Sneaky Pastor Melissa Scott going off the Air
studio
AFGS offices and our mailroom guys rang the
big red bell like they do when we recieve
advertisement from TBN or Fry's electronics.
So in a nutshell, Pastor Melissa Scott is
no longer going to be on TV. It is her choice to
just be a nutcase internet "blogger" and
web fanatic with a HD camera for no good reason.
She has dwindled away the money that we gave
over the years and has twisted the reasoning to
make it seem like this was God's calling on her
life. She mentions nothing about Gene Scott
other than continued talking head for funds.
Pastor Melissa Scott is one step closer to
realizing her socalled "ministry" is just like
the business across the street, green grass
and the facade of church but full of works
and dead men's bones.
Maybe someone will post the letter today.
rpbc
rpbc:
Laughing out Loud..... Okay, someone get to the mailroom right now
and find out how long that letter sat before it came to the attention
of the central afgs committee on advance. If there was any lag
between the arrival and it's presentation the committee demands to
know the name of the one responsible so the process of degradation and
humiliation can move forward.
studio
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> rpbc:
> Laughing out Loud..... Okay, someone get to the mailroom right now
> and find out how long that letter sat before it came to the attention
> of the central afgs committee on advance. If there was any lag
> between the arrival and it's presentation the committee demands to
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studio:
The procrastinator really was Pastor Melissa Scott herself.
You see, she should've sent that letter about five years ago!
But as we all know, our Melissa is a little lazy and a little bit
of a self righteous snob when it comes to tell her congregrunts
about the status of their place of worship.
As long as they send money she just doesn't care.
nopms
rpbc
rpbc:
Yes... but they aren't sending money. Just think, this all could have
been avoided if she'd come clean from the beginning after Scott
died.... but no, the pictures were photo shopped and all these
malcontents were told to be prepared to be poor, really poor. It's
not that she's reverting to type, she never left it, came in working
it as a trick from the very start and it shows in so many ways....
and, since she's the one responsible for the lag time punishment will
be hers.
On the other hand it can be said that the Internet is the new medium
and she's being progressive and ahead of the curve by focusing
resources on it. The short wave will the next to go.
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studio:
Listen, she's a bitch! You know as well as I do that all bitches
just want to get abused and "bitchslapped" hmmm? that's where the
word comes from....in 16 different languages!
She's ready to recieve the next man in line to slap her around for a
while.
Then she feels justified, empowered when they do and she then begins
her weave of deception... and gold digging is her only love and
motivation
even unto planning estates and poisonings...herbs,
remedies......sounds
like greek words...pharmakia, sorcery, witches and pagan stuff.
Did I mention she's a bitch?
Her lesbianated motivations rise to the surface when she's under
this type of scrutiny. no TV, no questions.......NOT!
AFGS news is eyewitness news.
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Progressive my ass!
She might think that, but an Internet church? Really? Maybe I'm just
truly behind the times, a very unprogressive wench, yet I can't get my
head or ass around the idea of anyone "pastoring sheep unseen" where
those who respond are anonymous baa baas whose words alone define
them.
Without personal interaction there's no way a pastor can fulfill their
obligations to watch over those under their care. Not to mention the
medium shuts down the responsbility for those involved to bear one
another's burdens...to lift each other up, to help when one stumbles.
Personally, unless the web site is an offshoot of a real live church,
I don't see how this can be called anything other than a farce--
Oh dear, such an ignorant chit am I. Since when was it anything but a
farce? You know, a platform from which to boast, torture and abuse?
I wonder, how must PMS feel to realize she couldn't keep afloat what
she got handed to her on a silver platter? That only hardcore fans
stayed, probably out of loyalty to Doc.
It's not nice to pretend that the skeleton in the closet isn't there.
Especially when the bones have been heard rattling clean across the
country.
rpbc
Judee77:
> Progressive my ass!
>
> She might think that, but an Internet church? Really? Maybe I'm just
> truly behind the times, a very unprogressive wench, yet I can't get my
> head or ass around the idea of anyone "pastoring sheep unseen" where
> those who respond are anonymous baa baas whose words alone define
> them.
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> Without personal interaction there's no way a pastor can fulfill their
> obligations to watch over those under their care. Not to mention the
> medium shuts down the responsbility for those involved to bear one
> another's burdens...to lift each other up, to help when one stumbles.
> Personally, unless the web site is an offshoot of a real live church,
> I don't see how this can be called anything other than a farce--
>
> Oh dear, such an ignorant chit am I. Since when was it anything but a
> farce? You know, a platform from which to boast, torture and abuse?
> I wonder, how must PMS feel to realize she couldn't keep afloat what
> she got handed to her on a silver platter? That only hardcore fans
> stayed, probably out of loyalty to Doc.
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rpbc:
By being progressive I wasn't allowing that she not have KH 2 with
sunday services, just that with the new medium being the Internet her
broadcast dollars being focused there could be considered ahead of the
curve. I'm trying to be objective as well as considerate of her
because, in fact, she's obviously retreating and no good kicking
someone when they're going down. Gene Scott can probably hear the
bones rattling even now just as we heard his the last ten years of his
life..... but, you never know... I wouldn't have believed the
situation as it is now when I was a true scottie in the very early
eighties. You know, taking the devils side, if she were a little more
talented she might be able to pull it off but it's looking bad for her
at this point. I honestly believe if she had taken afgs advice from
the beginning, especially with the testimony she could have given, and
used, about her past coupled with honesty about Gene Scott's
obsessions and abuse, plus careful editing of his material and keeping
it available.... she could have had made a go of it. But she was in
the face of everybody with "I'm It" and there's the door if you don't
like it..... ha... tag Melissa, you're it.
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Maybe she honestly thinks we are lying about her past!
She might have a short term memory loss or something.
I mean, she can't really expect anyone to believe she
is pulling the wool over anyone's eyes?
Even people in her congregation know she is Barbie Bridges.
Queen of the never rented porn videos!
She's not fooling anyone but herself. God is not fooled.
God likes to expose things, bring it to the table and
heal the sins that lay under the surface.
She's in for a little "wake the fuck up" from God.
It's overdue.
matt2442
> studio:
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> The procrastinator really was Pastor Melissa Scott herself.
> You see, she should've sent that letter about five years ago!
>
> But as we all know, our Melissa is a little lazy and a little bit
> of a self righteous snob when it comes to tell her congregrunts
> about the status of their place of worship.
>
> As long as they send money she just doesn't care.
Matt2442:
She like Gene Scott before her doesn't think they need or even deserve
to know about these things. Just 'this is how it is and if you don't
like it..GET OUT!!!" Eventually when there's no one left but a very
few, she might get a clue that people don't like to be treated like
that, and don't have to put up with it to be saved. Once they finally
get that message, they can leave her with the assurance that their
salvation is not in jeopardy for it.
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The wake up.... it might come from God but she'll blame it on others,
like afgs.
studio
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> The wake up.... it might come from God but she'll blame it on others,
> like afgs.
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studio:
....and she'll be glad to know that God also used AFGS
to bring about HIS plan for her life.
Until then, she's gonna get screwed just like her porn movies.
It must be strange getting "the screws" from God.
listen, I'm not typing all this because I somehow hate
The Scott Cult or any of their administration, nope,
I type
because I'm happy!
I type
because I'm free!
HIS eye is on the pastor
and I know
production skills aren't cheap!
-studio
2010
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I think this entire thing is one big experiment in grief. The
atmosphere of sorrow was such that not a one, from top to bottom, came
out untouched. I don't believe for a second Doc's hard-ass heart
wasn't affected in some way. Might have only been a second here or
there, but he knew of the pain he put onto others.
Perhaps the only way he felt he could be loved was to take it by
force. How lonely must it be for a man to believe people would
naturally turn away, that who he was simply would not be enough? So,
incapable of injecting choice, of letting one's will freely express
itself toward him, he assured the outcome through killing the
collective conscience and ego of his congregation.
One must wonder why he got worse after he found the love of his life?
Seeing he could only pack that Cathedral with the idea of his
impending death, I think he used it without even realizing that day
would actually come. Because he forgot himself before God.
As to Melissa, the strutting cock that Scott became is the only thing
she ever encountered. She was competition, and damned if she wasn't
going to get the last rose. Like attracts like so she already had
similar traits which became emboldened by Doc's psychotic break. You
remember how she took the stage and dressed down the congregation for
not responding to the man's abuse? (Course those weren't the words
she used...rather how the sheep were taking advantage of the priceless
one gifted to them by God.)
One cannot interact with images on tapes so though she could study
Doc's earlier years when he probably still had a heart that dreamed,
she was already damaged goods by putting herself in a lifestyle that
killed innocence and modesty and love. Who could ever be fond of who
she really was?
And these two joined where she became an extension of Doc's abuse.
That she could jump up at his command and go deliver his slaps to
somone not in his reach...that was a "quality" he was looking for.
When Scott died, she took on his characteristics, like playing a part,
seeing she already had the experience of getting her heart out of the
way for maximum objectification. She was somebody now, and no one
would fuck her ever again. Nope, she moved the focus off her
"unmentionables" to that 186 IQ.
Unfortunately in both gigs the one thing needed to take it to the top
was her heart. Which was on ice by the very nature of her chosen
profession. And since she refused to come clean (like you said),
there was a definite disconnect. And it's a sorry sorry state.
Both she and Doc thought they could continue on in sins without ever
exposing themselves. Perhaps it was just too frightening a thought
for those two terrified souls. She believed she'd outdo even Doc (I
think). I can't imagine how it must feel for her to run the numbers
and realize her 186 wasn't enough either. That's two out of three.
I remember Doc's presence and it roared like a lion. The man who
would be king is now not even a whisper in house haunted. And his
wife is still on the run from her own past.
There's no joy in this other than it plays a part of God's will.
Perhaps this very fall is the thing which will thaw Mel's heart, open
her eyes, and give her pause to look up.
If that's where this goes...wow. She's young still. Nothing's over
til God says it is.
:)
matt2442
> There's no joy in this other than it plays a part of God's will.
> Perhaps this very fall is the thing which will thaw Mel's heart, open
> her eyes, and give her pause to look up.
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> If that's where this goes...wow. She's young still. Nothing's over
> til God says it is.
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> :)
Matt2442:
Probably the best thing that could happen to Melissa is for this whole
thing to crash, and for her to be rid of anything remotely connected
to Gene Scott, his ministry, his name, and what money is left, and to
face God alone, and find how merciful and forgiving he really is.
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Oh c'mon Judee 77, you don't really believe doc had any feelings
for us tithing type do ya?
I think doc felt sorry for Melissa, because he knew they (us)
would instantly see through all the years of bullshit and that
she didn't have a chance at recovering what he discarded
all these years.
How is that sympathetic towards anything? More like Pathetic!
Have you seen Picture Perfect Seduction?
Reminds me of that song,
"All She wants to do is Dance".
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"If that's where this goes... wow." That would be a miracle alright
and I agree with the wow. Life's experience suggests deeper pain and
ever deepening resentment and anger but a painful moment looking up
would realign her stars, so to speak, and open a world of the heart
she hasn't imagined, only scorne.
Judee77
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> Oh c'mon Judee 77, you don't really believe doc had any feelings
> for us tithing type do ya?
>
> I think doc felt sorry for Melissa, because he knew they (us)
> would instantly see through all the years of bullshit and that
> she didn't have a chance at recovering what he discarded
> all these years.
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> How is that sympathetic towards anything? �More like Pathetic!
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Young Studs,
Yeah, I do think Doc had feelings towards his faceless tithezzzss-
paying congregation. Is it not possible he equated our giving to what
the teaching was worth his screwed up way of seeing if he was accepted
or rejected?
He could be a greedy SOB. He could be abusive and cruel and crazy.
He could be everything ugly yet still crave or want what everyone else
wants. To have someone give a bloody hell about him. A person cannot
always be so enraged against someone else (the collective givers)
without feeling something toward them (other than what they could
give).
Doc was just too hot in his hate to not care in some warped way. When
did he ever display apathy toward us? Indifference is neither hot nor
cold because the person caught in that state just doesn't give a
crap. They're emotionally flatlined.
Despite Doc's attempts to pretend his message did not reflect the man,
the claim was completely irrational. You are what you say. Then Doc
puts a price tag on the worth of what he preached. What comes into
the storehouse as a result is a direct statement of his worth. How
could he have taken it any other way?
Money down, they don't like me; money up, they love me. And his
reactions where reactions from his gut.
As to Melissa, I again go back to the contradiction of Doc becoming
more abusive once he finally found his "baby," his one and only love.
The dude was running on denial all the way around; from his "miracle"
healing, to his honey pie.
And who took the heat for his blindness? His first whacked-out love:
us. Now, maybe it is as you say. Certainly it would be a logical
move to punish her by letting her take the fall, knowing she'd want to
be the star.
Still, it's in direct contradiction to years upon years of him stating
he wanted his voice out there til Jesus comes. So it's retaliation
versus the survival of his life's work. I'd have to go with the
latter. Which, if Melissa had carried out, she never would have
fallen so far. His wishes actually would have protected her ass--
But, it's really all guess work on my part. I could absolutely be
wrong. I just know that it's injected into the human heart that need
to be loved. And no matter how depraved we get, we'll still hunt it,
even commit atrocious crimes to get it. Course by then one has to
wonder what love has devolved into.
Ah, heck. I'm an ex-romance writer. What the hell do I know. I
always come from that lovey-dovey, sugar sweet point of view. Not
always realistic.
You know?
:)
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That is realistic, very much so.... I believe.
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Oh Jubilee, you know your words send me.......
but to think for a minute that Gene had even
a decade of reason left in his dying body
and dead soul is beyond what was presented
not only on TV but in his personal life as well.
I know enough people who could easily be
counted as the "real inner circle" to frankly
understand that his last years were a ruin
of the real man behind the pulpit.
How long must we put up with this charade
that Gene was good until he lost it?
How long must we put blame on his former
wives and lovers in order to mask the reality
of a broken Gene Scott. Man's Angry God.
I'm not sure (or convinced) that he had a break
in his latter years. Nope, I think he always had
some mind-numbing mechanism to keep his
restless spirit under covers.
His anger not withstanding, Gene Scott took
one look at Melissa and pinpointed the very
embodiment of his own failings and pursued
his masterwork of developing the bride of Frankenstein.
Her, to carry on his masquerade, she became his
bulldog, his confidunce, his judge, jury and executioner.
I say, Rest in Peace Gene Scott, your derogators
wil soon get their judgement.
BTW, the biggest problem here is ego. Gene's ego
and Melisa's ego are clashing and no one can separate
his gawd awful heresy teachings from the ego within.
I've tried and it hurts to even listen to his voice.
I don't EVEN bother with Melissa....carry on cutesy.
matt2442
> BTW, the biggest problem here is ego. Gene's ego
> and Melisa's ego are clashing and no one can separate
> his gawd awful heresy teachings from the ego within.
> I've tried and it hurts to even listen to his voice.
> I don't EVEN bother with Melissa....carry on cutesy
Matt2442:
For most of us, the voice of Gene Scott was the soundtrack of our
lives over a long period of time. I understand from experience how the
sound of that voice can just grate on your nerves and make you ill to
hear it.
Judee77
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Stud,
Darn. I didn't explain myself well. I agree with everything you're
saying here. Doc was doomed to chase the rage since he was small.
But just because he was everything you're saying doesn't disclude the
idea that like everyone else, he wanted people to care.
This isn't said to excuse Doc in any way, or make the wives guilty
(though they are responsible for their own agenda/actions), or even
make Scott more warm and fuzzylike. Nope. His ego fed off the
reactions of the position his congregation took with him. There was
definitely a weird dynamic there.
The only point I was trying to make was, depravity notwithstanding,
Scott had in common the same drive we all have. Heck, maybe he knew
it and saw it as a vulnerability within himself and thus he blew out
the rage.
Now, the one thing I vehemently reject here is your assertion that PMS
became Doc's bulldog. Good god, man, check thyself! A bulldog! Do
you know what you've said? Dude, my Winston is so not impressed with
having his characteristics compared to that woman.
:)
rpbc
Judee77:
> Stud,
>
> Darn. I didn't explain myself well. I agree with everything you're
> saying here. Doc was doomed to chase the rage since he was small.
> But just because he was everything you're saying doesn't disclude the
> idea that like everyone else, he wanted people to care.
>
> This isn't said to excuse Doc in any way, or make the wives guilty
> (though they are responsible for their own agenda/actions), or even
> make Scott more warm and fuzzylike. Nope. His ego fed off the
> reactions of the position his congregation took with him. There was
> definitely a weird dynamic there.
>
> The only point I was trying to make was, depravity notwithstanding,
> Scott had in common the same drive we all have. Heck, maybe he knew
> it and saw it as a vulnerability within himself and thus he blew out
> the rage.
>
> Now, the one thing I vehemently reject here is your assertion that PMS
> became Doc's bulldog. Good god, man, check thyself! A bulldog! Do
> you know what you've said? Dude, my Winston is so not impressed with
> having his characteristics compared to that woman.
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rpbc:
Now you've done it Studio... you've insulted Judee77's bulldog,
Winston.
" His ego fed off the
> reactions of the position his congregation took with him. There was
> definitely a weird dynamic there." Judee77.... is that anything like enabling? Not so weird really, just the consensual scope of it. At planet scott there were show trials everyday. It's so much as Hoffer has described yet it was with us which, as we talk, is the weird part.... an area for self examination that is personally enlightening but generally scary for it's operation is observable daily as current events. god damn.... ya know.
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Yeah, I know. You wonder at what point did the honest desire to serve
with joy as outlined in Scripture shift to surrendering to the
dictates of one man's depraved need to be king.
I think it started the second we took the bait. Hell yeah, I wanted
to be uncommon! Damned straight I wanted to be on of those faithers
who God was looking for. Scott dangled what fed the ego, not the
soul. Or rather he merged them, but the idea of thinking we'd be
something more than the funkamentalists was ego calling unto ego.
All wrapped up in spiritual mumbo jumbo with a side of truth to
maintain the confusion.
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WM-Ego! Like if God didnt want us to eat animals why did he make them
out of meat?
Funkamentalists and whatever that means..traditionalists? Whatever.
Felt that way about them before Gene, durring and now after.
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Indeed, Doc's way certainly didn't change the way I see those who slap
a ball and chain around your neck while giving you the lists of what
Christians can and cannot do, all the while demanding to see how His
grace changed your sinning ass.
Legalists come in all sizes and shapes, and though Scott railed
against their methods, he was just like them, only his starting point
was to prove you had faith by this and that and this and that, etc.,
etc.
As to the animal comment, maybe there's others here who can connect
ego in the context of what God made them out of, but I ain't one of
them. Care to explain a bit more?
And if not ego on the parts of many who joined up with Doc, then what?
Weatherman
WM-Yea...giving...or sapping lol. Stand still you ego
bound...lol..sheep while your shorn.
> Legalists come in all sizes and shapes, and though Scott railed
> against their methods, he was just like them, only his starting point
> was to prove you had faith by this and that and this and that, etc.,
> etc.
WM-Yes he was on his points.
> As to the animal comment, maybe there's others here who can connect
> ego in the context of what God made them out of, but I ain't one of
> them. Care to explain a bit more?
WM-Nothing deep really. Ego is so fundemental that it cant be wrong in
every aspect. I am not one that believes its all just part of the sin
nature in totality, just another thing that can be manipulated on
certain points.
Like grabing a log going by in a flood to save self is good ego.
Bumping someone off a log so you can use it is bad ego. lol Now anyone
can see that but in matters abstract it seems that the ego is always
bad these days. Really I understand that we all have an ego and its
not always in check, but these ego harpers theses day.... wow watch
out! You will be eating shit off the floor and they are never
satisfied. You know, someone with a healthy...ah...ego..is hard to
control and that looks like what bothers the harpers. Oh that we
should be Gandhi or some thing. And he was just a passive aggressive
anyway. On top of that isnt the "ego" a Freud thing? Well like he said
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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> Yeah, I know. You wonder at what point did the honest desire to serve
> with joy as outlined in Scripture shift to surrendering to the
> dictates of one man's depraved need to be king.
>
> I think it started the second we took the bait. Hell yeah, I wanted
> to be uncommon! Damned straight I wanted to be on of those faithers
> who God was looking for. Scott dangled what fed the ego, not the
> soul. Or rather he merged them, but the idea of thinking we'd be
> something more than the funkamentalists was ego calling unto ego.
>
> All wrapped up in spiritual mumbo jumbo with a side of truth to
> maintain the confusion.
Matt2442:
It's ironic how often Scott denounced the sin of spiritual pride,
while at the same time fostering an attitude of being part of an elite
church. This gets back to what Ken Blue said in his narcissist abuser
chapter:
" In order to achieve the public support he needs , these leaders
often
make extraordinary claims for themselves , or have others make them
in
their behalf .Such claims may include a special anointing , unusual
personal sacrifice , unprecedented encounters with God , unique
training , a singular teaching or leadership gift , a revelation of
truth that is not available to others , or secret knowledge of God's
end times purposes. These and other claims imply that God has a
special calling on this leader , and so it is the "unspecial"
people's
duty to admire and follow him , which they often do in droves."
"Once the leader's claims to specialness and importance are
established , it becomes very difficult for mere followers to
challenge him . In time this leader breaks free of all
accountability.
This enables him to act as he pleases while exercising control over
his followers."
"An effective means of control for a messianic leader is to convince
his followers that they are on an extraordinary mission with him. If
a
leader successfully convinces his followers that he is the unique
instrument of God , that makes them unique by virtue of their
support
of him. This group may say or imply such things as "we are a special
move of God," "We are God's cutting edge for this generation," or "We
are in training for God's end-times army"
Once this attitude is rooted in a group, the combination of pride
and
fear keeps his followers in formation.
Everyone wants to feel special, and some get hooked on being part of
an elite. Others fear leaving lest they miss God's will and be
accused
of deserting his special calling . This leads us to the question of
who gets hooked by messianic leaders and who volunteers for the abuse
they inflict."
The question today is, do those in Melissa's congregation still feel
like they are part of an elite calling? If so, what on earth would
make them think that? It's easy to see how Doc was able to make
himself and others think this way, but Melissa?
matt2442
> Indeed, Doc's way certainly didn't change the way I see those who slap
> a ball and chain around your neck while giving you the lists of what
> Christians can and cannot do, all the while demanding to see how His
> grace changed your sinning ass.
>
> Legalists come in all sizes and shapes, and though Scott railed
> against their methods, he was just like them, only his starting point
> was to prove you had faith by this and that and this and that, etc.,
> etc.
>
> As to the animal comment, maybe there's others here who can connect
> ego in the context of what God made them out of, but I ain't one of
> them. Care to explain a bit more?
>
> And if not ego on the parts of many who joined up with Doc, then what?
Matt2442:
I think that most of us who latched on to Doc's ministry had already
abhorred "cookie cutter Christianity" before Gene Scott, and would
have done so regardless of ever hearing of him. When we heard him
preaching the message of grace and peace though, there was a breath of
freedom in our relationship to God, and we had found a place and a
pastor who would allow us to grow in grace without having to measure
up in external righteousness, or so we thought. When Doc claimed to be
the "last free voice on television" and one called as God had to do
every 400 years to rescue the message of grace, as though no one else
in the world understood the message but him, enter the ego trip. Not
only are we uniquely free in Christ among all these "sons of the
bondwoman," but chosen to support the last free voice on television in
these last days. Isn't that special? So much so that you better not
dare find any reason to doubt that special calling, or the leaders
claim to specialness and shirk your commitment, or that freedom and
grace he baited you with no longer applies to you.
matt2442
> Legalists come in all sizes and shapes, and though Scott railed
> against their methods, he was just like them, only his starting point
> was to prove you had faith by this and that and this and that, etc.,
> etc.
Matt2442:
Doc was supposed to be the anti-legalist. He railed against the "do
do's and the don't do's" of the "funkamentalists" but had different
things he held out as the measure of whether you really got it or not.
At the top of that list was our $$$ in the offering bag. Not only the
tihezzzz, but the many other Scott manufactured offerings (Birthday/
anniversary/first fruits,etc) Other than that was church attendance.
God forbid you don't show up on Sunday to make that testimony. Then
you better not complain about the horses. (Can anybody who is still
attending KH1 today really argue that Scott was right to kick people
out of the church for this reason, after preaching that Jesus saves
with NO BUTS attached?) Then you'd damn well better applaud as the
pony girls come in, or you are OUT and going to hell because Gene
Scott said so. Dr.Scott truly led people into greater bondage in his
church than most fundamentalists.he railed against
Judee77:
>
> And if not ego on the parts of many who joined up with Doc, then what?
Matt2442:
Fear perhaps,
rpbc
rpbc:
Matt.... you brought it home with..... " When Doc claimed to be
> the "last free voice on television" and one called as God had to do
> every 400 years to rescue the message of grace, as though no one else
> in the world understood the message but him, enter the ego trip. Not
> only are we uniquely free in Christ among all these "sons of the
> bondwoman," but chosen to support the last free voice on television in
> these last days. Isn't that special?" ..... and everyone wants to be special, and not lose it. Ego anybody....... his and ours.... and look at the fruit it produced. Isn't it special.
studio
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studio:
-And if not ego on the parts of many who joined up with Doc, then
what?-
Ego, self esteem issues, doc's paranoia well documented in his
sermons preached to himself. There's a number of issues
at the table when people latch onto cults.
A real sense of belonging especially in the case of Melissa Scott.
She saw a way out of the porn mess she got herself into and she
built her nest around Gene Scott. Much like snakes build nests to
attract other snakes, she purposely dressed differently to address
the maturity issue.
I have a friend who dyes his hair to look older so he doesn't
look out of place when he escorts his wife, almost 20 years
his senior. Same goes for Melissa, playing the part of Gene
Scott's wife when Gene vehemently told the TV audience
he would NEVER get trapped in a marriage clause again
after Christine.
People follow Melissa out of honor to the principle of doing
it for God's Word even though Gene specifically told them
that is not the reason they were there, they were there to
work for Gene. Fucking confusing because that's the way he
wanted it. He thrived on it.
Judee77
J77:
Yep, and sometimes and ego is just an ego. lmao
You see grabbing onto a log to save yourself an act of the ego? Hmm.
I'd say it was simple self-preservation.
Though I get what you're saying about ego (thanks for explaining), I
get tired of the whole "poor little johnny done murdered 18 hippos
because his ego was bruised when that woman glared at him" thing.
Guess you could say ego swings both ways.
And yeah, it is a newer concept, certainly wasn't around in the days
when it counted. Those cultures where based on shame and honor,
something this culture knows little about, seeing we're too concerned
with whether the ego is stroked or not.
It's actually a lazy word used to cover the whole array of the human
experience, good or bad. If we removed the word from our vocabulary,
we might have to think a bit harder on why people do or don't do this
or that. Like getting reeled in by Doc...screw ego, it was the will
of a person exercising pride, rebellion, etc.
One would have to go to Scripture to find the fundamental drive placed
in man...heart comes to mind. Perhaps man's will and heart are more
in line with the way God set things up?
Then Freud and friends came along, and now it's, the ego made me do
it...with a DSM of 100,000 ways it can whack out. Big pharma scores
big and we can all now sleep easier knowing egos are being chemically
restored. Sheesh.
Disclaimer: the above in no way suggests this subject will put aside
all laziness by wasting time in seeking more accurate words to
describe the ego.
:)
H8N S8N
Then
you better not complain about the horses. (Can anybody who is still
attending KH1 today really argue that Scott was right to kick people
out of the church for this reason, after preaching that Jesus saves
with NO BUTS attached?) Then you'd damn well better applaud as the
pony girls come in, or you are OUT and going to hell because Gene
Scott said so.
H8n:
Sounds like someone who was there!
Line on the left, one cross each, NO SHOVING!
I wonder if he went to Hell real ugly!
Judee77
You know what's weird about all this for me? I was running away from
a strict, legalistic church that really did a number on my head
(pastor would actually come over to my house and peek in the
windows...I kid you not). The fruit inspecting never ended. You all
might remember I went through a formal excommunication procedure.
Well, the church board did, I basically wrote a letter and said, "I'm
outta here."
The guilt I felt over the sins of another in that church, plus the
whole, "If you see her on the street, walk to the other side and don't
talk to her," bullshit I was put through, well, I couldn't even pick
up my Bible because, gee, how could I be saved? So what was the
point, despite still having the desire to relate to God.
All it took was for me to know I wasn't required to involve myself
with other Christians, and most importantly, I didn't have to develop
a personal relationship with Doc, and man, I was in. There was safety
in anonymity, and I fit right in with long distance Christianity,
especially with all those choice words about faith and grace and
liberty and mercy. Something I hadn't heard about in a long time.
Thing is, most of us know legalism when we see it. Who ever thought
the act of showing faith could muzzle you in ways the checklist crowd
would not imagine in their wildest dreams? I had no idea I was being
primed for a type of fruit inspecting far worse than anything I'd
previously went through.
To see Doc rail against the "funkamentalists" then turn on his
congregation and rail against their disfaith...WTF? And the
punishment was the same for both crowds. The logical outcome for a
sinner who continued to sin (despite attempts to stop) or for the
spoiled brats who would not faithe (despite attempts to try) was the
fear of being sent to hell.
You know, when you compare the two, "funky" legalists inspected based
on what you did whereas the faith-based jailer honed in on what you
didn't do. They were polar opposites in what they sought, yet equal
in their lashing (tossed out of church/question of salvation/
hellbound).
I don't know where I'm going with this. Just thinking outloud I
guess. I would say clearly the first church's fruit inspecting was
child's play compared to what Doc did. Dear God did that man ever
spin. Plus, I also know Scott realized the mindset of the people he
was attracting: those turned off by the practices of the traditional
church.
He knew it, and he used it. Cause really, how could something like
faith become our condemnation?
H8N S8N
and then his church was based on a works-based Salvation.
Salvation = Christ + Zero
Funny thing?
He wanted to punch Adam in the mouth for his sin.
ROFLMFAO!
I wonder how he enjoys his new position in HVAC Maintenance,
shoveling coal into the furnace, 168 hours a week,
sans paycheck?
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> The question today is, do those in Melissa's congregation still feel
> like they are part of an elite calling? If so, what on earth would
> make them think that?
surf-
the very fact that so few remain is the reason in itself me thinks.
"many called,few chosen"
the fact that only a few remain validates there chosen status.
christian doctrine itself is full to the hilt with psychotic polarity.
on the one hand:
"grace and peace"
on the other:
"think not that i came to bring peace but rather a sword"
"saved by grace"
but then in the book of acts
God kills a man and his wife for lying about how much they gave
God loves and forgives but then again God hates and eternaly damns..
thing is we as christrians set out with good intentions trying to
understand and impliment a complete and consistant belief system based
on his word as revealed and end up 70 ways from sunday.
speaking for myself, in ways i feel no better off now then i did 20
yrs ago in that for all my efforts i am still kinda left feelin the
same way i did way back then i dont know the lord i cant figure his
word out and can only hope im not damned.
If it was'nt for that darned ressurection thing i would'nt touch
religion (christian or otherwise) with a 10 foot pole, it leads to a
reflection of the psychotic polarity inherent in the word itself.
I still believe that dr.scott was the closest to getting it right in
terms of interpretation but look at how bad that all turned out when
trying to impliment it.
these are broad strokes.
the point is that for every premis put forth in scripture there is an
opposit position revealed in that same book of scriptures that could
be takin.
Comes down to reletivity or objectified reason' det and even this is a
focal point of contention.
what is prescriptive/what is descriptive
faith with out works is dead but were saved by grace and that not of
works lest anyman should boast what a fuckin contradiction.
supposed to die to self yet build each other up in love wtf?
all analogies breakdown and like the doc used to say it is all an act
of grace. we can only fuck it up!
what god inspires he empowers to his glory. he has chosen the foolish
things to confound the wise. goes on and on.
nothing required on our part for salvation yet its impossable to
please god without faith alrighty then...
back to just bein deaf dumb and blind. Or there is an indwelling
spirit that leads the believer in life where its at but that can only
be an intrinsic reality not a scientific one. hmm...
surfkrow
surf-
i just read all this and its very pessimistic
i think im tired and need to just go to bed.
night all.
studio
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studio:
So that preacher that peaked through your windows, childsplay.
Gene Scott brazenly sat in your living room and puffed his ceegar
whether you allowed smoking in the house or not.
rpbc
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rpbc:
It's not pessimistic... it's just working through it. You've still
got faith and that is what gets one through to the end, in the mean
time, as Frank Sinatra might say.... It's Life and you just gotta see
it through. Keep working on that music....
surfkrow
I still believe that dr.scott was the closest to getting it right in
> terms of interpretation but look at how bad that all turned out when
> trying to impliment it.
surf-
again this was a broad stroke.
I recognize that alot of what Dr.Scott implemented was nothing near
right in terms of interpretation or decency for that matter.
i was refering to some of the good stuff he taught ie:
the potters house
valley of weeping
is:50
gideon (vocabulary of doubt)
messages on grace and peace
even giving without piggybacking on human suffering had merit.
the rest of the whole tithezzz and offeringzzz (secrets, pastors offr.
etc.) was flaggerent exploitation.
just thought i should clear that up...
any thoughts on the psychotic polarity found in doctrine anybody?
studio
I'll bite. You can find good solid teaching and preaching on those
subjects you mentioned from any number of churches.
H8N S8N and I used to joke about refusing to go to church because
"there's people in it". But it's no laughing matter, there's a whole
shitload of reasons not to go, but only one good reason to ground
yourself somewhere. Unfortunately, The Scott Cult makes no room
for a person to have a relationship with God without making tithing
and the pastoralship a mediating factor in Salvation. Sorry, but
that's
the way Gene Scott set it up, and that's the way Melissa Scott was
taught and that's how it has stayed all these years.
Melissa qualifies herself as God's spokeperson. Voice of Faith my ass!
One thing for sure, you got to get away from all that numerology
stuff.
That will kill any progress you make in your relationship with God.
Numbers are like rocks, you can stack 'em or build a house with them
but they're still just rocks.
matt2442
Matt2442:
It's a very puzzling thing indeed how Doc could grace and yet lead
people into bondage.. How did the message of pure grace get coopted
into being a bondage trip in the long run? Doc told me on TV that I
was accepted, just as I am, and alll my sins past present and future
were (past tense) already laid upon Christ, and if I could see clearly
enough to see Jesus and what He already did, I could partake of ther
communion elements with him and the rest of the body of Christ as a
believer, my sins forgiven. I didn't have to measure up, which I knew
I could not, to external demands of conformity to righteous standards
of holiness, or else traditions of man that had nothing at all to do
with righteousness. How freeing that was. How did that turn into a
bondage trip in the long run? How did that message of freedom in
Christ turn into something that made us fear the loss of that freedom
if Doc so pronounced it upon us? Enter Doc's agenda to be mega-big for
Jesus, and to saturate the whole globe with his voice, the stearing
voice and compass point that the whole church would look up to. If Doc
could have just been content with what God gave him, be it a local
television and radio audience in Los Angeles alone, or a greater
outreach as God, not Gene made it happen, things may have been
radically different. Grace would still have been the foundational
message and not merely a lure to get you in before Doc's particular
brand of legalism was sprung.
Doc seemed at first to be the polar opposite of the kind of legalism
and bondage you encountered in the first church. Remember Breaujeff?
He could not seem to process that Doc was as guilty as the church he
came from of putting people into spiritual bondage. Perhaps tyhe
particulars of how were different, but the results were as bad or
nearly so.
More form the beginning of Ken Blue's book:
"Abuse of any type occurs when someone has power over another and uses
that power to hurt. Physical abuse means that someone exercises
physical power over another, causing physical wounds. Sexual abuse
means that someone exercises sexual power over another, resulting in
sexual wounds. And spiritual abuse happens when a leader with
spiritual authority uses that authority to coerce, control or exploit
a follower, thus causing spiritual wounds. Ron Enroth explains
further:
'Unlike physical abuse that often results in bruised bodies, spiritual
and pastoral abuse leaves scars on the psyche and the soul. It is
inflicted by persons who are accorded respect and honor in our society
by virtue of their roles as spiritual leaders and models of spiritual
authority. They base that authority on the Bible, the Word of God, and
see themselves as shepherds with a sacred trust. But when they violate
that trust, when they abuse that authority and when they misuse
ecclesiastical power to control and manipulate the flock, the results
can be catastrophic.' (quoted from "Ron Enroth, Churches that Abuse)
Spiritual abuse may differ from some other forms of abuse in that it
is rarely perpetrated with intent to maim. As we shall see, spiritual
abusers are curiously naive about the effects of their exploitation.
They rarely intend to hurt their victims. They are usually so
narcissistic or so focused on some great thing they are doing for God
that they don't notice the wounds they are inflicting on their
followers. So though I maintain that sporotual abuse is evil and
dangerous and must be stopped, my definition leaves out the term
'intent to hurt.' "
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Matt2442: - Here the author seems to let the abusive pastors off the
hook as far as intending to cause harm, but can Doc be let off the
hook so easily, or Melissa when you bring the up against the wall
incident into the picture? How can you do that to people without
intending to harm them in some way? How about dumping Mike R. off on
skid row with $0.25? How about what Jakieth posted?
"At the top of the continuum I place the deliberate exploitation and
domination of the weak by a grandiose, authoritarian spiritual
dictator. Almost any kind of abusive behavior may be found at this
level; threats, intimidation, extortion of money, demands for sex,
public humiliation, control over private lives, manipulation of
marriages, elaborate spying and similar practices. When
psychologically and spiritually weak people fall under the control of
a narcissistic demagogue, there is potetntial for great harm to all."
(quoted from Ken Blue, Healing Spiritual Abuse, 1993 Intervarsity
Press, pp. 12-14)
surfkrow
surf-
thnx for the imput studio.
Im not as steeped in the numbers thing as you seem to think i am.
i dont live by the meaning of numbers as taught by Dr.Scott or anybody
else for that matter.
i made it clear that the nuances in the gspl of john i am searching
out is just a notion/inclination and that i dont base my belief system
on it.
as for the 6 wtr pots/6th hour/6th king
i am searching out a possable corrolation to the the "number of a
man" (666) referenced in REV.
and that there may be some kind of relationship between these 2 works
(johns gspl/REV)
there are more corrolations that i hav'nt posted yet but will at the
behest of WM just to see where it goes.
you can rip it apart i invited that as well lol.
i figure if its meaningless it will show itself and this is the first
opprotunity i have had to share it with folks who really could lend
insight to the endeavor pro and con.
in passing, i dont think the whole notion of the mark being 666 is
correct at all.
christians and unbelievers as well have been so alerted to the
prospect of 666 mark and anti-christ/false-prophet stuff that there is
just NO WAY it could happen like that now people are on gaurd against
it.
Im leaning in the direction that anti-christ is a political system and
false-prophet is science (promising a bright future)
also, that 7 yr trib/trib great idea may be bogus.
just as in the days of noah they shall be eating and drinking, giving
themselves over to marriage etc. and then suddenly the end shall come.
however it goes down its not gonna be how we thought it otherwise it
would be prevented....
more of this stuff later
peace
surfkrow
surf-
Doc used to say that you cant finish in the flesh what was begun in
the spirit (Gal.)
But then he did just that.
Thing is (i think)
He Genuinly believed he was right and like a fetish that gets worst
and worst so did the abuse that has been reported here.
the conscience becomes so seered that the unacceptable becomes
acceptable all in the name of the greater cause.
Remember Doc used to expound on the fact that we (sinful man) can't
just be wrong and accept it. No sinful man has to convince himself
that his sin is not really a sin at all and that makes him a rebel.
Turns out Doc was'nt as tamed as he thought he was.
As for the up against the wall incident
the gospel leads to a dying to self for the sake of comming alive to
christ and that requires humility to be broken upon the rock which is
Christ and then built up in the image of christ so that Rock doesnt
break upon you to the point of complete/eternal destruction of a
rebellious spirit
I figure in some twisted way Docs authority went to far and he tried
to force a spiritual and private reality between the redeemed and
christ and do it himself which in turn just led to abuse.
Only christ who knows the heart and motives has the liberty to break a
stiff necked spirit for only christ has just the right touch, intent
and love for the sake of preserving the treasure found there in.
pappa, who was there to break you? how could you be so right and so
wrong...
Judee77
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Matt said:
> Here the author seems to let the abusive pastors off the
> hook as far as intending to cause harm, but can Doc be let off the
> hook so easily, or Melissa when you bring the up against the wall
> incident into the picture? How can you do that to people without
> intending to harm them in some way? How about dumping Mike R. off on
> skid row with $0.25? How about what Jakieth posted?
J77:
So, let me get this straight? Jim Jones had no intent to cause harm
because he was just too in to himself and his over-the-top desire to
do what God told him?
Really?
I would assert that part of the "joy" of being narcissistic is the
reaction felt by the abuser when he knows he's got someone right where
he wants them. Of course he intends harm! That's just about the only
way he can feel alive.
You remember the times someone would blink wrong on a Sunday morning,
and instead of Doc simply stating to the person, "Stop blinking like
that," he'd go on a fifteen to twenty minute rant, and turn a blink
into how ALL of us had no respect for God's man, God's house, and work
himself into an outright frenzy?
Why? Cause he was sailing, for goodness sake! He was getting off,
feeling alive, asserting his power, and it damn well felt fabulous to
him. He'd make the blink into a teaching lesson which usually ended
up to be continued on Festival.
And everything that followed after the blink was nothing more than
justification for his reaction into nuthood land. He wanted someone
to "draw on him" for no other reason than to squash them into
oblivion. Those incidents were his fix, if you will. He craved some
perceived infraction the way a junkie craves life to go wrong (or
good) so he can run out and score.
How is publicly bitchslapping a person done without the intent to
harm? Doc damned well knew it hurt his intended target cause of how
he'd then turn to the congregation and stomp out any sympathy that
arose. He made empathy ugly, forcing us to "be on his side" against
the blinker.
Then once Doc felt like a man again, he'd top the lesson off with,
"You still love your pastor?" to which everyone would yell, "Yes,
sir," jump to their feet and give that asshole a standing ovation.
And this was just the crap he pulled on camera. The shit that went
down in the shadows was like a side effect of Viagra where he'd
maintain his salute for well over four hours. How the author, Ken
Blue, can even think this type of behavior "accidentally" harmed
others truly misses the boat.
surfkrow
surf-
i likened my own brush with domestic tyranny (a reflection of what i
learned from Dr.Scott)
but if what you say is true j77 i was nowhere near that state of mind
the holy spirit tugs at the heart and says ENOUGH!
Mans wrath is not Gods righteousness how could Doc have been so
oblivious to the promptings of the spirit?
A fathers correction must be accomanied by loving care.
To restore not destroy and over just any little ole thing?? to fly
off the handle and call black white as though his vice was virtue?!
Thats horrable.
Im getting the impression the only reason he did'nt serve up kool aid
was because the money would stop flowin
"love of money is the root of all evil"
Im moving beyond thinking he had a seered conscience to the fact that
he did have to be suffering from sociopathic tendencys
so far RP,J77 and gypsie have encouraged me to get past the anger and
loving Dr.Scott for who he was'nt but rather who he was.
So he spiritualy terrorized,raped and aborted souls.
Whats left to appreciate? The ressurection message?
Josh Mcdowell put out a more complete and detailed study of this
message in "Evidence that demands a verdict"
sure Doc was able to condense the material into 60-90 minutes sermon
and was a master at oration but i never did here him mention Josh's
book as a reference source for further study, why?
Who robbed who?
studio
>
> J77:
>
>
> And this was just the crap he pulled on camera. The shit that went
> down in the shadows was like a side effect of Viagra where he'd
> maintain his salute for well over four hours. How the author, Ken
> Blue, can even think this type of behavior "accidentally" harmed
> others truly misses the boat.
studio:
I remember at The kingdom of The Dancing Stallions that doc threw
a shit fit over some mishap that was beyond servicable repair,
namely, the air conditioner broke.
Okay so he was pissed and we were all hot for teacher (sorry, had to).
Then he began to innerweave The Ressurrection message with the
money he spent on the rental of the building etc. this went on all
through
the event, and if you think it's silly, well, it just made that
particular
Sunday service unusable.
Sure one can edit out doc's bullshit, but why would you when you can
get the same maessage from thousands of preachers without all
the horseshit (yes, horseshit).
Gypsie
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gypsie:If it appears pessimistic to you, jest think about the rest of
us who hafta to try to understand by wading thru your BS. OUCH!!
Gypsie
gypsie: Aaah so neow eats finds the psychotic polarity w/ the
exploitation of offeringszzzz and tithezzzzzzz Soooooo what organs are
you eating out neow.
Ya know ya really are a piece of work
matt2442
> And this was just the crap he pulled on camera. The shit that went
> down in the shadows was like a side effect of Viagra where he'd
> maintain his salute for well over four hours. How the author, Ken
> Blue, can even think this type of behavior "accidentally" harmed
> others truly misses the boat.
Matt2442:
Some pastors may in fact be oblivious to the harm they cause, but at
this level of spiritual abuse, I don't see how anyone could not know
they are hurting people.
surfkrow
studio shared this:
[edit] Gospel of John
> The Gospel of John is in two sections, which Brown labelled the "Book
> of Signs" and the "Book of Glory." The Book of Signs recounts Jesus'
> public miracles, which are called signs. The Book of Glory comprises
> Jesus' private teaching to his disciples, his crucifixion, and his
> resurrection.
>
> Brown identifies three layers of text in John: 1) an initial version
> Brown considers based on personal experience of Jesus; 2) a structured
> literary creation by the evangelist which draws upon additional
> sources; and 3) the edited version that readers know today (Brown
> 1979).
Raymond Edward Brown
surf-
studio...thanx for sharin this. gives me somthin to work with.
(still not ruling out the potential for a prophetic connection between
Johns GSPL+REV)
I dont see his work as dismissive of the notion just supplemental at
this point.
need to follow up on his stuff and see what it means.
Got to say it...
I am leary of belief systems that pray to saints as a norm as well as
deifying mary whats up??
He may be a learned scholar but i dont get that catholic thing.
studio
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I don't get it either. I was raised Catholic and there are some very
good people
within that structure. Remember, it was a created religion by
Constantine
to corral the onslaught of the comming of the saints. It was bound to
happen.
They just incorporated everything they held sacred at the time and
called it
Christianity with a mystic sounding name.
Even though Raymond Brown adhered to the Catholic way, he demonstrated
insight, especially John's ministry, to a Paulist society. I can't
relate to Paul
ever since i read Brown's commentary. Next to Paul, John was the
writer
of witness, the writer with a community. Fascinating stuff. Buy the
book
and we'll talk.
rpbc
rpbc:
Judee77, Ken Blue wasn't writing about Gene Scott, he is describing a
type which can have distinctive variations. If Scott was the type
under discussion and Blue knew about him well enough to comment I'm
sure he's change the accidental reference. Funny, every now and then
he did it by accident and when informed he would say the victim ought
to feel relieved for all the times they weren't caught.... remember
that?
w_bane
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<Plus, I also know Scott realized the mindset of the people he
was attracting: those turned off by the practices of the traditional
church.>
Gene Scott was a traditional teacher at heart and he had a disdain for
the rebel, then he became a rebel himself
but for others it was still black and white unless they chose
'his grace' which was his cue to tax and enslave the proceastanators.
geraldkrug
you got only one thing to do, abuse them, get off on it and love it.
I do it too, to you people, the most diseased sicko's on earth who
have the worst spiritual disease known which is dwelling on the
negative.
geraldkrug
Monty Python - Bright Side of Life
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath
Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...
matt2442
> rpbc:
> Judee77, Ken Blue wasn't writing about Gene Scott, he is describing a
> type which can have distinctive variations. If Scott was the type
> under discussion and Blue knew about him well enough to comment I'm
> sure he's change the accidental reference. Funny, every now and then
> he did it by accident and when informed he would say the victim ought
> to feel relieved for all the times they weren't caught.... remember
> that?
Matt2442:
Actually he is discussing in the entirety of the book a spectrum of
spiritual abuse ranging from minor abuses to the messianic narcissist
type which is the apex, and describes Gene Scott perfectly, almost as
though he was writing about him.
I remember what you are talking about. He'd blowtorch someone, find
out he was way off about whatever he yelled about, and didn't have the
decency to apologize.
matt2442
> How is publicly bitchslapping a person done without the intent to
> harm? Doc damned well knew it hurt his intended target cause of how
> he'd then turn to the congregation and stomp out any sympathy that
> arose. He made empathy ugly, forcing us to "be on his side" against
> the blinker.
>
> Then once Doc felt like a man again, he'd top the lesson off with,
> "You still love your pastor?" to which everyone would yell, "Yes,
> sir," jump to their feet and give that asshole a standing ovation.
Matt2442:
Renewed memories of those moments bring renewed disgust at the thought
that he would get a standing ovation for it
"All right," he said. "I will grant the people this privilege."
He summoned his carriage and the ceremonial parade was formed. A group
of dignitaries walked at the very front of the procession and
anxiously scrutinized the faces of the people in the street. All the
people had gathered in the main square, pushing and shoving to get a
better look. An applause welcomed the regal procession. Everyone
wanted to know how stupid or incompetent his or her neighbor was but,
as the Emperor passed, a strange murmur rose from the crowd.
Everyone said, loud enough for the others to hear: "Look at the
Emperor's new clothes. They're beautiful!"
"What a marvellous train!"
"And the colors! The colors of that beautiful fabric! I have
never seen anything like it in my life!" They all tried to conceal
their disappointment at not being able to see the clothes, and since
nobody was willing to admit his own stupidity and incompetence, they
all behaved as the two scoundrels had predicted.
Matt2442"
"...that asshole..." Judee77, you are like the boy in the story,
telling it like it truly is (or was). If everyone in the audience on
those occasions were like the boy who said "the emperor is naked" the
response to Doc's "do you still love your pastor," rather than a
standing ovation, may have been "yes Doc, we love you but you are an
ASSHOLE" as they left the building.
w_bane
and that is what the foundation of Satan rests on..predictable
rejected bricks
Like the poor you will always have..and the kingdom of heaven that
will always be there.
"Nothing new under the sun means"
There Is a remedy tried and true out there FOR EVERYTHING
Where is your faith?!
It's already done or it never will be.
<Matt2442:
Renewed memories of those moments bring renewed disgust at the
thought
that he would get a standing ovation for it>
I guess there was a time appointed for you to be set free by the
truth of it but your not truly free unless
you let go because Jesus wants to do more for you then he wants to
change the nature of what will not change
forever. And that is "The wolf in sheep's clothing" but the torn,
shredded sheep do need testimonials but I wonder of the remnant left
of the Scott cult if they are the greediest?
What disturbs me is that Pastor Melisa Scott is getting away with it,
right before our eyes and theirs.
Gene said I give her to you but he also said give me back my
wife..hmmm well ..it's never to late..maybe she should leave!
I guess there was a time appointed for you to be set free by the
truth of it but your not truly free unless
you let go because Jesus wants to do more for you then he wants to
change the nature of what will not change
forever. And that is "The wolf in sheeps clothing" but the torn,
shreaded sheep do need testimonials but I wonder of the remnent left
of the scott cult if they are not the greediest?
!
w_bane
>
> - Show quoted text -
ooops yeah, greedy! for there reward
rpbc
rpbc:
I know matt, just writing to others who might not be regular readers.
Scott certainly did know of the pain he was causing others and often
enjoyed it. The more he did it the more he came to enjoy it till
there was simply nothing to suggest it wasn't all for pleasure,
whatever the reason became an excuse.
matt2442
> I know matt, just writing to others who might not be regular readers.
> Scott certainly did know of the pain he was causing others and often
> enjoyed it. The more he did it the more he came to enjoy it till
> there was simply nothing to suggest it wasn't all for pleasure,
> whatever the reason became an excuse.
Matt2442:
That leads one to speculate (as we already have in the past) whether
that up against the wall room was set up that way so Doc and Melissa
could record and view the incident(s) late at night for their own sick
pleasure.
Doc (to Melissa): Play that again! I love it when he calls her a f*ing
bitch!
geraldkrug
explained all yet the lying continues in here so the
signature to all the lies will always be this from me.
If you believe these lies email me and I'll send you the
real facts these morons refuse to talk about.
rpbc
rpbc:
Well Krug, the place for real facts is right here out in the open
where everybody sees them.
w_bane
Don't you find it strange Gerald that their stories never change
After all these years? Can a bunch of liers do that?
surfkrow
surf-
bane...he wont even honestly assess himself so how can he.
surfkrow
>
> - Show quoted text -
surf-
i think the question about Docs tax and slave position comes down to:
did he twist scripture for the sake of making money
or did he correctly interpret scripture and then progressivly exploit
it.
I think he correctly interpreted scripture and then exploited it to
the point of twisting it.
(I.E. secret 1,2,3 etc. pastores offerings. dbl. portion month.
tabernacle offering. All examples of exploitation resulting in a
twisted version of worship)
this is what i think makes Dr.Scott a Nicolatin (refered to in REV.)
for they possess the truth:
grace/peace/faith/worship even tithing
but exploit it:
"which thing i hate"
surfkrow
>
> - Show quoted text -
surf-
Again...
so far RP,J77 and gypsie have encouraged me to get past the anger and
loving Dr.Scott for who he was'nt and to get on with appreciating him
for who he really was and what good he really did do.
So, he spiritualy terrorized,raped and aborted souls.
surfkrow
>
> - Show quoted text -
surf-
i did'nt address the "slave" aspect of your post
all that volunteer work fine.
but not paying staff? And the verbal and emotional abuse that went
along with it No scripture or rationale can can justify or excuse
that.
observing the fact that those up close and personal would have
addressed this issue first.
part of the mindset i have from being long distance.
i do recognize this important/sad reality you all went through.
geraldkrug
surfkrow
surfkrow said:
> i think the question about Docs tax and slave position comes down to:
> did he twist scripture for the sake of making money
> or did he correctly interpret scripture and then progressivly exploit
> it.
> I think he correctly interpreted scripture and then exploited it to
> the point of twisting it.
> (I.E. secrets 1,2,3 etc. pastors offerings. dbl. portion month.
> tabernacle offering. All examples of exploitation resulting in a
> twisted version of worship)
>
> this is what i think makes Dr.Scott a Nicolatin (refered to in REV.)
> for they possess the truth:
> grace/peace/faith/worship even tithing
> but exploit it:
> "which thing i hate"
What a juxtaposition to where i once was
God only knows this place is strange
flashback
The year was 1989
The message that reached me was
Gideon/Valley of Weeping
the music that moved me was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ6MESjmblY
The words that stirred within:
Thank you lord for promising to bring forth strength out of weakness
for there in is my hope that you will finish in me your claim on my
life to serve and exalt you my lord. By your Grace I was set freeand
only by your grace shall my freedom be complete.
You brought life where there was only death. Inspired courage when
there was only emptiness and fear.
You brought truth and wisdom when there was only deluded ignorance.
Convicting hope to a miserable man bound despair.
Forever am i your bond slave
Your will is my joy and my love is commanded of it.
I am thankful for the privaledge of having been so chosen to be your
inheritence and am overwhelmed by your mercy.
I am commited to serving you faithfully in truth with all you've
entrusted to me. Namely, my whole life and being.
Forever oh lord is thy word settled in heaven
I see the truth in it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNM9drx6Rc&feature=related
surfkrow
>
> - Show quoted text -
surf-
bane.. your way insightfull ..
geraldkrug
Money is just an indicator of what you deem important about your
storage of Gods' energy, so if you hoard and protect money till the
day you die and let your will finally give then you did not live is
all God is saying. How can you get the inner joy if you never
show God where your giving head is at?
You then don't dwell on how it is used because then you extinguish any
joy God will send to you.
The reason why any pastor would seem to exploit their
position is always because of nut cases like you in here
who need it rubbed into your ugly faces that you don't truly
believe in Gods ability to be a God.
I have told Pastor Scott to wear minks and tool around Glendale in a
limo just to anger you nothings. She has said if she can teach only
one true believer then shes happy, isn't that the sweetest thing
ever. She says that because the scum that surrounded Doc
was just about total.
Bunches of givers who didn't give in reality because they begrudged
the giving by complaining how it is spent.
The show we let you see is more mysterious than the one you idiots
show us.
God please damn these people, they bore me.
surfkrow
surf-
fuck you gk you self righteouss gnostic son of a bitch how can you be
so bored when all you do is amuse yourself so much with sciopathic
vanity you prick.
Weatherman
> But you are not the ones ripped off because even your body is on loan.
> Money is just an indicator of what you deem important about your
> storage of Gods' energy, so if you hoard and protect money till the
> day you die and let your will finally give then you did not live is
> all God is saying. How can you get the inner joy if you never
> show God where your giving head is at?
> You then don't dwell on how it is used because then you extinguish any
> joy God will send to you.
> The reason why any pastor would seem to exploit their
> position is always because of nut cases like you in here
> who need it rubbed into your ugly faces that you don't truly
> believe in Gods ability to be a God.
WM-This is some real elementary school bullshit.
As far as tooling around town to show off, (let them eat
cake..lol)...you have no idea how this idea possessed Gene...no idea.
He was certainly more concerned with real critisism about "what he did
with the money" that these phantom straw guys out here pointing
fingers in jealousy.
There is a down right phobia around that place that anyone would dare
strike so close to what was so near and dear to their heart.....money.
Like they guy that discovered that Gene bought the Kentucky ranch with
left over money from the Hope St attempted hostile takeover. Some
would say it was an investment but looks more like a big giant spoiled
kid with ego based pacification spending disorder. After losing a "big
battle" he needed a sucker. By God...going to get something out of
this deal yet! This congregation has let me down. Had they just given
all they could we could have got the thing out right and i wouldnt
have had to try to rip the place of. They made me do it Lord! Besides,
I need to look good to the jet set and a horse ranch in bluegrass will
help there...yea f*ck these work aday hacks and thier God tipping.
Cant build and end time ministry worthy of a teacher of my snuff on
the backs of a bunch of stiffs! Gots to know somebody in the hold!
surfkrow
surf-
was that link supposed to uligize docs paranoia and denial?
if so thats some funny stuff
Weatherman
>
> - Show quoted text -
WM-Check this out. It was made about 30 years ago believe it or not.
geraldkrug
ways.
studio
> I can see a time coming soon where you all will see the error of your
> ways.
You mean like when Melissa made that porn movie,
A Picture Perfect Seduction?
surfkrow
>
> - Show quoted text -
oh man! that was hauntingly familiar.
the music seems to have captured a surreal spirit which was the gene
scott experience.
did doc know about this piece?
Weatherman
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> oh man! that was hauntingly familiar.
> the music seems to have captured a surreal spirit which was the gene
> scott experience.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
WM-He must have certainly. The sound bites of Gene seem to come from
Gods Angry Man. Makes one wonder about the real deal behind that flick
and who was watching him ect ect.
surfkrow
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > oh man! that was hauntingly familiar.
> > the music seems to have captured a surreal spirit which was the gene
> > scott experience.
>
> > did doc know about this piece?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> WM-He must have certainly. The sound bites of Gene seem to come from
> Gods Angry Man. Makes one wonder about the real deal behind that flick
>
> - Show quoted text -
surf-
the picture of doc they used was horrid and his voice overs tinny how
creepy
i asked if he knew about it because i was wondering if he sued them or
tried to sue.
surfkrow
surf-
GK... my issues with Dr.Scott and Adm.Scott has never been about what
they did/do with the monies collected from congregants.
In my opinion the greatest spiritual leaders of our time should be in
charge of Gods resources and they answer to God. The perspective of
my dissent has centered on the self righteous hypocracy and abuse of
position and persons under there care for Gods sake.
Any contention over monies and possesions is a secondary issue raised
due to the primary issues. If there wrong get them out of the position
and away from the resources because of...
You broad stroke everything and everybody. You are not conversing you
are interjecting and singing, blurting and whistling.
Take it from me, bringing on contempt for what you believe is the
truth is one thing.
But this place you YOU are in is contemptuous for its own sake.
be still long enough to also listen with an ethical motive not just
speakin but listening.
your not the only person on the planet and you inherently owe it to us
to be heard as individuals as you yourself deserve.
Gods Rights are Gods rights and i respect that but we as fellow human
beings have rights when it comes to each other.
Gerald i suppose that i am asking you if you have abandoned any sense
of ethic or do you believe you have been relieved of that
responsability by God?
rpbc
>
> - Show quoted text -
rpbc:
SK.... I'm being serious with this.... Gerald believes he is God, so
there is no ethic outside of himself, nothing to be relieved from.
His spirit has either been possessed by a demon or has joined with a
demon, which means you hardly ever talk to Gerald Krug, you're talking
to the demon that animates through him. You heard him say the reason
he is banned from planet scott is because he banned himself since he'd
just get into a fight. He'd just get into a fight so his self
proclaimed mercy on the situation is to ban himself, not a matter of
self control, but he hates authority and causing a distrubance of that
nature would involve police and handcuffs, court appearances and money
for fines, possibly jail time... and he hates authority, police, who
in that instance would be keepers of the peace.... so he banned
himself. He has often said he goes right up to people and starts an
agrument, never forgets a grudge and acts on it at first opportunity.
He's consistant with this from his first posts here... and he's
attempting to run cover for Melissa's porn activity. His demon likes
Melissa, it feels through him common ground.
surfkrow
>
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gerald
(i doubt thats your real name but i am still speaking to who you
really are so you hear me)
listen to the truth of rp's words.
I leave it hear Jesus
w_bane
> On May 6, 5:33 pm, Judee77 <EvolutionLu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > down in the shadows was like a side effect of Viagra where he'd
> > maintain his salute for well over four hours. How the author, Ken
> > Blue, can even think this type of behavior "accidentally" harmed
> > others truly misses the boat.
>
> Matt2442:
> Some pastors may in fact be oblivious to the harm they cause, but at
> this level of spiritual abuse, I don't see how anyone could not know
> they are hurting people.
Not just hurting people but their eternel lives as well!
Now they are really going to town with there giving messages. it is
really amazing how people who know their bible and "Know their gospel"
are allowing this crap!
It's all old testament giving messages . I'm surprised the Jews don't
say anything
I have been reading the scriptures that have been used for enslaving
the sheep and the only scripture that comes to mind that counters it
is
Luke 1628 by it self .. For I have five brothers, and I want him to
warn them about this place of torment so they won't have to come here
when they die.'
I am not speaking of the death of the body only but the death of the
new born Christian when they get to this level of pure hell!
gypsie
> On May 6, 11:29 pm, matt2442 <matt2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 6, 8:57 pm, rpbc <b_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > rpbc:
> > > Judee77, Ken Blue wasn't writing about Gene Scott, he is describing a
> > > type which can have distinctive variations. If Scott was the type
> > > under discussion and Blue knew about him well enough to comment I'm
> > > sure he's change the accidental reference. Funny, every now and then
> > > he did it by accident and when informed he would say the victim ought
> > > to feel relieved for all the times they weren't caught.... remember
> > > that?
> >
> > Matt2442:
> > Actually he is discussing in the entirety of the book a spectrum of
> > spiritual abuse ranging from minor abuses to the messianic narcissist
> > type which is the apex, and describes Gene Scott perfectly, almost as
> > though he was writing about him.
> >
> > I remember what you are talking about. He'd blowtorch someone, find
> > out he was way off about whatever he yelled about, and didn't have the
> > decency to apologize.
> rpbc:
> I know matt, just writing to others who might not be regular readers.
> Scott certainly did know of the pain he was causing others and often
> enjoyed it. The more he did it the more he came to enjoy it till
> there was simply nothing to suggest it wasn't all for pleasure,
> whatever the reason became an excuse.
. (((((((studio))))))) .
Matt2442
> that was an interesting thread.
Yeah it was. I was just reading through it again.
geraldkrug
acr...@gmail.com
> An unsolicited letter came to one of the branch
> AFGS offices and our mailroom guys rang the
> big red bell like they do when we recieve
> advertisement from TBN or Fry's electronics.
>
> So in a nutshell, Pastor Melissa Scott is
> no longer going to be on TV. It is her choice to
> just be a nutcase internet "blogger" and
> web fanatic with a HD camera for no good reason.
>
> She has dwindled away the money that we gave
> over the years and has twisted the reasoning to
> make it seem like this was God's calling on her
> life. She mentions nothing about Gene Scott
> other than continued talking head for funds.
>
> Pastor Melissa Scott is one step closer to
> realizing her socalled "ministry" is just like
> the business across the street, green grass
> and the facade of church but full of works
> and dead men's bones.
>
> Maybe someone will post the letter today.
acr...@gmail.com
geraldkrug
Doc material thus is of no use to ms.
Gabriela Stevens
No One Special
> So 13 years later, the church is still there. She's still there, why have your pronouncements been so wrong?
...been so wrong?
Kro
> matt2442 said:
> > The question today is, do those in Melissa's congregation still feel
> > like they are part of an elite calling? If so, what on earth would
> > make them think that?
> surf-
> the very fact that so few remain is the reason in itself me thinks.
> "many called,few chosen"
> the fact that only a few remain validates there chosen status.
> christian doctrine itself is full to the hilt with psychotic polarity.
> on the one hand:
> "grace and peace"
> on the other:
> "think not that i came to bring peace but rather a sword"
> "saved by grace"
> but then in the book of acts
> God kills a man and his wife for lying about how much they gave
> God loves and forgives but then again God hates and eternaly damns..
> thing is we as christrians set out with good intentions trying to
> understand and impliment a complete and consistant belief system based
> on his word as revealed and end up 70 ways from sunday.
> speaking for myself, in ways i feel no better off now then i did 20
> yrs ago in that for all my efforts i am still kinda left feelin the
> same way i did way back then i dont know the lord i cant figure his
> word out and can only hope im not damned.
> If it was'nt for that darned ressurection thing i would'nt touch
> religion (christian or otherwise) with a 10 foot pole, it leads to a
> reflection of the psychotic polarity inherent in the word itself.
> I still believe that dr.scott was the closest to getting it right in
> terms of interpretation but look at how bad that all turned out when
> trying to impliment it.
> these are broad strokes.
> the point is that for every premis put forth in scripture there is an
> opposit position revealed in that same book of scriptures that could
> be takin.
> Comes down to reletivity or objectified reason' det and even this is a
> focal point of contention.
> what is prescriptive/what is descriptive
> faith with out works is dead but were saved by grace and that not of
> works lest anyman should boast what a fuckin contradiction.
> supposed to die to self yet build each other up in love wtf?
> all analogies breakdown and like the doc used to say it is all an act
> of grace. we can only fuck it up!
> what god inspires he empowers to his glory. he has chosen the foolish
> things to confound the wise. goes on and on.
> nothing required on our part for salvation yet its impossable to
> please god without faith alrighty then...
> back to just bein deaf dumb and blind. Or there is an indwelling
> spirit that leads the believer in life where its at but that can only
> be an intrinsic reality not a scientific one. hmm...
Kro
This was one of my first posts that began pointing out the disconnects in Christianity.
*Of note I asked the question "what is descriptive and what is prescription
Come along way scince then.
Dennis Ray Wingo
On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:15:41 PM UTC-8, studio wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-8, Gabriela Stevens wrote:
> >
> > So 13 years later, the church is still there. She's still there, why have your pronouncements been so wrong?
>
> So why did Melissa Scott write that letter and then not follow through on it?
>
> Everything else written is quite observable from where you are sitting, but you need both eyes wide open.
> Cult deprogramming should help. It depends though, you might be low hanging fruit just right for
> any organization wanting a turn at soul-cracking your willing, dumb, ass.
>
> Gabriela, have you even read the letter in question? Or are you just another gumby follower?
> How long have you been friends with Melissa?
> Is Gabriela even your real name?
> What high school did Melissa attend?
>
> I bet you can't even answer half of these questions honestly.
rpbc
Babyshoes Loveachother
Melissa's church is held up by old gaurd, original tither's, their family members, hirelings
staff and lawyers.