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http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=370729156
Moshe Shulman mshu...@ix.netcom.com 718-436-7705
http://www.pobox.com/~chassidus Chassidus Website
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http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=202226121
Subject: Bruce and Nedarim 39b
From: mshu...@ix.netcom.com(Moshe Shulman )
[...]
Without Torah, there would be no reward or punishment since there
would be no revelation of the divine will. Tshuva is what keeps us
constantly refocused on the Torah and G-d. Were there no possibility
of tshuva men would immediatly on their first failing, never again seek
closeness to G-d. Gan Edan and Gehenum are the places where the
reward and punishment is handed out. The throne of glory and the Beis
HaMikdash are the heavenly and earthly places where we relate directly
to G-d through prayer. Moshiach is the final purpose and tikun of the
world. This is what this teaching is saying.
There is NOTHING here about pagan worshipping the god/man
Messiah of Christianity.
~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I invite all to got to <http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml> and enter
in the FORUM field soc.culture.jewish , then in DATES FROM put in
Jan 1 1995 and in the KEYWORD field enter one at a time these key
words:
XTIAN (Result: 1-25 of 1900 matches Page 1 of 76)
XTIANITY (Result: 1-25 of 700 matches Page 1 of 28)
XMAS (Result: 1-25 of 500 matches Page 1 of 20)
How the Bible describes anti-Christ and how one should deal with
an anti-Christ:
The Apostle now says of the enemies of Christ: "Who is the liar if it is not
the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist..." 1 John 2:22
Note that there are many antichrists not just one that is taught by the Pharisees
allies: "...just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have
come to be many antichrists..." 1 John 2:19
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons
not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and
the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting
to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
That last sentence which says: "For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer
in his wicked works." is pretty strong advice!
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Back to soc.culture.jewish and using key words: IDOL JESUS (both words used
together at 4:11pm CSDST April 10, 2000)
The very first archive is:
http://x31.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=569366897
On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 02:23:01 GMT, "Seminary Student"
<roman...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Jesus of Nazareth: Miracle Worker or More?
No one is interested here. I am not more interested in the miracles of the
founder a religion that is equal to idol worship then I am in the miracle of
the Hindu elephant head idol drinking milk that occured not long ago.
moshe shulman mshu...@NOSPAMix.netcom.com 718-436-7705
CHASSIDUS.NET - Yoshav Rosh http://www.chassidus.net
Outreach Judaism http://www.outreachjudaism.org/
ICQ# 52009254
we also see as a result: 1-25 of 100 matches Page 1 of 4
Here is another:
http://x31.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600468061
Subject: Re: Su, the Ju...
Date: 03/21/2000
Author: Reuven Singer <reuv...@netmedia.co.il>
"I dont spell it out because it is not appropriate to write the name of any
existing idol. But since it is an Xtian abbreviation too, presumably I am
not insulting anyone except perhaps ignoramuses who dont know the
history of their own religion."
Yes Reuven here is what Jews taught about Jesus:
--
Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
From:
The Babylonian Talmud
Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
London
The Soncino Press 1935
[Note: When you see something such as {3}, this means a numbered
footnote for further reference. Words and phrases in ( ) are as the appeared
in the Talmud, in ( )s. Doc Tavish]
<Gittin 57a on page 261 of above Talmud volume>:
He [Onkelos son of Kolonikos] then went and raised Balaam by
incantations. He asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He
[Balaam] replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them?
He replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy
days for ever. {2} He then asked: What is your punishment? He
replied: With boiling hot semen. {3} He then raised up by incantations
the sinners of Israel. {4} He asked them: What is your punishment?
They replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said:
Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot
excrement.
Footnotes:
{2} Deut. XXIII, 7
{3} Because he enticed Israel to go astray.. V. Sanh. 106a
{4} [MS. M. Jesus]
X-reference to footnote {3} Sanhedrin 106a says:
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are
anti-Christian in tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus,
Phineas the Robber is taken to represent Pontius Pilate, and the
Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]
The footnote above belongs to contents of
<Sanhedrin 106a on page 725 of the Talmud volume>:
A certain min {8} said to Rabbi Hanina: Hast thou heard how old Balaam
was?- He replied: It was actually stated, but since it is written, Bloody and
deceitful men shall not live out half their days. {9} [it follows that] he was
thirty-three or thirty-four years old. {10} He rejoined: Thou hast said
correctly: I personally have seen Balaam's Chronicle in which it is stated,
'Balaam the lame was thirty years old when Phineas the Robber killed
him. {11}
Footnotes:
{8} Heretic
{9} Ps LV, 24
{10} cf. p.471, n. i
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are
anti-Christian in tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus,
Phineas the Robber is taken to represent Pontius Pilate, and the
Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]
_______________________________________
"It is clear that, therefore, that the Jewish legends deny the resurrection
of Jesus; the halakic assertion that Balaam (i.e. the prototype of Jesus)
had no part in the future life.... It is further said: 'The pupils of the recreant
Balaam inherit hell.'" Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1905) page 172
On page 170 of the same encyclopedia under "In Jewish Legend" we see:
"The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each
independent of the others-(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian
polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of
Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu") that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency
of all these sources to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to him
illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death."
Further on the same page of the same encyclopedia, in the second column,
half way down we see: "All the "Toledot" editions contain a [similar] story of
a dispute which Jesus carried on with the Scribes who, on the ground of that
dispute, declared him to be a bastard."
Turning the page in the same Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
(1905) to page 171 we see: "According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra
Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud (Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic
in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it..... Different in nature
is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot." .... The accusation of
magic is frequently brought against Jesus."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Small review: From all the above verifiable sources we learn that the
Talmud states that Balaam whilst in the other world or afterlife has as
a punishment- boiling hot semen. We also learn from the footnotes
and what the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia said of who Balaam is- Jesus.
The Talmud says that Jesus is boiling in hot semen. We also saw in the
Universal Jewish Encyclopedia that his "pupils" are in Hell as well. These
are the ones that are being punished with the boiling excrement!
We also saw that Jewish sources claim that Jesus was a practicer of
magic as well. What does the Bible say about the claim that Jesus' miracles
were from magical sources?
Read Matthew 12: 23-32 which in short says: "The Pharisees said Jesus
does not expel demons except by the means of Beelzebub. Jesus says
that all sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men but blasphemy against the
Spirit will not be forgiven, no, not even in the system of things to come.
[Beelzebub was the ruler of demons]. Mark 3: 29,30 adds: "However, whoever
blasphemes against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness forever, but is guilty
of everlasting sin. This because the Pharisees were saying 'He has an unclean
spirit' . " This only coincides with John 8: 48,49 which says: "In answer the
Jews said to [Jesus] him: 'Do we not rightly say, You are a Samaritan and have
a demon?' Jesus answered: 'I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father,
and YOU dishonor me.' "
-------------------------------
Another lesson from Doc Tavish on what Jews really say concerning
non-Jews--- Christians! Now one and all may have an appreciation
of why Jews have been disliked by so many people throughout all
ages and have been driven from one country right after another. To really
know the Jew, what he teaches, how he views the rest of mankind is
to totally loathe him as the self righteous bigot he truly is.
BTW in the manner I described above use these combined keywords
in the dejacom serach engine: PAGAN GENTILE
and you'll get such gems as: http://x42.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=568856635
Subject: Re: Question: Marriage
Date: 01/05/2000
Author: meirman <mei...@QQQerols.com>
>[posted by j e rosenbaum]
>"j e rosenbaum" <jero...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>news:84vorl$n59$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
>> i don't know, but it's forbidden to have relations with gentile women.
>I don't doubt this, but do you know where this is forbidden? Do you have a
>specific reference you can give me?
>
>Are you referring to anyone who is not Jewish when you say Gentile? Weren't
>the Gentiles a specific group of people that were seen as an enemy to the
>people of Israel in biblical times?
No not at all. Look it up in the dictionary. Gentile means non-Jew (except to
Mormons where it where it means non-Mormon!, and formerly among
Christians, a heathen or a pagan.). There is no group of people that ever
called themselves the Gentiles in any language, except during stand-up comedy.
[...]
~~End of DejaCom Archive~~
I invite all to go to soc.culture.jewish and see how the whiners & wailers really
speak of their dupes! You the non-Jew. When will non-Jews stop worshipping these
anti-Christs and see them for what they are? They have not changed-- you have
changed. You believe that there exists a Judeo-Christian unity but the Jew doesn't!
Doc Tavish
Bonus search (from the mainline Jeiwsh Hasidic website in New York City):
True Peace Home Page
Check out this brand new book! (November 1998) The Cry In the Views and
Opinion Section SEARCH the entire site. Palestinian Media Watch Wye is
another reason why Camp David is bad The following are recent news stories...
(23K) <http://www.truepeace.org/index2.html>
Excerpt: " 2. The second method is used in places which are not secure for Jews,
where they are compelled to carry out their crimes quickly without enjoying them:
they slaughter the victim by severing his neck and arteries after having placed a
receptacle underneath him so the blood will flow into it. Afterwards, the blood is
gathered in a jar. These jars are brought on Passover and Purim to the leading
rabbi, who blesses the blood. Then, they mix the blood together with flour to make
matza. Afterwards, the matza is distributed to God-fearing Jews and they eat it with
an appetite commensurate with the depth of their hatred for Jesus and Christians."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All of the above came from using the search engine at:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/ using the key words: JESUS IDOL
The above "search" link is part of the Chabad Lubavitch Web Site: http://www.chabad.org/calendar/
From the same Jewish website and using the same search engine but
using key words CHRISTIAN IDOLATRY we get an apologia for communism
and attack on Christianity among other things:
part.04
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these faiths and
causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The overwhelming majority
are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from... (5K) <http://www.chabad.org/gopher/ideal/skeptic/part.04.htm>
Excerpt: " Believer: Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they do concur
with the essence of man and of creation. Communism, despite its flaws and
corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of social justice. Christianity,
despite the horrendous atrocities it perpetrated and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of
a one, omnipotent and non- corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to
existence."
[To see with factual proofs who created what Jews said above: " Communism,
despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of
social justice" just click this link:
<http://x42.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=552387868>]
CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life
The idea of everlasting life is rather appealing to most folks. A somewhat
primal yearning seemingly tugs at us to somehow reclaim that certain
something which Adam and Chava lost when they sunk their teeth into... (14K) http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/life.html
Excerpt: " And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed, IF:
hypothetical speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of futility -
the socio-historical situation speaks for itself in the archives of Jewish history)
the righteous Jews of the Second Temple period had taught the Seven Laws
of Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have risen a religion such as
Christianity. With the knowledge that (through the observance of the Sheva
Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be attained as promised by Hashem
to Noach, the resulting fabrication that everlasting life could come only through
belief and worship of a human being would never have happened. Instead,
as we have noted, the teaching concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow -
The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had been forced into hiding by the vicious
persecution of the Jews, and the new covenant of Christianity was but a
pagan attempt to replace the eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach.
Thankfully, the truth and light of Torah concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow
now emerges and illuminates the Path of Life for B nei Noach and beckons
majestically to a needy world."
Regarding the lie in which Jews claimed: ".. the teaching concerning the
Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had been
forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and the new
covenant of Christianity.." it was Jews viciously persecuting Christians NOT
Christians persecuting Jews! (Notice Jews refer to Christianity as pagan!).
Here is what the Bible says about First Century Christianity and who
persecuted who:
http://x37.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=604618424&fmt=text
"The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews"
http://x30.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=604618313&fmt=text
"Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment"
http://x39.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=604679097&fmt=text
"The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised"
http://x28.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=591633841&fmt=text
"Attn Christians - Jewish Talmud on Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians"
Final Advice from Doc Tavish:
Please save this post in your archives, distribute it to all you know because
others need to see the full reality of exactly how Jews view non-Jews.
Next Holiday Season boycott any merchant who has any signs resembling
"Have a Merry Xmas"-- why contribute to the livelihood of these anti-Christs?
>
>Defendant Bradbury <sonn...@flash.net> wrote in message
>news:8cud6...@news2.newsguy.com...
>
> Nothing new. Nothing true.
Just look at the lies you're caught in below little toad!
> The remainder of this dishonest post from the diseased mind of Scott
>Bradbury (sonn...@flash.net) writing under the name of "Doc Tavish" is
>deleted as the garbage that it is.
>
> Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas...
Soon you will be able to explain to federal authorities why you
continually post where I live!
As for me lying Flash Net has confirmed that YOU and only YOU obtained
my customer information which you then distributed to your criminal
co-conspirators. This proves you as being an accessory to federal
crimes beyond any doubt Yale! The harassing death threat telephone
calls I've been getting are only possible because of YOU! This makes
you the mastermind or at least as I've said an accessory. Seeing how
you continually post where I live the mastermind may stick and the
proof that you have continual malice is proved as well. Rember your
e-mail harassment as well. I had toi get my ISP to put a block on my
e-mail box to keep you out! All very condemning against you stalker!
Here is Yale F. Edeiken lying about how he got my personal
information:
http://x35.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=608358246&fmt=text
Subject: --->Violation of USC Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 241?--
Edeiken's Legal Troubles Deepen<---
Date: 04/08/2000
Author: Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com>
[...]
I,Doc Tavish, had asked:
> > >Did he or did he not use a status of attorney to get my personal
> > >info from Flash Net? YES or NO.
John Morris replied:
> > Since I am not privy to Yale's personal arrangements, I can't answer
> > definitely yes or no. I suspect not, though. I suspect that his own
> > attorneys obtained the information.
((Tavish comment April 8, 2000-- Morris' assumption "I suspect that
his own attorneys obtained the information" is only valid to the point
that Edeiken has no attorneys-- Edeiken has been his own attorney as
I have been proving. I charge still that Edeiken used his power of
attorney to get my personal information which he has admitted (proven
in this very post) never have posting it and distributing it via his
mailing list. Federal crimes were committed using this information
unobtainable in the public domain.))
> And then Yale had it posted over USENET.
That is, of course, a lie. I never posted it anywhere.
Defendant Tavish's statement is mnore evidence of his continued
defamation.
((Tavish comment April 8, 2000-- Notice Yale denied "posting"
my personal information however he did NOT deny getting it from
my ISP (Flash Net) using his power of attorney! Very vital!))
~~~End of DejaCom Archival Posting~~~
Yale replied to the above with:
http://x21.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=608403278&fmt=text
Subject: Re: --->Violation of USC Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 241?--
Edeiken's Legal Troubles Deepen<---
Date: 04/08/2000
Author: Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net>
<snip>
> ((Tavish comment April 8, 2000-- Notice Yale denied "posting"
> my personal information however he did NOT deny getting it from
> my ISP (Flash Net) using his power of attorney! Very vital!))
Then I do so now.
~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~
More denial from Yale about his source of my unlisted telephone
number and address:
http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=606542183&fmt=text
Subject: Re: See You In Court! ...
Date: 04/04/2000
Author: Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net>
Defendant Bradbury <sonn...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:8cbsq...@news1.newsguy.com...
[...]
> Yale you and only you got my not in public domain information from
> Flash.Net after much duress made against them
That's a lie, criminal.
~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~
Edeiken claimed he did not get my private info from my ISP
BUT Flash Net is now sending me a copy of a subpoena
issued by Yale F. Edeiken in which he requested all of my
customer information. I asked who signed the request and they
answered: Yale F. Edeiken and thus Edeiekn is caught in still another
lie as evidenced here:
http://x40.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=608403278&fmt=text
Subject: Re: --->Violation of USC Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 241?--
Edeiken's Legal Troubles Deepen<---
Date: 04/08/2000
Author: Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net>
> ((Tavish comment April 8, 2000-- Morris' assumption "I suspect that his
> own attorneys obtained the information" is only valid to the point that
> Edeiken has no attorneys
That's a lie. The name of my attorney is being kept confidential
WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PRESIDENT JUDGE AND CLERK
becasue of your attempts to incite criminal harassment.
(Tavish Comments 4/13/2000 -- Flash Net said YOUR name is the name of
the attorney issuing the subpoena! You are now caught in another lie!)
~~~End of DejaCom Archive Excerpt~~~
All of the below will be presented as proof that you have quite a long
history of threatening others with litigation. You need to get a
lawyer you disgusting little toad. You're about to get run over
royally!
http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=610583146&fmt=text
"Edeiken's Long Established History of Threatening Others With
Litigation Established"
http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=610596639&fmt=text
"Edeiken's (Part 2) Long Established History of Threatening Others
With Litigation Established"
http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=610596759&fmt=text
"Edeiken's (Just a Little More) Long Established History of
Threatening Others With Litigation"
Your days of "practicing" law are drawing to a close toad!
BTW did I suggest your vital need to get a lawyer?!
Your pal,
Doc Tavish
>
>> >Defendant Bradbury <sonn...@flash.net> wrote in message
>> >news:8cud6...@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >
>> > Nothing new. Nothing true.
>>
>> Just look at the lies you're caught in below little toad!
>>
>> > The remainder of this dishonest post from the diseased mind of Scott
>> >Bradbury (sonn...@flash.net) writing under the name of "Doc Tavish" is
>> >deleted as the garbage that it is.
>> >
>> > Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas...
>
>> Soon you will be able to explain to federal authorities why you
>> continually post where I live!
>
>
> To distinguish you from all other Scott VBradburys in the world.
You're drooling again. Can't even type can you psycho?
>> As for me lying Flash Net has confirmed that YOU and only YOU obtained
>> my customer information which you then distributed to your criminal
>> co-conspirators. This proves you as being an accessory to federal
>> crimes beyond any doubt Yale!
> This proves you are a lying fuck as no federal crimes have been
>committed.
What do you call telephone calls in which death threats have been
made, successful traces completed and law enforcement verifying what
Southwestern Bell Telephone gave them? BTW I'm still getting calls.
All NOT possible without your abuse of the legal system! I am
reporting you to PA BAR, D.O.J., and the Disciplinary Board. They are
going to get copies of your subpoena, your admission to distributing
my customer info to YOUR mailing list, and copies of all the posts in
which you identify me and tell everyone where I live.
Get a lawyer scab-- you'll be needing one very soon!
>>The harassing death threat telephone
>> calls I've been getting are only possible because of YOU!
> That's a defamatory lie, Defendant Bradbury.
I was NOT getting death threat telphone calls BEFORE your
distributing my customer info via YOUR mailing list!
>> This makes
>> you the mastermind or at least as I've said an accessory.
> That's a defamatory li8es, Defenadnt Bradbury.
You're drooling again. Can't even type can you psycho?
You were the "intelligence" behind the crimes perpetrated
against me and to the crimes still being perpetrated!
> >Seeing how
>> you continually post where I live the mastermind may stick and the
>> proof that you have continual malice is proved as well.
> Of course I don't like you Defendant Bradbury. After your deth threats,
>criminal harassment , and forgeries why should I?
You're drooling again. Can't even type can you psycho?
You're the one doing the harassing!
>> Rember your
>> e-mail harassment as well.
> I have never harassed you by e-mail.
>
> Please peint a single trheat I have ever made to you by e-mail.
You're drooling again. Can't even type can you psycho?
By your own standards the e-mail doesn't have to be a threat!
Remember saying this Yale:
http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=221242655&fmt=text
Re: E-Mail & Non E-Mail and A Threat Yet
Author: Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net>
Date: 1997/02/25
"It matters not whether he said so publically, whether it did not
contain a threat, or whether is wa done by accident. I choose,
as it my right, not to receive obnxious email (and the email was
intended to be obnoxious)..."?
> I had to get my ISP to put a block on my
>> e-mail box to keep you out! All very condemning against you stalker!
> Antoerh defmaotry lie from Defendant Bradbury.
You're drooling again. Can't even type can you psycho?
>> Here is Yale F. Edeiken lying about how he got my personal
>> information:
> No lie, Defendant Bradbury. You just can't deal with the truth.
You're the one who can't deal with truth scab and you won't admit I've
caught you in numerous lies. Such as:
[...]
<snip>
[...]
> The remainder of this dishonest post from the diseased mind of Scott
>Bradbury
You're going to have to answer for the defamation of saying I have a
diseased mind as well Yale. All of your shenanigans should be proof
evident who isn't playing with a full deck!
>(sonn...@flash.net) writing under the name of "Doc Tavish" is
>deleted as the garbage that it is.
>
> Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas
Once again you'll get to explain to authorities why you persist in
posting where I live!
> --YFE