No matter how many times this is viewed, it's always a shock that
a televangelist would cuss out his viewers this way.
matt2442;
I wish there was a version that is un-bleeped. It would be more graphic
that way. I believe he was cussing out someone who wanted to know what
he did with the money. I wonder how that message got to him?
matt2442:
Most likely.
FaithfultoJesus wrote:
Emmett writes:
What amazes me is that someone who calls themselves a Christian
was not able recognize that Dr. jean was obviously demon possessed
by this video and for that matter his lifestyle in general.
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I get your point G and it's a good one!! I agree!!
GIB / GIC
Emmett writes:
Maybe you can enlighten us and tell us which is worse.
It seems to me that Dr. jean did most of the above.
godistheboss wrote:
Emmett writes:
That figures.
> What amazes me is that someone who calls themselves a Christian
> was not able recognize that Dr. jean was obviously demon possessed
> by this video and for that matter his lifestyle in general.
How about for the glorification of God, Em? Since He is in control,
without a doubt, there were people called by God put in Scott's church
so they could have their eyes opened.
He trains in a variety of ways. And once that saint learned how they'd
screwed up and sinned against God, thus fell on their knees, more
thankful for His forgiveness of their idolatry, bad stewardship, and
lack of discernment, look at the Grace poured out upon that person.
God's Mercy against sheep who make the mistake of following THEIR heart
instead of God's is a beauty to behold when He turns them around.
I'm glad you were able to discern who and what Scott was. My radar was
off...way off. Too busy rebelling against my past and running straight
to what my heart (gotta watch that!) said, "Here's freedom."
The guilt and pain associated with that single decision that I allowed
to continue for some fifteen years boggles my mind. There was more
freedom in San Quentin than Scottyland. Thankfully, all the panic
attacks I had, the fears, the doubts which led back to my association
with Doc were the very things God used to wake my stupid ass up.
I look at these videos now and think, "What was I doing? What was
wrong with me? Why did I let this asshole make me sick?"
When I was there though, in real time, seeing this, I knew something
wasn't right. I knew it yet refused to listen to the Holy Spirit's
promptings, thinking if everyone else thought Doc was so great, it must
be me. (You do recall I was isolated, and became even more so over the
years).
I guess when I finally got so sick with terror cause I could not do
Scott's ABCs, was filled with such contempt for throwing away money
while he lived and did what he did...I don't know, it's like a slight
twist on scripture teased me: "While yet I was in Gene Scott's church,
Christ died for me...."
Here I had so sinned against God, yet still He loved me. All the fear,
the panic, the shame of "chasing salvation" which is really what Scott
offered (via money and ABCs), was Grace in disguise. His perfect Will
used Doc to further His justice and training toward me.
How could I not be thankful for that?
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I never saw the video you're talking about til after Doc. died. I
couldn't get Doc on cable anymore after 198? something. I'm not sure
of the date.
But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Judee!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!
Your post is Beautiful!! I can relate.
God opened my eyes to a pattern I had of Idolizing people. Everyone
but HIM!!
And fall on my knees I did!! What forgiveness!! Words can't explain
it!!
But Yes, what you discribed in your post ( the idolizing) I have
experienced myself.
Thank You so much for this post!
Also..... You have a "gift" for words.
GIB
have you and your husband come to any
mutual understanding or conclusion re
doc and his miniseries?
If this question is out of bounds then I'm sorry
and your silence will be understood. Thanks.
I appreciate your concern, stud. You know I do. Just a few words:
Thought it was over.
Something he cannot discuss (denial).
Wall up again.
Grieving.
Handling it better than ever before.
Only God can fix it.
Pray with KDOC gone, wall will again come down.
:)
I had a discussion with wifey not too long ago
regarding going to church, she is not ready to
trust anyone who even has a glimmer of scottyness
in them. Which includes a glimmer of snottyness!
As far as your hubby goes, I'm sure God knows
what it will take to bring him to repent of
this cult status.
It's like not being able to admit that when mommy told you daddy died in
prison you told
the class he was a fireman and died in a fire.
Hubby sounds like a smart guy, maybe he's trying to figure it all out on
his own. I wish him well.
Thanks for your understanding. Just when I thought it was safe to go
back into the water...there's that fricken Mel sound.
dddddddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa DDDDDDDDNT
DA DNT DA DNT DA DNT DA DNT
What's funny? He doesn't even watch her. Can't stand anything about
her. Thinks she should be fed to the beavers. Just seems to believe
he is doing right to give a wee bit to keep Doc on 56.
Let's see what happens now, eh?
matt2442:
Yes. Many prayers for this situation.
Judee,
I know the bulldog didn't ask for my advice, but since you made a
public request for prayer regarding this matter, I must give you my
honest opinion on it.
In your situation, I think the right thing to do is seek a divorce.
Yes, I know your previous divorce had valid Scriptural grounds, and
there were/are many excellent Christians that believe remarriage is
permissible for the innocent party under those circumstances (it's
even in the Westminster Confession). Consider however, that even the
best saints are fallible and this alone does not make it right. When
all is said and done, all that matters is: what does Scripture say?
Whatever it says, it matters not what anyone else might say. Let God
be true and every man a liar.
But certainly, you must come to your own conclusions. I encourage you
to study this issue and find out what the Scripture actually says
regarding your case. Especially pay attention on the statement of
Jesus in Matthew 19:9 that "...whoso marrieth her which is put away
[a very innocent party -- JV] doth commit adultery."
There are also some good books on the subject.
"Marriage, The Mystery Of Christ And The Church" (The Covenant-Bond
in Scripture and History by David J. Engelsma (Reformed Free
Publishing Association)
"Divorce and Remarriage: Four Christian Views" edited by Wayne House
(Inter-Varsity Press)
That's all I have to say. Although I can't pray specifically for what
you asked for, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your situation
regardless.
JV
As for prayer, unless the bulldog's messing with my mind again, I don't
think I actually asked for it, rather it was kindly offered. The only
prayer I would hope for is God's Will be done, for in that I know with
all certainty glorifies Christ.
I am learning His pleasure always comes first. And oddly enough, it
ends up becoming mine...odder still, no matter what it is, bring it
sorrow or joy, it settles me for I know all is right and as it should
be.
Again, thank you.
Judy
I dont get it?
Are you serious about the answer you gave to
JV? I mean, am I missing something in the translation re: "I thought it
was over".
I would think JV's comment was overeaction.
Is there a post I'm misreading? Wha?
Why would someone divorce over religious
and/or philosophical divide. I know that with
God in charge all this can be fixed.
Some of us here are living proof of that.
Right Judee?
> I would think JV's comment was overeaction.
>
> Is there a post I'm misreading? Wha?
Yes, I think mine went completely over your head. Give it another
shot.
> Why would someone divorce over religious
> and/or philosophical divide. I know that with
> God in charge all this can be fixed.
For the record, I do not hold that religious divisions are a valid
reason for divorce.
JV
> Are you serious about the answer you gave to
> JV?
In so much that there are times I don't think I could stay when my
husband throws money at a woman (against his own conscience, he does
this) simply to have Doc on KDOC. Sometimes it feels as if my hub is
choosing a ghost over me.
Or, another way to put it, God said to let no man come between what He
joined together. For the life of me I don't know why my husband
doesn't think that applies to Gene Scott. Cause it does cause
dissension between us. Horribly so. I'm the one who stops eating and
ends up seeing the shrinks and taking their poison.
However, that is for me to fix in myself, praying that God will turn me
in the right direction. I can't obsess over what my husband does, but
it caught me off guard, the giving, cause I thought that was over. I
thought we were sorta moving forward.
Stud said: I mean, am I missing something in the translation re: "I
thought it
was over".
I'm honestly not sure: what I meant to convey was, I thought Hub's
support was over. That he was hiding it hit me hard. This after he
told me to cut back on expenses. Didn't know why until then. No...I
won't cut back anything for the support of a wannabe pastor.
And, when I asked the hub about it, he blew sky high. Made threats,
then the silence that is like a roar. Feeling crushed all over again.
Saying this was the hate.genescott site, which I have tried again and
again to explain to him though there are some who do feel that way,
many, like myself, have actually found a compassion for Doc.
I would suggest knowing the full truth and still being compelled to
forgive as I was is actually something I didn't think I'd ever be able
to attain. But Grace will have its way.
Stud: I would think JV's comment was overeaction.
Perhaps it was. But I think Jon is trying to offer Biblical guidance,
something to consider, to ponder. And though, as I said, at times I do
just want to walk out the door, my heart (which I must watch for it
tends to be wicked) says stay.
Jon only provided an option. If my thinking, which goes along with
yours, doesn't pan out, I'm thankful to have that option.
But for right now, I plan to work on me. Continue to get stronger
emotionally, physically. Very excited to have enrolled in an online
class, Introduction to Theology though it likewise terrifies me.
Still, it's time to show some obedience, trusting the faith is there in
Him.
I hope this explains things a bit more. And as always, I appreciate
your feedback.
:)
My response, seems dimwitted in comparison
to the actuality of your life here and now.
But here it goes.
Don't let the cult mentality win out on this
relationship of yours. To divide and conquer
seems to be that MO.
Divorce to me would be like what David Bowie
once wrote:
"It's like putting out fire with gasoline".
Some dreams die hard Judee. I'm referring to the dreams your hub has re
doc's "ministry".
Think it through. Time will heal your fears.
God brought you out didn't he? I'm sure he has a plan for lucky man.
The silent treatment Judee? sounds like someone is reverting back to
school days, clutching at straw, in other words, no REAL defense.
You had him on the ropes. But you're in love,
so ya didn't go for the K.O. kid. Next round.
Gee Judee, If ya ask me, God's making a fighter out of you. Hubby is
afraid, I can smell the fear, can't you?
YOU are smart and clever and have the endurance
to finish this. God's got your back, and studio
is your water boy. I have the Vaseline.
Your hope is catching. Thank you for that.
It's always good to have options. But for now, I'm going to focus on
seeking strength through the Lord. More than anything I need to know
how to be obedient and faithful and content in His Will.
I need to continue to get strong. Perhaps it might please God to use
that in a way that attracts my husband. I just know there's nothing I
can do to get inside his heart and yank Gene Scott out. For all I
know, that's not the right thing to do at all.
"Get strong, get strong," seems to be a central theme, for it opens up
whatever option God delivers me into. As well you may know, I love how
God works within a season for everything under the sun.
I don't think yet it is the season to give up as lost. But if He
brings that season to my door, at least standing on my own two feet
won't be a stranger. What I desire to do is simply trust He will do
what He's going to do and whatever that may be, it will reflect His
glory.
As well it should.
Take care. :)
It started so innocently, the sandbox, the
Pink Floyd concert, The Catherdral.........
Barbie.......SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm totally baffled and have my mouth open,
showing only my upper teeth.
I KNOW !!!!!!!
YOU THOUGHT DOC LOOKED LIKE AN OLDER GREG ALLMAN!
:P
> YOU THOUGHT DOC LOOKED LIKE AN OLDER GREG ALLMAN!
>
>
> :P
I must be lost! Wasn't that Greg who sang, "Sweet Melissa"? Well
shake me in bread crumbs, it was only a flashback.
What a long, strange trip it's been.
Guess I'll just keep truckin',
Cause I'm a going home,
Keep trucking, back where I belong...
Just keep trucking on.
Ain't but one way out, baby,
And heck if I'm going to go through that door!
<Open window; falls out>
:)