Why didn't Dumbledore repair Ron's wand in COS?
Thomas Gagne
nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
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santosh
> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
No. Ron's original wand was a "hand me down" from one of his older
brothers (forgot whom). It wasn't "suited" to him. It was in fact a
good thing that he broke his ill-suited wand. He was forced to get one
for _himself_ and thus had an opportunity to let the wand choose the
wizard. So it was correct that Dumbledore made no attempt to repair old
wand.
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"Thomas Gagne" <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote in message
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> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been nice
> for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>
I doubt if DD knew it could [it most likely haven't been tried before
Harry]. In any case I don't think it would have been wise... to advertise
that he had the Elder Wand by fixing a cheap second hand wand.
Thomas Gagne
belief that Dumbledore was a powerful wizard.
And whether the wand was second-hand or not, waste not want not.
Here in Minnesota!
> Here in Minnesota! wrote:
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>> "Thomas Gagne" <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote in message
>> news:XZydnamykYRwFNPV...@wideopenwest.com...
>>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>>>
>>
>> I doubt if DD knew it could [it most likely haven't been tried before
>> Harry]. In any case I don't think it would have been wise... to advertise
>> that he had the Elder Wand by fixing a cheap second hand wand.
> I doubt it would have advertised anything, but simply reinforced the
> belief that Dumbledore was a powerful wizard.
>
> And whether the wand was second-hand or not, waste not want not.
>
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I'm not sure if DD should have exposed the elder wand for a 100 galleons
deluxe wand... I am sure it wouldn't be worth it for Ron's.
Toon
<tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
Maybe it only works on "family" wands. Harry owned them both, so they
work on each other.
Toon
That's how the trouble all started. Loud mouth moron advertising he
had an unbeatable wand. That's just a challenge to the universe, and
the universe answered.
Frodo Baggins
After reading all the replies so far, I am surprised why no one has
talked about the OBVIOUS. Dumbledore did not have the ELDER WAND
during CoS!!!
It was not yet conceived as a storyline by JKR. She invented the whole
Hallow thingies sometime between the end of OotP and middle of the
muddle called HBP.
Frodo.
Hoshisato
> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
I'm sure that he didn't want to draw any attention to the fact he had
the Elder Wand.
hanso...@hotmail.com
> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
It would also have been nice for him to have spoken to Hagrid sooner
(rather than leaving him to stew for a week) after the story about his
being half-giant broke. That's simply Dumbledore's rather lonely
character, as JKR discussed in an interview once. More to the point,
though, is the fact that he can't spend all of his time fixing
everybody else's problems, preferring (and quite rightly) to let
others deal with their own problems - unless it's something extremely
serious. He has his eye on the big picture.
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santosh
Personally, I feel that she invented the Hallows between HBP and DH.
Toon
<douf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jun 10, 7:05 pm, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>>
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>
>After reading all the replies so far, I am surprised why no one has
>talked about the OBVIOUS. Dumbledore did not have the ELDER WAND
>during CoS!!!
But he did.
>It was not yet conceived as a storyline by JKR. She invented the whole
>Hallow thingies sometime between the end of OotP and middle of the
>muddle called HBP.
Externally, but internally he did have it.
Thomas Gagne
the same as saying that any extraordinary magic Dumbledore may have
performed in the preceding years announced his possession of the Elder
Wand. Why would the repair of Ron's wand be more extraordinary than
anything else Dumbledore had proved capable of preceding it?
santosh
> Hoshisato wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 3:05 pm, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure that he didn't want to draw any attention to the fact he had
>> the Elder Wand.
>>
> Multiple people have said that, but it makes no sense. That would be
> the same as saying that any extraordinary magic Dumbledore may have
> performed in the preceding years announced his possession of the Elder
> Wand. Why would the repair of Ron's wand be more extraordinary than
> anything else Dumbledore had proved capable of preceding it?
This discussion is ridiculous. Dumbledore is not a wand maker! It isn't
his job to go around fixing everyone's broken wands. Remember a fair
number of students would conceivably break or damage their wands in a
school year. Ron isn't the only one. If Dumbledore fixes Ron wand, then
to be fair, he will have to fix everyone else's too.
Besides I'm pretty sure that only the EW has sufficient power to fix
broken wands. If that were not so, then Ollivander would be able to
mend the broken wands of his customers and everyone (all those who are
satisfied with their wands at least) would get their old wands fixed.
On the contrary evidence in the story indicates that once you break a
wand then there is no way to mend (that's why the snap the wands of
offenders, like it happened to Hagrid) it; only recourse is to buy a
new one or Spellotape it and use it, if the damage is minimal, as
Hagrid did.
If word got around that Dumbledore could fix broken wands (and it would
do so if he did so), then intelligent wizards would not take long to
figure out that Dumbledore has the EW. That's the last thing Dumbledore
wants.
Here in Minnesota!
> Hoshisato wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 3:05 pm, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure that he didn't want to draw any attention to the fact he had
>> the Elder Wand.
>>
> Multiple people have said that, but it makes no sense. That would be the
> same as saying that any extraordinary magic Dumbledore may have performed
> in the preceding years announced his possession of the Elder Wand. Why
> would the repair of Ron's wand be more extraordinary than anything else
> Dumbledore had proved capable of preceding it?
because even the #1 wand maker, Olivandier, said it couldn't be done.
x
santosh
> Maybe rowling never thought of it.
Yes of course. That possibility (even probability) is always there. But
we are debating story internal reasons she might have had. Certainly
it's better than sitting around twiddling your thumbs. :-)
Drusilla
Did DD know Ron's wand was broken? Did he ever find out?
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santosh
> santosh escribió:
>> x wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe rowling never thought of it.
>>
>> Yes of course. That possibility (even probability) is always there.
>> But we are debating story internal reasons she might have had.
>> Certainly it's better than sitting around twiddling your thumbs. :-)
>>
>
> Did DD know Ron's wand was broken? Did he ever find out?
Yes. Harry had to tell him the reason for Lockhart's amnesia.
Drusilla
Mmm... then, perhaps the thought did cross his mind, but after the whole
explanation, Harry running after Malfoy and some other stuff, he forgot.
He's human after all. OTOH, Ron's wand wasn't special or anything. He
didn't need to know it once belonged to Charlie. He just figured out the
more obvious, that Mr. and Mrs. Weasley would buy him a new one. I doubt
him or any other of the professors go around repairing any single
thing that the students break.
santosh
And he actually benefited Ron by not fixing his old wand. It wasn't
really his and it was not working well even before it broke. That's why
Ron was really bad with spells through PS and CoS. He managed to get
his _own_ wand by PoA and his spell work really improved.
I think the same thing happened with Neville.
Toon
Toon
wrote:
Could be it never occurred to DD that the EW could be used that way.
Harry might have discovered a new use or it.
hanso...@hotmail.com
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:39:20 -0700 (PDT), hanson_m...@hotmail.com
While sharply put, I think that's fair comment. Well, maybe a little
unfair. The big picture in question very definitely does need to be
firmly in *somebody's* sights, else everybody suffers enormously. But
really, a broken wand? At that stage in the game? Such a thing became
serious when Ollivander disappeared, but we're talking about CoS here,
at a time when V was at an all-time low. How many hundreds (or
thousands?) of witches and wizards would have had such minor problems,
fixable only by Dumbledore? Should he have spent his time running
around the country mopping up everyone's little spills, or should he
have been doing exactly what he did do, which was to exert his
considerable intelligence against an apparently unbeatable foe who was
bound to rise again, greater and more terrible than before?
Dumbledore is aloof, yes, but justifiably so.
--
Mike.
Bill Blakely
<gammanormi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>santosh escribió:
>> x wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe rowling never thought of it.
>>
>> Yes of course. That possibility (even probability) is always there. But
>> we are debating story internal reasons she might have had. Certainly
>> it's better than sitting around twiddling your thumbs. :-)
>>
>
>Did DD know Ron's wand was broken? Did he ever find out?
I think the real question here is why was Ron allowed to use a
defective and potential dangerous wand all year and not required to
get a new one.
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Yeah. I got the impression Harry was just trying
out to see if it would work.
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Lyle Francis Delp
DD was doing that from the very beginning of the
books.
24x7eager
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:39:24 -0500, Drusilla
>
actually dumbledore considered ron a bit of a useless moron!!!
Alex Clark
> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
But it would have looked suspicious if Ron had carried an umbrella
around instead of a wand for the rest of his life. Besides, a pink
umbrella would have clashed with his hair.
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DaveD
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> Frodo.
Are you sure - I thought Dd got the Elder Wand when he beat Grindenwald in
the 1940s?
Though I grant you, I don't think JKR had thought of that plot twist at the
time (although obviously she did mention Gw so you never know...)
DaveD
DaveD
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Interesting - that's my opinion too, and whilst I don't know if there are
enough other people who also think so to call it a consensus, it does seem
to be a fairly widely held view.
For me, it was the Peverell ring/horcrux that seems to have been the first
strong possibility of a clue to the deathly hallows in an earlier book,
although even that could have been fortuitous, though she would have had to
provide a different explanation of why Dd put the ring on. Not that I think
it being a deathly hallow was a very convincing reason for Dd to have done
something so stupid...
However, I suspect JKR's linkage of the DH plot back to the earlier mention
of Grindenwald was just clever usage of a minor side-story - there wasn't
enough early detail to suggest anything stronger like it being a very early,
deliberately planted clue to the hallows.
DaveD
Welsh Dog
<de...@nystpen.gov> wrote:
>On 2008-06-13 10:49:48 -0400, Toon <to...@toon.com> said:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:01:34 +0530, santosh <santo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thomas Gagne wrote:
>>>> Hoshisato wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 10, 3:05 pm, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>>>>>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
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>> Could be it never occurred to DD that the EW could be used that way.
>> Harry might have discovered a new use or it.
>Yeah. I got the impression Harry was just trying
>out to see if it would work.
Also the number of people who would be the EW master *and* want to
repair a wand (especially their own) would be limited so maybe it just
wasn't ever tried.
Welshdog
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Shiral
> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>
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It would have interfered with the plot. If Ron's wand had been
working, Lockhart would have been able to remove Harry and Ron's
memories--instead Lockhart got zapped himself.
Melissa
Welsh Dog
wrote:
>On Jun 10, 7:05 am, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
>> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
>> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
>It would have interfered with the plot. If Ron's wand had been
>working, Lockhart would have been able to remove Harry and Ron's
>memories--instead Lockhart got zapped himself.
Yet DD *could* have fixed it for him after the events as a
'thank-you'!!
Shiral
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:00:27 -0700 (PDT), Shiral <shira...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >On Jun 10, 7:05 am, Thomas Gagne <tga...@wide-open-west.com> wrote:
> >> The Elder wand was able to repair Harry's in DH. It would have been
> >> nice for Dumbledore to "repairo" Ron's wand in COS.
> >It would have interfered with the plot. If Ron's wand had been
> >working, Lockhart would have been able to remove Harry and Ron's
> >memories--instead Lockhart got zapped himself.
>
> Yet DD *could* have fixed it for him after the events as a
> 'thank-you'!!
>
> Welshdog
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Well yes, he could. However I suspect perhaps JKR hadn't worked out
that bit of the plot, yet. Or maybe Dumbledore didn't want to
advertise ahead of time that he was the master of the Elder Wand. And
then there was the matter of it's being an old wand belonging to one
of his brothers. The wand chooses the wizard we're told. And perhaps
Dumbledore thought it would be better for Ron to have a new wand all
his own that had never belonged to anyone else.
Melissa
Toon
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>On Jul 5, 8:07 pm, Welsh Dog <welsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or he never knew he could do it. DD is not omniscient, omnipresent,
and omnipotent.
UN
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But he had to have known. Hagrid's wand was snapped in two when he was
expelled from Hogwarts. But yet he still has it, concealed in his
umbrella. So somehow it was repaired.
Shiral
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Ah, but do we know Hagrid's wand was ever repaired? There are
references to his "keeping the pieces" but it's never stated they were
repaired. Ron was a Hogwarts student in reasonably good standing who
simply happened to have a broken wand. Hagrid's wand had been broken
because of his expulsion. There must be some wizard law somewhere
against repairing the wand of an expelled witch or wizard.
Melissa
Yellow
> But he had to have known. Hagrid's wand was snapped in two when he was
> expelled from Hogwarts. But yet he still has it, concealed in his
> umbrella. So somehow it was repaired.
Yes, it has never been explained how Hagrid can do magic with a
"broken" wand and presumably it is the same wand as there is a reference
to his umbrella when Ollivander recalls selling the wand to him.
Toon
No, it was still broken. In the umbrella, the two halves are close
enough to perform some magic. It's partly why he wasn't allowed to do
magic, and partly why he failed at turning Dudley into a pig.
Toon
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>> > Or he never knew he could do it. DD is not omniscient, omnipresent,
>> > and omnipotent.
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>> But he had to have known. Hagrid's wand was snapped in two when he was
>> expelled from Hogwarts. But yet he still has it, concealed in his
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>Ah, but do we know Hagrid's wand was ever repaired? There are
>references to his "keeping the pieces" but it's never stated they were
>repaired. Ron was a Hogwarts student in reasonably good standing who
>simply happened to have a broken wand. Hagrid's wand had been broken
>because of his expulsion. There must be some wizard law somewhere
>against repairing the wand of an expelled witch or wizard.
>
Why even break it if the wizard can just get it repaired?
UN
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> On 06 Jul 2008 16:47:45 GMT, UN <U...@UN.UN> wrote:
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>>Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote in news:the174teeennrbvaojsjijp7qkakc2bf82@
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I figured the reason for his mis-spells, or not remembering how to do
them. Was after being expelled and having his wand broken, he obviously
was not able to continue his schooling and learn what he needed to be
good at being a wizard. Not being able to do it on a regular basis for
50 years, he would tend to forget some things. He was able to perform
spells, conjuring fire and water. With Ron's broken wand he was unable
to perform the simplest spells.
I think it was fixed and hid in his umbrella. But he was not able to
practice, because his wand was suppose to be broken. So more difficult
spells, like turning Dudley into a pig, he was never able to perfect.
Yellow
> Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote in news:pu3474h83t72cktrabl7k625smi55nbrqf@
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> >>But he had to have known. Hagrid's wand was snapped in two when he was
> >>expelled from Hogwarts. But yet he still has it, concealed in his
> >>umbrella. So somehow it was repaired.
> >
> > No, it was still broken. In the umbrella, the two halves are close
> > enough to perform some magic. It's partly why he wasn't allowed to do
> > magic, and partly why he failed at turning Dudley into a pig.
> >
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> I figured the reason for his mis-spells, or not remembering how to do
> them. Was after being expelled and having his wand broken, he obviously
> was not able to continue his schooling and learn what he needed to be
> good at being a wizard. Not being able to do it on a regular basis for
> 50 years, he would tend to forget some things. He was able to perform
> spells, conjuring fire and water. With Ron's broken wand he was unable
> to perform the simplest spells.
> I think it was fixed and hid in his umbrella. But he was not able to
> practice, because his wand was suppose to be broken. So more difficult
> spells, like turning Dudley into a pig, he was never able to perfect.
I thought he was banned from magic because he was expelled - simple as
that.
UN
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I don't think that you can fix a broken wand. One that is damaged, maybe
like Ron's was, can be repaired. But since it was never really "his"
wand Ron got a new one. When Harry's wand broke in DH, he asked
Ollivander if he could fix his wand. And Ollivander said he could not.
So maybe wands that are broken can not be repaired.
But they can be repaired by using the Elder wand. Which itself would be
a bad thing if the owner went around repairing broken wands. Then people
would know he had the Elder wand and would be coming after him. Which is
where Dumbledore fixed Hagrids wand for him after it was broken. But
concealed it in his umbrella so no one would know he still had it.
And since Hagrid was not allowed to perform magic, his wand was broken,
he never learned all the things wizards normally learn.
charlie08
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Hello all fellow witches and wizards alike. I am charlie the wand
maker. And I have to say I truely beleve that once a wand is broken
all it power is broken with it. In mending a wand with a spell you put
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And finally I still dont think you can mend a broken wand and I will
see you all here tomorrow to continue with this debate.
Love and light and all thats bright goes out to all witches and
wizards alike. Blessed be
white, fat and fugly
> sent to this address.
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> And finally I still dont think you can mend a broken wand and I will
> see you all here tomorrow to continue with this debate.
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> Love and light and all thats bright goes out to all witches and
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it's a bad craftsman who blames his tools.