Snape's Parents
Isengrim
months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
what the fuss is about. :)
One apparent
plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
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<isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote:
>OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
>months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
>what the fuss is about. :)
>One apparent
>plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
>fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
>was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
Tom Riddle might have had a few ideas on that in later life maybe??
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"Isengrim" <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote in message
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> OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
> months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
> what the fuss is about. :)
>
> One apparent
> plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
> fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
> was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>
> How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
Bullying is often more about psychology than physical power.
One of the things I like about the Potterverse (as I identify with it
strongly in an allegorical (?) fashion) is the way that despite - perhaps
even because of - the way the Dursleys tried to "squeeze the magic out of
him", Harry still ended up being ok, and a good wizard. Now imagine if he'd
accepted their teachings that magic was terrible and he was evil/ unclean/
second rate because he was a wizard. He'd probably have little if any
self-esteem, a bit like Merope.
Snape's mother may have been similar in that she may have accepted being a
witch was wrong and so didn't have any self-esteem and/or hated herself in
which case she'd have been an easy target for an abusive muggle husband and
probably wouldn't have felt able to fight back; even that she *shouldn't*
fight back using magic as that would prove how bad she was.
DaveD
Deevo
news:35QDk.2394$Pv5.2373@edtnps83...
> months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
> what the fuss is about. :)
>
> One apparent
> plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
> fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
> was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>
> How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
Probably rooted in the same reason some women don't walk out on abusive
relationships. Something I still have trouble wrapping my head around.
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Deevo
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:
: "Isengrim" <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote in message
The problem with that theory is that she clearly taught him to aspire
to be a Slytherin,with the attitudes that characteristically went along
with that...quite the opposite of its being wrong to be magical.And who
else would have been the source of his disturbingly-advanced Dark Arts
knowledge when he got to Hogwarts?
It's possible that she had low self-esteem because of being rejected
by Hogwarts boys her age and felt she had to stoop to marrying a Muggle
and beat herself up about that.
I have a hunch she left Tobias as soon as Severus was grown.
-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Toon
<isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote:
>OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
>months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
>what the fuss is about. :)
>
>One apparent
>plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
>fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
>was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>
>How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
Easily. Many men (far too many) abuse their wives, who not only take
it, but love them more for it, in hopes of currying favor. None of
them would ever use a gun or knife against dear old hubbykins. Magic
is another weapon not used. Sure, they know they should leave, have
friends and family willing to help them leave, but they won't leave
anymore than a happy marriage's fight would cause a wife to leave.
Also, not every witch or wizard believes in attacking muggles.
especially if there's no physical violence involved.
BubblyBabs
"Deevo" <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Isengrim" <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote in message
> news:35QDk.2394$Pv5.2373@edtnps83...
>> OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
>> months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
>> what the fuss is about. :)
>>
>> One apparent
>> plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
>> fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's
>> mom was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>>
>> How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
>
> Probably rooted in the same reason some women don't walk out on abusive
> relationships. Something I still have trouble wrapping my head around.
> --
> Deevo
Because of several reasons...
First, the self-esteem issue - you think noone else will want you and you
don't want to be alone... Your spouse reinforces this thinking by harking
on all your deficits and rarely if ever about your assets... If you think
you are ugly, they tell you stuff like "I didn't marry for looks"... If you
think you are fat (even if you are 5'7" and 120 pounds) they tell you you
need to work on your figure and never if ever tell you you look good...
Your boobs aren't big enough or are too saggy... And then you look at the
magazines on the racks at the supermarket and you believe all of the above
even if you are 5'7" tall and 120 pounds and are a young and perky 32C...
You are told you need to exercise to tone your body instead of being told
you are soft and feminine... You're told you aren't intelligent enough
(and, even if you do manage a 4.0 in college you still believe that)...
Your first told you aren't a good mother because you are too strict and then
told you are too lenient... You're a terrible driver even if YOU are the
one who has NEVER had an accident but they lose their license due to a hit
and run and then, like a stupid idiot, because they lost their drivers
license, you drive them to work 2 hours before you have to be at your job
and then sit and wait for them at their job site to pick them up and drive
them home every day for 2 years.... And even then you screw up somehow...
Never able to please... Sometimes little things, sometimes major issues....
They also tell you that they don't know why *they* put up with you because
you are such a bitch and that you are lucky they do put up with you because
noone else would... etc etc etc
So, since you don't have men lining up to save you from your abusive
relationship like some women seem to have you figure all the above is
true...
Secomd, many of these women (and men) grew up in homes where the woman was
mistreated and they don't view their situation as being abnormal even though
they are frustrated by their treatment... And usually they came from a home
that treated you just the way your spouse treats you (being told you need to
lose weight when you really don't need to, never being told you are
attractive, etc etc etc)... One time I went for over 2 weeks eating 1
yogurt a day (wish I could do that now), another time I lost 30 pounds in a
month (and got gallstones) going from 130 pounds to 100 pounds...
Third, this spousal abuse isn't sudden and outright in the beginning of the
relationship so by the time it becomes conscious thought you are already
sucked into believing you aren't worthy even though you hoped you were since
they seemed to love you enough to marry you... And, in the beginning, all
seems pretty rosy but even then the little things start to creep in, the
little comments... And by the time you think perhaps it's them and not you,
by then you have to worry about how you'll live without him and with a bunch
of kids to take care of... And you're afraid to because you feel you
aren't good enough and won't be able to and will have to come crawling back
for help - you fear failure... Which goes back around to the self-esteem
issue...
The abuse does not have to be physical... With physical abuse you at least
have a reason to leave according to societies standards... Sitting there
whining about how "he tells me I'm ugly" just aren't deemed good enough
reasons to leave...
And, of course, there are more reasons, all individualized...
Babs
Deevo
news:tPWdnbA_zrCKQ33V...@giganews.com...
All too true. With the resources around and, though it bugs me to hell on
other issues, the politically correct movement being in full swing you'd
think such issues would be somewhat dated now.
John VanSickle
> OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
> months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
> what the fuss is about. :)
>
> One apparent
> plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
> fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
> was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>
> How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
The same way some real world wives abuse their physically stronger
husbands, which happens about as much as husbands abusing wives. It has
*nothing* to do with the balance of power. It has *everything* to do
with a morally disarmed person paired with a thoroughly amoral person.
Regards,
John
DaveD
Because it's so much harder to identify and fight - psychological wounds in
particular don't leave easily visible or quantifiable scars (even nervous
tics or tremors can be overlooked or not noticed). If you have a scalded
hand, a broken arm, or a black eye, doctors can testify on your behalf (even
if you don't/won't), but it's much harder to get hard evidence of
psychological abuse.
From the outside, it seems hard to understand why they stay, but people who
are in this situation genuinely do believe it's their fault regardless of
the facts: as in the example given by Babs, a 4.0 in college should be
unarguable but in this situation, there'll be a reason why "it doesn't
count" - if you tell someone something often and long enough, they usually
do start to believe it.
So even if they recognise the symptoms, they're unlikely to feel they can do
anything about it, and quite possibly that they deserve it so shouldn't do
anything about it, it's a "fair punishment" for their sins or faults. It's
usually a pattern that's gone on since early childhood and is very difficult
to change :(
DaveD
BubblyBabs
> Because it's so much harder to identify and fight - psychological wounds
> in particular don't leave easily visible or quantifiable scars (even
> nervous tics or tremors can be overlooked or not noticed). If you have a
> scalded hand, a broken arm, or a black eye, doctors can testify on your
> behalf (even if you don't/won't), but it's much harder to get hard
> evidence of psychological abuse.
>
> From the outside, it seems hard to understand why they stay, but people
> who are in this situation genuinely do believe it's their fault regardless
> of the facts: as in the example given by Babs, a 4.0 in college should be
> unarguable but in this situation, there'll be a reason why "it doesn't
> count" - if you tell someone something often and long enough, they usually
> do start to believe it.
>
> So even if they recognise the symptoms, they're unlikely to feel they can
> do anything about it, and quite possibly that they deserve it so shouldn't
> do anything about it, it's a "fair punishment" for their sins or faults.
> It's usually a pattern that's gone on since early childhood and is very
> difficult to change :(
>
> DaveD
Exactly... And Snapes mom probably just wanted someone to love her and more
than likely did things hoping for some approval... Her hubby probably gave
her approval at times when he sensed she was reaching her limit which would,
of course, keep her hanging on hoping things were going to get better...
And her child grew up watching this...
Babs
Alex Clark
wrote:
ISTM that it takes something more than amorality for this kind of
abuse. Amoral people will happily lie and cheat to get ahead, but they
don't necessarily like to hurt people. What makes a person much more
likely to be abusive is either sadistic impulses or a desperate desire
for power.
--
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BubblyBabs
"Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:32:31 GMT, "Isengrim"
> <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote:
>
>>OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
>>months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
>>what the fuss is about. :)
>>
>>One apparent
>>plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
>>fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
>>was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>>
>>How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
>
> Easily. Many men (far too many) abuse their wives, who not only take
> it, but love them more for it, in hopes of currying favor.
Um, that sounds as if they love the man because he is abusing them... Not
so... Looking for approval, wanting to be loved so bad by the man you
married, thinking that surely he *must* love me and if I were a better
person then he'd want to be around me or do things with me instead of being
with his buddies.... It's so hurtful and you are so desperate... I just
can't put the feelings into words so that others who don't know can
understand... I think that JKR making Snapes mom a witch who was bullied by
the muggle husband (and people are thinking why didn't she just blast his
ass) was a stroke of genius... She showed that no matter how powerful you
are you can be beaten down psychologically... Maybe no-one showed her love
and her husband did... Look at Merope, Voldies mom, she was desperate to
have someone love her... I can't imagine the anguish she went through when
the man she loved turned on her and left her... As to Snapes father, we
only saw that one incident but assume so much more... He may have been a
total ass but I'm sure there were times when he wasn't... And those were
the times she was desperate for... You put so many years into a
relationship and the whole time you live for those nice times even though
they become fewer as time goes on... Life with an abuser (usually) isn't
always horrible but yet your whole life is consumed by the affects of it...
> None of
> them would ever use a gun or knife against dear old hubbykins.
You'd be surprised at the avid daydreams one can have of doing just that but
know it'll never happen... Along with daydreams of being loved and taken
care of by someone, anyone...
Babs
BubblyBabs
"John VanSickle" <evilsna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh my, interesting way to put it... However, I think that a lot of the time
the abuser has grown up in a family where it was accepable to abuse their
spouse/children just as the abusee has grown in the same type of family...
So, to be fair, they are both victims...
Babs
Toon
wrote:
Judging by the Snape Lily conversation, his parents fighting was
always getting worse. If he knew his dad had loved his mom, showed
it, but watched things get worse (especially if Snape had begun
showing magic, and magic was the reason for all the anger), and had
seen his mom still in love with him, despite the abuse, Snape would
grow up thinking it's quite normal, and would follow suit (There's a
reason such violence is cyclic in nature over the generations). So
his calling Lily a mudblood might have been his way of saying, Thanks
for the assist, I love you.
Toon
wrote:
>
>"Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
>news:n3n1e411lb5927tfh...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:32:31 GMT, "Isengrim"
>> <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
>>>months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
>>>what the fuss is about. :)
>>>
>>>One apparent
>>>plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
>>>fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
>>>was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
>>>
>>>How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
>>
>> Easily. Many men (far too many) abuse their wives, who not only take
>> it, but love them more for it, in hopes of currying favor.
>
>
>Um, that sounds as if they love the man because he is abusing them...
Not because of it, but they show love all the more in hopes he'll
start liking her again. The more he yells and degrades her, the more
she'll show affection so he'll stop. That unfortunately, causes the
men to see abuse as a way of getting the love. The more I abuse her,
the more she'll show me how much she loves me.
>I think that JKR making Snapes mom a witch who was bullied by
>the muggle husband (and people are thinking why didn't she just blast his
>ass)
Unfortunately, people seem to have a low view of wizard to muggle
relations, and expect every wizard to try and overpower a Muggle. That
creates a Gindelvald situation, where Wizards naturally try and
dominate, for the greater good.
>was a stroke of genius... She showed that no matter how powerful you
>are you can be beaten down psychologically... Maybe no-one showed her love
>and her husband did... Look at Merope, Voldies mom, she was desperate to
>have someone love her... I can't imagine the anguish she went through when
>the man she loved turned on her and left her...
Enough that she just gave up on life. If she was in a good place, she
would have survived child birth. Once Voldie was born, she had no
reason left to live. Her son would always be a reminder of her lost
love.
Her naming is weird. She named her son after the guy who broke her
heart, and her abusive father.
>As to Snapes father, we
>only saw that one incident but assume so much more... He may have been a
>total ass but I'm sure there were times when he wasn't... And those were
>the times she was desperate for... You put so many years into a
>relationship and the whole time you live for those nice times even though
>they become fewer as time goes on... Life with an abuser (usually) isn't
>always horrible but yet your whole life is consumed by the affects of it...
I wonder if he was fine until Snape started displaying magic. A witch
wife was fine, but wizard kids was too much for him. Especially if
any accidental magic hurt him/affected him negatively.
>
>
>> None of
>> them would ever use a gun or knife against dear old hubbykins.
>
>
>You'd be surprised at the avid daydreams one can have of doing just that but
>know it'll never happen... Along with daydreams of being loved and taken
>care of by someone, anyone...
>Babs
Oh everybody daydreams of violent vengeance for one thing or another.
Most never do it. Thoe who do are usually sick. But some are pushed
into the sickness, and aren't quite to blame for it. If an abused
wife suddenly fights back, and it's known/provable of the abuse,
people will be a lot more lenient than a wife who just snaps. But as
I said, they'll never use a knife or gun. Thinking about it is a
whole other story.
BubblyBabs
Louis Epstein
: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:16 -0500, "BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com>
I don't think that's Rowling's intention at all.
Recall his attempt at apologizing afterward...and how he was left
speechless when Lily bitterly accused him of being eager to join
He-Who-Must-Be-Called-Ickle-Tommykins...Rowling has said that Snape
somehow had had the idea that his becoming a Death Eater would *impress*
Lily,and clear notice that it would be exactly the opposite left him
with no defense.
Louis Epstein
: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:54:15 -0500, "BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com>
: wrote:
:
:>
:>"Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
:>news:n3n1e411lb5927tfh...@4ax.com...
:>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:32:31 GMT, "Isengrim"
:>> <isen...@MYTAILtelus.net> wrote:
:>>
:>>>OK, so I'm new here. I just read the books (one after the other) a few
:>>>months ago. I've since bought the first four DVD's too. Yeah, I now se
:>>>what the fuss is about. :)
:>>>
:>>>One apparent
:>>>plot hole" does puxzzle me, though. It is shown where Snape's parents
:>>>fought a lot, and the father was intimidating the mother. Yet Snape's mom
:>>>was supposed to have been a witch, who married a muggle.
:>>>
:>>>How on Earth does a muggle bully a witch?
:>>
:>> Easily. Many men (far too many) abuse their wives, who not only take
:>> it, but love them more for it, in hopes of currying favor.
:>
:>
:>Um, that sounds as if they love the man because he is abusing them...
:
: Not because of it, but they show love all the more in hopes he'll
: start liking her again. The more he yells and degrades her, the more
: she'll show affection so he'll stop. That unfortunately, causes the
: men to see abuse as a way of getting the love. The more I abuse her,
: the more she'll show me how much she loves me.
And there ARE some masochists out there who convince themselves that
"he cares enough to correct me,that shows he loves me"...and also
consensual domestic-discipline types in whose relationships that
is the mutual goal.
:>I think that JKR making Snapes mom a witch who was bullied by
:>the muggle husband (and people are thinking why didn't she just blast
:>his ass)
:
: Unfortunately, people seem to have a low view of wizard to muggle
: relations, and expect every wizard to try and overpower a Muggle. That
: creates a Gindelvald situation, where Wizards naturally try and
: dominate, for the greater good.
:
:>was a stroke of genius... She showed that no matter how powerful you
:>are you can be beaten down psychologically... Maybe no-one showed her love
:>and her husband did... Look at Merope, Voldies mom, she was desperate to
:>have someone love her... I can't imagine the anguish she went through when
:>the man she loved turned on her and left her...
:
: Enough that she just gave up on life. If she was in a good place, she
: would have survived child birth. Once Voldie was born, she had no
: reason left to live. Her son would always be a reminder of her lost
: love.
Reminder of the love,or of the loss?
Some would see the son as reason to live.
: Her naming is weird. She named her son after the guy who broke her
: heart, and her abusive father.
:
:>As to Snapes father, we
:>only saw that one incident but assume so much more... He may have been a
:>total ass but I'm sure there were times when he wasn't... And those were
:>the times she was desperate for... You put so many years into a
:>relationship and the whole time you live for those nice times even though
:>they become fewer as time goes on... Life with an abuser (usually) isn't
:>always horrible but yet your whole life is consumed by the affects of it...
:
: I wonder if he was fine until Snape started displaying magic. A witch
: wife was fine, but wizard kids was too much for him. Especially if
: any accidental magic hurt him/affected him negatively.
My take is that Tobias thought being married to a witch would
make life easy for him,but had little thought of making life
pleasant for Eileen himself.And she had little joy in her life
outside of Gobstones,at which Tobias was both no good and a
terrible loser.
Eileen was no beauty,and the boys she went to Hogwarts with
all found girls they liked better...so she,the Slytherin with
a Dark Arts predilection,wound up marrying a Muggle just to not
be alone,and still found no happiness in her son's childhood...
and we have no knowledge of her later fate.
:>
:>> None of
:>> them would ever use a gun or knife against dear old hubbykins.
:>
:>
:>You'd be surprised at the avid daydreams one can have of doing just that but
:>know it'll never happen... Along with daydreams of being loved and taken
:>care of by someone, anyone...
:>Babs
:
: Oh everybody daydreams of violent vengeance for one thing or another.
: Most never do it. Thoe who do are usually sick. But some are pushed
: into the sickness, and aren't quite to blame for it. If an abused
: wife suddenly fights back, and it's known/provable of the abuse,
: people will be a lot more lenient than a wife who just snaps. But
: as I said, they'll never use a knife or gun. Thinking about it is a
: whole other story.
-=-=-
Petrea Mitchell
BubblyBabs <n...@fractalfairy.com> strode forth and proclaimed:
> Exactly... And Snapes mom probably just wanted someone to love her and more
> than likely did things hoping for some approval... Her hubby probably gave
> her approval at times when he sensed she was reaching her limit which would,
> of course, keep her hanging on hoping things were going to get better...
> And her child grew up watching this...
And there's the "it's best to stay together for the kids" factor. Which
sometimes is the case if the marital difficulties are relatively minor,
but in a relationship like we're talking about, it becomes another way
for the wife to lie to herself that she's doing the right thing.
--
/
Petrea Mitchell <|> <|> <pr...@m5p.com> <mit...@osm.com>
"The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along
and sticking things in it." ---Opus
DaveD
> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
> news:2oi9e4dolra9josro...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:16 -0500, "BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com>
>>><SNIP>
>> Judging by the Snape Lily conversation, his parents fighting was
>> always getting worse. If he knew his dad had loved his mom, showed
>> it, but watched things get worse (especially if Snape had begun
>> showing magic, and magic was the reason for all the anger), and had
>> seen his mom still in love with him, despite the abuse, Snape would
>> grow up thinking it's quite normal, and would follow suit (There's a
>> reason such violence is cyclic in nature over the generations). So
>> his calling Lily a mudblood might have been his way of saying, Thanks
>> for the assist, I love you.
>
> No.
I think it was massive anger plus the need to try and show he had some
"strength" of his own, caused by his feeling incredibly humiliated at being
so vulnerable and needing help to get out of the situation he was in, made
so much worse by the fact it was a woman offering, and one on whom he had a
massive crush, and (if there were any Slytherins around or word got back to
his DE mates) that the person offering to help was a muggle-born.
Nothing could be as humiliating for someone with Snape's upbringing,
"friends", and interests. So he lashed out - hurting the person he loved
most.
DaveD
BubblyBabs
"DaveD" <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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I agree... Anger is always a safe emotion, it hides so much...
Babs
Toon
Should have stayed down and accepted the help. "Nurse" Lily might
bond with him romantically. When it comes to romance, usually it's
the one on the ground who wins out in the end. James would not be
seen as a tough, strong provider/warrior, but a bully and a jerk.
Toon
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But let's you really hurt someone.
BubblyBabs
You don't seem to understand... Anger is protective... Yes, is can cause
you to hurt others but it helps you protect yourself at the moment... The
long term effects are not your concern at that time - fight or flight type
of thing...
Babs
BubblyBabs
You are able to sit back and think it through - at the time Snape was in
emotional distress and reacted accordingly... That's why it's his worst
memory - he lost Lily over it...
Babs
Igenlode Wordsmith
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> "Toon" <to...@toon.com> wrote in message
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[snip 'Snape's Worst Memory']
> > Should have stayed down and accepted the help. "Nurse" Lily might
> > bond with him romantically. When it comes to romance, usually it's
> > the one on the ground who wins out in the end. James would not be
> > seen as a tough, strong provider/warrior, but a bully and a jerk.
>
> You are able to sit back and think it through - at the time Snape was in
> emotional distress and reacted accordingly... That's why it's his worst
> memory - he lost Lily over it...
>
I can't see any teenage boy 'staying down' in a fight in the hopes that
a girl will fall for him if she finds his plight pathetic enough --
particularly not one whose enemies have already nicknamed him
'Snivellus'. (So far as I can remember, this was a completely gratuitous
coinage by James -- young Severus is not known for snivelling under any
circumstances.)
If he wants to look good in the girl's eyes, the last thing he is going
to welcome is being rescued by her -- wangling a hurt/comfort scenario
for a proud or prickly character is strictly for the fangirls ;-p
Although of course Draco Malfoy did play precisely the 'snivelling' card
when Buckbeak bit him...
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Toon
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>Although of course Draco Malfoy did play precisely the 'snivelling' card
>when Buckbeak bit him...
Barely a scratch if anything. Such a drama papa.