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Rick Rollins

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Nov 19, 2001, 10:20:36 AM11/19/01
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A question about Book Five:


In the first four books, it mentions O.W.L.s several times.

The students have been getting more homework to prepare
themselves for their O.W.L.s which will be taken in the fifth
year.

In Book Four, Hermione states "I'd say Transfigure it, but something that
big, you really haven't got a hope, I doubt even Professor McGonagall ...
unless you're supposed to put the spell on yourself? Maybe to give yourself
extra powers? But they're not simple spells, I mean, we haven't done any of
those in class, I only know about them because I've been doing O.W.L.
practice papers...."

It seems to me that a major subject of Book Five has to be preparation for
and taking of the O.W.L.s. Knowing the way that JKR likes to give off these
subtle clues, does anyone besides me think that Harry's redemption from at
least one situation in Book Five will be related to him transfiguring
himself in some way ?

Rikke Bendlin

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Nov 19, 2001, 11:11:01 AM11/19/01
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I guess it's possible but then again. The thing about J.K. books are, that
even though you are aware of hints, you'll never know wheter they'll be used
or not... so... But it's a funny idea =)

- Rikke =)


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CRMpro

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Nov 19, 2001, 3:40:02 PM11/19/01
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In English schools kids have to take tests call "A" levels and "O" levels
before they can pass on to the next level. I'm guessing that OWLS are the
Hogwarts equivilant.

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Terry Eden

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Nov 19, 2001, 3:53:06 PM11/19/01
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"CRMpro" <eis...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> In English schools kids have to take tests call "A" levels and "O" levels
> before they can pass on to the next level. I'm guessing that OWLS are
the
> Hogwarts equivilant.

Gor-Blimey Guv'nor, it's been a merry ol' while since you were at school!

Nowadays the O[rdinary]-Level has been replaced with the GCSE [General
Certificate of Secondary Education].
Each child takes between 5 and 12 GCSEs (one in each subject) at the age of
16. After that, they can leave school for good, should they so desire.

Terry

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Nov 19, 2001, 4:12:45 PM11/19/01
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"Terry Eden" <T.E...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> "CRMpro" <eis...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:C6eK7.110466$zK1.27...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> > In English schools kids have to take tests call "A" levels and
"O" levels
> > before they can pass on to the next level. I'm guessing that
OWLS are
> the
> > Hogwarts equivilant.
>
> Gor-Blimey Guv'nor, it's been a merry ol' while since you were at
school!
>
> Nowadays the O[rdinary]-Level has been replaced with the GCSE
[General
> Certificate of Secondary Education].
> Each child takes between 5 and 12 GCSEs (one in each subject) at
the age of
> 16. After that, they can leave school for good, should they so
desire.

And the A-level has now been split up into two years: the AS-level,
first, equivalent to half an old A-level, and the A2, which
completes the qualification into the equivalent of the old A-level.

And that's all without considering NVQs, HNDs, vocational A-levels,
BTECs, etc., etc.!

Rosemary


John Fisher

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Nov 19, 2001, 7:33:28 PM11/19/01
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In article <9tbrfj$1l2r0$1...@ID-89774.news.dfncis.de>, Terry Eden
<T.E...@deadspam.com> writes

>"CRMpro" <eis...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:C6eK7.110466$zK1.27...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...

>> In English schools kids have to take tests call "A" levels and "O" levels
>> before they can pass on to the next level. I'm guessing that OWLS are
>the
>> Hogwarts equivilant.
>
>Gor-Blimey Guv'nor, it's been a merry ol' while since you were at school!
>
>Nowadays the O[rdinary]-Level has been replaced with the GCSE [General
>Certificate of Secondary Education].
>Each child takes between 5 and 12 GCSEs (one in each subject) at the age of
>16. After that, they can leave school for good, should they so desire.

In Scotland it's still O levels at sixteen, then Highers at seventeen.

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John Fisher jo...@drummond.demon.co.uk jo...@epcc.ed.ac.uk

Rugrat

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Nov 24, 2001, 2:49:46 PM11/24/01
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>> In English schools kids have to take tests call "A" levels and "O"
>> levels before they can pass on to the next level. I'm guessing that
>> OWLS are the Hogwarts equivilant.
>
> Gor-Blimey Guv'nor, it's been a merry ol' while since you were at
> school!
>
> Nowadays the O[rdinary]-Level has been replaced with the GCSE [General
> Certificate of Secondary Education].
> Each child takes between 5 and 12 GCSEs (one in each subject) at the
> age of 16. After that, they can leave school for good, should they so
> desire.

And if not, stay on for another 2 years to do A[dvanced]-levels. Usually
three, though some do only 2, and one friend of mine did 5. But he's doing
Medicine at Oxford now, so he's hardly a representative case.

At least, that was the case until this year, when the Government in their
all-knowing wisdom have invented something called A2 to replace A-levels. I
just escaped that, but by all accounts it's a bit of a cock-up.

NEWTs, of course, are the Hogwarts equivalent, though I suppose we should
really be comparing them to Scottish Highers, since that's where Hogwarts
is.

Rugrat

The 27th Paladin

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Nov 24, 2001, 9:54:53 PM11/24/01
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What's the U.K-Hogwarts equivalent of postgraduate work? You've got your
first degrees, like, say, Percy, but you're good - you're *really* good,
like Hermione, and you've got "Future Dumbledore Prize Winner" and a trip to
Stockholm written all over you...

I can't imagine someone with talent like Hermione's just stopping at age 17
or so. Do you think it's *all* practicum after Year 7? Do students like
Hermione simply get special attention and accelerated subject matter when
the instructors notice that they have real talent?
.
<slight GoF spoiler below>
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I wonder....Harry and Ron have shown no special aptitude for anything as
pupils - yet. Speculate that Harry's natural abililty as a Seeker -
reaction time, dexterity, thought-as-action - may make him the world's best
Wandslinger, ultimately quicker on the draw when it all goes wahooni-shaped,
as evidenced in GoF when he sees the incoming MoM Wizards and is able to get
himself, Ron, and Hermione on the ground before the massed STUPEFY! hits.
Give Harry a good, solid curse and he can probably out-draw Voldemort any
day...showdown at High Noon at the railway station. (This is a
stereotypically American line of thought, of course. No apologies.)

~T27P


Chris Share

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Nov 24, 2001, 11:35:34 PM11/24/01
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:54:53 GMT, The 27th Paladin
(paladin...@corelcity.com) said...

>What's the U.K-Hogwarts equivalent of postgraduate work? You've got your
>first degrees, like, say, Percy, but you're good - you're *really* good,
>like Hermione, and you've got "Future Dumbledore Prize Winner" and a trip to
>Stockholm written all over you...

Nope, NEWTs are like A-levels - the exams you do just before going to
university. Then you do the BA/BSc/whatever, then postgrad works like a
Masters or a PhD.
But I'd agree, there has to be something at university level... maybe
just apprenticeships (sp?)...

>I can't imagine someone with talent like Hermione's just stopping at age 17
>or so. Do you think it's *all* practicum after Year 7? Do students like
>Hermione simply get special attention and accelerated subject matter when
>the instructors notice that they have real talent?

Advanced learning while at Hogwarts seems quite likely. But something
after too...

a) They're called Aurors
b) That's what the Moody suggested in book 4...

chris

david e. g. meijer

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Nov 26, 2001, 6:02:44 PM11/26/01
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:35:34 -0000, Chris Share wrote:

>Nope, NEWTs are like A-levels - the exams you do just before going to
>university. Then you do the BA/BSc/whatever, then postgrad works like a
>Masters or a PhD.
>But I'd agree, there has to be something at university level... maybe
>just apprenticeships (sp?)...

if I missed your point, Im sorry, but didn´t JKR say, there were no
universities for witches/wizards?

Joseph Romagnano

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Nov 26, 2001, 6:39:43 PM11/26/01
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Yes she did. Which is why N.E.W.T.S. (Nastily Exhausting Wizarding
TestS) are the highest qualification Hogwarts offers. It seems that
after that it's up to you to start at the bottom and work your way up.

Joe :-)>

Chris Share

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Nov 26, 2001, 6:50:40 PM11/26/01
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:02:44 GMT, david e. g. meijer
(dazm...@yline.com) said...

Yes, that means there's no Wizard version of Cambridge. However that
doesn't mean there isn't any facility for teaching small groups beyond
NEWT level.
Hermione would doubtlessly go to uni if she was a muggle, and I'd guess
she wont stop learning just because school finishes...

chris

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