Seventh son of a seventh son
Bazoo
quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is supposed
to have some pretty nifty powers. I'm not sure how much we know about the
lineage of the Weasleys, but just looking at the current generation
Children
1 Bill
2 Charlie
3 Percy
4/5 Fred/George
6 Ron
7 Ginny
I read some speculation that Ron could have been the 7th son, but if my list
is right (not that that's certain) then Ginny would be the 7th child. So
what if JKR has twisted legend to make the 7th child of the 7th child the
one with the powers. This could make Ginny's role a lot more interesting in
the future than just someone with a crush on Harry. It would also fit with
what JKR saying about Ginny playing a more important role in the next book
and beyond.
Opinions?
Terry Eden
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> Now, I'm not too hot on the details of the mythology behind it, but from
> quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is
supposed
> to have some pretty nifty powers. I'm not sure how much we know about the
> lineage of the Weasleys, but just looking at the current generation
>
> Children
> 1 Bill
> 2 Charlie
> 3 Percy
> 4/5 Fred/George
> 6 Ron
> 7 Ginny
Didn't His Pratchettness write a book about this once? "Sourcery" IIRC.
However, I don't remember Ron mentioning any of his 7 uncles...
Terry
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Chris Share
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>"Bazoo" <ba...@spambarriercheekychaos.com> wrote in message
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>> Now, I'm not too hot on the details of the mythology behind it, but from
>> quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is
>supposed
>> to have some pretty nifty powers. I'm not sure how much we know about the
>> lineage of the Weasleys, but just looking at the current generation
>>
>> Children
>> 1 Bill
>> 2 Charlie
>> 3 Percy
>> 4/5 Fred/George
>> 6 Ron
>> 7 Ginny
>
>Didn't His Pratchettness write a book about this once? "Sourcery" IIRC.
>
>However, I don't remember Ron mentioning any of his 7 uncles...
>
>Terry
Nope, that's the Discworld thus it's all 8s... 8th son of an 8th son is
a wizard, 8th son of that is a Sourcerer, and they're bad.
But anyway, I think Ginny will be a lot more important in the later
books. I still think she'll end up with Harry... :) We've already seen
she understands him more than most ppl... in CoS, "he doesn't want
that![the attention]".
chris
Shadow
> books. I still think she'll end up with Harry... :) We've already seen
> she understands him more than most ppl... in CoS, "he doesn't want
> that![the attention]".
Yes. Harry and Ginny is definitely possible. She is clearly warm for his
form.
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Do you not think Harry will end up with Hermione?? That's the impression I
got from GoF - jealously at the ball.
Venya
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Uh, doesn't all this rather depend on either Arthur or Molly also being a
seventh child? Granted that we do indeed have seven Weasley children in the
story, it seems strange that none of them have ever mentioned any of their
six aunts and uncles...
- Venya
Shadow
I
> got from GoF - jealously at the ball.
Nah.... Ron and Hermione will wind up together. I became convinced in GoF
with the "Make me your first choice and not your last resort" line. Still,
when I think of Ron and Hermione married all I can think about is a scene
between Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito in "The War of the Roses"......
KT: "Have you ever made Angry Love?"
DD: "Is there any other way?"
I don't know why that springs to mind.....
Chris Share
said...
>Do you not think Harry will end up with Hermione?? That's the impression I
>got from GoF - jealously at the ball.
Erm, read the book again and I think you'll noticed the big huge clues
are pointing towards Ron and Hermione getting together... everything
about Harry and Hermione points towards just being good friends.
chris
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> "Chris Share" <ch...@caesium.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:59:47 -0000, Terry Eden(T.E...@deadspam.com)
> > said...
> > >"Bazoo" <ba...@spambarriercheekychaos.com> wrote in message
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> Do you not think Harry will end up with Hermione?? That's the impression I
> got from GoF - jealously at the ball.
>
Ron was the one who was jealous, not Harry :D
Ross Fleming
V interesting theory though... imagine how important the child of Harry &
Ginny would be!
R
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G Bell
>Now, I'm not too hot on the details of the mythology behind it, but from
>quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is supposed
>to have some pretty nifty powers.
It's called the "Prentice Alvin" series by Orson Scott Card. It pretty
nifty when I read it years ago.
Graham
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is that Harry is gonna go for Cho Chang now that Diggory's out of the way.
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i read somewhere that the 7th child of a 7th child has a great power to see
ghosts and stuff.
O'Karen
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I echo your concern in that I've noticed that although Ron and Hermione
speak well of each other when talking to Harry, to each other's faces
they usually either fighting or being sarcastic. But, many couples say
the meanest things to each other and get along just fine.
IIRC, the characters in WotR didn't communcate very well with each
other at all until they declared war.
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are. Dale Carnegie
Karen
In article <9snblj$b2q$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>, Ross Fleming
<r...@dcs.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Bazoo <ba...@spambarriercheekychaos.com> wrote in message
> news:9smv3q$mkr$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com...
> > I read some speculation that Ron could have been the 7th son, but
> > if my >list is right (not that that's certain) then Ginny would be
> > the 7th child. So what if JKR has twisted legend to make the 7th
> > child of the 7th child the one with the powers. This could make
> > Ginny's role a lot more interesting >in the future than just
> > someone with a crush on Harry. It would also fit with what JKR
> > saying about Ginny playing a more important role in the next book
> > and beyond.
> Here's a flaw in the plan... Ginny ain't a son... ;)
It has been noticed that there is a big age gap between Charlie and
Percy. This was figured by observing the length of time since Charlie
led Gryffindor to win the Quidditch cup. Even without that evidence,
Percy is a 5th year and Charlie is a graduate, Arthur and Molly could
easily have birthed another child in that gap. That would make *Ron*
the seventh son. And what about the seven uncles? Well, Rowling may
be using a simplified version of this idea. It wouldn't be the first
time that she borrowed someone else's idea and changed it a little.
>
> V interesting theory though... imagine how important the child of
> Harry & Ginny would be!
A very interesting idea, but for it to be useful, Rowling would already
need to be considering writing a book about the next generation. And
she insists that she will be done with Harry when he is an adult. So
that next generation book would feature either a widowed Ginny with
child or an orphan.
--
Karen
"But let's also remember that there was a moment, way back in the mists of the
late last century, when Harry Potter was a cool club you could join only by
reading." - Tracy Mayor in a great article at Salon.com
Tom Moulds
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Trine Kornum Christiansen
>
> "Bazoo" <ba...@spambarriercheekychaos.com> wrote in message
> news:9smv3q$mkr$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com...
> > Now, I'm not too hot on the details of the mythology behind it, but from
> > quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is
> supposed
> > to have some pretty nifty powers. I'm not sure how much we know about the
> > lineage of the Weasleys, but just looking at the current generation
> >
> > Children
> > 1 Bill
> > 2 Charlie
> > 3 Percy
> > 4/5 Fred/George
> > 6 Ron
> > 7 Ginny
>
> Didn't His Pratchettness write a book about this once? "Sourcery" IIRC.
>
I suddenly remember a rather fun book by Anthony Horowich, "The seventh
son". A little the same theme as HP, a wizard, but not noving it. TP did
the book about Esk(arina), was it called "The colour of magic"??
/Trine
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significant number on the discworld).
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Ross Fleming
carry on writing years afterwards. I believe, for example, there were
further Famous Five were written years after Blyton died?
Or maybe the midi-chlorians will impregnate Ginny..... he WILL bring
balance..
R
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Richard Eney
Karen <Ka...@infobreak.net> wrote:
<snip>
>It has been noticed that there is a big age gap between Charlie and
>Percy. This was figured by observing the length of time since Charlie
>led Gryffindor to win the Quidditch cup. Even without that evidence,
>Percy is a 5th year and Charlie is a graduate, Arthur and Molly could
>easily have birthed another child in that gap. That would make *Ron*
>the seventh son. And what about the seven uncles? Well, Rowling may
>be using a simplified version of this idea. It wouldn't be the first
>time that she borrowed someone else's idea and changed it a little.
AFAIK the seventh son of a seventh son bit is not 'someone else's idea',
it's folklore.
=Tamar
Aiken
Also didn't Malfoy comment on the Weasley family always having more
children than they could afford - suggesting that the Weaslys are a BIG
family
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>AFAIK the seventh son of a seventh son bit is not 'someone else's idea',
>it's folklore.
>
Well, isn't folklore about someone else's idea, that is old enough and
was repeated by a lot of people, anyway?
Regards
Klaus Winkler
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>Here's a flaw in the plan... Ginny ain't a son... ;)
>
>V interesting theory though... imagine how important the child of Harry &
>Ginny would be!
>
>R
More to the point: If we go by the "magic number 7" concept, Harry &
Ginny's 7th child would be *insanely* powerful..... maybe ;)
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Chris Share
said...
>
>>Now, I'm not too hot on the details of the mythology behind it, but from
>>quite a few sources it's 'known' that the 7th son of a 7th son is supposed
>>to have some pretty nifty powers. I'm not sure how much we know about the
>>lineage of the Weasleys, but just looking at the current generation
>>
>>Children
>>1 Bill
>>2 Charlie
>>3 Percy
>>4/5 Fred/George
>>6 Ron
>>7 Ginny
>>
>>I read some speculation that Ron could have been the 7th son, but if my list
>>is right (not that that's certain) then Ginny would be the 7th child. So
>>what if JKR has twisted legend to make the 7th child of the 7th child the
>>one with the powers. This could make Ginny's role a lot more interesting in
>>the future than just someone with a crush on Harry. It would also fit with
>>what JKR saying about Ginny playing a more important role in the next book
>>and beyond.
>>
>>Opinions?
>>
>>
>Would explain why Voldemort chose Ginny to be his pawn in the CoS.
He didn't. Voldemort was a disembodied spirit in Albania at that point,
with no power to choose anyone for his pawn. Tom Riddle couldn't do
anything until anyone wrote in the diary. It was Lucius Malfoy who put
the diary in Ginny's book.. I think he just did it because he wanted to
discredit Arthur Weasley somehow, and Ginny seemed the easiest to get
to.
>Also didn't Malfoy comment on the Weasley family always having more
>children than they could afford - suggesting that the Weaslys are a BIG
>family
That would explain it though... maybe we'll hear more in the later
books. Arg, want book 5 now.... :(
chris
Karen
<ch...@caesium.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >Also didn't Malfoy comment on the Weasley family always having more
> >children than they could afford - suggesting that the Weaslys are a BIG
> >family
>
> That would explain it though... maybe we'll hear more in the later
> books. Arg, want book 5 now.... :(
I'm wanting to learn more about that muggle accountant and the lost
cousin. Harry's world view is growing with every book, so maybe we
will learn that the Weasley family is quite a bit bigger than the big
bit we already know about. Draco's remark seems to imply that more
Weasleys than Molly and Arthur have too many kids. Or he may have just
used awkward wording.
--
Karen
"But let's also remember that there was a moment, way back in the mists
of the late last century, when Harry Potter was a cool club you could
join only by reading." Tracy Mayor, Salon.com
Volker Kerkhoff
>
> I have to agree, it's Ron and Hermione that'll end up together... and my bet
> is that Harry is gonna go for Cho Chang now that Diggory's out of the way.
Uhhh. That "Out of the way" sounds nasty. I'd rather think it'll be
Ginny. You know, there's lots of love stories which start forging in
the mutual, or at least by one part, desinterest of one of the
couple. And Harry seems quite annoyed by her, too!
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> Entwicklungsländern?
Klar, deshalb heissen sie ja so!
Richard Eney
Klaus Winkler <klausw...@foni.net> wrote:
>On 13 Nov 2001 02:38:50 -0500, dic...@Radix.Net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>
>>AFAIK the seventh son of a seventh son bit is not 'someone else's idea',
>>it's folklore.
>>
>Well, isn't folklore about someone else's idea, that is old enough and
>was repeated by a lot of people, anyway?
Now that I'm back from being away... Yes, but the original phrasing
seemed to imply that JKR had 'stolen' someone other individual's
copyrighted idea rather than simply using part of the mythology that
is common to us all.
=Tamar
Karen
<dic...@Radix.Net> wrote:
Welcome back, please, sit with me by the fire and enjoy a butterbeer.
Much of what JKR writes is derivitive, I don't consider it stolen,
didn't mean for you to take it that way. When JKR borrows from someone
else, folklore or other, she adds her own spin.
--
Karen
"But let's also remember that there was a moment, way back in the mists
of the late last century, when Harry Potter was a cool club you could
join only by reading." Tracy Mayor, Salon.com
Richard Eney
Karen <Ka...@infobreak.net> wrote:
>In article <9tehem$srf$1...@saltmine.radix.net>, Richard Eney
><dic...@Radix.Net> wrote:
>>
>> Now that I'm back from being away... Yes, but the original phrasing
>> seemed to imply that JKR had 'stolen' someone other individual's
>> copyrighted idea rather than simply using part of the mythology that
>> is common to us all.
>> =Tamar
>Welcome back, please, sit with me by the fire and enjoy a butterbeer.
>Much of what JKR writes is derivitive, I don't consider it stolen,
>didn't mean for you to take it that way. When JKR borrows from someone
>else, folklore or other, she adds her own spin.
Thanks. I'm a little oversensitive to that sort of phrasing because I've
heard it misused so often with intent to accuse. Is the butterbeer the
recipe someone said was on the rosie o website?
=Tamar
Karen
<dic...@Radix.Net> wrote:
> In article <201120011712558194%Ka...@infobreak.net>,
> Karen <Ka...@infobreak.net> wrote:
> >In article <9tehem$srf$1...@saltmine.radix.net>, Richard Eney
> ><dic...@Radix.Net> wrote:
> <snip>
> >>
> >> Now that I'm back from being away... Yes, but the original phrasing
> >> seemed to imply that JKR had 'stolen' someone other individual's
> >> copyrighted idea rather than simply using part of the mythology that
> >> is common to us all.
>
> >> =Tamar
>
> >Welcome back, please, sit with me by the fire and enjoy a butterbeer.
> >Much of what JKR writes is derivitive, I don't consider it stolen,
> >didn't mean for you to take it that way. When JKR borrows from someone
> >else, folklore or other, she adds her own spin.
>
> Thanks. I'm a little oversensitive to that sort of phrasing because I've
> heard it misused so often with intent to accuse. Is the butterbeer the
> recipe someone said was on the rosie o website?
>
> =Tamar
This is the adult version. It will really warm you up.