There'll be no Harry Potter in my home!
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com
youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
other non-christian activities.
In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
masonic lodge.)
Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
game.
There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
Sincerely,
Mr. Martin Johansen
http://www.geocities.com/martin.honore.johansen
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com
Scooter the Mighty
ohh-ohh_ohhh....@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
This is an old worn out troll. Think of something current.
Lee Oswald Ving
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
If you're trying to get on staff at The Onion, you'll have actually be
funny.
<snip>
jjj_...@hotmail.com
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
Froggy
<ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163023613.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Oh Sod off! It's just a book, what's the difference between Cinderella
where a woman needs a man to rescue her! For crying out loud!
--
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people
always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become
great. "
~Mark Twain~
Froggy
Greg G.
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
It's alarming that the bible makes adults believe that Harry Potter has
the power to bewitch their children.
--
Greg G.
I stepped on one of those fortune-telling scales. It said I was
intelligent, handsome, energetic, and resourceful. It had my weight
wrong, too.
David Canzi -- non-mailable
<ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>other non-christian activities.
It has nothing to do with the magic; it's because Harry wears
glasses. That's why so many of his fans become occulists.
--
David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
Troy
"Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163025429.1...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
No 33 Secretary
you use it?
--
"What is the first law?"
"To Protect."
"And the second?"
"Ourselves."
Terry Austin
No 33 Secretary
news:Xns9875A5E078BD8...@208.49.82.28:
And learn how to spell. And how to use commas and periods.
soup
> It has nothing to do with the magic; it's because Harry wears
> glasses. That's why so many of his fans become occulists
The person who deals with eyesight, glasses etc is an oCulist (one C)
--
www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nileh1ZPGq4
Harvest Dancer
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
>
> In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
> masonic lodge.)
Fascinating.
Let us assume the premise is correct. I said "assume" so there's no
need to start laughing yet.
Wouldn't the Harry Potter series lead one to the Western Ceremonial
Tradition, such as the Golden Dawn, instead of the more earth based
religion of Wicca? I mean, I've read the books and while obviously
fiction, they seem like there would be more sympathy there than
elsewhere.
Jason Harvestdancer
David Canzi -- non-mailable
soup <x...@invalid.com> wrote:
>David Canzi -- non-mailable wrote:
>
>> It has nothing to do with the magic; it's because Harry wears
>> glasses. That's why so many of his fans become occulists
>
>The person who deals with eyesight, glasses etc is an oCulist (one C)
I'm allowed to misspell on purpose -- I have an artistic license.
Timberwoof
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
>
> In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> cults, such as the Carthars
You mean the Cathars, also known as the Albigensians, a Christian sect
declared heretical. They were Christian and didn't influence Wicca.
> and the Knight Templars (branch of the
> masonic lodge.)
Hah! The Knights Templar are non-Christian? This is funny! They were a
Christian military order founded with the mission of protecting pilgrims
to Jerusalem after it was liberated by the Crusades. The problem was
that they got too powerful, so the Church declared them heretics and
ordered them all murdered on Friday, October 13th, 1307.
> Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
> already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
> action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
> defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
> play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
> Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
> there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
Oh, come off it. D&D is a healthy storytelling activity. It teaches
imagination, creativity, team play, morals and an enjoyment of
adventure.
> The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
> encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
> might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
> advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
> game.
The Malleus Maleficarum set up a self-perpetuating industry wherein
prosecutor-judge-executioners could steal people's wealth and then kill
them, all sanctioned by the Church for the Common Good.
> There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
> Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
> girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
> find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
> children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
Young people turning away from the evils perpetrated by the Christian
Church, such as the burning of Albigensians (the earliest protestants;
one of their beliefs was that one did not need a priest to ensure one's
entry into heaven), the murder of thousands of faithful warrior-monks,
and the burning alive of tens of thousands of innocent women, did not
begin with the publication of the Harry Potter novels.
And if you had read them at all , you'd know that the magic life isn't
much better than the one normal kids know. Rowling's imaginary world has
a government just as shady and corrupt as the mundane one.
You're being completely silly. Instead of misunderstanding a little
harmless make-believe (I bet you're one of those idiots who thinks that
the Christian holiday of All-Hallow's Eve [followed by All Hallows' Day
and All Souls Day] is actually satanic), why don't you work on some real
problems that kids face today? For instance, work at your church to help
married couples be successful in raising families, or volunteer at a
soup kitchen. Quit believing all this silly pagan/heretic crap.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.
Mark Nutter
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
People and institutions are most threatened by those things which are
enough like them to be competition. Politicians are threatened by rival
politicians. Actors feel threatened by other actors. Nations feel
threatened by other nations.
Christianity is threatened by a fictional fantasy intended for
children. What does that tell you?
m
Inez
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
If people were as easy as that to mind control, I'd rule the world by
now.
Sacqueboutier
>
> ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>> other non-christian activities.
>
> It's alarming that the bible makes adults believe that Harry Potter has
> the power to bewitch their children.
The Bible does no such thing. Their own innate superstition
does.
--
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
Lorentz
> might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
> advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
> game.
> http://www.geocities.com/martin.honore.johansen
Did Malleus Maleficarum replace Harry Potter in your home?
Alot of innocent people were burnt at the stake on account of
Malleus Maleficarum. It has been used as an authority for witchcraft
trials, many of them Protestant. Contrary to popular belief, it has
never been officially adapted by the Catholic Church and has been
condemned by many Christian institutions. It is full of fraud, and
started in fraud (claiming endorsement from the Pope that didn't
exist). Ironically, it may have helped preserve some of the pagan
beliefs the authors pretend to condemn.
Both Harry Potter and Malleus Maleficarum are occult make believe.
However, most readers know that Harry Potter is fiction. Many readers
of Malleus Maleficarum actually believed it (and apparently believe it
still), and have hurt hundreds to thousands of people.
rupert....@gmail.com
I used to be threatened by drunk homeless people yelling obscenties and
starting fights outside the mission house next door to my student digs.
BUT I had a home. Totally different.
>
> m
Father Haskell
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
>
> In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
> masonic lodge.)
Gardnerian witchcraft is a 20th century fabrication. It enherits (sic)
back no earlier than 1920.
> Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
> already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
> action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
> defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
> play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
> Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
> there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
>
> The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
> encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
> might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
> advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
> game.
>
> There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
> Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
> girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
> find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
> children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
The horror! Next thing, they'll be worshipping skyclad. Cover
your eyes lest you go blind. Better yet, put them out with
red hot knitting needles.
Desertphile
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
Christianity doesn't have any occultism? That's amazing! I had no idea
it was secular. Funny, but I seem to recall most Christians engaging in
occult practices.... I must have imagined it.
michael...@worldnet.att.net
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
If some nut predicts the future by reading tarot cards, that's
occultism. If fundamentalist nuts keep predicting the end of the world
on (date of your choice), they are christians in good standing.
Christian nutcases are OK, nonchristian nutcases have made a pact with
the devil. Or something like that, I guess.
When I was a kid, I knew all this blasphemy would threaten civilization
when I read "The Wizard of Oz," A "good" witch? Hey, let's throw her
in the river and see if she floats!
-- Mike Palmer
drusilla
Actually, JK Rowling would :)
Ferrous Patella
> And learn how to spell. And how to use commas and periods.
--
Ferrous Patella
"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."
Annual English Teachers' awards for best student
metaphors/analogies found in actual student papers
Pip R. Lagenta
The old classics are best.
>
--
內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,
Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta Pip R. Lagenta
�虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌
-- Pip R. Lagenta
President for Life
International Organization Of People Named Pip R. Lagenta
(If your name is Pip R. Lagenta, ask about our dues!)
<http://home.comcast.net/~galentripp/pip.html>
(For Email: I'm at home, not work.)
Timberwoof
"Mark Nutter" <manut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Have you seen the number of programs on cable TV devoted to debunking
that novel by Dan Brown? By all the attention "The Da Vinci Code" has
gotten from the fundies, one might think that he has stumbled upon some
very important secrets that they have to spend a lot of effort to
suppress again.
wrendragon
> Let us assume the premise is correct. I said "assume" so there's no
> need to start laughing yet.
>
> Wouldn't the Harry Potter series lead one to the Western Ceremonial
> Tradition, such as the Golden Dawn, instead of the more earth based
> religion of Wicca? I mean, I've read the books and while obviously
> fiction, they seem like there would be more sympathy there than
> elsewhere.
That is a good point. I can't speak for Wicca in general, but all the
practising Wiccans I know have a fairly free-flowing
whatever-works-for-this-moment sort of philosophy; I can't imagine them
putting up with such a solid and unbreakable set of magic laws such as
the ones that govern Harry Potter's world.
wrendragon
to three different groups, which confused me a great deal when I
recieved an email thanking me for posting to a group I'd never heard
of. :/
Inez
I would control her through a series of well designed fan letters.
Richard Smol
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
Like thinking.
RS
Matt
Timberwoof
"Inez" <savagem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is worthwhile mentioning that anyone who can get a roomful of kids to
sit quietly and pay attention to a full-length movie is doing something
right.
JFlexer
"Timberwoof" <timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote in message
news:timberwoof.spam-52...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
> In article <1163023620.2...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>> other non-christian activities.
>>
>> In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
>> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
>> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
>> cults, such as the Carthars
>
> You mean the Cathars, also known as the Albigensians, a Christian sect
> declared heretical. They were Christian and didn't influence Wicca.
>
>> and the Knight Templars (branch of the
>> masonic lodge.)
>
> Hah! The Knights Templar are non-Christian? This is funny! They were a
> Christian military order founded with the mission of protecting pilgrims
> to Jerusalem after it was liberated by the Crusades. The problem was
> that they got too powerful, so the Church declared them heretics and
> ordered them all murdered on Friday, October 13th, 1307.
They were too powerful and too wealthy. Undoubtedly, they had a strong
community and probably some secrets - but nothing has ever been produced to
prove them heretics... other than a "fiat" declaration by the church. As
you mention, the declartion of "heretic" was a very effective tool for the
church in the middle ages to either remove dissentors or claim wealth.
--
-J
** Keeper of Bette Midler and Betty Buckley **
John VanSickle
likely, the OP is a troll pretending to be a Bible-thumper in order to
trick people into holding a more negative view of Christians.
Regards,
John
Thom Madura
> On 2006-11-08 17:37:09 -0500, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>
>> ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>>> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>>> other non-christian activities.
>>
>>
>> It's alarming that the bible makes adults believe that Harry Potter has
>> the power to bewitch their children.
>
>
> The Bible does no such thing. Their own innate
Not innate - you have to be taught
superstition
> does.
>
Mark Isaak
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
Why is that alarming? Surely going into occultism and non-christian
activities is far, far more moral than supporting the group which, through
a 300-year program of systematic torture and murder, eliminated most of
Europe's earlier culture and literally demonized its reputation.
> In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
> masonic lodge.)
Impossible. Males still dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter
universe, whereas in the Wiccan culture which scares the piss out of you,
the knowledge and wisdom was preserved mainly by old women.
(But I don't blame you for being scared. Any eighty-year-old woman could
squash you like a bug.)
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
200...@wongfaye.com
buy all the books you can and burn them
it is up to god fearing parents to save all the children form this evil
influence since any god fearing person wouldnt shoplift the books they
must buy all they can to prevent impressionable minds read them
also you should check them out at your local library and claim them
lost and pay the fine
if you do not do this you are not following your beliefs and are a
hypocrite
he he he i think i got them the religion precludes stealing them to
burn them so they have to buy them and if they don't buy them they are
not stong in their convictions and are hypocrites
Chip Stobb
>It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>other non-christian activities.
>
>In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
>Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
>belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
>cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
>masonic lodge.)
>
>Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
>already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
>action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
>defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
>play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
>Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
>there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
>
>The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
>encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
>might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
>advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
>game.
>
>There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
>Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
>girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
>find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
>children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Mr. Martin Johansen
>http://www.geocities.com/martin.honore.johansen
Maybe if you bothered to read the books before making an asinine,
completely false statement as you have here you would be less ignorant
of the facts.
Not once in the Harry Potter series is Wicca - or any other religion
for that matter - mentioned at all. They DO celebrate Christian
holidays such as Christmas and Easter (not the politically-correct
'Winter holiday' and 'Spring break'). This leads us to make the
logical deduction that those in Rowling's made-up world are of the
same religious faiths as those in the real world.
If ignorance is bliss, you are truly in Nirvana.
- Chip Stobb
millia
Why do those religious nutcases bring this stuff up, then drag their
little darlings off to the latest Disney event, buy the latest Disney
toy and just Disney their heads off?
The man had to be the biggest pusher of witchcraft and magic ideology
in the history of mankind, Satan aside.
Maybe it's all the noise and primary colors.
gregwrld
Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <1163023620.2...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> > youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> > other non-christian activities.
> >
> > In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> > Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> > belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> > cults, such as the Carthars
>
> declared heretical. They were Christian and didn't influence Wicca.
...and the Cathars are thought to be derived from Arian Christianity
(converted
Goths, around 600ad) which was later supressed...fyi.
John Wilkins
> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <1163023620.2...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> > > youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> > > other non-christian activities.
> > >
> > > In essence the Harry Potter universe is based upon the teachings of
> > > Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> > > belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> > > cults, such as the Carthars
> >
> > You mean the Cathars, also known as the Albigensians, a Christian sect
> > declared heretical. They were Christian and didn't influence Wicca.
>
> ...and the Cathars are thought to be derived from Arian Christianity
> (converted
> Goths, around 600ad) which was later supressed...fyi.
No, the Cathars are a development of the Bogomir form of gnosticism,
which derives from the Paulician heresy, which is a late form of the
widespread gnsoticism of the late classical era.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Bob Casanova
talk.origins, posted by ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com:
>It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
>youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
>other non-christian activities.
<CrapSnip>
Posting the same ignorant rant 3 times doesn't make it true;
it just shows your lack of any sort of netiquette. Piss off
now...
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bobby Bryant
ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com writes:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
>
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> masonic lodge.)
>
> Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
> already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
> action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
> defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
> play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
> Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
> there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
>
> The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
> encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
> might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
> advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
> game.
>
> There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
> Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
> girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
> find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
> children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
Yeah, I believe all your claims.
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> Oh, come off it. D&D is a healthy storytelling activity. It teaches
> imagination, creativity, team play, morals and an enjoyment of
> adventure.
Not to mention correct techniques for killing zombies. Useful thing to
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Paul Ciszek
In article <pan.2006.11.10...@earthlink.net>,
Mark Isaak <eci...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Impossible. Males still dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter
>universe, whereas in the Wiccan culture which scares the piss out of you,
>the knowledge and wisdom was preserved mainly by old women.
Nothing was "preserved". The religion did not exist prior to the 1930's.
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Frodo Baggins
> yes the harry potter books are forged of satan and it is up to you to
> buy all the books you can and burn them
>
I dont know if I should slot this person as another moronic intolerant
or a very clever Bloomsbury shareholder!!!
Pithecanthropus Erectus
> In article <pan.2006.11.10...@earthlink.net>,
> Mark Isaak <eci...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Impossible. Males still dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter
>> universe, whereas in the Wiccan culture which scares the piss out of you,
>> the knowledge and wisdom was preserved mainly by old women.
>
> Nothing was "preserved". The religion did not exist prior to the 1930's.
>
What Gardner formalized is based on anthropolical studies of the
practices of the Pagani in Europe, before the RC destroyed natural
religions. The beliefs pre-date Gardner.
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> Paul Ciszek wrote:
> > In article <pan.2006.11.10...@earthlink.net>,
> > Mark Isaak <eci...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Impossible. Males still dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter
> >> universe, whereas in the Wiccan culture which scares the piss out of you,
> >> the knowledge and wisdom was preserved mainly by old women.
> >
> > Nothing was "preserved". The religion did not exist prior to the 1930's.
> >
>
> What Gardner formalized is based on anthropolical studies of the
> practices of the Pagani in Europe, before the RC destroyed natural
> religions. The beliefs pre-date Gardner.
>
And catholicism.
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Agent Smith
@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their youth
reading the Bible, are seduced into superstition and other anti-
scientific activities.
Paul Ciszek
In article <VsKdndQTHvSuhebY...@comcast.com>,
Pithecanthropus Erectus <notphalennotwe...@oohay.com> wrote:
>Paul Ciszek wrote:
>> In article <pan.2006.11.10...@earthlink.net>,
>> Mark Isaak <eci...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Impossible. Males still dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter
>>> universe, whereas in the Wiccan culture which scares the piss out of you,
>>> the knowledge and wisdom was preserved mainly by old women.
>>
>> Nothing was "preserved". The religion did not exist prior to the 1930's.
>
>What Gardner formalized is based on anthropolical studies of the
>practices of the Pagani in Europe, before the RC destroyed natural
>religions. The beliefs pre-date Gardner.
Sigh. I've gone this route before...
Who were these pre-Christian Wiccans? Where did they live? Which
langauge family did they belong to?
I have read about several pre-Roman (more applicable than pre-Christian
in this context, I think) European cultures, and *none* of them even
*remotely* resemble Wiccans.
The Germanic tribes enjoyed fighting wars and eating meat, and had
pretty well-defined gender roles (yeah, women got to fight or even rule
occassionally, but it was notable precisely because of its rarity).
Most of the important gods in their pantheon were male. And they didn't
separate their trash for recycling.
From what little I have been able to read about the Slavic pantheon,
they were no more Wiccan than the Teutons.
The Greeks and Romans? Don't make me laugh. The Greeks gave us the
pentagram, that's about as Wiccan as they got.
Ah, but the Celts! Surely the Celts were the peaceful, matriarchal,
vegetarian culture that practiced Wicca? Nope. While women were
considerably better off in Celtic societies than in Greek or Roman
ones (that ain't saying much), men seemed to mostly hold the leadership
positions. Queens like Bodicea were the exception, not the rule.
Again, they were fond of warfare--the Irish claimed to have defeated
their *own gods* in battle, fercryinoutloud. Celtic imagery and names
are popular among Wiccans, but "THE Goddess" central to Wicca has no
counterpart in the Celtic pantheon. Many gods and goddesses, but no
"THE Goddess".
At this point in the argument, someone usually points to the Venus of
Willendorf. *That* culture predates not just Christianity, but every
historical European culture; it got pretty thoroughly anihilated by the
ancestors of the cultures I mentioned above. If anything from the
neolithic survived in secret, it had to be kept a secret throughout not
just 2000 years of Christianity, but millenia of Indo-European culture
before that. You can claim Wicca is based on pre-Indo-European cultures,
but you might as well claim that pre-Indo-European cultures voted
Republican. We know very little about them that would confirm or deny
any claim made about their beliefs. Yes, the figure of a pregnant woman
must have been important to some of these cultures, as they seem to have
carved a large number of them. But we know nothing else of the religion.
Now, proponents of oral tradition like to claim that oral traditions
preserve things for many thousands of years without distortion, but so
what? Proponents of Biblical inerrency will gladly point you to a verse
in the Bible that says that it is inerrent. Both claims are circular.
So, I repeat my question: Which culture practiced Wicca? Where did
they live and when?
"THE Goddess" is a purely a twentieth century invention. Even Marija
Gimbutus does not support the claim of a single dominant goddess, and
she's about the most Wicca-friendly anthropologist you're going to find.
Harvest Dancer
Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
out of our ass.
Jason Harvestdancer
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<snip>
that was fun
i've seen a lot of odd posts
and perhaps even written a few.
but the quadruplicate posting of this
anti-Potter soliloquy is ... something.
if only we could give them some
Veritaserum and ask them their
true motivation, instead of wasting
time guessing.
Paul Ciszek
In article <1166053242....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Paul Ciszek wrote:
>>
>> So, I repeat my question: Which culture practiced Wicca? Where did
>> they live and when?
>>
>> "THE Goddess" is a purely a twentieth century invention. Even Marija
>> Gimbutus does not support the claim of a single dominant goddess, and
>> she's about the most Wicca-friendly anthropologist you're going to find.
>
>Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
>wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
>out of our ass.
So, can you answer my question? Where and when did the pre-Christian
Wiccans live? Can they be identified with any culture or language group
known to history or archeology?
Duke
embarrassing for the rest of us decent church-going folk who know that
the real problem for today's kids are often their parents, not Potter.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <elqau8$oh2$1...@reader2.panix.com>):
>
> In article <1166053242....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Paul Ciszek wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I repeat my question: Which culture practiced Wicca? Where did
>>> they live and when?
>>>
>>> "THE Goddess" is a purely a twentieth century invention. Even Marija
>>> Gimbutus does not support the claim of a single dominant goddess, and
>>> she's about the most Wicca-friendly anthropologist you're going to find.
>>
>> Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
>> wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
>> out of our ass.
>
> So, can you answer my question? Where and when did the pre-Christian
> Wiccans live?
They lived a long, long time ago in a galaxy that's far, far, FAR away.
> Can they be identified with any culture or language group
> known to history or archeology?
They're Jedi. _Klingon_ Jedi. Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam. Qapla'.
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ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
You're right. The "Left Behind" books and video games are much more
wholesome
entertainment.
Stuart
Bert
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> I hate to cross-post, but this nut-bar article may be of interest....
>
> I know it's wrong to laff at the insane or the stupid. But in this
> case I can't resist. It's amazing, but these wackos are 100%
> serious... They'd probably kill the brothers Grimm if they were
> alive today.
>
> The "Hidden Dangers" of Harry Potter:
> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/hpmain.html
>
>
Hmmmm.... An interesting read and confirms my opinion that religion is a
mental illness that should be treated at as young an age as possible.
Curious misquotings from the HP books though, especially as they make no
obvious difference to the points being made.
Bert
And how do these people know that green is satan's favourite colour? I
wonder if they know god's favourite colour.....
John Wilkins
Are they the ones that greet each other with "May the Force Be Used"?
SeppoP
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J.J. O'Shea
(in article <1hqca3y.1a0n8x71i0q8v6N%j.wil...@uq.edu.au>):
> J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:55:20 -0500, Paul Ciszek wrote
>> (in article <elqau8$oh2$1...@reader2.panix.com>):
>>
>>>
>>> In article <1166053242....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Paul Ciszek wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I repeat my question: Which culture practiced Wicca? Where did
>>>>> they live and when?
>>>>>
>>>>> "THE Goddess" is a purely a twentieth century invention. Even Marija
>>>>> Gimbutus does not support the claim of a single dominant goddess, and
>>>>> she's about the most Wicca-friendly anthropologist you're going to find.
>>>>
>>>> Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
>>>> wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
>>>> out of our ass.
>>>
>>> So, can you answer my question? Where and when did the pre-Christian
>>> Wiccans live?
>>
>> They lived a long, long time ago in a galaxy that's far, far, FAR away.
>>
>>> Can they be identified with any culture or language group
>>> known to history or archeology?
>>
>> They're Jedi. _Klingon_ Jedi. Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam. Qapla'.
>
> Are they the ones that greet each other with "May the Force Be Used"?
>
HIja'.
drusilla
> Col. Angus [bigm...@deepsouth.org] said:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> I hate to cross-post, but this nut-bar article may be of interest....
>>
>> I know it's wrong to laff at the insane or the stupid. But in this
>> case I can't resist. It's amazing, but these wackos are 100%
>> serious... They'd probably kill the brothers Grimm if they were
>> alive today.
>>
>> The "Hidden Dangers" of Harry Potter:
>> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/hpmain.html
>>
>>
>
> Hmmmm.... An interesting read and confirms my opinion that religion is a
> mental illness that should be treated at as young an age as possible.
Well, I chose to not participate in religion posts, but it happens that
I am Catholic and I don't think I suffer from any mental illness, you
know? I don't either go around calling names to groups just because some
participants might be nuts.
> Curious misquotings from the HP books though, especially as they make no
> obvious difference to the points being made.
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I've always thought Satan's colour was red. You learn everyday :)
Thom Madura
ANd I always thought that Satan's color was Black - of course I go back
to before the days of color TV.
Bert
> Bert escribió:
> > Col. Angus [bigm...@deepsouth.org] said:
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> I hate to cross-post, but this nut-bar article may be of interest....
> >>
> >> I know it's wrong to laff at the insane or the stupid. But in this
> >> case I can't resist. It's amazing, but these wackos are 100%
> >> serious... They'd probably kill the brothers Grimm if they were
> >> alive today.
> >>
> >> The "Hidden Dangers" of Harry Potter:
> >> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/hpmain.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hmmmm.... An interesting read and confirms my opinion that religion is a
> > mental illness that should be treated at as young an age as possible.
>
> Well, I chose to not participate in religion posts, but it happens that
> I am Catholic and I don't think I suffer from any mental illness, you
> know? I don't either go around calling names to groups just because some
> participants might be nuts.
I simply expressed my own personal opinion and quantified it as such and
I did not call anyone names.
But be assured, I find your religion at least as offensive as you find
my opinion of it so I guess that, excepting that your religion hurts
mankind more than my derisory opinion of it ever will, makes us quits.
Paul Ciszek
In article <elqau8$oh2$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>In article <1166053242....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
>>wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
>>out of our ass.
>
>So, can you answer my question? Where and when did the pre-Christian
>Wiccans live? Can they be identified with any culture or language group
>known to history or archeology?
Still waiting for a straight answer.
Many Wiccans willing to claim that Wicca comes from some sort of
pre-Christian European society, not one who is willing to point
to that society.
Hell, can anyone even identify a single pre-Christian European
society that used "An it harm none..." as a guiding principle?
The Greeks, Romans, Slavs, Celts, Germanii, and Finns all revered
and wrote sagas about guys who were particularly good at harming
others.
Kermit
Paul Ciszek wrote:
> In article <elqau8$oh2$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
> Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >In article <1166053242....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >Harvest Dancer <harves...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Someone knows only fluffy-bunny-llewellynite-silver-ravenwolf-newage
> >>wiccans, and not the rest of us who are actually able to pull our head
> >>out of our ass.
> >
> >So, can you answer my question? Where and when did the pre-Christian
> >Wiccans live? Can they be identified with any culture or language group
> >known to history or archeology?
>
> Still waiting for a straight answer.
>
> Many Wiccans willing to claim that Wicca comes from some sort of
> pre-Christian European society, not one who is willing to point
> to that society.
>
> Hell, can anyone even identify a single pre-Christian European
> society that used "An it harm none..." as a guiding principle?
> The Greeks, Romans, Slavs, Celts, Germanii, and Finns all revered
> and wrote sagas about guys who were particularly good at harming
> others.
I also find it unlikely that a religious belief system could survive
for long underground in a dominant Christian culture. I would expect
to see, for the few generations they *did survive, to show rapid
deviation from an earlier norm for the ethnic group. Analogous to
punctuated equilibrium for memes.
If there were any surviving remnants, I would not expect to see much
continuity from ancient dominant cultures to surviving bands or
families in near-modern times. It may be that psychological needs
sometimes encouraged a "recreation" of old beliefs in various people
and peoples thru the centuries.
As for any incompatibility with "An it harm none" with actual ancient
behavior, imagine a future culture in which Christianity has fallen out
of favor and is then revived or recreated. How close a fit could we
expect between the Golden Rule and historical records of Christian
behavior?
IIRC, there was an underground society of Jews in China , numbering a
couple of hundred, who worshipped more or less in the old ways, but
they were few in number and had no books. There were larger communities
of Jews in China that existed for centuries (e.g. Kaifeng), but they
were not officially oppressed, nor underground.
Whenever a new dynasty was established in China, underground groups
supporting the last throne invariably were established, and it seems as
tho they all degenerated into mafia-type organizations after a few
generations ("tong").
I find it unlikely that underground medieval European pagans were
keeping good records for the historians. How could we tell the
difference between a 20th century made-up new-age pseudo-pagan group,
from an older pseudo-pagan group recreated in the eighteenth century,
from an easily mutated one that did somehow maintain continuity from
the ninth century?
I would *not expect to find a large tribe or country that maintained
pre-Christian practices in the history books. That's rather an unfair
expectation, isn't it? Rather like a creationist demanding to see a *
complete* transitional fossil record, presumably one example form every
generation, and all in the same place.
>
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Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <1163087791.7...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Inez" <savagem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > drusilla wrote:
> > > Inez escribió:
> > > > ohh-ohh_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> > > >> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> > > >> other non-christian activities.
> > > >
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, JK Rowling would :)
> >
> > I would control her through a series of well designed fan letters.
>
> It is worthwhile mentioning that anyone who can get a roomful of kids to
> sit quietly and pay attention to a full-length movie is doing something
> right.
Forget the movie. Think of a room full of kids sitting quietly reading
a 400-page book!
Chris
>
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Paul Ciszek
In article <1166212264.8...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Kermit <unrestra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I would *not expect to find a large tribe or country that maintained
>pre-Christian practices in the history books. That's rather an unfair
>expectation, isn't it? Rather like a creationist demanding to see a *
>complete* transitional fossil record, presumably one example form every
>generation, and all in the same place.
But my original question was asking for something much, much simpler:
Can the Wiccan religion be identified with the religion of any pre-
Christian European society known to history or archeology?
"I don't know" would be a perfectly honest anwer to that question, but
it's not an answer I've heard so far. Of the people who've answered
various forms of "yes", not one has pointed out the culture in question.
And we don't need a large tribe to have maintained pre-Christian
practices throughout the entire Christian era. We have records of
most of the larger tribes that were in Europe at the time that the Roman
Empire, and later Christianity, homogenized the cultures. Present day
Wicca is not a secret religion. I am asking someone who is knowledgeable
about both of these topics to point out a connection and make a case for
it. To extend your fossil record analogy, identifying current species
with their distant ancestors across gaps in the fossil record is all part
of what makes paleontology so interesting.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <em4mau$8hv$1...@reader2.panix.com>):
> And we don't need a large tribe to have maintained pre-Christian
> practices throughout the entire Christian era. We have records of
> most of the larger tribes that were in Europe at the time that the Roman
> Empire, and later Christianity, homogenized the cultures. Present day
> Wicca is not a secret religion. I am asking someone who is knowledgeable
> about both of these topics to point out a connection and make a case for
> it.
They simply can't do it. They're Jedi. Klingon Jedi. Or might as well be.
Unless, of course, someone, anyone, can produce an alternative answer?
> To extend your fossil record analogy, identifying current species
> with their distant ancestors across gaps in the fossil record is all part
> of what makes paleontology so interesting.
That it is. And that's exactly why you will _never_ get your straight answer.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
> Males dominate as teachers in the Harry Potter universe.
That's not true, Mark.
SIX subjects (Arithmancy, Astronomy, Divination, Herbology,
Quidditch, and Transfiguration) are taught by females.
Only THREE subjects (Charms, History of Magic, and Potions)
are taught exclusively by males.
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> It's an alarming fact, that more and more teenagers, who spend their
> youth reading Harry Potter books, are seduced into occultism and
> other non-christian activities.
> Gerald Gardner, the founder of the Wicca religion, which is a witch
> belief system that enherits back from pre-christian Europes heretical
> cults, such as the Carthars and the Knight Templars (branch of the
> masonic lodge.)
> Before parents will notice Potters influence, the son/daughter might
> already have begun to fiddle with occultism, and the need to take
> action becomes thus yet more urgent. If a daughter is caught in
> defiling her own body, or a son is found to posses "magic-cards" or
> play roleplaying games, there very well be a reason to suspect Harry
> Potter reading. Ofcourse if Potter reading already is a know activity,
> there is no doubt but to call an exorcist in case of these symptoms.
> The child may at first deny all occult activities, but this should just
> encourage parents to be that even harcher in the interrogation! It
> might be the Devil that splits her tongue, and you could try seeking
> advice in Malleus Maleficarum on how to put her checkmate in her own
> game.
> There have been several teenagegirls who have been lead astray by
> Potter, but have been guided on right course by loving adults. Some
> girls have slipped thrugh the fingers of unvigilant parents, who didn't
> find it important to dicipline and strenghten the morals of their
> children, and these girls have become goth/wicca-witch.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mr. Martin Johansen
> http://www.geocities.com/martin.honore.johansen
You sir, are an idiot.
The Harry Potter universe is NOT based on Wicca.
And going further, now that we know the end of the story via
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, we now can see that
the entire story arc is an allegory of Christian sacrifice.
Think about it. Where do Hogwarts students depart for school?
King's Cross Station. KING's CROSS!!! Do you think that's just
coincidence? No. It was intentional.
In an interview, when asked what her religious beliefs, JK Rowling
didn't answer, saying that it would give up the end of the story.
Harry sacrificed himself. Was killed by the evil one, and returned.
His willing sacrifice ended up protecting all of his friends.
Sound familiar?
I remember back in the day, hearing devout Christians saying that
there is no such thing as a good witch or wizard. Well....c'mon!
There is no such things as witches or wizards....period!
There are just people who subscribe to certain occult religions
who call themselves witches. But, they can't do magic.
Please be rational and look at science.
Igenlode Wordsmith
>Think about it. Where do Hogwarts students depart for school?
>King's Cross Station. KING's CROSS!!! Do you think that's just
>coincidence? No. It was intentional.
and the North depart from :-)
I mean, it had to be either King's Cross (named for the Eleanor Cross
put up by a grieving king to commemorate the passage of his dead wife's
coffin) or St Pancras station, which is even more explicitly 'Christian'
as a name... as the old joke goes, "St George for England -- St Pancras
for Scotland"!
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