo.com (Pawz) wrote:
>
>> Go read CoS. Go to chapter 12 The Polyjuice Potion on page 223.
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>> Read it carefully please!
>> It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
>> Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends but surely
>> he can't admit it.
>
> Nope. Draco says "I wish I knew who it is" - "it" meaning the heir of
> Slytherin and "I could help them" meaning he could help the Heir of
> Slytherin to kill mudbloods. Quite the opposite of your conclusion.
That just proves that Pawz is not good at reading and comprehending what is
actually written, and is therefore going to continue to base theories on
"facts" that are wrong,nothing anyone here says will change her mind... sad
but true.
Kish
> Go read CoS. Go to chapter 12 The Polyjuice Potion on page 223.
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> It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
> Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes
...the Heir of Slytherin, and anyone else who wants to kill off Hermione
Granger and all the other Muggle-borns.
Wait, that's not deep down. It's right on-the-surface in-your-face.
> Then later he says this: 'Last time chamber of secrets was open a
> mudblood died. So I bet it's a matter of time before one of them's
> killed....I hope it's Granger' He said with relish.
>
> Gee, out of ALL the mudbloods in hogwarts, a pretty girl name Hermione
> Granger is the first mudblood to pop up in his head.
...and the one he really wants to see die first.
> What about Colin
> one of Harry's biggest fan, and other mudbloods? This is a possible
> HINT how he feels about Hermione...
So far, so good.
> My opinon, he does know anything else this is his possible way of
> showing 'love' towards Granger.
And his far more likely way of showing HATEHATEHATEHATEHATE toward Granger.
> Please I would like to see some kind of proof in the books (or movies)
> that clearly shows Draco 'really hates Granger.' Because his hate,
> might be his way of showing love.
> Because it's possible that this is HIS idea of showing love. Why you
> ask? Because he doesn't know any different. That is how his family
> treats him, his father especially. Go to page 50 in CoS on chapter 4,
> At Flourish and Blotts. 'Touch nothing, Draco.' Mr. Malfoy says.
That doesn't actually strike me as unreasonable, much less cruel. It
even seems concerned. "Touch nothing--I don't want you to get your hand
bitten off." The movie version shows a certain interpretation of this,
and, yes, for much of the scene Lucius is quite cruel.
> (Pawz) This is possible but still there's no proof against my theory.
> Yes you can have your own opinons but Please WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS
Where are yours?
Your "facts" appear to consist of dragging up quotes that either are
irrelevant to your theory, or actively opposed to it, pointing and
saying, "Look, it supports my theory!"
No evidence against something is needed if there is no evidence for it.
> Out of all the students in Hogwarts, he speaks about Hermione.
Because she's Muggle-born and doing better than him. His father's
prejudices--and, as far as we ever see, /his/ prejudices--demand he
explain that with something other than, "She's smarter than me."
> It's
> possible proof
There's no such thing as "possible proof." It's an oxymoron.
>>We have just as much evidence to state that Dumbledore is evil,
Filch is
>>Fudge in disguise, and that Harry is Voldemort's son.
>
>
> I clearly NEVER said anything about Dumbledore is evil, etc...
But they're all possible. Just as possible as the things about which
you said, "It is possible."
> I am not saying Draco is a
> great guy or a bad guy, i am just saying he is clearly misunderstood
> by the reader then more meets the eye.
And that is by no means clear. Facts? Proof? Or will you back off
from, "He is clearly misunderstood" to, "It is possible that he is
clearly misunderstood"?
Tennant Stuart
<dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.d99ff94bf1...@argonet.co.uk
>> In article <b9opn0$phd$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Dragon Friend"
>> <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>>>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
>>>> sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>>> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired
>>> and at the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
>> You are too kind, sweetie. This is the guy who said Dumbledore would
>> die in OoTP because Richard Harris was dead. I don't think Pawz is
>> for real.
> I know but I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt before
> setting Soren on him ;-)
He now says that he is a 15 year-old girl. What do you think of that?
Tennant
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> Go read CoS. Go to chapter 12 The Polyjuice Potion on page 223.
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> Read it carefully please!
> It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
> Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends but surely
> he can't admit it.
You do have a problem with understanding what you read, don't you?
Draco is just saying that he would like to help the Slytherin heir to
get rid of all the mudboloods, and you insist on telling us that he,
by this very statement, shows that he likes Hermione. That's bizarre.
In future, don't top post and learn how to cut out the unnecessary quotes.
Pawel
Pawz
> > Look theses are not questions or answers. Just my theories, respect
> > them and i'll respect yours. Respect goes both ways. Got it?
>
> If you are sop hot on respect then read the FAQ it gets posted every week
> and Troels and co have created a website I gave you the link for it
> <http://www.hogwarts-library.net>
> >
> > One of my main point of views on this subject is -
> >
> > It's clear to me, that it's just a matter time before Draco rebels
> > against his father/family... As sad as this reality seems, it happens
> > in real life all the time. Just a matter of time.
> > Only time will tell us...we will wait and see.
> >
> > From Pawz.
>
> Then do us all a favour read the books, and read the FAQ, I posted the link
> for you on one of the answers to your pathetic theories. Also try actually
> reading the group you will see Moxie posts the FAQ every week.
>
> Dragon Friend
Hi!
For your infomation, i have read and re-read the books and watched the
movies, probably as much (or more) as/then you have. I have been a
Hp's book fan for many years.
What gives you the right to say people's theories are pathetic? Have
you thought up any theories, ideas yourself lately? The least you
could do is say something kind of like 'Sorry, but i disagree with
your theory, because' and type whatever you want and the explain the
reason WHY you disagree and be polite. And point out why you think
this and what proves your disagreement against this theory, (like
something from the books or even the movies, count also)
You can have your own opinons but please, you can't have your own
facts. At least i have some proof towards my theory which in this case
would support it. But, that is only the opinon of the readers.
It doesn't hurt to be polite, you know.
Instead, you have no respect for people's theories. And with this,
people will not respect you. Like i told you kindly, respect goes both
ways. I very much hope you have leart a lesson from this....
By the way, I am very sorry i called you (Dragon friend, Johnson,
other people) azzholes, etc. But remember, it's very rude to say
people's ideas are 'VERY lame' and make fun of them for no reason at
all.
And then you DO NOT explain why you disagree with me on this issue.
Please point out, what your disagreement is in FULL detail, with
PROOF. Not rude remarks...
But instead you (Dragon Friend) sent me a link to a FAQ page.
Lets be clear about this. This is a THEORY. My opinon, the least you
could do is respect it. I did not say it's a answer or a question.
There are no answers to my theory until we read the books, (i hope
come out as soon as possible) Book 5, Book 6 and Book 7. Until these
books come out, we ALL are left cluess and to guess. Especially with
this theory...
But, hey yeah. That's the fun of it, creating and thinking about
possible theories.
Opinons are not FACTS, just thoughts. I was just trying to explain to
the news group, why i believe this theory is very much possible...
(Draco is misunderstand and he's been abuse. And his father controls
him. And he can't show his true feelings. why? because his father
controls him. It's still NOT clear what the private life of the
Malfoys are, behind closed doors. It's POSSIBLE Draco is in 'love'
with Granger, in his strange idea. But like i told you, we are left to
guess and create possible theories. Or we don't think anything of it
and believe Draco will never change.)
Opinons are sometimes wrong, sometimes right. It depands, we will
never know until we read the books (5, 6, 7) and find out for
ourselves. Until then, for the people who are against my theory, you
have no proof yourselves. It's all just 'crazy lame ideas and guess
work'. So, whats wrong with that?
Again, i am sorry for the misunderstanding...
I wish you would at least respect my theory, and say 'sorry'. Be
polite. I said i was sorry, in any case. If you don't say sorry, ok
fine. I have no problem with this.
But in any case... Thanks for reading.
From Pawz.
P.S.
The reason i put the z's in azzhole, instead of 's' is because i
really hate cuss words. I thought maybe Google would not allow cuss
words on it's newgroups and possibity not post it. I hope you
understand...
Dragon Friend
> In article <b9qe28$90e$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Dragon Friend"
> <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:na.d99ff94bf1...@argonet.co.uk
>
>>> In article <b9opn0$phd$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Dragon Friend"
>>> <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> "Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com
>
>>>>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make
>>>>> more sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>
>>>> Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are
>>>> tired and at the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
>
>>> You are too kind, sweetie. This is the guy who said Dumbledore would
>>> die in OoTP because Richard Harris was dead. I don't think Pawz is
>>> for real.
>
>> I know but I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt before
>> setting Soren on him ;-)
>
> He now says that he is a 15 year-old girl. What do you think of that?
>
reading! All of her 'facts' that she keeps shouting at us to read from what
I can see of them as she is now killfiled prove that her theories are wrong,
yet when people point it out to her they are rude and 'azzholes', yeah
right, the only one I can see being rude and an 'azzhole' is Pawz.
Pawz
> On 13 May 2003 14:09:12 -0700, paw...@yahoo.com (Pawz) wrote:
>
> >
> >Still don't believe me, eh? Look at this old post about Draco and
> >child abuse.
> >Go to the link. Read carefully. Some of these people agree with me
> >also. But i noticed this post was soon forgotten since it's over a
> >year old, which i found rather interesting.
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=9bqrbi%24h36%241%40saltmine.radix.net&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Ddraco%2Bgroup:alt.fan.harry-potter%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.fan.harry-potter%26selm%3D9bqrbi%2524h36%25241%2540saltmine.radix.net%26rnum%3D5
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>
> They make a case for the idea that Draco might turn away from his
> father and join the good guys in the future. Nothing there suggests
> that Draco actually likes Hermione now.
It's possible but still, this is possible proof Draco hides his true
feelings but only to his father's advange to avoid getting in serious
trouble with the Ministy of magic, jail, etc. In this, Mr. Malfoy gets
away with it because his son keeps his mouth shut.
In results of this it's a possible sign that Mr. Malfoy clearly
mistrusts his own son, Draco Malfoy. And possibity abuses him.
Which in this case would cause Draco later when he is older and sees
what his father has done to him, he will rebel (besides can you
envision, Draco Malfoy taking orders from Lord Voldy and the Death
eaters? He doesn't like being pushed around. His father pushes him
around all the time. Who knows, what goes on behind closed doors when
father and son are alone.
Ok so, lets say he does rebel, which is common with most children who
been abused...
What would be a good 'weapon' to get back at his father? Marry a
mudblood, like Granger. Besides which she's cute. The first mudblood
that pops up in his head when he thinks of them. Gee, so it happens to
be a cute girl named Hermione...interesting how this is hinted in the
books and movies.
Just think, Mr. Malfoy's ONLY son/child marrying a mudblood girl. He
would be outraged with anger!
And Draco becomes a 'good guy' and maybe he would be part of the
Dumbledore's gang against lord voldy and his death eaters. Maybe he
will do like what Professer Snape did/does and become Dumbledore's
secret spy on Voldy and his gang. Besides which, NO ONE would ever
guess in a million years that Draco would later become a secret spy
for Dumbledore.
Gee, this would be interesting to read and more thrilling, dangerous
in the Hp's book series then ever...
Or at least make a great fan-fic. I'd read it.
But like i said that's only a theory...respect it. Be polite. Thanks
From Pawz
Mark Harris
<fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>"Pawz" <paw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Besides which how can you speak for 4 book/movie characters.
>
>Well, I read the books, figure out their personalities, and write based on
>that.
>
And damn well too!
Take a bow, Catherine, I thought those posts could have been written
by JKR
Oh, wait, that could mean that you - um...
<grovelling>
cheers (I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy)
mark
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<dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>That just proves that Pawz is not good at reading and comprehending what is
>actually written, and is therefore going to continue to base theories on
>"facts" that are wrong,nothing anyone here says will change her mind... sad
>but true.
>
It may be that English is not her first language - that would go a
long way to explaining her difficulties with comprehension.
Or perhaps she identifies with Hermione as a character, but as a
person she lusts after the character of Draco (some girles like bad
boys) and so is projecting her feelings toward Draco, so that anything
he says or does can be interpreted as a hopeful sign.
Well, it makes as much sense as any of her self-admitted
pop-psychology ;-)
But I suspect you're right in one thing, she won't listen and has yet
to understand that respect needs to be earned.
(By the way, it's bad form to gloat about kill-filing someone. Like
picking your toenails, it's a thing best done alone. And in the dark)
cheers
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richard e white
> "Markku Uttula" <markku...@disconova.com> wrote in message
> news:b9qpmr$9su$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
> > Dragon Friend wrote:
> >>> Movie series is for children, but god please, don't go saying the
> >>> books are made for children, since even JKR has said that they are
> >>> not.
> >>
> >> Exactly but it seems Pawz is nothing more than a troll, personally
> >> given her badly thought through theories and he attacks on people who
> >> point out to her that the theories are bad, I have her killfiled.
> >
> > Actually, I'm more inclined to thinking tghe flaws on Pawz's theories
> > are caused more by her young age (I think she said on some post being
> > 15yo). I can still remember myself at that age; whenever someone older
> > came and told me something wasn't as I thought, I was even more
> > convinced of myself being correct. It appeared as if the older people
> > had a conspiracy against me (and later on I noticed that I had been at
> > least partially correct:)
>
> Ah well there you go then, I was not like that as a kid ;-) even so I have
> killfiled her as she really needs to learn how to talk to people and given
> her responses she has no legitimate reason to call others rude when all she
> has done is be rude with everyone who has not agreed with her badly thought
> out and presented theories. So I will only see her if she bothers to put
> forward theories that people actually see have merit and debate :-)
>
> Dragon Friend
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I think it is a case of what my old prof called cristalize love. Witch is when
a person falls for an idea of what some thing is rather then the real thing.
It often happens at that age. the problum is that there is no way to talk the
person around no matter how many facts are shown to them. it is also the
reason so many people get a devorce with in 12 weeks.
As to Dracco he wants to be the center of attion and wants fame. He is
also a snob and feels that he should get all of this because who he was born
as. The only way I see him going to Dum's side is when he see how V treats all
his fallowers. But even if he is on the same side he will never be a friend.
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Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Dragon Friend
news:3ec1d979...@news.paradise.net.nz
> On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:45:23 +0100, "Dragon Friend"
> <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That just proves that Pawz is not good at reading and comprehending
>> what is actually written, and is therefore going to continue to base
>> theories on "facts" that are wrong,nothing anyone here says will
>> change her mind... sad but true.
>>
> It may be that English is not her first language - that would go a
> long way to explaining her difficulties with comprehension.
Given her general language in her posts she is a native speaker, just not
good at reading and understanding what she is reading.
>
> Or perhaps she identifies with Hermione as a character, but as a
> person she lusts after the character of Draco (some girles like bad
> boys) and so is projecting her feelings toward Draco, so that anything
> he says or does can be interpreted as a hopeful sign.
>
> Well, it makes as much sense as any of her self-admitted
> pop-psychology ;-)
You are right there, it certainly makes as much sense as her pop-psychology,
I particularly like the way she spouts about child abuse like she is an
authority on the subject...
>
> But I suspect you're right in one thing, she won't listen and has yet
> to understand that respect needs to be earned.
Exactly, typical petulant child who will continue to stamp her feet and sulk
until she finds someone who will agree with her, sad thing is it will
probably just be an insincere pat on the head just to get her to keep quiet.
>
> (By the way, it's bad form to gloat about kill-filing someone. Like
> picking your toenails, it's a thing best done alone. And in the dark)
>
Didn't gloat, stated a fact and those who have been on this group for a long
time know it takes a lot to make me killfile someone as I tend to have a
fair amount of patience, unfortunately, PAwz, JAB and MMD have exhausted it
all in one go although I must admit I have tolerated JAB an awful long time,
just I have less tolerance for petulant foot stamping approach Pawz and MMD
use.
May I add to that eeeeeeewwwwwwww do you really pick your toenails Mark?
That is a disgusting habit....... but each to their own ;-)
richard e white
> "Ken" <ne...@kenwiggins.com> wrote in message news:<vc0fe0k...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > "Pawz" wrote in message :
> > > Another thing i forgot to say, it's also possible that Draco really
> > > *likes* Hermione. But he doesn't want to admit it because she's a
> > > mud-blood and his dad would "freak out."
> >
> > Yes; I agree.
> >
> > Ken
>
> Ok i would just like to thank the people who agreed with me on some
> issues about this.
>
> For the people who still disagree, I very much respect your opinon.
> Please remember you can have your own opinons but not your own
> facts...
>
> FACTS!
>
> CoS SPOILER
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> 4
> 3
> 2
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>
> Fact, we know that draco's dad was not treating Dobby the house elf
> very well at all.
>
> Fact, we know that in the 2nd movie CoS Draco's dad was beating the
> crap out of poor little Dobby near the end of the movie, with his
> cane. A sign of abuse...
>
> Fact, Please Re-READ CoS 2nd Harry potter book. Go READ page 52 on
> chapter 4.
>
> It clearly says Mr. Malfoy was discussing about Draco's grades, not
> doing too well.
>
> And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
> favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
> (again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
> hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
>
> "I would have thought you'd be ashamed that a girl of no wizard family
> beat you in every exam" snapped Mr. Malfoy.
>
> (this is only the point of view of harry & the writer --->)"Ha!" said
> Harry under his breath, pleased to see Draco looking both abashed and
> angry.
>
> (my opinon - draco was mad at his father NOT hermione. he's impressed
> with hermione a 'mudblood' beated him in every exam at hogwarts. he
> has a 'thing for her but he doesn't know what love is')
>
> just my thought -from Pawz
No Dracco is mad that his dad wount take his excuse for why he is not the top student. He
was trying to say that the only reason that hermione was the top student was that she was a
teachers pet, and pop did not buy it.
Paweł F. Góra
>For your infomation, i have read and re-read the books and watched the
>movies, probably as much (or more) as/then you have.
The movies don't count. They are a derived work, based on canon, but
do not belong to canon. And, honestly, I doubt very much that you have
read the books as many times as the regulars here.
>What gives you the right to say people's theories are pathetic? Have
>you thought up any theories, ideas yourself lately?
Oh, yes, the regulars here have. And they consider impolite the fact
that you didn't bother to consult the FAQ or the group archives for what
theories have been recently proposed, discussed, refuted and/or partially
accepted before posting your own.
You do have a point, though, in observing that some of the regulars
are not very polite towards newbies and their theories. I don't count
as a regular in a.f.h-p, I'm only in a delurking phase, but I've been on
Usenet long enough to learn how people behave. Consider this:
There is a very popular group, its participation varies, but there is
a "hard core" group of people (the regulars) who read and post to
the group for months or years for that matter. These people have read and
discussed all sorts of questions, some of which have appeared so frequently
that the regulars decided to set up a FAQ. And here comes a newbie who
has just discovered the group, starts with a fairly nonsensical proposition
(Dumbledore the character is going to die because Richard Harris the
actor has died - there is really no connection whatsoever) and then asks
a question or proposes a theory that is covered in the FAQ. Yes, the regulars
should be more patient and politely point the newbie to the FAQ or the
group archives where this theory has been discussed and refuted.
Or the regulars should quietly ignore the umpteenth instance of this theory.
But the regulars have seen it soooo many times that they are not
that polite and start being sarcastic. Shame on them. But this, incidentally,
does not help the theory in question.
And when the newbie starts calling her opponents "azzholes", keeps repeating
the theory with a blatant disregard for evidence to the contrary based on
canon and shows that she possibly does not quite understand what she reads,
her situation only worsens. No protestations and calls for a respect for your
theory are going to help you at this point, I'm afraid. Just let the matter
calm down, take part in discussion in other threads and try to understand
what other people are saying. Or if you feel particularly attached to your
theory, try finding a better evidence based on books (not movies,
not fanfiction, not what other people say) to support it.
>And point out why you think
>this and what proves your disagreement against this theory
But they did, din't they?
<snip>
>(Draco is misunderstand and he's been abuse.
I agree that Draco is emotionally neglected by his parents and
like I wrote a couple of days ago, he has very little empathy, does
not understand what other people feel and possibly does not
understand what love, true friendship and loyalty are. This lack of
empathy is of course a result of the upbringing he received. He feels
superior to other people, despises other people and cannot stand
the fact that anybody who belongs to a lower "social" class
is better than him. The same probably goes for his father.
There is no evidence, though, that Draco has been physically
abused by his parents (this _is_ possible, though). And I cannot grasp what
is that I and some other people do not understand about Draco.
>It's POSSIBLE Draco is in 'love'
>with Granger, in his strange idea.
Well, of course anything that is not outright contradicted by the cannon
is, technically, possible, but I find the idea of Draco having any good
feelings towards Hermione very unlikely. I guess I can understand your
point that Draco is unable, for whatever reason, to express his "true"
feelings, and since young boys do tease girls they like, call them names
and stuff, you interpret Draco's behavior as a twisted expression of love.
OK, but this is a very, very twisted interpretation. Ever heard of Ockham
razor? There is a much simpler and consistent with what we otherwise know
about Draco interpretation: that he actually despises and hates Hermione. He
keeps insulting her through all four books and explicitly wishes her death on
at least two occasions - in CoS and in GoF. I suggest that you read the last
chapter of GoF, the train scene - what was that Draco was saying just before
he got hexed by Harry and the others? It's not teasing or calling names. It
is pure, physical hatred.
And yes, it is also possible that in future books Draco will repent and
develop some positive feelings towards Hermione, but I find it also
very unlikely. As far as Books 1-4 go, I can see no evidence supporting
Draco being in love with Hermione theory, and I can see a lot of
evidence to the contrary. Mind you, if you like the idea of Draco and
Hermione eventually falling for each other, there is a lot of fanfiction
exploiting the idea at length. (See? This idea is not very original and HAS
been discussed ad nauseam.) Go and read it, or write your own, but if
you want to insist that this has been even remotely hinted in the books,
show us any evidence.
--
Paweł Góra
A physical entity does not do what it does because it is what it is,
but is what it is because it does what it does.
richard e white
No one calls her pretty until book 4 and then no one thinks it is right untill the dance.
Dracco laphs at her when ever she has problums and is rude all the time.
> Granger is the first mudblood to pop up in his head. What about Colin
> one of Harry's biggest fan, and other mudbloods? This is a possible
> HINT how he feels about Hermione...in his own strange way.
> Yes he wanted her dead.
>
> My opinon, he does know anything else this is his possible way of
> showing 'love' towards Granger.
>
He show a better time to his date in book 4. At least he was not saying that he wanted her
dead.
>
> Please I would like to see some kind of proof in the books (or movies)
> that clearly shows Draco 'really hates Granger.' Because his hate,
> might be his way of showing love.
> Because it's possible that this is HIS idea of showing love. Why you
> ask? Because he doesn't know any different. That is how his family
> treats him, his father especially. Go to page 50 in CoS on chapter 4,
> At Flourish and Blotts. 'Touch nothing, Draco.' Mr. Malfoy says.
> No he does ok with the pug and his mom.
and it is in the books.
>
> It's still not clear however what in detail goes on in the Malfoy's
> house when father and son are alone...but still i don't believe Draco
> and his father are very close. But is draco very close to anyone at
> all?
Yes his mom for love is the only reason that he would have reacted the way he did in the ferret
scean.
And maybe the pug girl.
>
>
> Usually what happens is the child rebels against the parent, only time
> will tell us this as Draco gets older.
That is not the only responce it just so happens that is the one that is the most know due to
TV's take on it. Come to think of it the TV also like to use the idea that kides like Dracco like
to pick on the one girl they love.
>
>
> You know, people once thought Einstein's ideas and theories were lame,
> stupid etc...turns out later he was RIGHT, he wins a Nobel Prize
> and...he was a genius.
> And still latter we find out that he got maney parts wrong. He was just the person that got the
> next part right. Witch is of no big deal as his info was flawed so his anser is flawed. we each
> bild on what has gone before.
for the people that want to talk about this pleas have higher learning as they don't talk about
this part until well past high school.
> > >
>
> First of all, most guys would not like to say a girl is smarter then
> them.
> It depends on the person. Guys and girls do that.
Dragon Friend
news:gn34cv4f2ftt9hv8g...@4ax.com
<Snipped>
Sorry Paweł but several of us did politely point her to the FAQ, personally
I also gave her the link and politely pointed out that I thought her theory
was wrong, she continued to post the theory then claimed the FAQ was a year
out of date etc... With some people politeness just does not work and sorry
but Pawz was very impolite and obviously did not use the FAQ links given to
her or read the FAQ that Moxie posted earlier this week. Her foot stamping
insistence that she is right and everyone else is wrong has not helped her
case at all.
Earwax
>Lets be clear about this. This is a THEORY. My opinon, the least you
>could do is respect it. I did not say it's a answer or a question.
>
While we should all be polite to each other and respect each other as
individuals, to ask for respect for a theory is something a little
different. I don't feel that I need to respect bad theories, but
that's not to say that I don't still respect he person who posted it
and might still consider anything else they posted. But a bad theory,
that can be demonstrated to be false should be shot down.
> It's POSSIBLE Draco is in 'love'
>with Granger, in his strange idea.
No, it's not possible. He hates her and wishes her dead. We've given
you ample examples of his behavior demonstrating this.
Anything could happen in the future, but throughout the first 4 books
Draco hates Hermione.
stark
> Go read CoS. Go to chapter 12 The Polyjuice Potion on page 223.
>
> CoS Spoiler!
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> 7
> 6
> 5
> 4
> 3
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> Read it carefully please!
> It clearly says, 'I wish i knew who it is, I could help them.'Said
> Draco Malfoy. So deep down, he likes Harry and his friends but surely
> he can't admit it.
Ahh. And he shows his "like" toward them by wishing that he could help the
Heir of Slytherin kill all the mudbloods, including Granger.
A very devious plan.
I hope that I'm never liked by anyone like Malfoy.
> This is a sign that his own father, does not trust his son to tell him
> the everything, including the TRUTH. My point is (this is a clear sign
> of mistrust)
Why would you expect his father to tell his *12 year old son* everything
about his plans to restore a Dark Lord to power? It seems like a stupid
risk to take, since children are seldom able to fully comprehend the
situation.
> Then later he says this: 'Last time chamber of secrets was open a
> mudblood died. So I bet it's a matter of time before one of them's
> killed....I hope it's Granger' He said with relish.
Wow. Sounds like "love" to me.
> Gee, out of ALL the mudbloods in hogwarts, a pretty girl name Hermione
> Granger is the first mudblood to pop up in his head. What about Colin
> one of Harry's biggest fan, and other mudbloods? This is a possible
> HINT how he feels about Hermione...in his own strange way.
Hmm. Maybe he picks Hermione because out of all the school, the people he
most hates are Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, and Hermione Granger. Seeing as
both Harry and Ron are both "purebloods", Hermione is the first on the list.
He doesn't really have that much experience with Colin yet, and even he
could see that Harry doesn't really have a strong friendship with him.
Your opinions are clouding your logic.
> My opinon, he does know anything else this is his possible way of
> showing 'love' towards Granger.
>
> Please I would like to see some kind of proof in the books (or movies)
> that clearly shows Draco 'really hates Granger.' Because his hate,
> might be his way of showing love.
Oh, I see.
You tell us to find proof that he hates Hermione, but any instances of him
displaying hatred toward her are really just his way of showing his 'love'.
You've created a system where there is no possible way for you to fail. You
see all interaction between Draco and Hermione, whether positive or negative
to be a sign of "love".
You've created a fantasy-land on a mountain of unsupported assumptions,
which is completely unassailable.
Have you even considered the fact that its much simpler to see Dracos
loathing hatred toward Hermione as...<gasp>...loathing hatred? Sometimes,
things are just what they seem.
> Because it's possible that this is HIS idea of showing love. Why you
> ask? Because he doesn't know any different. That is how his family
> treats him, his father especially.
Ah. And here are the references to the "proveably possible" abuse.
> Go to page 50 in CoS on chapter 4,
> At Flourish and Blotts. 'Touch nothing, Draco.' Mr. Malfoy says.
Sounds like a stern parent of a spoiled child to me.
> It's still not clear however what in detail goes on in the Malfoy's
> house when father and son are alone...but still i don't believe Draco
> and his father are very close. But is draco very close to anyone at
> all?
Probably not. What makes you think that this is different with Hermione?
> Usually what happens is the child rebels against the parent, only time
> will tell us this as Draco gets older.
Usually, the child turns out just like the parent. We only take notice when
they do not.
>> We know that Vernon does not treat Harry very well at all. Does that mean
>> they are abusing Dudley also? I would guess the situations are probably
>> rather analagous. At the very least, how Lucius treats Dobby has no FACTual
>> bearing on how he treats Draco.
>
> (Pawz) This is possible but still there's no proof against my theory.
> Yes you can have your own opinons but Please WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS?
> Show me something out of the books/movies)
There is also no proof *for* your theory. In the real world, when we have a
theory, we have some evidence to back it up, and hopefully a lack of
evidence that shows it to be false.
You have neither.
I hypothesize that its not Draco's father that abuses him, but his older
brother, Mephiston, who after beating Draco repeatedly for years, was
disowned by Lucius when he married a muggle woman, who has a slight
resemblance to Hermione. That is why Draco hates Hermione. You have no
proof that my "theory" is not correct, do you? I want FACTS. If you can
prove that my "theory" is not correct, then I'll give yours a second chance.
>> Again, Lucius treatment of Dobby does not prove anything about his treatment
>> of his son.
>
> True, but still there is no proof that Lucius treats his son really
> well. His idea of love is giving his son, money, gifts and buying him
> things to make him happy.
There is no proof that he does not treat Draco well. All you have to go on
is some stern remarks from a father who expects a lot of his 12 year old
child.
> It's still unknown what goes go in their household when they are
> alone.
Ah yes. Proof by Mystery.
The Ravenclaws are actually learning the Dark Arts because we dont know
what goes on in Herbology when the Gryffindors aren't there.
> This happens a lot with rich families and in this case I show PROOF
> that Dobby was being abused by Lucius...
...and I showed PROOF that Harry was being mistreated by the Durselys, but
it doesn't mean that the same treatment is used on Dudley. I would guess
that the Harry:Dobby::Dudley:Draco anaolgism is probably rather appropriate.
Dudley is spoiled, but Vernon and Petunia aren't really the best parents at
the same time.
> and this is proof that Lucius
> could be possibity abusive to his own son when family have their
> disagreements.
Proof that something is possible? What kind of silliness is that? I can
prove its possible that pigs can fly, and I can prove its possible that
superheroes exist.
Hell, I can prove its possible that I'm actually Richard Nixon.
> Remember it's not not fact that he does abuse his kid
> but it's a good possible theory. It would explain why Draco is a such
> a jerk. He has a lot of anger and hate and he can not show his father
> his true feelings about things. Fear is also a big factor.
In my experience, fathers often pass their prejudices and perceptions to
their sons. Especially when their sons idolize their fathers like Draco
does. Lucius is the closest thing Draco has to a hero. It doesn't mean he
has to like him at all times, but he desires to be like him.
>> > And then Draco says "it's not my fault, the teachers all have
>> > favorites, that Hermione Granger -"
> Again Draco says 'it's not my fault' So his father was starting to
> blame him for something he didn't do.
Actually for something he did do: Fail.
> Possible sign of child abuse.
There are thousands of possible signs of child abuse. Hermione's obsession
with perfection and adherance to the rules is a possible sign of child
abuse.
> Then what Draco does and he starts to blame Hermione for his problems,
> instead of blaming himself. Why? Because maybe his dad abuses him if
> his grades are not perfect.
I'm guessing he doesn't get a lollipop, but there is no evidence to suspect
that he gets a beating every time he isn't the best.
>> > (again 'this is just my opinon' he's hiding his true feelings about
>> > hermione because his dad would freak out, cuz she a mudblood)
Its much more likely that he just hates mudbloods, like his father.
> Out of all the students in Hogwarts, he speaks about Hermione. A
> pretty mudblood girl, who is the best student in hogwarts. It's
> possible proof he is impressed with her and that he will later find
> out his father is wrong about them.
He probably singles her our because she is widely acknowledged to be the
smartest witch or wizard at Hogwarts. Its kinda like how when we talk about
the best team, we pick the champion.
>> Where does this idea come from? You've found nothing that even suggests
>> that Malfoy has anything other than loathing and resentment toward Hermione.
>
> Like i was trying to tell you, it's possible he is hiding his
> feelings.
And you have no evidence to suggest this. Its just as possible that he
secretly desires Harry or Ron, but is simply hiding his feelings really
well.
>> Sometimes, things are just what they seem. In the absence of any evidence
>> to suggest that things are different, only a person devoid of logic would
>> insist that a situation is the opposite of that which is clearly
>> perceivable.
>
> Sometimes things are NOT what they seem to be. Things are not always
> black and white, good vs evil. The world does not work that way.
> Things are always more complex and a storyline to them.
I never said things are black and white, but you'll find that (to bastardize
the great work of Mr. Occam) usually the simplest explantion for a situation
is the correct one. People as a whole, often fail to properly perceive the
probabilities of such things. We never notice the 99% of times that things
are exactly what they seem, and think that the 1% of the time that they are
not, is actually a much larger portion than it is.
>> We have just as much evidence to state that Dumbledore is evil, Filch is
>> Fudge in disguise, and that Harry is Voldemort's son.
>
> I clearly NEVER said anything about Dumbledore is evil, etc...it's not
> clear where you are getting this idea from.
I'm getting it from the same place you are getting the idea that Draco loves
Hermione.
Nowhere.
> I am not saying Draco is a
> great guy or a bad guy, i am just saying he is clearly misunderstood
> by the reader then more meets the eye.
Draco is probably more complex than just "evil". But there is no evidence
of anything more. He has shown no redeeming qualities.
> It's funny though that you lable Draco as evil.
I never have. He is what he is. As yet, he has done little else other than
wish death, tortue, pain, and embarrasment on H/H/R. He certainly isn't a
champion for good, but he seems to be more self-serving than simply "evil".
> Because really, i don't think he's the bad guy.
Thats obvious. However, its clouding your perceptions.
> It's voldy who's the bad guy. Without him (Draco) at hogwarts, or some
> sort of school bully the HP movies and books would be abit boring.
Yeah. I'm like having Draco in the story.
> Draco spices things up.
Of course he does. He's the secondary antagonist. Thats his job. But the
fact that you like him doesn't make it more likely that he's going to
conform to what you want his character to be.
> First of all, most guys would not like to say a girl is smarter then
> them.
Actually, I know quite a few guys who have no probalem at all. I'd say that
the majority of guys dont really care. Some guys really like intelligent
women (as I do), and respect any girl who is "smarter than them" (as if this
could be measured like height). Some guys are egotists and sexists and hate
the idea of being worse than a girl.
Oddly, in my experience, the guys who have such views were taught them by
their fathers, who they idolized as children.
>> You're seeing things you want to see. Whatever might happen in the future,
>> Draco has shown nothing (feel free to debate this) that has ever resembled
>> kindness, caring, or even the possessive affection he receives from his
>> father toward Hermione.
>
> Yeah that's my whole point, he doesn't know any different. That is how
> he was raised. But i guess for you, this subject is too complex for
> your liking.
Nice try. Your age is showing.
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Brent
that she should leave. Once again not that I think he's in love with her or
anything but he is warning her to leave.
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
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> "Brent" <bruceyp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9j_va.5168$Xr6.1...@news1.telusplanet.net...
>
> > Actually this one occurred to me as well when I was reading the
> > part in GoF where the trinity meet Malfoy in the woods at the
> > World Cup. Draco actually seems pretty insistent that
> > Hermoine leave the area.
>
> Uh, no, he's not. He's taunting her.
>
> > I don't know that he likes her but it does seem that he
> > wants her out of that particular danger
>
> Then why does he say:
> "D'you want to be showing off your knickers in midair? Because if you do,
> hang around... they're moving this way, and it would give us all a laugh."
> Does that sound like he's concerned? Again, this sounds more like he's
> taunting her.
>
> > for whatever reason. And for the love of God read the
> > passage again before textually abusing me
>
> Ok, I did. Now can I textually abuse you?
>
> Catherine Johnson.
> --
> fenm at cox dot net
> "I dance like Angel sings!"
> -James A. Wolf, Esq, rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc.
>
>
Earwax
wrote:
>> > Actually this one occurred to me as well when I was reading the
>> > part in GoF where the trinity meet Malfoy in the woods at the
>> > World Cup. Draco actually seems pretty insistent that
>> > Hermoine leave the area.
>I agree he is taunting her. But after each instance he mentions or hints
>that she should leave. Once again not that I think he's in love with her or
>anything but he is warning her to leave.
>
Not warning because he is concerned about her safety, but emphasizing
a threat so that she feels unsafe.
John VanSickle
>
> How does him wanting to help the person petrifying the Muggle-borns
> mean he likes Harry? Do you live in Bizzarro world or something? I'm
> sorry, but I'm constantly astounded by your ability to take things and
> read them as just the opposite of what they mean.
He could work for Congress!
Pawz
Barry Fishman comments were...interesting...
- Pawz
Fish Eye no Miko
> For your infomation, i have read and re-read the books and
> watched the movies, probably as much (or more) as/then you have.
Again, statements like this make you sound arrogant.
> I have been a Hp's book fan for many years.
Ok. But frankly, that's irrelevant. Some fans pick up on things very
quickly, and can know most of what there is to know about something soon
after being a fan. The "I've been a fan longer than you" arguement doens't
hold water. And, again, it's arrogant.
> What gives you the right to say people's theories are pathetic?
If they are, they are.
> Have you thought up any theories, ideas yourself lately?
That's irrelevant. It really is. Just because I've not come up with any
theories lately doesn't make yours good.
> The least you could do is say something kind of like 'Sorry,
> but i disagree with your theory, because' and type whatever
> you want and the explain the reason WHY you disagree and
> be polite.
Which is what most people have been trying to do. But when you won't
listen to people and keep repeating the same thing over and over after it's
been disproved, people get annoyed with you, and less polite.
> And point out why you think this and what proves your
> disagreement against this theory, (like something from
> the books or even the movies, count also)
People have done that, too. But when you take evidence and twist it to
mean what YOU want, there's nothing we can say to you.
> You can have your own opinons but please, you can't
> have your own facts.
Stop saying that. We have the same fact. You just use them to mean what
you want.
> At least i have some proof towards my theory
No, you don't.
> which in this case would support it.
No, it doesn't.
> But, that is only the opinon of the readers.
> It doesn't hurt to be polite, you know.
We've tried.
> Instead, you have no respect for people's theories.
Well, when your theory is wrong, and supported by nothing in the books, no,
we don't have any respect for it. We don't have to.
> And with this, people will not respect you.
Wait... people won't respect ME cuz I disproved YOUR theory? How does that
work?
> Like i told you kindly, respect goes both ways. I very
> much hope you have leart a lesson from this....
What lesson, exactly?
> By the way, I am very sorry i called you (Dragon friend, Johnson,
> other people) azzholes, etc. But remember, it's very rude to say
> people's ideas are 'VERY lame' and make fun of them for no
> reason at all.
But we didn't make fun of them for no reason. We made fun of your theory
because it makes no sense, and is not supported by anything in the book.
> And then you DO NOT explain why you disagree with
> me on this issue.
Yes. We have. Multiple times. Are you not reading?
> Please point out, what your disagreement is in FULL detail, with
> PROOF. Not rude remarks...
Umm.. Draco wants Hermione dead. He calls her the wizard equivalent of
"nigger" on a REGULAR basis. He makes fun of everything about her.
But, see, you take this proof that he really loves her. How the hell can
we prove ANYTHING to you when you turn it around to mean the opposite of
what it is?
> But instead you (Dragon Friend) sent me a link to a FAQ page.
> Lets be clear about this. This is a THEORY. My opinon, the least you
> could do is respect it.
No. Not all opinions are equal.
> There are no answers to my theory
Yeah, there is. It's wrong.
> until we read the books, (i hope come out as soon as possible)
> Book 5, Book 6 and Book 7. Until these books come out,
> we ALL are left cluess and to guess. Especially with this theory...
No, we're not. He's said he want her DEAD? How much clearer can he be?
> But, hey yeah. That's the fun of it, creating and thinking about
> possible theories.
Theories that make sense, yes. Making theories out of whole cloth is
annoying.
> Opinons are not FACTS, just thoughts.
And opinion based on NO facts are wrong.
> I was just trying to explain to the news group, why i believe
> this theory is very much possible...
No. It's not.
> (Draco is misunderstand and he's been abuse. And his father controls
> him. And he can't show his true feelings. why? because his father
> controls him. It's still NOT clear what the private life of the
> Malfoys are, behind closed doors. It's POSSIBLE Draco is in 'love'
> with Granger, in his strange idea. But like i told you, we are left to
> guess and create possible theories. Or we don't think anything of it
> and believe Draco will never change.)
Yes, we know.
> Opinons are sometimes wrong, sometimes right.
At least you acknowledge that.
> It depands, we will never know until we read the
> books (5, 6, 7) and find out for ourselves. Until
> then, for the people who are against my theory, you
> have no proof yourselves.
Yes. We do. Jesus.
> It's all just 'crazy lame ideas and guess
> work'. So, whats wrong with that?
It's wrong?
> Again, i am sorry for the misunderstanding...
No, we understand you perfectly.
> I wish you would at least respect my theory, and say 'sorry'.
We are under no obligation to do either. If your opinion is wrong, we
don't have to respect it. Therefore, we don't have to apologize for not
respecting it.
> Be polite.
We can be polite AND disrespect your theory.
> I said i was sorry, in any case. If you don't say sorry, ok
Why do we have to apologize?
> fine. I have no problem with this.
> But in any case... Thanks for reading.
>
> From Pawz.
>
> P.S.
> The reason i put the z's in azzhole, instead of 's' is because i
> really hate cuss words.
Then don't say them at all.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"My whole life's been built on lies. I just... I guess I thought this one
was better than the others."
-Connor, _Angel_.
Pawz
>> Also read my other post about Book5, then this post might make more
>>sense.. Think about it! - From Pawz
>Please go read the FAQ and "Think about it!" Your theories are tired
and at
>the moment VERY lame, sorry but they are :-)
Dragon Friend
<Snip>
Well dragon friend,
The least you could do is say sorry, especially since i said to you
Sorry for calling you an 'azzhole'. And in fact saying my theory was
'VERY lame' was not polite but very rude.
Bah, what a hypocrit...
-Pawz
Pawz
> I wonder what made Pawz <paw...@yahoo.com> write the following:
>
>
>
> > And yes i did check out the FAQ and yes i did "think about it". I
> > looked the FAQ post page on this newgroup 'message board' and found
> > out it was around one year out of date.
>
> What do you mean? Moxie posted the FAQ yesterday and it says "Updated
> April 10, 2003".
>
> Now _please_ go and read everything on
> http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/
>
> > P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy.
>
> She's a girl. But I don't think you'll find anything funny when Soren
> takes over. >;-)
Thanks Bojan,
for sending the link, especially since old Dragon Friend was too rude
and full of anger so I guess he forgot to send me the link. I first
thought, he meant go to the FAQ on the newgroups (he was not clear in
detail) so I did a search only in the google harry potter newgroups
and found FAQ post :
which was one year out of date...
I'm new to the newsgroup and this is how you treat someone new. It's
unreal how rude you are, Dragon friend.
Next time, be more clear Dragon friend. Besides which, my theory is
not a question or answer but an idea. A theory. Respect it, don't say
it's 'VERY lame' because in fact, you have no right to say this
whatsoever. . . Watch your mouth, Hypocrit (since that is what you
are)
-Pawz
Brent
"Earwax" <Ear...@hogwarts.sch.uk> wrote in message
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Fish Eye no Miko
news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Earwax <Ear...@hogwarts.sch.uk> wrote:
> > paw...@yahoo.com (Pawz) wrote:
> >
> > >Still don't believe me, eh? Look at this old post about Draco and
> > >child abuse.
> > >Go to the link. Read carefully. Some of these people agree with
> > >me also. But i noticed this post was soon forgotten since it's
> > >over a year old, which i found rather interesting.
> > >
> >
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=9bqrbi
%24h36%241%40saltmine.radix.net&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Ddraco%2Bgroup:alt
.fan.harry-potter%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt
.fan.harry-potter%26selm%3D9bqrbi%2524h36%25241%2540saltmine.radix.net%26rn
um%3D5
> > >
> >
> > They make a case for the idea that Draco might turn away
> > from his father and join the good guys in the future. Nothing
> > there suggests that Draco actually likes Hermione now.
>
> It's possible but still, this is possible proof Draco hides his true
> feelings
How are some fan posts "proof" of anything?
> but only to his father's advange to avoid getting in serious
> trouble with the Ministy of magic, jail, etc. In this, Mr.
> Malfoy gets away with it because his son keeps his mouth
> shut.
How is that relevant?
> In results of this it's a possible sign that Mr. Malfoy clearly
> mistrusts his own son, Draco Malfoy. And possibity
> abuses him.
No. Fan posts are not "proof". The BOOKS are the only proof.
> Which in this case would cause Draco later when he is older and
> sees what his father has done to him, he will rebel (besides can
> you envision, Draco Malfoy taking orders from Lord Voldy
> and the Death eaters?
Yes.
> He doesn't like being pushed around.
Really? You'd think that of Lucius, too, but he grovels at Voldie's feet
easily enough.
> His father pushes him around all the time.
Prove it. OTOH, in the first book, Draco mentions bullying his dad into
getting him a racing broom (and, oh, in the second book, he's got one!).
Who's pushing whom around here?
> Who knows, what goes on behind closed doors when
> father and son are alone.
Must... not... make... echhi... joke...
> Ok so, lets say he does rebel, which is common with
> most children who been abused...
Not really. A surprising number of abused kids don't rebel, and fall into
the same patterns as their parents.
> What would be a good 'weapon' to get back at his father? Marry
> a mudblood, like Granger. Besides which she's cute.
She's rarely described as "cute", and when she is, it's cuz she'd fancied
up for the Yule Ball.
> The first mudblood that pops up in his head when
> he thinks of them.
It's the one he knows the best, AND the one who's better than him at
school.
> Gee, so it happens to be a cute girl named Hermione...interesting
> how this is hinted in the books and movies.
No. It's not.
> Just think, Mr. Malfoy's ONLY son/child marrying a
> mudblood girl. He would be outraged with anger!
As opposed to outraged with joy?
> And Draco becomes a 'good guy' and maybe he would
> be part of the Dumbledore's gang against lord voldy
> and his death eaters.
Show any proof in the first four books that this will happen. Quotes,
please.
> Maybe he will do like what Professer Snape did/does
> and become Dumbledore's secret spy on Voldy and his gang.
Why would JKR repeat herself like that?
> Besides which, NO ONE would ever guess in a million years
> that Draco would later become a secret spy for Dumbledore.
Yeah, because there's nothing any of the books that suggests he will.
> Gee, this would be interesting to read and more thrilling, dangerous
> in the Hp's book series then ever...
No, it wouldn't.
> Or at least make a great fan-fic. I'd read it.
> But like i said that's only a theory...respect it.
We don't have to respect theories.
> Be polite. Thanks
I can disagree with you and still be polite. Do you get that?
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
Suspect: "Do you know how much one of those cost?"
Horatio Cain: "Yeah, half as much as two of them."
-_C.S.I.: Miami_.
Fish Eye no Miko
> Well dragon friend,
> The least you could do is say sorry, especially since i said
> to you Sorry for calling you an 'azzhole'. And in fact saying
> my theory was 'VERY lame' was not polite but very rude.
> Bah, what a hypocrit...
No, she's not. There is a WORLD of difference between insulting someone's
theories and insulting *them*, directly, as you have done.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
ALL HAIL BRAK!
Dragon Friend
Thank you Catherine, I don't get to see Pawz posts anymore thank heavens for
killfiles, unless someone replies to one. But I have noticed her keep
demanding an apology via her various posts that people have replied to.
Although I see people are replying to her less now, guess everyone is fed-up
with her petulant behaviour. You will see I have posted an Off Topic
message to her, to be honest I don't care what she thinks, like I am going
to worry about the petulant rants of a 15 year old, to be honest it is about
time she acted her age.
Fish Eye no Miko
news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Bojan Bugarin <buga...@panet.co.yu> wrote in message
news:<MPG.192afa21d...@news.cis.dfn.de>...
> > I wonder what made Pawz <paw...@yahoo.com> write the following:
> >
> > > P.S. Dragon Friend, you are a funny guy.
> >
> > She's a girl. But I don't think you'll find anything funny when Soren
> > takes over. >;-)
>
> Thanks Bojan,
> for sending the link, especially since old Dragon Friend was too rude
> and full of anger so I guess he forgot to send me the link.
Wow, you were JUST told DF was a girl and you still refer to her as a "he".
Do you even BOTHER to read what people say to you?
> I'm new to the newsgroup and this is how you treat
> someone new.
No, this is how we treat someone who keeps insisting she's right when she
clearly is not, and won't listen to what anyone says.
> It's unreal how rude you are, Dragon friend.
Says the person calling us "azzholes".
> Next time, be more clear Dragon friend. Besides which,
> my theory is not a question or answer but an idea.
> A theory. Respect it, don't say it's 'VERY lame' because
> in fact, you have no right to say this whatsoever. . .
Yeah, actually, she does.
Watch your mouth, Hypocrit (since that is what you
> are)
No, she's not.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"Help! I'm being eaten by a quaint folk legend!"
-Lupin, from _Lupin III_.
stark
> for sending the link, especially since old Dragon Friend was too rude
Dragon Friend is a 'she'. ...which is a mistake that I find rather ironic
coming from you...
> ...forgot to send me the link. I first
> thought, he...
Again: 'she'.
You've been told this a couple of times already...
> ...meant go to the FAQ on the newgroups (he was not clear in
> detail) so I did a search only in the google harry potter newgroups
> and found FAQ post :
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=6mledto94pa59gqpttsf8tsdj9ctoks23i%404ax.com&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFAQ%2Bgroup:alt.fan.harry-potter%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.fan.harry-potter%26selm%3D6mledto94pa59gqpttsf8tsdj9ctoks23i%25404ax.com%26rnum%3D3
>
> which was one year out of date...
Its really not... Look. I dont even make it to a real FAQ listing there...
The only thing resembling a FAQ in the "thread" is posted by Moxie on Sept
9, 2001.
Try this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZKFva.116587%24sn6.2243003%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
Oh look! Its posted on May 11! And it was last updated April 10! How can
you claim its a year out of date?
You didn't perhaps, oh... fail to find the FAQ did you? And then blame
everyone else because you couldn't find the FAQ?
> I'm new to the newsgroup and this is how you treat someone new. It's
> unreal how rude you are, Dragon friend.
If you are new to the newsgroup, you should have already read the FAQ. And
you would then understand why everyone is cutting down your theories.
> Next time, be more clear Dragon friend.
What? She was perfectly clear...
> Besides which, my theory is
> not a question or answer but an idea. A theory.
Like the 'phlogiston theory' and the 'Earth is the center of the solar
system' theory. They are ideas. They are very wrong, and lack any fact or
logic to support them, but they are ideas. The people who proposed them
were not dumb, or evil, just wrong. Your theory is much the same. You
aren't dumb, you're just wrong.
> Respect it, don't say
> it's 'VERY lame' because in fact, you have no right to say this
> whatsoever. . .
What?!! You propose a theory but refuse to allow anyone to attempt to prove
or disprove it? Wow. That's not really a theory so much as a fascist
edict: "This is my theory. You will not question it. You will accept it
as fact, and ignore any inconsistencies, contradictions, fallacies, and
questions which you might see."
> Watch your mouth, Hypocrit (since that is what you
> are)
'Hypocrite'. Its got an 'e' on the end of it.
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Dragon Friend
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Thank you Stark, I couldn't have been clearer considering I posted the link
to the FAQ on the Hogwarts-library site for her a couple of times, but then
it has been proved she is hampered severely but selective reading, in that
she doesn't comprehend what she reads so makes it up:-)
Kish
> news:6ce2e42f.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Wow, you were JUST told DF was a girl and you still refer to her as a "he".
> Do you even BOTHER to read what people say to you?
I'd say there are two possibilities. One is that Pawz has a hard time
comprehending anything she reads. She doesn't seem to grasp what she
reads on the newsgroup--she just grabs words at random that are near
each other, associates them, and replies to something that isn't being
said. Note the way she assumed "I want to help them" must be referring
to wanting to help Harry, Hermione, and Ron in Chamber of Secrets.
Also, there's this bit from her newest reply...
Catherine: <<Hermione: JRK writes the books on her ideas, not what
happens in the movies. Harris' death has no effect on her story.>>
Pawz: <<Yeah but what about book 5?>>
Pawz: <<We know for a fact he was getting up there in age and we know
that Dumbledore is a big fan of Harry's.>>
Catherine: <<Draco: Arse-kisser.
Harry: Watch the language, Malfoy.>>
Pawz: <<Yeah but Dumbledore is just looking out for Harry's safety...>>
Pawz<<Another possible theory, Snape seems to have a "cruel kindness"
towards Harry. Would this include he is a "fan of harry"?>>
Catherine: <<All: <snicker>
Harry: With "fans" like him, who'd need enemies?>>
Pawz: <<I didn't say Snape was Harry's 'emeny'.>>
Word association, no comprehension.
The other possibility I see is that she is yet another troll, though a
slightly more persistant than usual one.
Sirius Kase
<fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> > Besides which how can you speak for 4 book/movie characters.
>
> Well, I read the books, figure out their personalities, and write based on
> that.
This looks like a good spot to interject. I like your
characterizations, you've done a good job figuring the kids out. And
it gives you a method of critiquing Pawz from multiple PoV, just
wonderful, and good for a laugh (at the ideas, not the person)
sirius kase
--
"Just tell me what secret you want to make sure I don't know, and I'll tell you
if I already knew it."