Firepoint Church

[gypsie]

Has anyone ever heard of this church? do you know what it is about at
all? We have a new one opening in our area and they have done mass
mailing invitations (something I've not seen in a while)

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

Firepoint. Sounds hot.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:39:22 PM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

Comment from their facebook page:

Just a heads up... we are having a BBQ celebration this Sunday as our new location will be near complete and we have ended the 21 day fast and prayer time. It's time to celebrate the goodness of God!

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:39:22 PM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

Another comment from their Facebook page:

So we had a minor miracle today as we were shopping for the church chairs we found this amazing deal (25% off), but they were on the East coast and it might take 2 months to get them. Their sales person checked and they found a Warehouse with the chairs right here in Compton.. She said this never happens because this warehouse does not carry chairs, but happens to have the exact number, style and color we are looking for. PTL! David

[gypsie]

On Mar 21, 10:03 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

so what is your take on this one?

[gypsie]

definitely appears evangelical, hmmmmmm mebbe Jesus only?? damn I wish
there were pix of the congregation. Out here it could be oriental/
asian or mid-east which are pretty uncomfortable unless you are the
same

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:

> definitely appears evangelical, hmmmmmm mebbe Jesus only?? damn I wish
>
> there were pix of the congregation. Out here it could be oriental/
>
> asian or mid-east which are pretty uncomfortable unless you are the
>
> same

.
studio:

The names don't seem to reflect an Asian congregation.
Have they had their BBQ yet? Why don't you plan on going to
their party. I'm sure they'll have plenty of food etc
and you can ask all the questions you want without feeling
weird about it. You can walk away at any time. No pressure.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:39:22 PM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

I had a Baptist church do the same flyers and the pastor even
walked the neighborhood a few years ago. He was a very nice
person. It was obvious to me at the time that I had been
messed up by all the weird shit that was instilled in me
by you know who.

Shit, I coulda helped those people out somehow. But instead
I dropped the ball and I let my cult persona kick me
in the ass again.

I have since learned not to live in regret and to eliminate
those criticisms of other church groups etc.

Search and Destroy. To search and destroy all the negative
religious bullshit from my mind. what can be left but truth?

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:39:22 PM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

Hi Everyone,

My name is David Richardson and I am one of the pastors of the new church plant Firepoint Church. (((((((Studio))))))) sent me a email and told me that you might have some questions about Firepoint. I would be more than happy to answer all that I can. I am just gong to share my heart a little and then ask what you wish.

Let me begin with this... We are a Life-giving church that desires to help those far from God come closer and those close to go deeper. We believe the Bible from beginning to end and everything in between. We believe that everyone needs to move at the pace that God has for them and no one should be pushed. We believe that everyone has a significance far greater than they or anyone else knows. That we are to see people for who God has created them to be and empower them to fulfill their destiny. We are a Spirit-filled expression of God's love to a dark world and a light to those who are finding their way back.

Following our evangelical beliefs we believe that eternal life is a gift of God and cannot not be earned, but must be humble received by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

We feel a specific call to reach those who have been hurt by religion/church and provide a safe place where they are able to move at their own pace. No control and no manipulation. Just freedom to explore the goodness of God.

We are not a perfect church and we will make mistakes, but our heart is to help the broken hearted and to be gentle to all. Our goal is to love God, love people and love one another as Jesus Christ loves us.

Thanks for your interest!

God Bless,
David

[gypsie]

thanks studio for asking this pastor to post here. I have been
thinking about checking out this new church and perhaps discussing
here would be a good way to learn more.

Pastor Richardson, what denomination is your church, pentecostal/
charasmatic? And what is your mission statement?

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

Firstt question from me David, Are you familiar
with TV preacher Dr. Gene Scott? Your thoughts?

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

I use to listen to Dr. Gene Scott form time-to-time back in the 80's and he did provoke a number of new thoughts for me. I was never a follower of his per say, but I can find something to learn from almost anyone and Dr. Gene Scott was no exception. My life went a different direction shortly after that and I did not listen to him that much after that season, but that is my way. I learn from this individual and then another and hopefully learned what God wanted me to learn. Then I move on... I hope this answered your question.
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Hi Gypsie,

Thanks for your question!

Firepoint is non-denominational,Spirit-filled expression of the love of God. I prefer not to use labels as they can be prejudicial in nature, but we are focused on building bridges to those far from God and helping those that are close go deeper. That is our mission statement more or less... Still working on it.

We believe that Holy Spirit gives gifts to people as he sees fit and that they are for the comforting, edifying and exhorting of people to be more like Jesus and not a platform for self-glorification.

We are part of the HIM (Harvest International Ministries) and are accountable to them. It is a loose organization that does not dictate local church activities unless called in by the church leadership for some specific reason, but does hold us accountable for an hearsay or moral failure.

We believe in servant leadership... That only by pouring into the least will we ever see greater glory that God has purposed for the Church. It is understanding the value of the individual that helps the whole Body of Christ come into maturity and fulfill the will of God.

let me know if that answered your question.
God Bless,
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Multi-ethnic, mutli-generational!... We are open to all. I think you would be very comfortable with us :)

[babyshoes]

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When I heard Fire Point, The holy spirit first came to mind.
Nice to hear of new churches coming forth.
Many people are waiting for a strong out pouring of the holy spirit.

Fire point is only about 15 minutes from here.
I will check it out one of these Sundays.

Many blessings for your Church.

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Thanks and come say hi when you do! Amen come Holy Spirit come!(sorry for the typos earlier :)
David

[gypsie]

On Mar 22, 5:25 pm, da...@firepointchurch.com wrote:

the HIM mother church is rhema based, so this is an affiliation or
outshoot from the Hagin ministries?

[gypsie]

forgot the link
http://harvestim.org/index.php?a=events&s=conferences

[gypsie]

more links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Peter_Wagner

[gypsie]

just following the links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

[gypsie]

On Mar 22, 7:40 pm, gypsie <gypsiel...@gmail.com> wrote:

copied from HIM site, who we are
Harvest International Ministry
"HIM is a network of like-minded churches, ministries and missionaries
committed to loving and helping each other fulfill the Great
Commission. Currently there are more than 12,000 HIM churches and
ministries in 50 nations on 5 continents. Our offices are located in
Pasadena, CA."

"Too often independent and disconnected churches struggle alone in
their commitment to the Lord. Without meaningful peer relationships,
pastors often find themselves in isolation. HIM is a place to meet
like-minded ministers and develop meaningful relationships. HIM also
provides support for churches through our International Apostles."

International Apostles
"Our International Apostles consists of Ephesians 4:11 leaders with a
recognized local and extra local ministry. These ministers encourage
and pray for HIM churches and visit each area when possible".

HIM Board of Directors
"The Board of Directors serving HIM meet together bi-annually to
discuss and govern the overall direction and ongoing ministry of HIM
The Board of Directors is made up of Apostolic leaders in both the
church and marketplace. In addition to overseeing the general vision
and progress of HIM, they provide a high level of financial
accountability by reviewing both the annual budget and independent
audit report of HIM The Board of Directors appoints and oversees, the
Executive Committee, which meets every other month to oversee the
daily operations of HIM."

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:
> so you and I are basically neighbors babys? did you also get one of
>
> these mail outs?
>
>
>
> This church does sound interesting, I'm always good to go visit a
>
> newbie hmmmmmmmmmmm


You know gypsie......Easter Sunday would be a good time
to visit this place. I'm just saying......

There's a time for everything.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

David:

> Multi-ethnic, mutli-generational!... We are open to all. I think you would be very comfortable with us :)

.
studio:
hey David, I think I told you that a lot of us here
went to the same church for decades but were never allowed
to make friends or have any lateral communication with
one another. I know who gypsie is from a distance, but never
formally introduced. What a shame. What are your thoughts on that?

[gypsie]

On Mar 22, 8:39 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

we'll see. I feel I need more info first (pretty cautious these days)

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

No there is no relationship to the Hagin Ministries. Pastor Che Ahn graduated from Fuller Seminary and never attend Rhema nor have I.
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Just remember that there is no commitment requested or asked for. We would love to meet you and get to know you. It is a safe place and we will not bother you... We have a no hassle guarantee :) Really that is what I tell the Firepoint team people are free to come and go anonymously... some people really need that to explore their faith and check us out. Totally understand.
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

We are the exact opposite :) My best friends are my church friends!
David

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:

> we'll see. I feel I need more info first (pretty cautious these days)

The church does have a phone number, and David's
email addy is on there too.

Not too bad when the pastor can say this:

"We feel a specific call to reach those who have been hurt by religion/church and provide a safe place where they are able to move at their own pace. No control and no manipulation. Just freedom to explore the goodness of God. "

Now, either this guy is a total liar and his motive is to
control and manipulate, or ..........he's an honest expression
of someone who cares about God's people.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

A no hassle guarantee! Or your mattress is FREEEEEE!

LOL!

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

Sorry for the top posting......


David, you mention Fuller Theological Seminary, the same place
that Rick Warren is from. Warren definitely has his methodology
and structure that is well known. Do you in any way feel obligated
to carry forth the torch of A Purpose Driven Life?

It seems to be a dividing issue amongst some Christians these days.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

David:

> No there is no relationship to the Hagin Ministries. Pastor Che Ahn graduated from Fuller Seminary and never attend Rhema nor have I.
>
> David

(sorry if this posted more than once)

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

Hey David, Before Gene Scott, this is what our church was about:

http://fbn.faithbroadcastingnetwork.info/pastor_schoch_bio.html

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:
> more links
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Peter_Wagner

Spiritual warfare eh? Sounds interesting.

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 12:08 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

yah this did sound interesting!!

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

I'm just not sure about the whole apostolic thing.
I'm sure something like that is bound to happen
before The Second Advent, just not sure if one
can pinpoint it to a year like 2001.

Then again, reading anything Wikipedia is like
reading the side of a cereal box looking for
what's in it.

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 12:16 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:10:02 AM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 12:08 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > gypsie:
>
> > > > more links
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Peter_Wagner
>
> > > Spiritual warfare eh? Sounds interesting.
>
> > yah this did sound interesting!!
>
> I'm just not sure about the whole apostolic thing.
> I'm sure something like that is bound to happen
> before The Second Advent, just not sure if one
> can pinpoint it to a year like 2001.
>
> Then again, reading anything Wikipedia is like
> reading the side of a cereal box looking for
> what's in it.

the way I'm reading this is that it is somehow attached to the 'New
Apostolic Movement'. Very pentecostal, very focussed on Ephesians 4
(hmmm wonder if they recognize domatas???). Very much what doc was
doing in stealth while denying his connection to it to his flock.

As I followed more links and see who else is involved in the
background, I'm a little uncomfortable at this point..... especially
with an affiliation with Rick Warren.

It is worth praying about this whole situation

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

I like Warren, but we do not use his material. We are more focused on just being Bible based. As far as Eph. 4 stuff... yeah we believe in all the gifts and governmental offices as be an important part of the body of Christ. After all it is in the Bible... Right? :) But saying that does not mean there should not be a balance and correct heart attitude in operating in those position. The Kingdom of God is upside down when compared to world systems. Leaders are suppose to be true servants. The more you serve the greater you are... Just repeating what Jesus said. So what we say is this in the essentials we have unity and in the non-essentials we have liberty. What I want you to understand is the heart of what we are doing and not just the details. Jesus said you would know them by their fruit... Talk to those that know us... see our fruit. We are not about control and manipulation or about building a stage for ourselves. We are about exalting Jesus.
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Yes and know. I know Peter pretty well and he has a lot of ideas I like and some I am not sure about, but overall he is a really great person. He is not a pastor and does not pastor a church, but is a professor and apostle (don't get hung up on the term it is the function that matters). Pretty humble guy and most diffidently not a rock star. We wrights one book then refutes his own teaching in another admitting he is wrong. It takes a humble guy to do that. I don't like the term Pentecostal for Firepoint because we really do not see ourselves in that light. We are spirit-filled and believe in the gifts, but we do not believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved, etc. We are NOT a oneness movement,etc.We are much more aligned with evangelical beliefs. Straight forward bible teaching!
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

I am tried forgive the typos :)
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

It's not about the title, but the function. The apostolic office is to help bring unity in the body, to build networks and to help networks communicate with each other. It is not rulership, but being a servant leader. Being a professor Peter loves to define things... But it is open to debate whether he is right... again a non-essential.
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:10:02 AM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

yes we do teach this and it is very important to understand it! Mostly Eph. 6 related.
David

[john doe]

Has anyone ever heard of this church? do you know what it is about at
all? We have a new one opening in our area and they have done mass

mailing invitations (something I've not seen in a while)

pastor d (pd for short)

Hi Everyone,

My name is David Richardson and I am one of the pastors of the new
church plant Firepoint Church.

jd
"new church" lol theres too many brothals...i mean churchs, already
pastor d

"one of many pastors of the.."

jd
top heavy?

pd

We are a Life-giving church that desires to help those far from God
come closer and those close to go deeper.

jd
the church is mistakin and far from god. the church, including yours
david

we dont need more churchs we need less. cut the the waste away that
is made up of man pleasing doctrines for creeps and foolish people
to exploit to their own end via perverted gospel truth half truth and
crossed wires mistaking ethic for religion and ignorent of its
lifelessness absent revelation and righteous judgement of the spirits
person

pastor david here says his is a "life giving church" what an ass.
the testimony of jesus is life giving the mercy of god is life
giving. understanding the encryption of the mystery of the word of
god as seen through the eyes of john the revelator is life
giving....the church is peter and is wrong in many ways, the whore of
babylon makes its ministers whores. david did you know that?

and what pastor dave here is sayin is that his church will kiss
your ass for some money and acceptance and to hell with truth and what
gypsy and studio are saying is that its good to have some blindass
wannabe priest of baal come in here and kiss our asses

hey pastor d you mention "anonymity" ya know it leads to
unaccountability and thats what your about as a person and a church?
letting "people come and go in anonymity"? its bs eitherway

anyway


pd

We believe the Bible from beginning to end and everything in between.

jd
uh yeah. your version which is half truth and void of johns tarry and
the deciphered code of the book of revelation.

pd

We believe that everyone needs to move at the pace that God has for
them and no one should be pushed.

jd
my lord how sappy
how bout you are blind leading the blind

pd

We believe that everyone has a significance far greater than they or
anyone else knows. That we are to see people for who God has created
them to be and empower them to fulfill their destiny.

jd
if thats the case then get on board with what im doin. stop the baal
worshipping merchandizing of gods children and get out of bed with
lies and man pleasing repression of the complete and consistant
revelation of the word of god the testimony of jesus and the things
john saw as the "spirits person. our destiny

pd

We are a Spirit-filled expression of God's love to a dark world

jd
spirit is code


pd

and a light to those who are finding their way back.

jd
understanding the double narrative of gods word is light enough and
btw church proper is a dark light. church proper (popular
christianity) thinks that doin unto others as self is all there is
and there wrong and church proper thinks we are supposed to give them
money which reduces a living sacrifice down to a pocketbook
sacrifice. church proper likes anonmity. its preists of baaol dont
want to know you just send the check. and if they do want to know
you...better run

pd

Following our evangelical beliefs we believe that eternal life is a
gift of God and cannot not be earned, but must be humble received by
grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

jd
thank you for the regurgetated nonesense pastor

faith in jesus christ means to enter into being the spirits person
exersizing righteous yes and no according to scriptural prescription
and application and this occurance is set in a prophetic light. in
the mean time be good to each other and dont make a big deal out of it
like all these "new churchs" are apart of just overemphasizing
scientific humanism and passing it off as gods voice through his
servant. a false voice and a deaf? servant to host it...

church proper is peter and i represent john in dissent

pd

We feel a specific call to reach those who have been hurt by religion/
church and provide a safe place

jd
so has every church that ever came befor you and we dont need a church
for that anyway..

we need the full discloser of the book of revelation and we need the
elites and serfs to come together as one voice to counter the seat of
humanism/ antichrist and his false prophet/ science with the
timetraveling capability of god who is able to manipulate everything
that ever occurred to his own most high glory and whom as a loving
father left the entire truth of what is and is to come in what was..
as recorded in the word of god the testimony of jesus and understood
through the eyes of john the dissenter


pd

where they are able to move at their own pace. No control and no
manipulation. Just freedom to explore the goodness of God.

jd
"the goodness of god"

most high to mistakin dave, get off my coat tails

jd
"no control" ? then i must gaurd against you going wayward

"no manipulatin" ? "half truth" has its own manipulating pull in a
carricatured direction so you dont need to help it just espous it like
ya already do

pd

We are not a perfect church and we will make mistakes, but our heart
is to help the broken hearted and to be gentle to all. Our goal is to
love God, love people and love one another as Jesus Christ loves us.

Thanks for your interest!

God Bless,
David

jd
i think you may have good intentions david but your part of something
putred and sappy like the closing words you had spoon fed you for
oursake?

[john doe]

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jd
"straight forward" and misguided

neither grasp the meaniong of spirit nor its application via the
spirits person

fruits and gifts

i see men as trees bearing the fruits of revelation in understanding
the encryption of narrative in gods word reveling the testimony of
jesus christ . all ya'll do is take scripturew out of context absent
this everpresent intention in gods word that is unrecognised befor the
mind of christ which is distracted by speaking in tounges and bs
apostilic movements. is that like a bowel movement? all these
movements lmao..... revelation of juesus christ through us a
partakers in the spirits person and as a voice of dissent is left
untouched and unrealised by these goins ons

ya see dave, when the protestants broke from the catholics the
slipped into an identity crisis. the protestants are john which is a
righteous voice declaring yes to revelation and no to its repression,
a voice of dissent the friend of the bridegroom

[john doe]

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jd

the only serving called for is found in the book of acts where mention
is made to "serving the tables" ... of the lord

the apostles were involved in partaking of jesus christ. the term
christ denotes deliverence which in this context is the culmination of
our existance in the person of jesus. so, the apostles were
partaking in culminating our existance into jesus AS CHRIST i.e. the
real spirits person which is a person that recognizes the written word
as a vehicle for meaning to ride into the observ ers heart. the
occurance here is gods meaning or "spirit" entering our understanding
and thus enabling our actions to express righteousness which is as god
defines it in the prescription being applied to the circumstance and
or person

serving the tables of the lord is to recognize what the apostles were
doin and why and ministering that as a prescription upon the body of
christ. has nothing to do with "servant leading" oh pls. stop
makin this shit up as gospel inspired far from it

want to serve the lord? be a voice of dissent as the spirits person
entering into the prescriptions of gods word of revelation and apply
it to church proper aka ephesus aka studio aka laodicea aka gypsy aka
the gyp and along the way david realise yourself as philadelphia
ministering to their hapless condition that has been outlined in the
book of revelation. these churchs written of represent attitudes
toward god by the ignorent stupid hopeless as well as the redeemed

these two your engaged with here studly and gyp...are degenerates

[john doe]

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jd

ugly mouths because of ugly minds because of an inclination for it.

see in the end salvation is as stepping onto holy ground in surrender
of hopelessness to "saving faith" and is as a vessel and a vessel is a
shared inclination which produces a basin and basins are for pools and
that is our being created in suspension so that it is eternal endless
boundless and "good"

in the end our being is as a vessel sharing an inclination with god
and therefor we own it for we own our own inclinations we can be an
honest witness to our own vanity and find redemkption in swearing
loyalty to jesus as the christ and that sets the believer on a
different course...one of a soilder, foul mean even aggressive yet
some are kind lifesavers and believers in justice and yet both are
soiulders for the lord in terms of what they no. the enigma is
decoded and being decoded and the gameplan changes accordingly and as
in heaven so be it in the earth or is that the otherway around?
both. its called reconsiliation and redemption of moments that make
up our lives in eyes wide open understanding and recognition of the
relationship we have with most high in christ jesus as the spirits
person

we enter into being the third part of the trinity.... if there is such
a thing then that...

back on topic
we earn our salvation via swearing our loyalties to jesus christ and
that is a commitment to being the spirits person were recieving a
free gift per say but rather an occassion has arisin in jesus christ
and we are invited to join him if so inclined

and about that inclination...the spirit will not always strive with
man and save he repent from the sin of unbelief and subsuquent lack of
accountability to god jesus and his word as the friend of the
bridegroom i.e. john in dissent. save all this nothing else matters

in light of this revelation the cause for your new church aspirations
and filling the pews with frauds is moot

[john doe]

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and thats why in the last day most high will send his servant john in
the spirit of elijah and occuring in us as the spirits person to turn
the hearts of blind children shouting bald head bald head as if the
spirits person has no power or glory in jesus christ. yes to turn
the hardened hearts of the children of us of you and me back to the
hearts of the fathers back to the partakers of the culmination of our
existance into jesus christ. the butterfly affect that has arrived
just in time for us to enter into the time of danials trouble and a
repentant catholic and protestant church will weild the double edged
sword of god and smite anti christ and his false prophet.

science is the false prophet not our faith in jesus christ and
humanism is antichrist denying the spirits person not our professions
of loyalty to the truth of salvation and the revelation of jesus
christ and our inclusion in it

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

David,

As you can tell, this is one of The Scott Cult tragedies
we were talking about. This is why some of us are here.
There are quite a few distant followers of Gene Scott
who have lost their minds. I can't control that part
but I can let the reading folks know that this is what
a cult does to your mind and this is the type of people
that take biblical heresy too far.

This John Doe character is lost in space. Another victim
of "Freedom in Christ" with no sense, no boundaries and
certainly no Spirit. Just the wrong spirit,eh wot.

[john doe]

On Mar 23, 12:24 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

jd
whats important here studio is that you aknowledge the truth of what
you were a witness to for the last 3 yrs of mutual exchanges

the birth of the john a voice of understanding and dissent realised
in scripture for the believer to weild as revelation and judgement

the serfs are empowered and the elites are tuned now sing for me a
beautiful song of hope and devotion as a voice of one accord befor the
Most High Living God of ISRAEL in whos presense we stand as a mighty
angel givin a mighty voice to stand upon the sea of prophecy and earth
of the now lifting its hand to heaving with a shout of glory "it is
finished"

legion appolyon and the rest of'm aint got a chance praise god and
studio you to and all those that dwell upon the earth both small and
great serf and elite alike for salvation is in fact the great
equalizer its their for you when your ready i can change with you
along the way for I AM my brothers keeper but not without
reconsiliation of the truth in christ as we know him and that requires
discovery and honesty and desire for it. all you want is a return to
same ole dead language and impotent foolishness of self destructive
belief systems not even needed for what they claim we already know
right from wrong... we just need to know the rest of the story like
who the bad guy is and the good guy is and why and how and who and
what and when and all the stuff they dont know and dont care about
just send the check with a smile shoot its not even faith just made up
sinfulnature evolving into profanity and blasphemy at this rate it
happens absent revelation and the spirits person to hold his brother
to the flame like a good smelter checking for purity of spiritual
gold. gave ya chances to prove otherwise studly and you were a dog
returning vomit on the way to mutating into a pig trampling truth for
shits and giggles and self preservation of your bubble goes for you
too gyp but alas nevertheless let him that is wicked continue still
and let him that is righteous continue still

for the rest for the repentant and for the beleiver small and great

anytime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzo3viVtjDA

[gypsie]

gypsie: well David, it appears your posting has brought out one of our
resident demons..... why am I not surprised?

This doe person posts here with around 8-9 niks and has only one
purpose and that is to disrupt any meaningful discussions...... a
pretty pathetic person who survives on the same bile that Doc Scott
lived on in his later years.

I hope you will not be discouraged here (as this is the intent from
these few fringe peeps). It is a very good thing that you are here
and, I am most appreciative that you accepted studio's invitation to
answer a few questions for a few of us who retain the hunger but shy
away from 'joining' a church proper.

As I posted originally, I rec'd your mass mailout very snazzy card/
invitation and, it did peak my interest........ I do enjoy attending
new churches.

Again, thank you so much for giving us your valuable time and insight,
Gypsie

[gypsie]

gypsie: David, doc scott believed that he was a domata in accorodance
with Eph 4 and he believed he operated/functioned in all of the
'offices' or gifts (thereby qualifying as a domata). Can you explain
this to me or at least clarify how this is possible? and, how these
would apply in the teaching in your church?

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 4:07 am, da...@firepointchurch.com wrote:

gypsie: yes, this is a very important thing to have clear
understanding about

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 9:24 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

gypsie: Not an unexpected visitation at this time, after all something
really good is taking place here and for this tweaker to enter in to
take his usual dump is what he is all about.

But I'm sure this pastor is not new in recognizing this kind of thing.
There are certainly two or more showing interest here.

Matthew 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in my
name, there am I in the midst of them

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:

> gypsie: Not an unexpected visitation at this time, after all something
>
> really good is taking place here and for this tweaker to enter in to
>
> take his usual dump is what he is all about.
>
>
>
> But I'm sure this pastor is not new in recognizing this kind of thing.
>
> There are certainly two or more showing interest here.
>
>
>
> Matthew 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in my
>
> name, there am I in the midst of them

.
studio:
Yup, and the thing to do is to what?

Abandon afgs? I think not!

Put some of Wagner's views into practice? LOL!
So here's a practical application of Wagner unfolding
right in front of us, let's see what David does.

Somebody pass the popcorn.

note: not laughing at Wagner, but how funny,
a situation has arisen to see it in action.


I picture David like Elvis. Singing and doing Karate
at the same time! Slice and dice baby!

[john doe]

> Gypsie- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

jd

i took note not to intrude upon a personal conversation. his post
opened with "hello everyone"

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Hi John,

Wow thanks for responding. From the sound of it, it seems you have your mind made up. Well, I not here to argue all these points as I doubt you would be convinced by my words anyway, but I do want to say that if you will move beyond your skepticism for a moment you might find that there really are people that want to serve God and serve others and are willing to step out and do something about it. No we are not perfect and no doubt some of your concerns may have some merit, but that is really not the main issue is it. As long as you can find fault with others then you really never need to do anything... right? If you really loved the Father then you would know that we do too. Imperfect as we are we are using our 'talents' as best as we know how to serve Jesus Christ. Come and get to know us and see if your skepticism is justified. We are here to serve those that are exploring their faith and want a safe place to do it. We follow the Bible to the best of our ability. We are not doing anything wrong on purpose, but we want the fullness of what God has for us. I would be glad to go point by point with you in person. Perhaps I would learn something from you as well. It is not about ego or being 'right' and winning the argument that is important, but it is about loving God, loving people and loving one another as Christ loves us. Love covers a multitude of sins and it never fails. People do not come to Firepoint for my preaching, but they come because of our focus on serving others. If you ever wish to meet with me I would be willing to do so. In the meantime I will continue help those that desire my help :)
David

[gypsie]

gypsie
David, this person lives out FL way (we have peeps from everywhere).
So, if you have a church or pastors anywhere out that way that you can
hook him up with??

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Studio... I am ok with this and not surprised at all. People have been hurt, abused and have become very jaded by churches. That is in part what I am here to do is to offer a place that they can safely explore their beliefs and get healed. Until they are healed they will never move beyond this place. They will never reach their full potential in God, but will remain skeptical and resentful. I just want to help. I am so thankful that you invited me to be a part of this. I am excited that a few of you may wish to let go of the bitterness and regrets face your fears and move on with your walk with God. Really I am very excited about this and want to do all that I can :) There are some amazing people here and I want them to know that they matter and that God has an amazing future for them if they will take the next step. I want to take a moment that thank all the readers for taking the time to read my posts. Thank you!
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

There are a lot of great churches... HIM has a search tool: http://harvestim.org/. FL is a big place if I knew the town perhaps I could help more. David

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:
> > David, this person lives out FL way (we have peeps from everywhere).
>
> >
>
> > So, if you have a church or pastors anywhere out that way that you can
>
> >
>
> > hook him up with??
>
>
>
> There are a lot of great churches... HIM has a search tool: http://harvestim.org/. FL is a big place if I knew the town perhaps I could help more. David

.
studio:

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[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AtbsMnmFe0

[gypsie]

gypsie: that is kewl, anonymity is key word in this NG, nobody really
knows much about his real location and, he is not required to tell.
But mebbe this will give him a clue and he will check out your link?

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

gypsie:

> gypsie: that is kewl, anonymity is key word in this NG, nobody really
>
> knows much about his real location and, he is not required to tell.
>
> But mebbe this will give him a clue and he will check out your link?

Nice link but as you know you can lead a jackass to water,
but you can't make him think.

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 2:08 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

gypsie: yup I know studio. I also know that joeXmpd8 is jest getting
started on his loop-d-loop. Mebbe he can divert to a new hamster wheel
and leave this ng alone for a while

[Ronny TX]

Re: Firepoint Church
Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 9:09am (CDT-2) From:
surf...@gmail.com (john doe)

On Mar 23, 8:14 am, john doe <surfk...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 23, 7:05 am, da...@firepointchurch.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:16:54 AM UTC-7, . (((((((studio))))))) .
wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:10:02 AM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:
On Mar 23, 12:08 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:


gypsie:
more links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Peter_Wagner

Studio:

Spiritual warfare eh? Sounds interesting.
yah this did sound interesting!!
I'm just not sure about the whole apostolic thing.
I'm sure something like that is bound to happen
before The Second Advent, just not sure if one
can pinpoint it to a year like 2001.
Then again, reading anything Wikipedia is like
reading the side of a cereal box looking for
what's in it.

David:

It's not about the title, but the function. The apostolic office is to
help bring unity in the body, to build networks and to help networks
communicate with each other. It is not rulership, but being a servant
leader. Being a professor Peter loves to define things... But it is open
to debate whether he is right... again a non-essential. David

Ronny to Phl:
No Phl,we don't earn our salvation and no lost person can bring themself
to repentance,for that person is dead in their trespasses and sins
against God. So,it is God and God alone,who brings the lost person to
repentance.

"Or do you despise the riches of his goodness and forbearance and
longsuffering;not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to
repentance?" Romans 2:4

"He (Jesus Christ) was in the world and the world was made by him and
the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him
not. But as many as received him,to them gave he power to become the
sons of God,even to them that believe on his name. Which were born,not
of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of
God." John 1:10,13

"For God hath concluded them all (everyone of us) in unbelief,that he
might have mercy upon all." Romans 11:32

"So then it is not of him that wills,nor of him that runs, but of God
that shows mercy." Romans 9:16

"And you hath he (God) quickened (made alive),who were dead in
trespasses and sins. Wherein in time past you walked according to the
course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the
air,the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience. Among
whom also we all had our conversation (manner of life) in times past in
the lusts of our flesh,fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the
mind and were by nature the children of wrath,even as others. But God,
who is rich in mercy,for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when
we were dead in sins,has quickened us (made us alive) together with
Christ,(by grace you are saved;) And has raised us up together and made
us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to
come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness
toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are you saved through faith
and that not of yourselves,it is the gift of God. Not of works,lest any
person should boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ
Jesus unto good works,
which God has before ordained (prepared) that we should walk in them."
Ephesians 2:1,10

[rpbc]

Loop de loop has just started since rtx got into it with his bible thumping. I might get ill watching this. David...you seem like a good fella. Youre in for a gentle rain of shit though with rtx....gentle or not it is still shit. Just saying...

[babyshoes]

On Mar 22, 9:03 pm, gypsie <gypsiel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 22, 8:39 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > gypsie:
>
> > > so you and I are basically neighbors babys? did you also get one of
>
> > > these mail outs?
>
> > > This church does sound interesting, I'm always good to go visit a
>
> > > newbie hmmmmmmmmmmm
>
> > You know gypsie......Easter Sunday would be a good time
> > to visit this place. I'm just saying......
>
> > There's a time for everything.
>
> we'll see. I feel I need more info first (pretty cautious these days)

i think a new church is a nice place to go for a service, though the
foundation has been laid
by a parent church here, it's a new venture and spirits are high.

I have a load of relitives visiting here.
My Uncle is moving.

I use to go (out that way) through sunland toward mt. Gleason to a
little stocked fishing spot up there in the mountains, when I go up
there now, I'm still shocked and saddened from the damage of the
fires.

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 3:38 pm, rpbc <b_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Loop de loop has just started since rtx got into it with his bible thumping.  I might get ill watching this.  David...you seem like a good fella.  Youre in for a gentle rain of shit though with rtx....gentle or not it is still shit.  Just saying...

GYPSIE: yah RTX is our resident homosexual trolling for fresh meat. He
posts scriptures with the intent for snaring fresh little boyz. He
does not care one whit except that he wants to convince some trusting
soul that his twisted view of scripture will ease the transition into
the gay and gawd will approve.

[john doe]

pd

it seems you have your mind made up. Well, I not here to argue all
these points

jd
not here to defend the gospel truth eh?

pd

as I doubt you would be convinced by my words anyway,

jd
on givin your lack of thought this is true

pd

but I do want to say that if you will move beyond your skepticism for
a moment

jd
screw you mister. you just broad stroked me out of the way without a
direct address to anything i put forth which deals with contention
against the likes of your baal worshippin humanist ass so no ill keep
my skeptisism your on trial not me mister im a pastor here to
help?????


pd

you might find that there really are people that want to serve God
and serve others and are willing to step out and do something about
it.

jd
and what is that more humanist stroking and feel good fables? join the
circle jerk in the corner with the gyp and studly stroker so ya get
off on apostasy and blasphamy do ya...


pd

No we are not perfect and no doubt some of your concerns may have
some merit,

jd
i dont think you retained one word i posted in detailed response to
you sir. dont think ya read it really just a glance cause you have no
idea what im talkin about nor do you care about these greivences with
church proper no your here pastor dave to follow your lil program they
gave you to witness and fill the pews dont matter just get the bodies
in the seats your here to listen to yourself not others bra


pd

but that is really not the main issue is it. As long as you can find
fault with others then you really never need to do anything... right?

jd
who are you to tell me what makes me tick you just broad stroked
everything im about so you could get back to hearing yourself fraud
and no your assesment of my motive is as incorrect as your lie that
your here to help

im not here to find fault with others im here dissenting against
church proper its legalism hypocracy and half truth its presumption in
our lives with baal worshipping humanism and merchandising as a
substitute for living sacrifices and the accountability and commitment
to jesus christ and his revelation that goes with it

repent priest of baal repent ya fraud repent of the manpleasing ethic
you use to replace the righteousness of god and dismiss the judgement
of the spirits person


pd

If you really loved the Father then you would know that we do too.

jd
you havent said a thing to make a believer out of me and actualy your
response indicates your unprepaired for the likes of me dave

afgs heads up when most high returns its the likes of these here like
dave a luminati wanna be i suppose puttin everybody to sleep with his
psychology he calls gods word lmao he would do better to just go into
secular fields psychology and family counseling cause i dont hink dave
here is capable of ministering to the needs of healing disillusionment
with the truth in the body of christ.... leave the buisness of heaven
to the enlightened seeking and administering revelation for the
redeemed and righteous judgement upon a sinful world "even so come
lord come" remember? no dave here is to busy bein the worlds friend
to look up his redemption draws nigh and is pissed and who needs it
dave here has the answers right dave?


pd

Imperfect as we are we are using our 'talents' as best as we know how
to serve Jesus Christ

jd
do that in any setting dont ya? and for jesus christ? all you can do
for jesus christ is realize how wrong you are and that your a part of
the problem popular christian and evangelical my ass... who needs it
the dont even know where they come from or why i tried to tedll his
ignabt protestin ass but he aint listening to busy waiting to resume
his presumed platform for being a shinning light unto those lost in
darkness.

your lack of any response at all to "my questions" if ya want to call
it that and which you invited after your heartfelt introduction to
everyone was heard


pd

Come and get to know us and see if your skepticism is justified.

jd
your validating my skepticism here and now


pd

We are here to serve those that are exploring their faith and want a
safe place to do it.

jd
safe? you are part of a belief system that is perpetuating half truth
at the expense of the spirits person. repressin the truth of the
importance of decoded revelation and the prescription of john upon
peters false church and your calling it safe?

ignorent and succeptable to antichrist at best folks. dave here is
just more of the same. blind and lost and sitting as a queen in
need of nothing just like a good product of jezebel

pd

We follow the Bible to the best of our ability. We are not doing
anything wrong on purpose, but we want the fullness of what God has
for us.

jd
then dont shut me down but rather listen. and you listen until you
get it dinned in their

look after twenty yrs of participation in baal worship what you call
godly living and participation in church which i call eating foods
sacrificed unto idols and a stumbling block. after twenty yrs of the
mistaken conclusion and misplaced loyalty i discovered in gods word
that god anticipated the fall out goin on in the church world and has
prescribed john as the only righteous response in dissent to your
version of christianity which is bullshit. and your not here to
argue these points i know but really your not even in the ball park of
truth and revelation of gods word the testimony of jesus and the
things jophn saw. no where in gods word does there seem to be an
indication that we need to be "servant leaders" lmao

i explained it and ya ignored that also pastor yea right

pd

I would be glad to go point by point with you in person. Perhaps I
would learn something from you as well.

jd
i have givin you ample opprotunity and criteria but you chose the
least of my posts and have responded to none of my assertions which
call into question you and your church and its reason for being and or
lack there of

pd

It is not about ego or being 'right' and winning the argument that is
important,

jd
yawn

pd

but it is about loving God, loving people and loving one another as
Christ loves us

jd
man shut up. like i dont know that. i love them with the truth i
face the tough questions not your cotton candy plastic religion and
feel good lets be friends be happy. IN THE MIDDLE OF AS FUCKIN WAR
ZONE WHERE ITS LIFE AND DEATH OF THE TRUTH AND THE LIVES THAT HANG IN
THE BALANCE AND ARE LEFT JUST AS IGNORENT IF NOT MORE STUPID BY THE
TIME YOUR DONE WITH THEM

pd

. Love covers a multitude of sins and it never fails.

jd
love is givin eyes wide open and shared upon holyground your ignorent
dave and in the camp of antichrist

pd

People do not come to Firepoint for my preaching, but they come
because of our focus on serving others.

jd
helping yourself to them
what pays the bills for the building and the pastors salaries

youve turned god into a fucking money maker baal worshipper

how bout you lose the overhead and if ya really want to do it like in
the bible then everybody shares in all things around the mystery of
the word of god thats right give the money back to us insted of
shoving it into your bs reasons for takin it from us give to the
widow and the fatherless and the hungry and homeless. go commune
somewhere man if ya mean it! otherwise get your fuckin commitment
free from god and the sheep you raid hands out of my pocket and gods
word will suffice in the absence of your half hearted invitation for
questions and answers


pd

If you ever wish to meet with me I would be willing to do so.

jd
there were no preconditions to meeting with you when you invited
questions after the heartfelt introduction of yours that we listened
to in detail and without delay or precondition


pd

In the meantime I will continue help those that desire my help :)

jd
im the only one that could have helped you dave and studly and gyp
here are helpless i told ya their degenerates. least thats what they
have exemplified over the last three yrs i have read them. hes
hateful and shes indifferent hence ephesus and laodicea.

and your helpin yourself stroker till ya prove otherwise just join the
circle jerk in the corner yall go feel good about yourself with your
half truth made up god and worship there of'm

see you got nerve commin into my afgs house expecting me to listen to
you from your heart introduction to everyone with an invitation for
questions "afterward" lol you got nerve tellin me if i want to talk to
you i gotta come see you and sit my ass in your pew???? i listened to
you asshole now recipicate pastor dave or get out of my house. listen
and answer my questions here not there ya cop out unprepaired ignorent
priest of baal.

truth is you have no answers and are just checkin on the sleepers
administering more spiritual nyguil sleep now dont think

you broadstroked my questions rightout of existance after inviting
it. what an asshole...talkin bout come to my church and lets meet
and then ill talk to ya. bs knowin i aint goin to his damned stupid
excuse for collecting money called a building so they can peer
pressure ya into confusion and goin along to get along

RUN FORREST RUN lmao

ways i see it ya started it here now finish it here we can talk right
here point by point and even do a better job of discussing things with
the liberty to reveiw whsatr is said and edit your responses into
refined reasoning

right here is fine or your a cop out fraud thanks but no thanks if
thats the case wanna be but needs to go home to baal ville

[rpbc]

Rpbc: Bingo Gypsie. It's a blackout...every square covered.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

rpbc:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:38:26 PM UTC-7, rpbc wrote:
> Loop de loop has just started since rtx got into it with his bible thumping. I might get ill watching this. David...you seem like a good fella. Youre in for a gentle rain of shit though with rtx....gentle or not it is still shit. Just saying...

.
studio:

Neither Ronny or kevin (john doe) asked a question.
That's why they sit in the back of the room facing the wall.

Yes rpbc, David is a nice person. Caring enough to
become a church pastor and with the concerns of contributing
to those less fortunate and spiritually frustrated.

How can anyone fault that?

Remove the Wagner concerns and the Rick Warren and you would still have
a man that cares. I did that with Gene Scott. I put my doctrinal
differences aside like the pre trib stuff and just tried to
get on with serving God (through Gene).

I'm not saying that's the wisest of angles to take but it
doesn't create any divisions along the path.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:38:26 PM UTC-7, rpbc wrote:

> Loop de loop has just started since rtx got into it with his bible thumping. I might get ill watching this. David...you seem like a good fella. Youre in for a gentle rain of shit though with rtx....gentle or not it is still shit. Just saying...

Hey rpbc, if you're not doing anything on Easter Sunday
we could visit David's church. No lawyers will be present!

I think it's his grand opening too. Is that right gypsie? David?

[rpbc]

Rpbc: I am using the touch screen on my phone so economy of words. In Idaho last few days. Sounds good. Where is it and when does it start? That week I have special considerations so time of day matters. David might be a lot of things but he is caring and sincere...in that context differences are interesting and engaging to explore. A product of thoughfulness..the result of caring. Selah.

[rpbc]

Rpbc...will be returning monday. Driving.

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:48:33 PM UTC-7, rpbc wrote:
> Rpbc...will be returning monday. Driving.

Love it... we are located at 7754 McGroarty St. Sunland, CA. 91042
10 AM and 12 Noon for Easter
Differences are welcomed :)
David

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

Yes Easter is the grand opening! Kinda fun to be someplace for the first day. Hope some of you can make it. Don't ever turn your brain off to attend Firepoint, but don't major in the minors either. Find a place that is not afraid of the truth and not afraid to be wrong. I hope I am becoming both :)
David

[john doe]

jd
and so shall it be in that day
your dismissed with no regard david.

eat drink be merry ya easter heathen mystery religion babylonian
priest of baal wanna be

and now you know "pastor richardson" maybe nobody else intead of
"everybody" else will know it but you do. know the real light that is
for it revealed your inadequecy for all its worth and you whislted
your way straight off of holygropund stupid and it will stand a
witness against your fraudulance cast into the light of anti christ
and found wanting. maybe this lil exchange will be our dirty lil
secret or painted over confusion and then theres the classic
misunderstanding.

helpin those that want it? what about those that dont realize their
own need hypocryt. pull that shit out of your eye befor you go
shutting mine for your convienience and even then it just aint
happennin. this voice goin away that is

you and your baal worshippin humanism will go away but not the truth
and those inclined upon it

any further disruption from you and you'll be expelled from class or
maybe your in the wrong classroom . thesbians and hypocryts down
the hall david down the hall:)

[gypsie]

gypsie: Shut the hell up DUFUSS, time to go take a pill with a shot of
Jack Black.

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

David,

What do you make of these short videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY8TOHPUQgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQrTjbzbByA

[gypsie]

On Mar 23, 9:31 pm, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

gypsie: studio here is the full length film re kundalini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1HC-3s3uI

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Hidj1OGcE

[gypsie]

gypsie: of course you knew I would find Hoggie on his subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPkZ-hGZKpw

[Ronny TX]

Re: Firepoint Church
Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 3:38pm (CDT-2) From:
b_...@hotmail.com (rpbc)


RPBC:

Ronny to RPBC:
RPBC,what you call a gentle rain of shit, was simply my posting to
Phl,in this thread,telling him where I disagreed with him on something
he said and then my posting a few scriptures,pertaining to that.

[Ronny TX]

Re: Firepoint Church
Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 3:47pm (CDT-2) From:
gypsi...@gmail.com (gypsie)

On Mar 23, 3:38 pm, rpbc <b_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

RPBC:

Ronny to Gypsie:
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love,joy,
peace,longsuffering,gentleness, goodness,faith,meekness,temperance:
against such there is no law." Galatains 5:22,23

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of
God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and
also to the Greek.  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
Romans 1:16,17

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is
love and he that dwells in love dwells in God,and God in him." 1 John
4:16

[rpbc]

Rpbc: So what. Thats what it is.

[Ronny TX]

Re: Firepoint Church
Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 5:59pm (CDT-2) From:
b_...@hotmail.com (rpbc)

Rpbc: Bingo Gypsie. It's a blackout...every square covered.

Ronny:
"And he (Jesus Christ) spoke this parable unto certain which trusted in
themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went
up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a
publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I
thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust,
adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give
tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off,
would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his
breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man
went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one
that exalts himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall
be exalted."
Luke 18:10,14

[da...@firepointchurch.com]

I never try to limit the Spirit of God to what I may be comfortable with. At times God stretches us. One person said, "What offends the mind reveals the heart". I notice some really inaccurate statements made in these videos... Peter Wagner is not the head apostle of the entire Charismatic movement. How could they say that? It certainly shows a certain bias. He does have a network of friends that have themselves large networks, but he does not have direct say in their operation. Sometimes people believe what they want to believe regardless of facts. I know Peter personally and he would be the first to admit he has made mistakes... who hasn't? But what he wants is the fullness of what God has for us. How is that a bad thing? He was a missionary in South American and did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit, but when he saw with his own eyes the finger of God healing people, etc. He began to search it out. Here are a few scriptures to ponder:

2 Chronicles 5:14 (NASB)
14 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God.

Acts 2:13-16 (NASB)
13 But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine."
14 But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: "Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words.
15 "For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day;
16 but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:

Why is it so hard to think that God might poor his spirit out and people do things that people think is silly? Their is president within the bible for this type of behavior is there not?

I am not here to defend that actions of all of these individuals, but rather I choose not to judge them. Yes there is some who act in fleshy demonstrations to to draw attention to themselves, but there are others that have a humble spirit and only want the fullness of the Spirit.

Do you believe is miracles?
Do you believe in the gifts of the Spirit?
Do you believe in the infilling of the Spirit of God?
Do you believe that God heals?
Do you believe that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever?

Yes we must judge things and have discernment, but where do we draw the line. When are we judging what we believe to be true and when are we judging another man's servant. It is ground we should tread lightly on with wisdom.

I can testify that many of these people have fruitful lives serving others in the name of Jesus. That their experiences have helped and not hindered them. That some of these individuals have done more to build the Kingdom of God than most anyone I can think of. Thousands of churches preaching Jesus Christ born of a virgin, living a sinless life, bodily crucified and raising from the dead on the third day. Who now sits and the right hand side of our Heavenly Father and will be the judge of all. They believe in the same good news as you. So why judge them. Let God be their judge.

I am not saying to agree with all that you see in the videos, Nor am I saying you need to participate in that kind of meeting. What I am saying is be open to what the Spirit of God can do. It is not the Antichrist to be drunk in the Spirit nor is it heresy to participate in a move of the Spirit different than what you are use to. Each must judge for themselves.

Saying all of this, I feel it is important for you to know that you will not likely be seeing this at Firepont's Sunday morning service :). That is not how Holy Spirit operates with us. We are a house of healing, outreach and equipping. We are about building bridges to people who desire to draw near to God. We do not want to create barriers. Don't be sidetracked by peculiar actions of others, but stay focused on Jesus and only do what you feel God is leading you to do.

This brief, short reply cannot adequately address these videos, so please do not take this as the complete answer. It would take a book and more, but know that there is more to God than is in your personal experiences and beliefs and each person is responsible to do what they feel is right. Don't let anyone tell you different. You have the Spirit of God living in you... Trust him! Participate in only what you feel led to participate in. No one should force you, nor make you feel like you need to do something you feel is wrong.

This is a really complex subject and I have done my best to address it in this type of forum. I personally choose not to judge people because they are different or move in the Spirit differently than I. I trust Holy Spirit to guide me in all truth. I do not fear new things nor do I blindly jump in. I ask for God's guidance and trust him to keep me safe.

If any of you want to discuss this in more detail I would be glad to meet with you.

God bless,
David

[Ronny TX]

Re: Firepoint Church
Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 5:59pm (CDT-2) From:

studi...@gmail.com (. (((((((studio))))))) .)

rpbc:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:38:26 PM UTC-7, rpbc wrote:

RPBC:

Loop de loop has just started since rtx got into it with his bible
thumping. I might get ill watching this. David...you seem like a good
fella. Youre in for a gentle rain of shit though with rtx....gentle or
not it is still shit. Just saying...

Studio:

studio:
Neither Ronny or kevin (john doe) asked a question. That's why they sit
in the back of the room facing the wall.

Yes rpbc, David is a nice person. Caring enough to become a church
pastor and with the concerns of contributing to those less fortunate and
spiritually frustrated.
How can anyone fault that?
Remove the Wagner concerns and the Rick Warren and you would still have
a man that cares. I did that with Gene Scott. I put my doctrinal
differences aside like the pre trib stuff and just tried to get on with
serving God (through Gene).
I'm not saying that's the wisest of angles to take but it doesn't create
any divisions along the path.

"Neither Ronny or kevin (john doe) asked a question. That's why they sit
in the back of the room facing the wall."

Ronny to Studio:
Studio,just the other day,you were geting after me in another thread,for
my asking some questions. :-) So are you now saying,that I was obliged
to ask a question,for me to post in this thread? Well,I didn't have a
question for Phl,when I posted back to him;but instead,I had a comment.
And I simply commented to him,as to where I disagrees with him,on a
matter and also gave some scriptures,
showing why I did.

[john doe]

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man fuck you

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

On Mar 23, 11:46 pm, Acts17...@webtv.net (Ronny TX) wrote:
> Re: Firepoint Church
> Group: alt.fan.gene-scott Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 5:59pm (CDT-2) From:

> studios...@gmail.com (. (((((((studio))))))) .)

David wanted us to ask him questions about his church.
kevin wanted to derail the conversation and I think you fell for it.
This thread is about Firepoint and David as pastor. Some of us want to
get to know him better.

You of all people know how a new church setting can be frightening,
right?
So let's focus and pray that we've made a new friend.

[john doe]

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jd to gyp
go to hell ya degenerate fraud you and your hateful bitched out
coward girlyman studly.

yeah on second thought david you can have these two gyp and stud. go
on losers park your arsses in his pews over to the baal house five and
dime gospel hour you all deserve eachother bunch of spiritual
masterbaiters in a circle jerk down at the corner of firepoint.
they will answer questions there.... lol what an asshole this david
firepoint crap lmao. fuckin money changer and elitist wanna be. ya
ignored me david so i suppose your practicin. like jesus said to
followers ill answer your questions when you come to my house lmao.
son of man has no place to lay his head so they talked on the way .
bu tdavid stroker here has an agenda to get any ole fool that will
come to sit his/her/its ass down in the pews of the firepoint as they
pass the plate and vasaline.

take them both plz. truth is these two degenerates arnt goin
anywhere.
their vamp cannibals preying on the unsuspecting david you were baited
in her to toy with and by what i have read of you. you need to be
clowned ya selective hearing easter dreamin ass christian fraud.
can we talk bout servicing that mister servant leadfer lol ole dave
just makes it up and it dont matter. breaking promises to answer
questions and setting down conditions after being recieved in good
faith.

yea fuck you dave fuck you gypsy and fuck you studio

i will make them to bow befor you and to know that i have loved thee
philadelphia

[. (((((((studio))))))) .]

The problem here david is that JD wants sooo bad to be
like you. While people take what you say seriously, they just
clown on kevin. He brings it upon himself as you have noticed.

He wants to be that rockstar preacher you talked about. He even
has Youtube videos. Mostly Bible Babble.

So david, you must have an opinion on that Kuhndalini stuff?
It can't be all objective, all the time.

[gypsie]

On Mar 24, 1:59 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

gypsie: show me where in any of the posts from these two above that
they even reveal any comprehension of what this NG is all about. RTX
still believes he has found some christian site to get up on his
soapbox and soud off too. And, doeXmpd8 well he is definitely doing
what is expected..... loop d loop getting louder as he tweaks and
drinks. Neither can be expected to make any sense.

[babyshoes]

On Mar 23, 4:07 am, da...@firepointchurch.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:10:02 AM UTC-7, gypsie wrote:

> > On Mar 23, 12:08 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>

>
> > wrote:
>
> > > gypsie:
>
> > > > more links
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Peter_Wagner
>
> > > Spiritual warfare eh? Sounds interesting.
>
> > yah this did sound interesting!!
>

> yes we do teach this and it is very important to understand it! Mostly Eph. 6 related.
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Ephesians 4 ,

If Peter believed that lieing on purpose effected the whole body of
the church then you could see how important it is for the whole body
to be in Christ Jesus, through the will of the father, and do what
ought to be done, his commands. The stronger the body (mass) doing the
Lords will, the more the Holy Spirit can do wonders and miracles.

but haven't we through denominations become like tribes?

When I first saw fire point and there locations, I thought of the
religion before Islam,where they had fire temples everywhere.
And I wonder if they had a fiery spirit of some kind that they
worshiped, and maybe some churches are of "the Spirit" and others
are of the Holy Spirit .

The Holy Spirit dwelling were the father and son are.



When we talk about the Holy Spirit, we are talking about a living
life force, it grieves, it speaks,
it gets angry, can be insulted, cursed at, and lied to.

It's alive, powerful and fragile and truly dwells in us, and as David
said, about fire-point, come see our fruit.

We do know what the fruit of the Holy Spirit is.

And Mary, received it when she was blessed among all women, by the
fruit of her womb Jesus.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Against such things there is no law.


Shepherding Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement

[gypsie]

so babys, may we assujme you will attend on Sunday and get back to us?

[babyshoes]

On Mar 24, 5:50 am, babyshoes <mthrb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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<<When John was released from exile, John returned to Ephesus and
lived till the time of the Roman emperor Trajan.
It is said that John, "Founded and built churches throughout all Asia,
and worn out by old age, died in the sixty-eight year after our Lord's
passion and was buried near the same city (Ephesus)."

There is a church tradition, which says, that when John was evidently
an old man in Ephesus, he had to be carried to the church in the arms
of his disciples. At these meetings, he was accustomed to say no more
than, "Little children, love one another!" After a time, the
disciples wearied at always hearing the same words, asked, "Master,
why do you always say this?" "It is the Lord's command," was his
reply. "And if this alone be done, it is enough!" >>

[gypsie]

On Mar 24, 1:59 am, ". (((((((studio))))))) ." <studios...@gmail.com>
wrote:

gypsie: if you mean he wants to be a pastor, don't think so. doe's
aspirations are and have been to be like doc and he is upset that doc
annointed his porn star wife to succeed him instead of others in his
flock (albeit that doe never had the cojones to even show up in Los
Angeles or Glumdale, CA to work up close and personal) HAH it is a
foregone conclusion that he would not have lasted one day as the
moment he even attempted to cross the line with doc, he would have
been out on his ear grovelling to get back in.

doc and his inner krew may have kept him around for amusement but that
would have been the extent of it. doe and his multiples are soooooo
disappointed that he was not appointed to be the all powerful
domata........ chastising, damning to hell, punishing, oppressing the
flock. Pastoring would be to mild to him as he would need to serve
(hell mebbe he would even be called to wash someone's feet??) That is
why he hangs out here. A long distance broadcast loser that can only
demean himself trying to make others feel small.

My take on David is that he won't suffer fools and therefore, like
most of us, will simply ignore these actings out if this infantile
momma's boy.

I would be surprised if David does hang here much once he realizes
what forces are really at work in this NG....... no it is not
personalities or sour grapes of former employees et al. It is truly
spiritual warfare everytime one posts here with the realization that
some of us have and do put ourselves on the line each time (knowing
that we risk alot, the wrath of planet can be pretty intense)