Occupations.
Welsh Dog
up a point I can't recall being covered for some time... what did
people do to earn their living?
What did James, Sirius, Wormtail et al actually *do* to turn a crust
after school??
As Ignotus' descendant, and owner of a priceless invisibility cloak
James might well have had a private income from some source... but
what of the others??
Welshdog
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mag3
>The point about where Sirius went to live after leaving school brought
>up a point I can't recall being covered for some time... what did
>people do to earn their living?
>
>What did James, Sirius, Wormtail et al actually *do* to turn a crust
>after school??
>
>As Ignotus' descendant, and owner of a priceless invisibility cloak
>James might well have had a private income from some source... but
>what of the others??
Not to mention all that gold in Gringotts. I'd be curious as to what the
Ministry pays aurors, and from where they collect "revenue."
"Cause I'm the taxman.... Yeaaaahhh the tax..maaaaann...
And your working for no one but me!"
Vo..... er... uh.... GH! ;-)
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
Toon
wrote:
>The point about where Sirius went to live after leaving school brought
>up a point I can't recall being covered for some time... what did
>people do to earn their living?
>
>What did James, Sirius, Wormtail et al actually *do* to turn a crust
>after school??
>
>As Ignotus' descendant, and owner of a priceless invisibility cloak
>James might well have had a private income from some source... but
>what of the others??
>
>Welshdog
Supposedly the Potters had an inherited fortune. Sirius came from a
powerful family, so presumably had access to the family vault. Lupin
apparently struggled his whole life. Peter was a rat, and living off
the kindness of the Weasleys. Before then, I think they skipped
working to fight Voldemort. Who knows what jobs would still be around
if he ruled.
DaveD
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Oops, I was just about to post exactly the same question!
I got the impression James was of "independent means" (ie came from a fairly
wealthy family) but I'm sure he and Lily - at least until she was fairly
pregnant - would have had jobs. It seems like a huge detail not to have been
covered, given how much most people's jobs contribute to their identity and
our ideas about them.
Although the cottage at Godric's Hollow in DH doesn't sound very grand,
certainly not even a patch on Malfoy Manor or even 12GP, yet I'd have
expected something a lot bigger if James' family was that rich so perhaps
not. But that still doesn't tell us what any of them did for a living.
Another detail for the Scottish book if, or when, it gets published...
DaveD
Toon
Maybe they were simple folk who didn't want a giant mansion filled
with unused rooms collecting dust?
Steve Morrison
(snip)
>> I got the impression James was of "independent means" (ie came from a fairly
>> wealthy family) but I'm sure he and Lily - at least until she was fairly
>> pregnant - would have had jobs. It seems like a huge detail not to have been
>> covered, given how much most people's jobs contribute to their identity and
>> our ideas about them.
>>
>> Although the cottage at Godric's Hollow in DH doesn't sound very grand,
>> certainly not even a patch on Malfoy Manor or even 12GP, yet I'd have
>> expected something a lot bigger if James' family was that rich so perhaps
>> not. But that still doesn't tell us what any of them did for a living.
>> Another detail for the Scottish book if, or when, it gets published...
>>
>> DaveD
>
> Maybe they were simple folk who didn't want a giant mansion filled
> with unused rooms collecting dust?
I've seen it suggested that the Potters were living in the
Dumbledores' old house while hiding from Voldemort.
DaveD
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In which case what happened to their actual house and why didn't Harry
inherit it?
Unless that's where all the gold in his Gringott's account came from...
DaveD
Barry Gray
"DaveD" <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
> DaveD
What interests me is the very limited list of careers offered to
Hogwarts students when they make their choices in Order of the
Phoenix: healing, training trolls, muggle relations, wizard banking,
Ministry of Magic, aurors - none of them are what might be classed as
wealth-generating. The Weasley Twins go on to do very well out of
their Joke Shop, but the shops in any community depend upon the people
in the community having money to spend.
So where does the wealth of the wizarding community as a whole come
from?
--
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http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
Toon
And what of muggleborns and halfbloods who want Muggle jobs? It's
like, You're a wizard. You can only do wizard jobs now.
Thommadura
Maybe they had a house that adjusted its size to the need!
mag3
>>> Although the cottage at Godric's Hollow in DH doesn't sound very grand,
>>> certainly not even a patch on Malfoy Manor or even 12GP, yet I'd have
>>> expected something a lot bigger if James' family was that rich so perhaps
>>> not. But that still doesn't tell us what any of them did for a living.
>>> Another detail for the Scottish book if, or when, it gets published...
>>>
>>> DaveD
>>
>> Maybe they were simple folk who didn't want a giant mansion filled
>> with unused rooms collecting dust?
>
>
>Maybe they had a house that adjusted its size to the need!
So, the "House of Requirement" then? ;-)))
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
Here in Minnesota!
"Barry Gray" <barr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <heumvb$k5m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> What interests me is the very limited list of careers offered to
> Hogwarts students when they make their choices in Order of the
> Phoenix: healing, training trolls, muggle relations, wizard banking,
> Ministry of Magic, aurors - none of them are what might be classed as
> wealth-generating. The Weasley Twins go on to do very well out of
> their Joke Shop, but the shops in any community depend upon the people
> in the community having money to spend.
>
> So where does the wealth of the wizarding community as a whole come
> from?
>
> --
> Barry Gray
> http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
I think that economics in the wizard community is somewhat different than in
the muggle community.
As a whole the wizarding community can have more service jobs than in the
muggle community... wizards have more or less free energy... they can lumos
for free light, a broom doesn't need gas, Accio and other moving charms.
They also need less raw recourses.. a broom is a branch and straw, compare
with a car... flu powder is dirt, compare with a plane. Not to mention
"Reparo" means many recourses does not need replacing.
I do agree there has to be some jobs that "might be classed as
wealth-generating". My guess is that this is done primarily with trading
with muggles and isn't talked about much in the wizarding world.
Thommadura
I think that JKR deliberately left out a lot of "basic wizarding life"
from the books because it would have created a Black Hole of questions
and contradictions - and would have required even more structure and
thought than would have been possible to cover in the books.
Remember - for every statement she makes - there are 40 questions.
She said that Harry was NOT a horcrux in the end - yet there are still
those who question her on that one. Imagine the possibilities for
conflict over how wizards run their normal lives.
For example:
Obviously there are cracks in just the acquisition of food alone - plus
a bunch in how it is prepared. Wizards cannot just use magic to create a
meal - yet they use magic in its preparation. However - Mrs. Weasley
seems to be able to create gravies or sauces using magic. Yet - they
require ingredients too!
mag3
>I think that JKR deliberately left out a lot of "basic wizarding life"
>from the books because it would have created a Black Hole of questions
>and contradictions - and would have required even more structure and
>thought than would have been possible to cover in the books.
[SNIP]
>Obviously there are cracks in just the acquisition of food alone - plus
>a bunch in how it is prepared. Wizards cannot just use magic to create a
>meal - yet they use magic in its preparation. However - Mrs. Weasley
>seems to be able to create gravies or sauces using magic. Yet - they
>require ingredients too!
Or an even more fundamental question: basic Wizard biology/physiology
(I'll assume for this discussion that "anatomy" would be the same). That is,
are wizards exactly the same species (homo sapiens) as muggles where the
only difference being that wizards have a magical energy within them, or
is something actually different phyisiologically? Point being, if things like
magical healing spells or "Skelegrow" etc. actually heal a wizard's body, why
doesn't it work on muggles? And what are the physiological effects on the
wizard body of things like apparation/floo network/port keys, etc...?
Then again, there is a historical precident.... One wonders in what shape
one's body would be having served aboard the USS Enterprise for 20 years
and being "transported" all over the place.... ;-) Beam me up Scottie!!!
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
Here in Minnesota!
"Barry Gray" <barr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <heumvb$k5m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>
> What interests me is the very limited list of careers offered to
> Hogwarts students when they make their choices in Order of the
> Phoenix: healing, training trolls, muggle relations, wizard banking,
> Ministry of Magic, aurors - none of them are what might be classed as
> wealth-generating. The Weasley Twins go on to do very well out of
> their Joke Shop, but the shops in any community depend upon the people
> in the community having money to spend.
>
> So where does the wealth of the wizarding community as a whole come
> from?
>
> --
> Barry Gray
> http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
I think that economics in the wizard community is somewhat different than in
Here in Minnesota!
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Why do you assume Skelegrow wouldn't work on a muggle? I assume it would.
Here in Minnesota!
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Yes, I agree... while they can't make food out of nothing, it seems you can
multiply food you have...
"It's impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon
it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase
the quantity if you've already got some -"
also Harry did the refilling charm with wine, etc.
Why didn't they steal or buy a little good food and "refill" it forever?
mag3
>> are wizards exactly the same species (homo sapiens) as muggles where the
>> only difference being that wizards have a magical energy within them, or
>> is something actually different phyisiologically? Point being, if things
>> like magical healing spells or "Skelegrow" etc. actually heal a wizard's body,
>> why doesn't it work on muggles? And what are the physiological effects on the
>> wizard body of things like apparation/floo network/port keys, etc...?
>
>Why do you assume Skelegrow wouldn't work on a muggle? I assume it would.
I would have thought that things like wizard medical remdedies (Skelegrow etc.)
would be among the few secrets they'd be willing to share with muggles in the interest
of "inter-group" cooperation/greater benefit of "mugglekind" etc.. etc... Since that hasn't
happened, I thought perahps it's due to the treatments being ineffective on muggles.
While I can imagine there are some things they wouldn't share with muggles for their
own good (transport things like apparation, floo netowrk or things like "memory
modification" etc.. ) as those require training and control, wizard medicine is one area
where I thought they would, assuming it actually works on muggles.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
Here in Minnesota!
In the first book...
"But what does a Ministry of Magic do?"
"Well, their main job is to keep it from the Muggles that there's
still witches an' wizards up an' down the country."
"Why?"
"Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to
their problems. Nah, we're best left alone."
I don't think Skelegrow could be release to muggles without giving up the
secret. The FDA wants to know what is in each drug and how it's made and how
it works... when they are told that it contains Dragon's blood [or whatever
Skelegrow has] and needs to be made after the first full moon in spring...
mag3
>>>Why do you assume Skelegrow wouldn't work on a muggle? I assume it would.
>> I would have thought that things like wizard medical remdedies (Skelegrow
>> etc.) would be among the few secrets they'd be willing to share with muggles in
>> the interest of "inter-group" cooperation/greater benefit of "mugglekind" etc.. etc...
>> Since that hasn't happened, I thought perahps it's due to the treatments being ineffective
>> on muggles.
>> While I can imagine there are some things they wouldn't share with muggles
>> for their own good (transport things like apparation, floo netowrk or things like
>> "memory modification" etc.. ) as those require training and control, wizard
>> medicine is one area where I thought they would, assuming it actually.
>> works on muggles.
>In the first book...
>
>"But what does a Ministry of Magic do?"
>"Well, their main job is to keep it from the Muggles that there's
>still witches an' wizards up an' down the country."
>"Why?"
>"Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to
>their problems. Nah, we're best left alone."
A continuity error perhaps on JKR's part IMHO. Witness all the families of
muggle borns and half bloods etc. who know of the wizarding world. Do
they have to get "top secret" clearance from the MOM and sign NDAs etc.?
Even Petuna of all people has 1st hand knowledge of it, albeit most likely, not
the "secrets / minutiae"... It seems JKR used the above as a "convenience
device" so as not to have a lot more explaining to do in re: muggle
interactions. But it wouldn't cover everything.......
>I don't think Skelegrow could be release to muggles without giving up the
>secret. The FDA wants to know what is in each drug and how it's made and how
>it works... when they are told that it contains Dragon's blood [or whatever
>Skelegrow has] and needs to be made after the first full moon in spring...
That's fair. Muggle society would not be satisfied with some explanations of
things.. to the point where it would probably drive wizards nuts. Perhaps, they
remember places like Salem, and what happened to witches etc. there. I don't
blame them for wanting to keep most things secret, and perhaps even they have
sort of a Trekian "Prime Directive" philosophy as well. The one place I *would*
compromise that is in re: medical care. If their magic can save muggle lives
where muggle methods can't.......
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Regards,
Arnold
Welsh Dog
wrote:
A reverse example was the failure of 'stitches' to work on Arthur when
they tried to heal his wounds!!
Here in Minnesota!
an interesting possible effect of the wizard health care is that they seem
to be more reckless... I guess if I could repair my old bones in a minute I
would do more dangerous sports.
Welsh Dog
<neverwill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:4b1836bc$0$4999$607e...@cv.net...
>> Here in Minnesota! wrote:
>>> "Barry Gray" <barr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:0f8151c350...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> In message <heumvb$k5m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>> http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
<snip>
>>>> A child is a fire to be lit not a vessel to be filled
>> Obviously there are cracks in just the acquisition of food alone - plus a
>> bunch in how it is prepared. Wizards cannot just use magic to create a
>> meal - yet they use magic in its preparation. However - Mrs. Weasley seems
>> to be able to create gravies or sauces using magic. Yet - they require
>> ingredients too!
>Yes, I agree... while they can't make food out of nothing, it seems you can
>multiply food you have...
>"It's impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon
>it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase
>the quantity if you've already got some -"
>also Harry did the refilling charm with wine, etc.
>Why didn't they steal or buy a little good food and "refill" it forever?
I managed to resolve the problem with Dean et al eating Salmon when
Harry et al made do with pike because I assumed that they simply said
"Accio big fish" or similar and the pike they caught was bigger than
the salmon... tho that's stretching things a a little! :)
But the point about the food was a problem from book one. There was so
much that was 'obviously wrong' about food being available as a
resource that it was glossed over to a large extent... and I think
adding Gamps's Elementary Laws of Transfiguration (or whatever they
were called) has simply confused things for no good reason.
One thing that struck me early on was to wonder where the food came
from to service the feasts. Obviously it's 'fresh' so needed to come
directly from a farm, but it seemed to me there were insufficient
wizards out there growing the amount of food that 1,000+ students
would need on a daily basis. Somehow I can't see Hogwarts house elves
nipping off to the local market a couple of times a week to restock
the larders!! :)
There's a new topic...who is in charge of 'housekeeping' at Hogwarts
and why did we never get introduced to them? I can't imagine Filch
interacting much with Muggles either... !
DaveD
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Yes I was a bit disappointed with that but I think it's possible to
extrapolate from the books that the Potterverse has a basically artisan
economy in terms of hand-making magical objects; the Arts and Crafts
movement would be proud (indeed, that romanticism might even contribute a
little to the charm of the books and films).
We've seen Olivander who made wands, and Fred and George had to make the
goods for their joke shop as well as sell them, but there are loads of other
things which would need creating: broomsticks (presumably requiring some
skill, hence the high price tag of the top end models); turning soil into
floo powder; collecting magical artifacts for potions ingredients from
unicorns, dragons, and other magical (and non-magical) creatures from toads
to lace wing flies; creating store-bought potions for those who can't make
their own or don't have enough time to; writing and printing books (even if
it's just someone sitting there doing 'gemini' charms on the original
manuscript, it's going to take time, especially if you then have to put a
gemini-proof charm on each one afterwards to stop anyone else copying them
for nothing!) etc.
There's also lots of things muggles have as well but made in a non-muggle
style such as clothes, robes, and buildings - I doubt either the Weasley or
Lovegood families could have built their homes themselves, magically or
otherwise.
Basically, think of anything anyone had or used in the Potterverse, and a
witch or wizard would have had to create it, even muggle-sort of things like
clothes.
And of course there are seemingly disproportionate numbers of jobs in the
"public sector" from the Ministry to St Mungos and Hogwarts (though the
latter two may be charitable foundations funded mainly by donations as they
have boards of governors, though they might still have got some government
funding too). Though there is then the question of who collects the taxes to
pay for officials' salaries (I can't recall whether it was Mr Weasley or the
lift in the MoM which explained who was on which floor, but tax collectors
weren't mentioned - probably because it wouldn't have been funny - but that
doesn't help with whether they exist and if so, where they're located) and
I'm not sure a simple sales tax would be enough especially if it could be
avoided.
Oops, any more paragraphs and I'll have completed my dissertation for an MSc
in Magical Economics :)
DaveD
DaveD
> Toon wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:15:16 -0000, "DaveD"
>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
[snip]
>>>> Supposedly the Potters had an inherited fortune. Sirius came from a
>>>> powerful family, so presumably had access to the family vault. Lupin
>>>> apparently struggled his whole life. Peter was a rat, and living off
>>>> the kindness of the Weasleys. Before then, I think they skipped
>>>> working to fight Voldemort. Who knows what jobs would still be around
>>>> if he ruled.
>>>
>>> Oops, I was just about to post exactly the same question!
>>>
>>> I got the impression James was of "independent means" (ie came from a
>>> fairly wealthy family) but I'm sure he and Lily - at least until she was
>>> fairly pregnant - would have had jobs. It seems like a huge detail not
>>> to have been covered, given how much most people's jobs contribute to
>>> their identity and our ideas about them.
>>>
>>> Although the cottage at Godric's Hollow in DH doesn't sound very grand,
>>> certainly not even a patch on Malfoy Manor or even 12GP, yet I'd have
>>> expected something a lot bigger if James' family was that rich so
>>> perhaps not. But that still doesn't tell us what any of them did for a
>>> living. Another detail for the Scottish book if, or when, it gets
>>> published...
>>>
>>> DaveD
>>
>> Maybe they were simple folk who didn't want a giant mansion filled
>> with unused rooms collecting dust?
>
>
> Maybe they had a house that adjusted its size to the need!
I like that idea, being able to switch off rooms if they're not needed.
Not so sure about Toon's suggestion as I'm sure there's a magical cleaning
and dusting charm you could use, even if Scourgify is a bit too harsh.
DaveD
DaveD
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True - but that was a magically-affected wound and even magic had problems
curing it!
DaveD
DaveD
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Good point - we met Mme Pomfrey and Filch so why no head house-keeper/cook?
That could have been a fun character for JKR to play with and fits with the
50s atmosphere of the books. But I don't think there's been 1000 students at
Hogwarts for a long time - as I recall, the best estimates were more like
300-ish (though still quite a few to cater for) - around 10 per house x 4
houses x 7 years.
Early on I did wonder where all the food in the Great Hall came from but
then that was answered later with the house-elves. Could there be more
house-elves who grow it, or even magical farmers growing some and gemini-ing
it to produce large quantities for Hogwarts and the like. Or perhaps they
even eat muggle-grown food - after all, there weren't any ordinary grocers
in Diagon Alley. Even though personally I'd have expected wizard and witches
to shop at magical shops even for food in case muggles noticed them, still
there were some in the town as Vernon Dursley saw a few in PS/SS, so they
might pop out food shopping from time to time.
DaveD
Toon
wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:38 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think that JKR deliberately left out a lot of "basic wizarding life"
>>from the books because it would have created a Black Hole of questions
>>and contradictions - and would have required even more structure and
>>thought than would have been possible to cover in the books.
>
>[SNIP]
>
>>Obviously there are cracks in just the acquisition of food alone - plus
>>a bunch in how it is prepared. Wizards cannot just use magic to create a
>>meal - yet they use magic in its preparation. However - Mrs. Weasley
>>seems to be able to create gravies or sauces using magic. Yet - they
>>require ingredients too!
>
>Or an even more fundamental question: basic Wizard biology/physiology
>(I'll assume for this discussion that "anatomy" would be the same). That is,
>are wizards exactly the same species (homo sapiens) as muggles where the
>only difference being that wizards have a magical energy within them, or
>is something actually different phyisiologically? Point being, if things like
>magical healing spells or "Skelegrow" etc. actually heal a wizard's body, why
>doesn't it work on muggles? And what are the physiological effects on the
>wizard body of things like apparation/floo network/port keys, etc...?
Probably a different species very closely related to Homo Sapiens.
Just like regular humans, but with the power to do magic. Homo Magi,
as DC Comics calls them.
>Then again, there is a historical precident.... One wonders in what shape
>one's body would be having served aboard the USS Enterprise for 20 years
>and being "transported" all over the place.... ;-) Beam me up Scottie!!!
Judging by Scotty, very very fat.
Toon
wrote:
>A continuity error perhaps on JKR's part IMHO. Witness all the families of
>muggle borns and half bloods etc. who know of the wizarding world. Do
>they have to get "top secret" clearance from the MOM and sign NDAs etc.?
>Even Petuna of all people has 1st hand knowledge of it, albeit most likely, not
>the "secrets / minutiae"... It seems JKR used the above as a "convenience
>device" so as not to have a lot more explaining to do in re: muggle
>interactions. But it wouldn't cover everything.......
Eventually, the whole world would be wizards, and everybody would
know.
>
>That's fair. Muggle society would not be satisfied with some explanations of
>things.. to the point where it would probably drive wizards nuts. Perhaps, they
>remember places like Salem, and what happened to witches etc. there. I don't
>blame them for wanting to keep most things secret, and perhaps even they have
>sort of a Trekian "Prime Directive" philosophy as well. The one place I *would*
>compromise that is in re: medical care. If their magic can save muggle lives
>where muggle methods can't.......
Why? Our medicine can do wonders, and we don't share it with each
other. Many if Africa suffer needlessly when cures and treatments
exist. People in the US must choose between medicine and food or
rent. Why should Wizards B so giving?
Toon
wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:18:16 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com>
But that's dark magic. How many wizards would run afoul of that on a
daily basis?
Toon
<neverwill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"It's impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon
>it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase
>the quantity if you've already got some -"
So, magic can't defy the Law Of Conservation Of Matter. So jesus was
a wizard, magically multiplying his fish and bread.
Toon
Still, you might have to travel room to room to use it. Seems like a
small sacrifice, but imagine having to go into 25 rooms every day,
performing the same spell everyday. Soon, you'd start skipping days.
mag3
>On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:48:40 -0500, mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com>
>>Or an even more fundamental question: basic Wizard biology/physiology
>>(I'll assume for this discussion that "anatomy" would be the same). That is,
>>are wizards exactly the same species (homo sapiens) as muggles where the
>>only difference being that wizards have a magical energy within them, or
>>is something actually different phyisiologically? Point being, if things like
>>magical healing spells or "Skelegrow" etc. actually heal a wizard's body, why
>>doesn't it work on muggles? And what are the physiological effects on the
>>wizard body of things like apparation/floo network/port keys, etc...?
>
>Probably a different species very closely related to Homo Sapiens.
>Just like regular humans, but with the power to do magic. Homo Magi,
>as DC Comics calls them.
I'd be curious then as to how "muggle borns" happen. A genetic mutation,
perhaps? Or maybe a sub-species.
>>Then again, there is a historical precident.... One wonders in what shape
>>one's body would be having served aboard the USS Enterprise for 20 years
>>and being "transported" all over the place.... ;-) Beam me up Scottie!!!
>
>Judging by Scotty, very very fat.
That's just it, Scotty never really was transported much anywhere. He pretty
much stayed on board. I guess you don't get much exercise operating the
"energizer." ;-PPPP
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
mag3
>>That's fair. Muggle society would not be satisfied with some explanations of
>>things.. to the point where it would probably drive wizards nuts. Perhaps, they
>>remember places like Salem, and what happened to witches etc. there. I don't
>>blame them for wanting to keep most things secret, and perhaps even they have
>>sort of a Trekian "Prime Directive" philosophy as well. The one place I *would*
>>compromise that is in re: medical care. If their magic can save muggle lives
>>where muggle methods can't.......
>
>Why? Our medicine can do wonders, and we don't share it with each
>other. Many if Africa suffer needlessly when cures and treatments
>exist. People in the US must choose between medicine and food or
>rent. Why should Wizards B so giving?
I'd hope they'd have a bit more wisdom than us mere muggles.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
richard e white
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The point about where Sirius went to live after leaving school brought
> >up a point I can't recall being covered for some time... what did
> >people do to earn their living?
> >
> >What did James, Sirius, Wormtail et al actually *do* to turn a crust
> >after school??
> >
> >As Ignotus' descendant, and owner of a priceless invisibility cloak
> >James might well have had a private income from some source... but
> >what of the others??
> >
> >Welshdog
>
> Supposedly the Potters had an inherited fortune. Sirius came from a
> powerful family, so presumably had access to the family vault. Lupin
> apparently struggled his whole life. Peter was a rat, and living off
> the kindness of the Weasleys. Before then, I think they skipped
> working to fight Voldemort. Who knows what jobs would still be around
> if he ruled.
See book five the tapestery bit where black tells how he got a place of his
own with money left to him by an uncle. I'm not sure of the uncle's name,
but I think it was biluis. Probley not spelled right.
--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Lets go for talking i-pods!
richard e white
> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>The point about where Sirius went to live after leaving school brought
> >>up a point I can't recall being covered for some time... what did
> >>people do to earn their living?
> >>
> >>What did James, Sirius, Wormtail et al actually *do* to turn a crust
> >>after school??
> >>
> >>As Ignotus' descendant, and owner of a priceless invisibility cloak
> >>James might well have had a private income from some source... but
> >>what of the others??
> >>
> >>Welshdog
> >
> > Supposedly the Potters had an inherited fortune. Sirius came from a
> > powerful family, so presumably had access to the family vault.
It was said at one point that Jame's had money so didn't need a well paying
job. At another point there was a refrance to Jame's being an aura, but I think
this comment was made during a interview and they turned out to be unrelible.
> Lupin
> > apparently struggled his whole life. Peter was a rat, and living off
> > the kindness of the Weasleys. Before then, I think they skipped
> > working to fight Voldemort. Who knows what jobs would still be around
> > if he ruled.
>
> Oops, I was just about to post exactly the same question!
>
> I got the impression James was of "independent means" (ie came from a fairly
> wealthy family) but I'm sure he and Lily - at least until she was fairly
> pregnant - would have had jobs. It seems like a huge detail not to have been
> covered, given how much most people's jobs contribute to their identity and
> our ideas about them.
>
> Although the cottage at Godric's Hollow in DH doesn't sound very grand,
> certainly not even a patch on Malfoy Manor or even 12GP, yet I'd have
> expected something a lot bigger if James' family was that rich so perhaps
> not. But that still doesn't tell us what any of them did for a living.
> Another detail for the Scottish book if, or when, it gets published...
>
You have to remember that house was where they went to hide. Book five talks
about black and jame's having places of there own and going to harry's
grandparents place for sunday dinner. That line would point to the potter famly
house not being the cottage. In fact the number of houses Harry might have
owned at the end could be quite high. Maybe them being rented out was one of
the ways Harry account was getting money. The fact that when Harry came of age,
we didn't see him start to handle his own finaces was a missing fact for me. I
am still a bit miffed we didn't find out more about this aspect. Or what sort
of house Harry made for himself after he left hogwarts.
>
> DaveD
richard e white
I think that is why house elves tended to come with old big mansions
richard e white
Well in book five when ron's dad is in the hospital, he talks about some
muggles in the same hospital because someone sold them a biting door knob. He
says they lost fingers and that they were at the hospital to get there fingerds
regrown.
So it seams that something works.
richard e white
The problem is that most wizards don't want to help and there world laws stop this from happening.
Well I bet some muggle borm and half blods are pretending to be doctors and helping out a bit, but
they have to keep it hidden from the muggles and the MOM as the mom would have them up on charges
for any magic displays. then again another way of looking at it is they do. Fingers are being
replaced and in many cases the person getting the suragery is out cold. How would he know how it
was done.
However, the true reason is JKR didn't want the two worlds to be that close.
richard e white
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:26:53 -0600, "Here in Minnesota!" <neverwill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Why do you assume Skelegrow wouldn't work on a muggle? I assume it would.
> >> I would have thought that things like wizard medical remdedies (Skelegrow
> >> etc.) would be among the few secrets they'd be willing to share with muggles in
> >> the interest of "inter-group" cooperation/greater benefit of "mugglekind" etc.. etc...
> >> Since that hasn't happened, I thought perahps it's due to the treatments being ineffective
> >> on muggles.
>
> >> While I can imagine there are some things they wouldn't share with muggles
> >> for their own good (transport things like apparation, floo netowrk or things like
> >> "memory modification" etc.. ) as those require training and control, wizard
> >> medicine is one area where I thought they would, assuming it actually.
> >> works on muggles.
>
> >In the first book...
> >
> >"But what does a Ministry of Magic do?"
> >"Well, their main job is to keep it from the Muggles that there's
> >still witches an' wizards up an' down the country."
> >"Why?"
> >"Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to
> >their problems. Nah, we're best left alone."
>
> A continuity error perhaps on JKR's part IMHO. Witness all the families of
> muggle borns and half bloods etc. who know of the wizarding world. Do
> they have to get "top secret" clearance from the MOM and sign NDAs etc.?
In book five we hear of muggle worthy excuse office in the mom. I always thought it had something
to do with this anser. Unforchunitly, we never find out what most of the offices really do.
>
> Even Petuna of all people has 1st hand knowledge of it, albeit most likely, not
> the "secrets / minutiae"... It seems JKR used the above as a "convenience
> device" so as not to have a lot more explaining to do in re: muggle
> interactions. But it wouldn't cover everything.......
>
> >I don't think Skelegrow could be release to muggles without giving up the
> >secret. The FDA wants to know what is in each drug and how it's made and how
> >it works... when they are told that it contains Dragon's blood [or whatever
> >Skelegrow has] and needs to be made after the first full moon in spring...
>
> That's fair. Muggle society would not be satisfied with some explanations of
> things.. to the point where it would probably drive wizards nuts. Perhaps, they
> remember places like Salem, and what happened to witches etc. there. I don't
> blame them for wanting to keep most things secret, and perhaps even they have
> sort of a Trekian "Prime Directive" philosophy as well. The one place I *would*
> compromise that is in re: medical care. If their magic can save muggle lives
> where muggle methods can't.......
>
The problem is that many wizards and witches don't care. Take the muggle hunting act one of black's
relitive tried to get through. This points to most of the magical folk don't think of muggles as
equals.
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold
Toon
wrote:
Well, they sure lack common sense. And their society is pre20th in
ideals and what not.
Toon
wrote:
I guess then, transporting reduces weight. And wait, too.
Toon
wrote:
>It was said at one point that Jame's had money so didn't need a well paying
>job. At another point there was a refrance to Jame's being an aura, but I think
>this comment was made during a interview and they turned out to be unrelible.
I think that was fan rumor. Because the Longbottoms were, the Potters
had to be too. Or LIly was an Unspeakable, working on love based
magic.
Toon
wrote:
>In book five we hear of muggle worthy excuse office in the mom. I always thought it had something
>to do with this anser. Unforchunitly, we never find out what most of the offices really do.
If they're anything like the US Gov, nothing.
Myth
> Supposedly the Potters had an inherited fortune. Sirius came from a
> powerful family, so presumably had access to the family vault. Lupin
> apparently struggled his whole life. Peter was a rat, and living off
> the kindness of the Weasleys. Before then, I think they skipped
> working to fight Voldemort. Who knows what jobs would still be around
> if he ruled.
Sirius had some money one of his uncles left him. I believe this is
mentioned when he is discussing the Black family tree with Harry in
OOTP, saying how they (him and his uncle) had been wiped off of it.
DaveD
news:4B1E1A26...@cox.net...
Ooh, well remembered! Indeed, it seems skelegrow (or something similar)
works on muggles, given we can't quite regrow fingers yet!
And there are definitely some muggles taken into St Mungos now I come to
think of it, with all the magical accidents, eg the minister who has to
resign as he's a danger to his family!
DaveD
richard e white
Yes. The wizards do seam to bring in muggles when magic does the damage. And
as harry didn't look to far into the wizard healing field, we don't know how
many clinics are being run by muggle born or half bloods to help the muggles.
Done right the muggles wouldn't know there ttreatment included magic. However,
by the way most wizards seam to think, I would bet on only a few such places
being hidden from the mom.
Toon
<dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>Ooh, well remembered! Indeed, it seems skelegrow (or something similar)
>works on muggles, given we can't quite regrow fingers yet!
One guy did with powdered pig bone or such,
Thommadura
Actually - I was thinking of the Tents at the Quidditch Tournament when
I said that one. THe tents seemed small on the outside - and were huge
on the inside. So I thought that they would do that with houses as well.
Thommadura
Did house elves go with the house - or with the family?
richard e white
They seam to go with the house. However, we didn't get indepth information on
them. There is also a bit in one of the charaty books which says that there is a
house elf relocation department. This department reloacates a house elf when the
house is sold off to muggles. So there are times when the house elf can be
seporated from the house.
richard e white
I know what you mean. And there is some evadence to that. Draco's dad put in a
hidden room under the drawing room. I would bet on many families adding some
bits.
I also thought putting a flat in the back of a van would be a great way to hid
where you were staying. But then again maybe that kind of expantion can be
detected. The people at the Q cup didn't care about other wizards finding
them. This sort of extra room was one thing I was hoping to find out more
about, but we never saw it show up in one of the classes.
Welsh Dog
<tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>richard e white wrote:
>> Toon wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:29:06 -0000, "DaveD"
>>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b169e29$0$22545$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>> Toon wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:15:16 -0000, "DaveD"
>>>>>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
[snip]
>>> Still, you might have to travel room to room to use it. Seems like a
>>> small sacrifice, but imagine having to go into 25 rooms every day,
>>> performing the same spell everyday. Soon, you'd start skipping days.
>> I think that is why house elves tended to come with old big mansions
>Did house elves go with the house - or with the family?
Dobby said the house elves served the family.
When Kreacher said he served the "Noble house of Black" he meant the
lineage... i.e. the people.
Welshdog
--
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Thommadura
Just think of the energy savings that could be generated if we could
have houses like that - with only the rooms we need at the time.
James Rau
<tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Just think of the energy savings that could be generated if we could
>have houses like that - with only the rooms we need at the time.
Try turning off the lights when you leave the room. It lowers your
electric bill...just like magic! :-)
James Rau
DaveD
> Thommadura wrote:
>> richard e white wrote:
>> > Toon wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:29:06 -0000, "DaveD"
>> >> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> "Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:4b169e29$0$22545$607e...@cv.net...
>> >>>> Toon wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:15:16 -0000, "DaveD"
>> >>>>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog
>> >>>>>>> <wels...@gmail.com>
>> >>> [snip]
>> > I think that is why house elves tended to come with old big mansions
>> >
>>
>> Did house elves go with the house - or with the family?
>
> They seam to go with the house. However, we didn't get indepth
> information on
> them. There is also a bit in one of the charaty books which says that
> there is a
> house elf relocation department. This department reloacates a house elf
> when the
> house is sold off to muggles. So there are times when the house elf can
> be
> seporated from the house.
>
>
> --
> Richard The Blind Typer.
> Lets hear it for talking computers.
> Lets go for talking i-pods!
Families die out - especially when Voldy and the DEs are about... (he said
ominously)
DaveD
DaveD
news:g64gi55l2a5osovri...@4ax.com...
> On , , Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:18:05 -0500, Re: Occupations., Thommadura
> <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>DaveD wrote:
>>> "Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4b169e29$0$22545$607e...@cv.net...
>>>> Toon wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:15:16 -0000, "DaveD"
>>>>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> with unused rooms collecting dust?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they had a house that adjusted its size to the need!
>>>
>>>
>>> I like that idea, being able to switch off rooms if they're not needed.
>>>
>>> Not so sure about Toon's suggestion as I'm sure there's a magical
>>> cleaning and dusting charm you could use, even if Scourgify is a bit too
>>> harsh.
>>>
>>> DaveD
>>
>>
>>Actually - I was thinking of the Tents at the Quidditch Tournament when
>>I said that one. THe tents seemed small on the outside - and were huge
>>on the inside.
>
> box, on
> the inside it was immense.
>
>>So I thought that they would do that with houses as well.
>
> fill them
> up and then put them into a stasis field and close them up until I need
> them
> again.
Yes, lots of Rooms of Requirement where you can dump your old stuff, out of
site and out of mind, and possibly, hopefully, find it again several years
(or decades!) later if/when you need it.
DaveD
Welsh Dog
If Hermione... who was after all just a 'witch in training' could
conjure up an undetectable extension charm... then any suitably
qualified wizard ought to be able to do the same thing??
DaveD
> DaveD wrote:
>> "richard e white" <chip...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4B1E1A26...@cox.net...
>> > "Here in Minnesota!" wrote:
>> >> "mag3" <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:q8fgh5h7e0lajm9mm...@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:38 -0500, Thommadura
>> >> > <tomm...@optonline.net>
I'm not sure a wizard or witch would be able to qualify as a muggle doctor
as most would be too out of the loop in muggle educational matters and not
logical enough to pass the various exams necessary to get into university
still less qualify (unless perhaps they had bewitched pens, like you could
bewitch quills to get the right answers!) Although there was Justin
Finch-ffletchley (or whatever his name was) who almost went to Eton instead
of Hogwarts so I guess if you had a witch/wizard who was very keen on
becoming a doctor...
That said, even in the real world you get faith healers and various
alternative therapy centres (whatever you may think of them) so in the
Potterverse it would have been fairly easy for wizards and witches to join
them and do some real magical healing - they could probably even make a
decent living at it, as long as they were discrete!
DaveD
DaveD
news:m9nui59ffc5s2n6vs...@4ax.com...
Good point - as long as you could still live while you were inside it; might
be a bit of a drawback if you couldn't. Though a very effective way of
getting rid of unwanted guests and making sure they didn't come back!!
DaveD
Toon
wrote:
>
>If Hermione... who was after all just a 'witch in training' could
>conjure up an undetectable extension charm... then any suitably
>qualified wizard ought to be able to do the same thing??
Well, sometimes the simplest things are the most hard when you're
advanced enough.
Thommadura
I don't agree
It is clear that wizards have their own areas of Expertise. Gilderoy
Lockhart was able to do Memory charms well - but not much else.
Welsh Dog
<tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Welsh Dog wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:19:08 -0000, "DaveD"
>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Mr. Scooter" <mr.sc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g64gi55l2a5osovri...@4ax.com...
>>>> On , , Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:18:05 -0500, Re: Occupations., Thommadura
>>>> <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> DaveD wrote:
>>>>>> "Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4b169e29$0$22545$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>>>> Toon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:15:16 -0000, "DaveD"
>>>>>>>> <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:sg65h5p1dpnl2ckcl...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:59:49 +1100, Welsh Dog <wels...@gmail.com>
[snip]
>>> Yes, lots of Rooms of Requirement where you can dump your old stuff, out of
>>> site and out of mind, and possibly, hopefully, find it again several years
>>> (or decades!) later if/when you need it.
>> If Hermione... who was after all just a 'witch in training' could
>> conjure up an undetectable extension charm... then any suitably
>> qualified wizard ought to be able to do the same thing??
>I don't agree
>It is clear that wizards have their own areas of Expertise. Gilderoy
>Lockhart was able to do Memory charms well - but not much else.
Well I did qualify the comment it with 'suitably trained'... but
surely Hermione can't be the only wizard/witch with skills in more
than one area?
And let's not forget that as good as she was, the vast majority of her
skills came not from native ability, but from practicing what she read
in books!
As far as I can recall there was nothing anywhere within the books to
indicate she was extraordinarily powerful... or particularly gifted in
any way... other than her native intelligence being greater than other
students..
It would seem she was just better read than the majority of the other
students (especially those outside Ravenclaw), and obsessive about
'practice making perfect' ! :)
Thommadura
I only meant to point out that Gilderoy was not good at some spells -
even though he probably tried them. THat - plus the fact that Neville
was better in herbology than in spells - tells me that not all wizards
have equal power in all spells - and maybe some - like Gilderoy - are
just unable to do some spells no matter how much they try.
richard e white
Not a good exsample. HG was one of the best students around. Also not all
quallafied wizards and witches have taken the newt level charms. HG was doing
some of this level of charms in her fifth year. even then we have seen that some
magical people are only good at a few charms or hexes and just passable in
others. I will agree that there must be many others out there who can do it, but
using HG to prove that nearly all should be able to do it isn't a good exsample.
The real question is how long did it take hg to find that spell and where did she
find it?
I would guess she went looking for it after harry said he wasn't coming back to
hogwarts, but with her mind, she might have started looking for that spell when
the toad was in charge. Many spells of simular nature were suddenly being used
to hide harry's interview. I wouldn't be surprised that at that point HG thought
they might need to hide something. She may have spent most of 6th year looking
for that very spell. We don't know, because JKR never gives us any insight into
how far HG is thinking ahead. She comes up with spells which help the group, but
we never learn how long she worked on it. We never learn how long she worked on
the coins, or that hiding charm. Although with a mind like that I still have
problems with her not packing any canned food at all. I mean she had the tent, a
small library and many other things, but no long term food items?
richard e white
Might start to smell after a while if you left the body in it. As to living in
it, I think there are other spells for that one. Besides the F charm which hid
harry's parents would be better for hiding living people. The problem is that
you need to trust the secret keeper.
richard e white
Very true. The boy who tried to sell the memory booster got nine O on his owls.
However, we don't see how many get high marks in charms. We do know ron and harry
got E and they didn't know anything about it.
>
> And let's not forget that as good as she was, the vast majority of her
> skills came not from native ability, but from practicing what she read
> in books!
>
> As far as I can recall there was nothing anywhere within the books to
> indicate she was extraordinarily powerful... or particularly gifted in
> any way... other than her native intelligence being greater than other
> students..
You missed how she remembers much more then everyone else, the way she reads all
her tecxt books before even showing up to classes? Thoes are great skills most
don't have. Also her intelagence and logic gives her a great edge over others.
Just look at the way everyone reacted when she handed out the coins in book five.
They were startaled at what she had done as it was newt standerd. they wanted to
know why she wasn't in ravenclaw. And many of the people staring at her were
higher level students. This points to HG not being a normal student in any way.
>
>
> It would seem she was just better read than the majority of the other
> students (especially those outside Ravenclaw), and obsessive about
> 'practice making perfect' !
She was well read. However, her speed and retention must be very high which is a
speachal skill. Ones I wished I had in school. When I was in college my reading
speed was only 94 I was the slowest in my class. It was do to reading disorders.
My retention was high, but my speed was low. this meant I had to studdy for nearly
twenty hours a day just to keep up with my classes. At times, her third year, HG
was spending a lot of time doing the same sort of thing but was taking every class
hogwarts offered. She was able to crank back and only take ten classes, unless you
belive the owls and there is a unknown 13 class at hogwarts. She has speachal
skills and abilties, they just aren't the flashy kind.
> :)
richard e white
Good point. And lets also remember nevil's grand, she failed her owl in charms and
there for tried to act like it wasn't important. We saw how students get into the
newt levels, and we also see that not everyone even passes there owls. This means
that some would never run into the charm in there normal classes and few hogwarts
students seam to look for anything outside of there classes. In fact most of the
newt level classes seam to have around twelve students. A bad way of guessing but a
good point that few get into all there newt classes they want. Then we have ron and
harry didn't know it. So it was either in a class they didn't take or HG was
reading ahead again, or she was looking for spells she thought might help them
latter.
I still think this shows that few people would know the spell. I am not saying hg
was the only one, but I would bet on less then ten out of every hundered students
getting out of hogwarts would know it. Then comes the question are they good at it.
In most of HG classes they never show her messing up. In fact she tends to be
trying to teach Ron or the others the first time they try a spell. A very rare
tallent.
richard e white
The point was they wouldn't need to take all the classes. They could just
spell the first person asking for qualafaction and make them belive they were a
doctor. However, my thought was more of working with a doctor. Say a brother
went to muggle school and became a doctor and still knew about magic. The
brother could slip the witch or wizard into help on spechal cases and no one
would ever know.
>
>
> That said, even in the real world you get faith healers and various
> alternative therapy centres (whatever you may think of them) so in the
> Potterverse it would have been fairly easy for wizards and witches to join
> them and do some real magical healing - they could probably even make a
> decent living at it, as long as they were discrete!
And as long as they kept there heads low the mom wouldn't know.
>
>
> DaveD
Toon
wrote:
>Although with a mind like that I still have
>problems with her not packing any canned food at all. I mean she had the tent, a
>small library and many other things, but no long term food items?
When she panics, she forgets things, like how to start a magic fire.
She might have been rushing about trying to prepare for everything and
simply forgot. This was major endeavor, little time to fully prepare,
they're being hunted, and she needs to get the most important things
ready. And she spent 6 years with food provided for her at Hogwarts.
Toon
wrote:
>
>Might start to smell after a while if you left the body in it. As to living in
>it, I think there are other spells for that one. Besides the F charm which hid
>harry's parents would be better for hiding living people. The problem is that
>you need to trust the secret keeper.
Too bad the Potters did trust their's.
richard e white
I know all that. The problem was she had time before harry showed up. The mounth
before she went to ron's. I can't belive she didn't put any canned food into the bag.
I could have excpted they used it up during there stay at number 12, but to not pack
any was redickuless. Her mind had more then enugf time to make a list and get the
important things. In fact I rather belive that no matter what she packed food wise
they would have run out and had to go shopping in the middle of the night, its just a
place where I think JKR skimmed over what her characters would do and didn't get it
quite right. It just doesn't seam to fit. However, it may be that JKR isn't use to
packing for a camp out and never thought through the though prossess of some one like
HG as they came to there trip.
However, in the long run it didn't bother me as much as Harry's lack of planning. He
knew he would have to meet V sence the end of book five. and no planning. My self I
would have been looking for good spells sence the end of book one. He knew he had an
enamey and did nothing extra to get ready.
In book five he found his stunning spell can reflect. He sees others spells won't,
but he never tries to find out from DD the spells which won't reflect and fly back at
you.
I never could understand that bit.
Each character has spots where they don't make sence. Not all that surprising,
but wourth woundering why they didn't fit better.
Thommadura
Based on the stories - it was my understanding that Peter was
recommended by Sirius - because they were unlikely to figure out that
peter was the secret keeper.
That would add to the explanation as to why sirius hate peter so much
Welsh Dog
<tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>On 1/1/2010 11:05 AM, Toon wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:52:27 -0800, richard e white<chip...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Might start to smell after a while if you left the body in it. As to living in
>>> it, I think there are other spells for that one. Besides the F charm which hid
>>> harry's parents would be better for hiding living people. The problem is that
>>> you need to trust the secret keeper.
>> Too bad the Potters did trust their's.
>Based on the stories - it was my understanding that Peter was
>recommended by Sirius - because they were unlikely to figure out that
>peter was the secret keeper.
But Voldemort or the other DE's might have been clever enough to work
out that they could torture one of the Potters closest friends... i.e.
Peter... to either divulge their location *or* to tell them there was
a Fidelius Charm on them and the name of the 'Secret Keeper'.
>That would add to the explanation as to why sirius hate peter so much
What would explain it even more would be that Sirius didn't trust
*himself* not to give away the location under pressure!
Surely even Sirius couldn't have been insane enough to imagine for a
second that Peter was a more formidable character and stronger
personality than he had himself?
Here in Minnesota!
It seems like the decision to use Peter is similar to a play in American
Football. You are 6 yards for the goal line with one play to run... you have
3 receivers... a star [like Sirius], a very good player [like Lupin], and an
average or poor player [like Peter]... the trouble is that you know your
star and very good player will be double and triple teamed... so one option
is to send your 2 good players in one direction and the poor player in the
other direction... hoping that everyone will cover the better players the
poorer player only has to catch a easy 6 yard pass with no one defending
him.
It appears that this was the plan. As in football, sometimes it works and
sometimes not... but still a good plan.
Remysun
<neverwillicheckt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It seems like the decision to use Peter is similar to a play in American
> Football. You are 6 yards for the goal line with one play to run... you have
> 3 receivers... a star [like Sirius], a very good player [like Lupin], and an
> average or poor player [like Peter]... the trouble is that you know your
> star and very good player will be double and triple teamed... so one option
> is to send your 2 good players in one direction and the poor player in the
> other direction... hoping that everyone will cover the better players the
> poorer player only has to catch a easy 6 yard pass with no one defending
> him.
Except in this case, unbeknownst to all, Peter signed a contract with
the other team, so when he gets it, he runs the other way and fumbles
it in the other end zone so that the Death Eaters can score a
touchdown.
Here in Minnesota!
"Remysun" <remys...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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yeap
Thommadura
OR - it might have been obvious to all if Sirius was the secret keeper -
because he was Harry's godfather and close to the family
After all - no one was supposed to know who was the secret keeper - yet
everyone assumed it was Sirius.
Toon
<tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
Even DD thought it so, and testified about it. But nobody thought
poor pathetic Peter would be used.
Welsh Dog
>On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:19:57 -0500, Thommadura
><tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>On 1/10/2010 3:17 AM, Welsh Dog wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:29:50 -0500, Thommadura
>>> <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On 1/1/2010 11:05 AM, Toon wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:52:27 -0800, richard e white<chip...@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
<snip>
>>> Surely even Sirius couldn't have been insane enough to imagine for a
>>> second that Peter was a more formidable character and stronger
>>> personality than he had himself?
>>OR - it might have been obvious to all if Sirius was the secret keeper -
>>because he was Harry's godfather and close to the family
>>After all - no one was supposed to know who was the secret keeper - yet
>>everyone assumed it was Sirius.
>Even DD thought it so, and testified about it. But nobody thought
>poor pathetic Peter would be used.
You do have to wonder why Sirius made no defence at all (or didn't as
far as we know) implicating Wormtail?
Perhaps he *was* insane! :)
Toon
wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:44:45 -0800, Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote:
Remember, he blamed himself for suggesting Wormtail to begin with. So,
he wanted to be punished for killing his best friend/near brother. And
with Wormy apparently blown to bits, and only a finger left, who'd
believe him? Imagine his shock when he saw the Weasleys in the paper,
and recognized his old rat pal.
richard e white
Black wasn't given a trial. He was sent straight to asskaband. DD said he
gave evidence. However, he didn't say he did it at cort. My guess is that DD
told the top wizard cort what he knew as they were trying to figure out what
happened to lily and james potter. In most other cases I think Black would
have been brought in later for a trial, but they decided not to bother in
black's case.
Toon
wrote:
They needed a scapegoat to show they were competent and dealing with
the problem. They did the same with Stan. Guilt or innocence was
irrelevant. As long as someone at least seemed guilty, they could be
used.
Draco Malfoy
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