How did Snape know?
Smiley
Snape knew that Harry and Ron had taken the car because he saw an article
about a car sighting in the Daily Prophet. But how could Snape have
possibly connected the car with them? Nobody else knew that the Weasley's
had a flying car, and nobody saw them arrive in the car. The car itself had
disapeared, the only evidence of it's having been there being the damaged
Whomping Willow (which seems a little inconclusive).
It seems like quite a stretch for Snape to connect a report of a flying car
by muggles with Harry and Ron, doesn't it?
Brandon Davie
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Two things:
They werent on the train and they entered late for the sorting ceremony.
Frank White
Harry and Ron hadn't come by the train, but there they were, on
the grounds of Hogwarts. The flying car had been reported
heading north, in the direction of Hogwarts. The Willow
probably made a lot of noise beating on the car, which is probably
what attracted Snape's attention to it in the first place; and
he may well have found bits of the car and the tire tracks it
left behind by the Willow. But most of all...
It involved Harry.
Snape doesn't have to strain very hard to connect rule breaking
and general mayhem with Harry.
Not hard at all.
FW
Smiley
>
> They werent on the train and they entered late for the sorting ceremony.
>
That doesn't mean they came by car though - Snape had very little evidence,
he had a sighting of the car and the fact that Harry and Ron weren't on the
train. It may be enough to suspect something, but the evidence is much too
tenuous to be considered proof. Yet Snape didn't ASK them if their arrival
had anything to do with the sighting of the car, he'd already come to that
conclusion as though it were inevitable.
James J. Dominguez
On 29 Nov 2002, Frank White shared this:
> It involved Harry.
> Snape doesn't have to strain very hard to connect rule breaking
> and general mayhem with Harry.
Exactly what I was thinking. We're talking about Snape wanting Harry
to get in trouble. Proof? HA!
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Kevin Karpenske
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> Just thinking about the Chamber of Secrets.
>
> Snape knew that Harry and Ron had taken the car because he saw an
> article about a car sighting in the Daily Prophet. But how could
> Snape have possibly connected the car with them?
-quote:CoS-
"I noticed, in my search of the park, that considerable damage seems to
have been done to a very valuable Whomping Willow," Snape went on.
-/quote-
He knew that the car had hit the Whomping Willow. He therefore knew that
it had been flown onto the Hogwarts grounds.
Harry and Ron were the only 2 students to arrive late. It's pretty
obvious that they arrived in the car.
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Smiley
> it had been flown onto the Hogwarts grounds.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to quote that, I did mention in my
original post about the damage to the Whomping Willow. There was still no
evidence that the damage was caused by a car, nor was there much evidence
linking Harry and Ron to the scene.
In any case, I realize that Snape's smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and
could have easily come up with a suspicion about the boys flying the car to
Hogwarts - but he acted like it was a car was a foregone conclusion, and
there was nowhere near enough evidence for that.
R. Tursi
grandparents on his dad's side(both retired cops) suspected my cousin
of flipping the car they'd given him, and then getting it fixed
without ever telling them. (they suspected this mearly because they
knew he had the car taken in for, "work" and the pinstripe was removed
when it came back.) Bill (his grandpa) casually said, "So, how did you
turn the car on it's side?" My cousin replied with something along the
lines of, "How did you find out? And it was flipped, not turned on its
side." A neat trick to get someone to admit to something by acting
like you actually know something about it. Of course, I think it's a
horrible thing to pull on your own grandkid... I never said I liked
cops though.
-Roe
"Smiley" <gu...@intrasof.com> wrote in message news:<uudqc2c...@corp.supernews.com>...
Impmon
>It seems like quite a stretch for Snape to connect a report of a flying car
>by muggles with Harry and Ron, doesn't it?
Well, Harry and Ron were sneaking around when they were supposed to be
in the Great Hall already. Snape just assumed the two had something to
do with the flying car and both didn't even try to hide that, which only
supported Snape's suspicion.
Jeff C
<mcd...@optushome.NOcom.SPAMau> wrote:
>
>On 29 Nov 2002, Frank White shared this:
>> It involved Harry.
>> Snape doesn't have to strain very hard to connect rule breaking
>> and general mayhem with Harry.
>
> Exactly what I was thinking. We're talking about Snape wanting Harry
>to get in trouble. Proof? HA!
Not to mention that there are lots of windows in Hogwarts, and the
willow took quite a while (both in the book and the movie) to bash the
car. That's quite enough time to hear the uproar (and the approaching
car, for that matter), run to a window and watch the goings on.
--
Jeff C
Trond Michelsen
The car was spotted several places from London to Hogwarts. Something
heavy had damaged the Whomping Willow from above. It's not a very big
stretch to assume that the flying car had made its way to
Hogwarts. True, Snape did not have a__ th_ pi_c_s to th_ puzz__ y_t,
but it wouldn't require a genius to understand what had happened.
--
tm
Michelle Smith
>he had a sighting of the car and the fact that Harry and Ron weren't on the
>train. It may be enough to suspect something, but the evidence is much too
>tenuous to be considered proof. Yet Snape didn't ASK them if their arrival
>had anything to do with the sighting of the car, he'd already come to that
>conclusion as though it were inevitable.
>
think Filch may have told him.
Michelle Smith
"Look at your TAIL!" ~Ron Weasley, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Michelle Smith
ING FORD ANGLIA MYSTIFIES MUGGLES. He began to read
aloud: "Two Muggles in London, convinced they saw an old car
flying over the Post Office tower ... at noon in Norfolk, Mrs.
Hetty Bayliss, while hanging out her washing ... Mr. Angus Fleet,
of Peebles, reported to police ... Six or seven Muggles in all. I be
lieve your father works in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office?"
he said, looking up at Ron and smiling still more nastily. "Dear,
dear ... his own son. . . "
Harry felt as though he'd just been walloped in the stomach by
one of the mad tree's larger branches. If anyone found out Mr.
Weasley had bewitched the car ... he hadn't thought of that ....
"I noticed, in my search of the park, that considerable damage
Snape went on.
Michelle Smith
Smiley
they'd stopped to think about it, they'd realize that he really didn't have
much evidence - but they were panicked and came out with the story thinking
that they were already caught! :)
> Maybe Snape is just showing a little cop mentality....
> ... A neat trick to get someone to admit to something by acting
Smiley
I don' t think so.... I'm pretty sure it was only spotted in London - I'll
go back and check.
Smiley
> willow took quite a while (both in the book and the movie) to bash the
> car. That's quite enough time to hear the uproar (and the approaching
> car, for that matter), run to a window and watch the goings on.
I really don't think anybody heard. The sorting ceremony was undisturbed -
if they had all heard the commotion and rushed to the window, the teachers
wouldn't easily be able to tear all the students away from the sight
quickly. Plus, when Hermione met up with them she said there was a 'rumor'
about them arriving in a flying car. If it was actually witnessed by the
entire school, it would be far more than a rumor.
Trond Michelsen
They were spotted in London, Norfolk and Peebles. Peebles is a little
bit south of Edinburgh.
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tm
Thorsten Schier
Smiley schrieb:
>
> Actually, I think that's the most reasonable theory I've heard Roe. If
> they'd stopped to think about it, they'd realize that he really didn't have
> much evidence - but they were panicked and came out with the story thinking
> that they were already caught! :)
>
They _were_ caught. How on earth could they have explained, how they got
to Hogwarts after they missed the train?
Thorsten
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(Theodosius Dobzhansky)
Kevin Karpenske
news:uueoqef...@corp.supernews.com:
How about tire tracks in the dirt. It's not hard to see where a car has
driven off-road.
Smiley
> to Hogwarts after they missed the train?
They weren't even given the chance to come up with an alternative
explanation. They were caught being at Hogwarts without taking the train,
but they weren't caught with the flying car.
Smiley
> driven off-road.
Did you miss the fact that it's a flying car? It only touched down briefly
to dump Harry, Ron, and all their stuff then flew off again!
Brandon Davie
right to state it, but with the evidence that SO many people have brought to
your face you would think that you would have changed your mind. It's like
you won't even think about the evidence until your at gunpoint. (Sorry for
being too harsh)
Brandon Davie
attacked? Maybe in the movie (havent seen it) but not in the book, the
branches would knock anything out of the air and make it hit the ground if
it wasn't balanced, and clearly a car in the air isn't.
Brandon Davie
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Oh and it DRIVED into the forbidden forest, be true to the book, NOT the
movie.
Brandon Davie
With an earsplitting bang of metal on wood, they hit the thick tree trunk
and dropped to the GROUND with a HEAVY JOLT
</quote>
Fish Eye no Miko
> Oh and it DRIVED into the forbidden forest, be true to the book,
> NOT the movie.
It drove into the Forbidden Forest in the movie, as well.
Catherine Johnson.
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Kevin Karpenske
> How long are you going to go on? I know this is your opinion and you
> have a right to state it, but with the evidence that SO many people
> have brought to your face you would think that you would have changed
> your mind. It's like you won't even think about the evidence until
> your at gunpoint. (Sorry for being too harsh)
Indeed. The question posed was: "How did Snape know?"
Well, here's a dozen different ways in which Snape could have known. Any
one of them could be the correct answer - the point is, there is
*certainly* an answer, and it's most likely the simplest explanation.
Thorsten Schier
Smiley schrieb:
If they had an explanation, they could have provided it.
Brandon Davie
"Fish Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Karpenske
>> Oh and it DRIVED into the forbidden forest, be true to the book, NOT
>> the movie.
>
> <quote>
> With an earsplitting bang of metal on wood, they hit the thick tree
> trunk and dropped to the GROUND with a HEAVY JOLT
> </quote>
Also, the broken glass and chipped paint (which may perhaps also be on
the willow's branches) would be a dead giveaway.
Michelle Smith
they?
If "they" (JKR) had to put a detailed explanation for every little effing thing
that didn't really need it, that anyone with the slightest sense of logic could
do the painfully simple math on, she'd .. sorry, "they'd" still be working on
the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Freaking Stone!!!
Michelle Smith
"Look at your TAIL!" ~Ron Weasley, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
"Dammit, Jim! I'm an astronomer, not a doctor!" ~Dr. Doppler, Treasure Planet
Kevin Karpenske
news:20021130150138...@mb-fc.aol.com:
>> If they had an explanation, they could have provided it.
>
> they?
>
> If "they" (JKR) had to put a detailed explanation for every little
> effing thing that didn't really need it, that anyone with the
> slightest sense of logic could do the painfully simple math on, she'd
> .. sorry, "they'd" still be working on the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's
> Freaking Stone!!!
I'm pretty sure "they" was referring to Harry and Ron. "They" didn't
have an explanation for why they had arrived late, which is why "they"
didn't provide one.
Brandon Davie
"Kevin Karpenske" <s...@my.sig> wrote in message
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Well, they did have a explanation that they arrived late: they missed the
train because the platform didnt alow them to go through.
Kevin Karpenske
>> I'm pretty sure "they" was referring to Harry and Ron. "They" didn't
>> have an explanation for why they had arrived late, which is why
>> "they" didn't provide one.
>
> Well, they did have a explanation that they arrived late: they missed
> the train because the platform didnt alow them to go through.
Yes, but the question that was asked was: why didn't Harry and Ron lie
about it, and say they *weren't* the ones who had taken the car?
Needless to say, it was not an easy situation to lie their way out of...
and if they *had* lied, and had afterward been proved to have been
lying, I think the likelihood of their being expelled (or at least
suspended) would have taken a remarkable up-turn.
Trond Michelsen
>> I'm pretty sure "they" was referring to Harry and Ron. "They" didn't
>> have an explanation for why they had arrived late, which is why "they"
>> didn't provide one.
> Well, they did have a explanation that they arrived late: they missed the
> train because the platform didnt alow them to go through.
No, that's the explanation for not being on the train. They do not
have any explanation for how they *arrived* late. There may be many
other ways of getting to Hogwarts, but Harry and Ron sure didn't
manage to think of anyone.
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tm
Brandon Davie
"Kevin Karpenske" <s...@my.sig> wrote in message
Oh, sorry.
Fish Eye no Miko
news:m2ptsmk...@trondmm.a.sol.no...
> "Brandon Davie" <bda...@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
>
> > Well, they did have a explanation that they arrived late: they
> > missed the train because the platform didnt alow them to go
> > through.
>
> No, that's the explanation for not being on the train. They do not
> have any explanation for how they *arrived* late. There may be
> many other ways of getting to Hogwarts, but Harry and Ron sure
> didn't manage to think of anyone.
Yes they did--taking a flying car. ^_^
Catherine Johnson.
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Smiley
a
> right to state it, but with the evidence that SO many people have brought
to
> your face you would think that you would have changed your mind. It's like
> you won't even think about the evidence until your at gunpoint. (Sorry for
> being too harsh)
Now hold on a second, I'm only exploring all the options here - some people
have brought up good points that I wanted to explore. Besides, is there
something wrong with playing devil's advocate?
Sirius Kase
<gu...@intrasof.com> wrote:
Just looking out the window and seeing that something was going on
would be enough to start a rumor. It was dark so they wouldn't get a
good look at what was going on or who was involved, but it could be
deduced by the fact that Harry and Ron weren't in the Great Hall that
they were the somebodies involved.
Or Snape could have started the rumor, all he has is circumstantial
evidence but it is strong, enough to get the boys into detention
without resistance, but not enough to get Arthur in trouble with the
law. Political trouble maybe, but not legal trouble.
Whatever, by the time the boys got to the common room, everyone seemed
to know.
sirus kase
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Tom Felton: We're not really enemies. We love each other really.
Sirius Kase
<gu...@intrasof.com> wrote:
Simple answer: He looked at the circumstances, stated the most obvious
explanation without absolute proof, but Harry and Ron didn't dispute
which confirmed his suspicians. It might have been a bluff, but it
worked.
sirius kase
Tim Bruening
Smiley wrote:
> Just thinking about the Chamber of Secrets.
>
> Snape knew that Harry and Ron had taken the car because he saw an article
> about a car sighting in the Daily Prophet. But how could Snape have
> possibly connected the car with them? Nobody else knew that the Weasley's
> had a flying car, and nobody saw them arrive in the car. The car itself had
> disapeared, the only evidence of it's having been there being the damaged
> Whomping Willow (which seems a little inconclusive).
>
> It seems like quite a stretch for Snape to connect a report of a flying car
> by muggles with Harry and Ron, doesn't it?
He might keep track of his enemies' cars as a matter of course.
Tim Bruening
Smiley wrote:
Harry and Ron showed up just after the Willow got hit.
Tim Bruening
Brandon Davie wrote:
Aside from the flying car, Harry and Ron would have no explaination of how
they got to Hogwarts without the train. They didn't come out of a fireplace,
they don't own a flying animal large enough to carry them, and it's
impossible to Apparate to Hogwarts.
doug
Also, it is illegal to Apparate without a liscence...
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