alt.fan.furry.art
Raccoon
we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
alt.fan.furry.art
What do you think?
-Raccoon
Rac Cooney
those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
archives.Instead of posting them on a.f.f.,they could post them
on a.f.f.a.
And,as a fellow raccoon (tree-dweller), I think "branch" was a
good word choice ^..^ !!
Rac Cooney's Homepage:
http://i.am/raccooney
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Rac Cooney
RedKnox wrote in message <700c9k$jh7
>Make sure its moderated in a way.. We all know we dont flamers in another
>news group
Also sounds like a good idea.There probably are ways to moderate
newsgroups.If not,you can run a bulletin board (for free)--one such
provider is www.insidetheweb.com
and you can moderate the board(check messages before they
get posted,or delete flames,etc.)
RedKnox
Raccoon wrote in message ...
>What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
>we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
>alt.fan.furry.art
>
>What do you think?
>-Raccoon
Make sure its moderated in a way.. We all know we dont flamers in another
news group
-RedKnox
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Rac Cooney <racc...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Could be a good idea!Folks can post their drawings;including
>those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
>archives.Instead of posting them on a.f.f.,they could post them
>on a.f.f.a.
>And,as a fellow raccoon (tree-dweller), I think "branch" was a
>good word choice ^..^ !!
>
>Rac Cooney's Homepage:
>http://i.am/raccooney
>
>>What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
>>we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
>>alt.fan.furry.art
>>
>>What do you think?
>>-Raccoon
>
>
only shell account.
jpanda
>
> What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
> we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
> alt.fan.furry.art
>
> What do you think?
> -Raccoon
Raccoon:
Sure, I'm all for it.. What do we have to do to get it? And if its
moderated, how does that work?
Jpanda
"Care for a Jellybaby?!"
The Doctor
"ICQ# 15386399
Farthing W. Fox
> Raccoon wrote in message ...
> >
> >we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
> >alt.fan.furry.art
> >
> >What do you think?
>
> those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
> archives.Instead of posting them on a.f.f.,they could post them
> on a.f.f.a.
We already have alt.fan.furry.muck for discussions about online MU* type
environments. I don't see anything wrong with alt.fan.furry.art for
art discussion.
However, it has to be _discussion only_. USENET has defined places within
known hierarchal structures for the postings of binaries - ie, drawings.
If you start posting binaries to non-binary groups, sooner or later that
group gets tagged as a 'stealth binary group', hilighted as such to news
administrators, and those administrators remove that group from their
servers. Then you get people complaining that they don't get the group
anymore, then there's flames, and tears, and... well - you get the idea.
The alt.* hierarchy is pretty liberal when it comes to adding newgroups,
but there are set rules. If you don't play by them, you get your knuckles
rapped and everybody loses.
So - art discussion; fine. posting pictures; not fine.
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David Formosa
>Could be a good idea!Folks can post their drawings;
There are very good technical resons for not haveing binaries newsgroups
in non-binaries hierkies. I would strongly suggest that if you wish to
go along this route then you should create a moderated alt.binaries.*
newsgroup.
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Rac Cooney
themselves...i.e.,just typing in the pic's URL,rather than posting
the picture itself(and you'd click it to _get_ the picture).
.Would that be OK(and not considered a binary group?)
Farthing W. Fox wrote in message ...
D. J. Green
Rac Cooney <racc...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>What about posting "links" to pictures,but not the pictures
>themselves...i.e.,just typing in the pic's URL,rather than posting
>the picture itself(and you'd click it to _get_ the picture).
>.Would that be OK(and not considered a binary group?)
That would probably be fine. The big problem with binary groups is that
they tend to eat up a *lot* of disk space on the news machines, so many news
admins will give them a higher expire rate or not carry them at all
depending on the amount of storage space available. If a group not in the
alt.binaries hierarchy starts getting a number of binary files (MIME-encoded,
uuencoded, etc. executables, images, audio files, and so forth) that are
quite large, the news admins may turn up the expire rate on the group or
stop carrying it altogether; that's why posting binaries to a non-binary
newsgroup is a no-no (though I digress here). It's the size of the postings
that matters ultimately, not the content.
At any rate, what you describe would be a legitimate non-binary group,
though some news admins might drop it in the bit bucket anyway if they're
not sure what the "art" part entails. Something like "art-urls" or
something might be a little more descriptive, in that case.
Dave Wright
» Folks can post their drawings;including
» those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
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>quite large, the news admins may turn up the expire rate on the group or
>stop carrying it altogether;
And because the feed file format is sensitive to size, they may drop
alt.fan.furry or alt.fan just to make it simpler on themselves.
I have mixed feelings, but if people want it I will, as the mad newgrouper
of alt.fan.furry, create it (or something like it).
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khr...@my-dejanews.com
zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com (Raccoon) wrote:
> What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
> we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
> alt.fan.furry.art
>
> What do you think?
>
Have you considered looking at the Fur.* hierarchy? There's already a furry
art discussion group _and_ a couple of binaries groups there...
Also, as someone previously mentioned, there's two groups already on USENET
that allows posting of furry-art: alt.binaries.pictures.furry and
alt.binaries.pictures.furry.erotica
Why make yet _another_ group? What would be different?
ermine (who talks about art, but doesn't post it to newsgroups, that's what
webpages are for.)
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Raccoon
says...
>In article <MPG.108d58244...@news.starnetinc.com>,
> zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com (Raccoon) wrote:
>> What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
>> we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
>> alt.fan.furry.art
>>
>> What do you think?
>> -Raccoon
>>
>
>Have you considered looking at the Fur.* hierarchy? There's already a furry
>art discussion group _and_ a couple of binaries groups there...
>
>Also, as someone previously mentioned, there's two groups already on USENET
>that allows posting of furry-art: alt.binaries.pictures.furry and
>alt.binaries.pictures.furry.erotica
>
>Why make yet _another_ group? What would be different?
>
Heh, it's funny you should mention that.
Before I ever found this alt.fan.furry, I found
alt.binaries.pictures.furry and alt.binaries.pictures.furry.erotica.
Yes, those 2 newsgroups are Intended to be "Furry" (Anthropolymorphic) in
nature.. they are not. Most of alt.binaries.* postings are of regular
smut/porn, spam, and xxx site adds. In addition, peopel think of Furry
as being well, furry.. um, down there. :), so you'll find pictures of
that nature. 95% of the posts between *.pictures.furry and
*.pictures.furry.erotica are cross posts as well. And to this date, I
have not found a Single "Furry" art picture.
Though, my suggestion of alt.fan.furry.art was not intended to be a
binaries newsgroup, but rather an art descussion forum and url exchange.
Basicly, anything having to do with Furry Art and not about roleplaying,
mucks, social behavior. (OOC)
I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
happen.
Raccoon
Raccoon
(Peter da Silva) says...
>In article <701jmk$eos$1...@shell3.ba.best.com>,
>D. J. Green <nebu...@best.com> wrote:
>>If a group not in the
>>alt.binaries hierarchy starts getting a number of binary files that are
>>quite large, the news admins may turn up the expire rate on the group or
>>stop carrying it altogether;
>
>And because the feed file format is sensitive to size, they may drop
>alt.fan.furry or alt.fan just to make it simpler on themselves.
>
>I have mixed feelings, but if people want it I will, as the mad newgrouper
>of alt.fan.furry, create it (or something like it).
>
>
You are absolutely correct. :)
I'm not opping for a binaries newsgroup. I personally prefer visiting
someone's site, bookmarking, and being able to come back and view
updates.
What I'm looking for in a newsgroup is the specific line between roleplay
and artwork. I see very little discussion about art drawing, technique,
tips on what software to use, etc.. art related, where artists can
exchange thoughts with other artists.
I think that alt.fan.furry can benefit from this by attracting more
artists to this forum. It would be very cool in my opinion, and would
probably attract commissions by people wanting a drawing of their
character.
Art descussion is to broad to describe, but the fact is.. I see very
little of it on our newsgroup, and wish there was more.
So my best suggestion is adding the "branch :)" .art to alt.fan.furry
Btw, Peter. I was wondering if you could tell me how this newsgroup is
hosted? I just curious how a news group gets started by people, and what
is required of the group, because I find it hard to believe that just
anyone can start a newsgroup otherwise there'd be well over 15,000. But
in the case of alt.can.creat.whatever.news.group.i.want I'm at a loss.
:)
Raccoon
Peter da Silva
Raccoon <zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com> wrote:
>Btw, Peter. I was wondering if you could tell me how this newsgroup is
>hosted?
The host of this newsgroup is Jerry Springer Spaniel, apparently.
>I just curious how a news group gets started by people, and what
>is required of the group, because I find it hard to believe that just
>anyone can start a newsgroup otherwise there'd be well over 15,000.
There's over thirty thousand by some counts.
>But
>in the case of alt.can.creat.whatever.news.group.i.want I'm at a loss.
That's alt.who.is.creating.these.stupid.newsgroup.names.anyway, bubba.
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Peter da Silva
Raccoon <zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com> wrote:
>I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
>pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
>happen.
Who would that be, then?
sola...@don'tmesswithtexas.net
>I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
>pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
>happen.
Unfortunately, there _is_ no "admin" of those groups to be kicked. The
vast majority of alt.* groups, unless they specifically _say_ "moderated"
in the newsgroup name, are completely uncontrolled areas.
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khr...@my-dejanews.com
> khr...@my-dejanews.com says...
> > zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com (Raccoon) wrote:
> >> What do you think about adding a new branch to the newsgroup.. I think
> >> we'd all be interested in subscribing to,
> >> alt.fan.furry.art
> >> What do you think?
> >> -Raccoon
> >
> >Have you considered looking at the Fur.* hierarchy? There's already a furry
> >art discussion group _and_ a couple of binaries groups there...
> >
> >Also, as someone previously mentioned, there's two groups already on USENET
> >that allows posting of furry-art: alt.binaries.pictures.furry and
> >alt.binaries.pictures.furry.erotica
> >
> >Why make yet _another_ group? What would be different?
> >
>
> Heh, it's funny you should mention that.
> Before I ever found this alt.fan.furry, I found
> alt.binaries.pictures.furry and alt.binaries.pictures.furry.erotica.
> Yes, those 2 newsgroups are Intended to be "Furry" (Anthropolymorphic) in
> nature.. they are not. Most of alt.binaries.* postings are of regular
> smut/porn, spam, and xxx site adds. In addition, peopel think of Furry
> as being well, furry.. um, down there. :), so you'll find pictures of
> that nature. 95% of the posts between *.pictures.furry and
> *.pictures.furry.erotica are cross posts as well. And to this date, I
> have not found a Single "Furry" art picture.
That's because it's an open forum, and there are a lot of people of low morals
and no social concience who will plaster pictures of naked 16-year-old girls
_everywhere_, regardless of if it's a binaries group or not, just to get the
attention.
> Though, my suggestion of alt.fan.furry.art was not intended to be a
> binaries newsgroup, but rather an art descussion forum and url exchange.
> Basicly, anything having to do with Furry Art and not about roleplaying,
> mucks, social behavior. (OOC)
Again, there's a Fur.* group that (I believe) is called Fur.art.discuss that
does the same thing.... the general problem I've seen has been that the usual
posts are "Here's my URL, tell me if you like my art", and the auto-posted
"Art materials FAQ" and such like that. I rarely _see_ discussion of art on
those groups.... and it pops up here every few months.
> I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
> pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
> happen.
As there _is_ no Admin of that newsgroup, being an unmoderated group, you can
wait until Hell warms back up from the Ice Age for that.
On the _other_ hand, you can do what so many other self-regulated groups do
and add something like ART: or FURART: as subject-header prefixes so that
people can start filtering out all the non-furry art on their own.
ermine
WolfFur
Dave Wright wrote in message <675.591T9...@dm.net>...
>There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
Is there anyplace that ISN'T 99%+ pure SPAM?
~~WolfFur
Skip Sanders
post just made today, '(FAQ) Introduction to the Furrynet (fur.*)
newsgroups' for info on connecting to the fur.* heirarchy. auto-moderated,
a spam event is so rare as to produce wild comment. (except for the clueless
who read the groups on OTHER than the legitimate fur servers, via 'leaks' of
the groups, where they're as spammed as anything else, AND you don't
actually get most of the binaries, since leaks most often don't 'buy' huge
messages.
Oh, yeah, I believe that news.yiff.com is dead, the FAQ hasn't caught that
yet. USA, you should probably use news.fur.com to get your fix. ;)
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Farthing W. Fox
>
> Oh, yeah, I believe that news.yiff.com is dead, the FAQ hasn't caught that
> yet. USA, you should probably use news.fur.com to get your fix. ;)
There is no 'news.yiff.com' mentioned in the FAQ. There is 'news.yiff.net'
which is a public server and still operating.
Do you mean 'news.yiffco.com' perhaps? I took that out that FAQ the
same time that I added the entry for 'news.yiff.net'.
If you do find an error with the FAQ, or an ommission, or something that
should be added, then please email me.
William Haskell
>
> *Thus spake Rac Cooney <racc...@prodigy.net>:*
> » Folks can post their drawings;including
> » those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
> » archives.
>
And we all know what great stuff is being continually uploaded there -
ads for Naked Teenage Cheerleader Blow Job Pics and other such quality
entertainment. It would have to be moderated - and who's to do that?
GothTiger
WolfFur wrote:
> Dave Wright wrote in message <675.591T9...@dm.net>...
>
> >There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
>
> Is there anyplace that ISN'T 99%+ pure SPAM?
The only way you're going to get that is if it's moderated. Any
volunteers?
GothTiger, Burned Fur
(tig...@execpc.com)
Farry
zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com (Raccoon) wrote:
>...
>I'm not opping for a binaries newsgroup. I personally prefer visiting
>someone's site, bookmarking, and being able to come back and view
>updates.
>What I'm looking for in a newsgroup is the specific line between roleplay
>and artwork. I see very little discussion about art drawing, technique,
>tips on what software to use, etc.. art related, where artists can
>exchange thoughts with other artists.
>...
Actually, there is already a newsgroup that was intended for that.
It's called alt.arts.anthro and was created several months back.
Unfortunately it seems to have flopped and now contains nothing but
spam. This is the likely fate of any further attempts to create an
art-only group outside of Furrynet IMHO.
fur.artwork.discuss is reasonably lively and since it's inside
Furrynet, it's spam-free.
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The Saprophyte
>
> Dave Wright wrote:
> >
> > *Thus spake Rac Cooney <racc...@prodigy.net>:*
> > » Folks can post their drawings;including
> > » those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
> > » archives.
> >
>
> ads for Naked Teenage Cheerleader Blow Job Pics and other such quality
> entertainment. It would have to be moderated - and who's to do that?
There is an alternative method. a.b.p.e.cartoons for instance seems to
manage a bit without being moderated. Although they did end up creating
a new moderated group, the original is still going strong.
What they do is essentially flood the group with so much art that
there's hardly room for anything else. Replies and requests also add to
the sqeeze. Oh, They still get spam but not as much as some places.
On a good day, you barely notice any.
(it's possible though that they just don't get as much spam as other
groups. Highly unusual for an erotica group.)
The only hitch to this method is you have to have a lot of art on hand
that the artists are willing to have reposted. That or a sudden influx
of new art. If every artist posted one new pic every day... :)
The Saprophyte
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Raccoon
<"forban"@[204.52.135.1]> (William Haskell <"forban"@[204.52.135.1]>)
says...
>Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>> *Thus spake Rac Cooney <racc...@prodigy.net>:*
>> » Folks can post their drawings;including
>> » those who don't have websites or aren't on the various furry
>> » archives.
>>
>> There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
>
>And we all know what great stuff is being continually uploaded there -
>ads for Naked Teenage Cheerleader Blow Job Pics and other such quality
>entertainment. It would have to be moderated - and who's to do that?
>
I'd gladly moderate any binaries group.
It'd give me chills to beable to delete spammer posts.
Anyone looking for a moderator, give me a call.
Raccoon
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Raccoon
says...
>>
>
>The only way you're going to get that is if it's moderated. Any
>volunteers?
>
>GothTiger, Burned Fur
>(tig...@execpc.com)
>
I'm up for the task.
As I just posted further down the thread, I'd gladly moderate a binaries
group. Since I frequent the binaries groups daily.. I find the spam to
be very distracting and would kill for the privilege to delete spam
posts. Just give me a call, I wont let you down.
-Raccoon
Raccoon
Silva) says...
>In article <MPG.108eb9e0...@news.starnetinc.com>,
>Raccoon <zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com> wrote:
>>pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
>>happen.
>
>
>
No idea, how does one go about finding the admin of a newsgroup?
Brian W. Antoine
: I'd gladly moderate any binaries group.
: It'd give me chills to beable to delete spammer posts.
: Anyone looking for a moderator, give me a call.
Anybody who gets a thrill at the thought of being able to wield that kind
of power is the WRONG person for the job.
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: Dave Wright wrote in message <675.591T9...@dm.net>...
: >There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
: Is there anyplace that ISN'T 99%+ pure SPAM?
Yes, try reading those groups on a server that takes despamming seriously.
D. J. Green
Raccoon <a1l2t3.4r5...@usa.net> wrote:
>In article <703qrm$e...@bonkers.taronga.com>, pe...@taronga.com (Peter da
>Silva) says...
>>In article <MPG.108eb9e0...@news.starnetinc.com>,
>>Raccoon <zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com> wrote:
>>>I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
>>>pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
>>>happen.
>>
>>Who would that be, then?
>
>No idea, how does one go about finding the admin of a newsgroup?
I think that's the point he was trying to make: newsgroups don't *have*
"admins," for the most part, unless they're moderated. Once a newsgroup's
created, it's one for all and all for all and who's for a ham sandwich?
Skip Sanders
along with fur.artwork.adult -- IF you subscribe to them on one of the
'legal' fur.* servers, and not the leaked, partial, and spammed versions
thereof on any OTHER server. Try news.fur.com or news.yiff.net in the USA,
news.fysh.org in Europe for these groups. Constant picture posts,
discussion (many other fur.* groups, also), and almost never a spam post.
The legal fur servers auto moderate.
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Raccoon wrote in message ...
>In article <709h85$f...@newsops.execpc.com>, tig...@execpc.com (GothTiger)
>says...
>>
>>
>>WolfFur wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Wright wrote in message <675.591T9...@dm.net>...
>>>
>>> >There are already alt.binaries.pictures.furry and a.b.p.f.erotica.
>>>
>>> Is there anyplace that ISN'T 99%+ pure SPAM?
>>
>>The only way you're going to get that is if it's moderated. Any
>>volunteers?
>>
>>GothTiger, Burned Fur
>>(tig...@execpc.com)
>>
>
>I'm up for the task.
>As I just posted further down the thread, I'd gladly moderate a binaries
>group. Since I frequent the binaries groups daily.. I find the spam to
>be very distracting and would kill for the privilege to delete spam
>posts. Just give me a call, I wont let you down.
Raccoon
(David Formosa) says...
>In <70o3oj$2qh$1...@velar.olsy-na.com> bri...@iea.com (Brian W. Antoine) writes:
>
>>Raccoon (a1l2t3.4r5...@usa.net) wrote:
>>: I'd gladly moderate any binaries group.
>>: It'd give me chills to beable to delete spammer posts.
>>: Anyone looking for a moderator, give me a call.
>
>> Anybody who gets a thrill at the thought of being able to wield that kind
>>of power is the WRONG person for the job.
>
>usenet newsgroup results in all the posts that would be going to the group
>being emailed to your mailbox.
>
>
Oh? How does that work?
Btw, I'm not a cocky person.. and definitely wouldn't put personal
interest ahead of integrity. (ie, I wouldn't go deleting posts from
people I disliked. (are there any of those?))
I'm just curious as to who started such a news group. There has to be
someone that owns it. I highly doubt a.b.p.furry is some sort of
original usenet group, so who is incharge?
I know that if I started a newsgroup, binary or not.. I wouldn't let it
become a spamming ground.
So, what does moderating a newsgroup intail?
How can I find the owner of ABPF*?
Raccoon
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other than private groups like the microsoft.* heirarchy, netscape.*, etc.
There is a proceedure to get approval to create a non-alt group, involving
votes, etc, but once created, the group is 'on its own'. Alt groups, ANYone
can create, and many do. Most are ignored, or simply fill with spam. Once,
years ago, someone or someones decided to create alt.fan.furry. Since it
was created, it's on its own, there's NO one who can exert any claim to
'ownership'. The most anyone can do, is to refuse to carry the group, if
they control a news server, or refuse to propagate the group if they feed
other servers. (Which is why you shouldn't post binaries in a non binary
group, news server owners will do just that, if they notice a 'stealth'
binary group.)
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Or click on the image to go to the homepage of Japan's best baseball team - but you better have a Japanese enabled browser.David Formosa
>In article <703qrm$e...@bonkers.taronga.com>, pe...@taronga.com (Peter da
>Silva) says...
>>In article <MPG.108eb9e0...@news.starnetinc.com>,
>>Raccoon <zs...@starnetinc.starnetinc.com.com> wrote:
>>>I'm all for kicking the admin of alt.binaries.pictures.furry.* in the
>>>pants for not keeping his forum clean of smut.. but thats unlikely to
>>>happen.
>>
>>Who would that be, then?
>No idea, how does one go about finding the admin of a newsgroup?
Most newsgroups don't have admins. Some newsgroup hierakes (like fur.* or
aus.*) have admins but alt.* dosn't. Welcome to the anacky Raccoon.
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>Raccoon (a1l2t3.4r5...@usa.net) wrote:
>: I'd gladly moderate any binaries group.
>: It'd give me chills to beable to delete spammer posts.
>: Anyone looking for a moderator, give me a call.
> Anybody who gets a thrill at the thought of being able to wield that kind
>of power is the WRONG person for the job.
Oh, I don't think he will be so thrilled when he relises that moderating a
usenet newsgroup results in all the posts that would be going to the group
being emailed to your mailbox.
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: >Raccoon (a1l2t3.4r5...@usa.net) wrote:
: >: I'd gladly moderate any binaries group.
: >: It'd give me chills to beable to delete spammer posts.
: >: Anyone looking for a moderator, give me a call.
: > Anybody who gets a thrill at the thought of being able to wield that kind
: >of power is the WRONG person for the job.
: Oh, I don't think he will be so thrilled when he relises that moderating a
: usenet newsgroup results in all the posts that would be going to the group
: being emailed to your mailbox.
Except he seems to be talking about moderation and retro-moderation at
the same time. Retro-moderation would involve issuing cancels and that is
not a power tool you hand to somebody who's almost begging to use it.
David Formosa
>In article <70ojjd$675$1...@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, dfor...@zeta.org.au
>(David Formosa) says...
[...]
>>Oh, I don't think he will be so thrilled when he relises that moderating a
>>usenet newsgroup results in all the posts that would be going to the group
>>being emailed to your mailbox.
>Oh? How does that work?
Well what we do is we create a new newsgroup called
alt.binaries.pictures.furry.moderated with you as a moderator. Now when
anyone tries to post to abpfm instead of being posted to the newsgroup
instead it gets emailed to you. You read the message and if it is approved
you post it for the person.
>I'm just curious as to who started such a news group. There has to be
>someone that owns it.
Nobody owns alt.* groups. It was created by Peter da Silva on 17 Nov 1993
however he dosen't own it.
David Formosa
[...]
>There is a proceedure to get approval to create a non-alt group,
Thare are proceedures to get approval to create non-alt groups. Each hearcie
has its own rules.
[...]
> Once, years ago, someone or someones decided to create alt.fan.furry.
Peter Da Silva.
David Formosa
> Except he seems to be talking about moderation and retro-moderation at
>the same time. Retro-moderation would involve issuing cancels and that is
>not a power tool you hand to somebody who's almost begging to use it.
Retromoderation is not a tool I would hand out to anybody. Its just
too dangourious. Nor do I think he is awear of the underling technosocial
nature of the Usenet to a signifigent deggry to know what he is asking for.
RacCooney
messageboard (available for free from www.insidetheweb.com
among others) where people could post their pictures.(I already
have two such messageboards). These boards can indeed be
moderated(incidentally,messageboards aren't technically the
same as a newsgroup,and,since not everyone takes part in
newsgroups,they may take part in a messageboard...)
Right,moderation can be a problem, as it can lead to "censorship".
It wouldn't be surprising if dirty pictures were to pop up on such
a messageboard (i.e.,one specifically designed for "clean" pics)
..but moderation could also lead to things like
"well,I don't really like this artist's style,so I'll delete it"...The
interesting
thing is that both my messageboards haven't required moderation,
as there have been no flames or dirty stuff on them.People have been
kind enough to keep it clean and civil.So maybe I'm being too
optomistic on messageboards...
--put one up,and have to delete inappropiate posts?
--put one up,and leave inappropriate posts there--but that would
irritate people who don't want adult material and/or flames?
Tough call.I will say that I did check out alt.binaries.furry (or whatever
the heck it's called)...so maybe we DO indeed have a site for
showcasing pictures after all.
RacCooney
RacCooney wrote in message <70q3na$dblm$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
.(I already
>have two such messageboards).
Uh,in case someone thought that these 2 messageboards I have
happen to be furry-related,well,they aren't.One if dedicated to
issues relating to short people(even though I'm not short!),while
the other is about unusually tall or tiny people or animals in
TV/movies/cartoons/books/ads/real life.
short people one: http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb140491
giant/tiny one: http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb117154
I may start a furry one eventually,though...
Allen Kitchen
David Formosa wrote in message <70q1n0$3v8$1...@godzilla.zeta.org.au>...
>Retromoderation is not a tool I would hand out to anybody. Its just
>too dangourious. Nor do I think he is awear of the underling technosocial
>nature of the Usenet to a signifigent deggry to know what he is asking for.
Cancels for an unmoderated group CAN be done, and with regards
to everyone's freedom of speech. The process involves at minimum
two people. One person says which articles need canceled, and the
second ensures that the first isn't off on some vendetta. If the first
cancels articles from people instead of spam, he can be charged with
computer tampering. The second is a witness, and ensures the first
doesn't get powerhappy.
Let the pair swap out weekly, so no one person is doing all the cancelling,
and you have a system that is less threatening to posters. People
won't know who has the cancel gun, and won't worry about person
X cancelling articles just because he owes X money. But since
all this leaves the cancelers in the hotseat all the time, it isn't likely
to
be implemented any time soon.
Allen Kitchen
Raccoon
skip...@san.rr.com (Skip Sanders) says...
>
>Wdpk zlkrril ymmy ts
>rv rninu egequ tyk bmiqm zhof
>mmif pbumuc quafe iik.
>
>Pppey iksfu ee iyt fsriv
>fo xawf dafc slsz
>glf ypelie usdel mwlaa lpi?
>
>Drcms soka laaf uuid tqtg del
>yske mlue eet vpnu buro
>pa vy czb muoz
>iau iedxab obsez bmvr eevjor bepel?
>
>Vldu lgup tcts lim
>eym cw xik lztgm
>lasj selzl tkfvb raee ym
>spocr huezmm bre eurzoi gyimpb ewlv
>zehbse oeupjr rstyq fsgv pleae kcyfa
>puu egtek eolwa erski aeuvp ot.
>
>Sbdlus ue ffji edeec jt pveaf
>jee xdh uvbr zlqes
>ngq ekhdky eeomud kse mvua ffhi?
>
>Felz yr baxo htmt ii
>ntetdek deeiiev zijrzl fbwp ecbx
>eriyse lkfe bibyc yvzc!
>
>Othe ree fie xik sfei yl?
>
>Kduye atbn lsl euyr eco dtntd
>yfm dhi eyt sey srw xb
>tynk epbe eyu itaym
>rougm ejfni il tawsb lemm
>rlp kgx fbel uqii ooh.
>
>Ltmfkp sjk uig avnebi sky kpy
>sdiu bls jiy baid thye la
>eoxau etzf aj amae
>ktr ecx emcv ue
>ttj yotqta ettsao sdovei bisywe ppd
>snhn knbb iotu edix mfib tari
>ihiu vmev pwxe tce
>eeb fl amg olb aftnl myqg
>er mlmy oaitt clbi vlwou bi?
>
>Tzw idsee uvbr kskhp rh
>xete eie eq eeoe jt ud
>wkzwzt ketemab uvy troe mbeeu duoif!
>
>
Thats not ROT-13, what is it?
Sorry if I seem like I'm intruding, but I'm interested cause I started
the thread. :)
Raccoon
nebu...@best.com (D. J. Green) says...
>
>Irpml ektm ped hhi wmn eu
>gel neg ei sirg of!
>
>Rfeqs dlfynj uubeda rikd ey feu
>yemt pxy akilm bnle lh
>satfrdi fepyt beewkei ego luptm?
>
>Wmeo eya uosy erett
>sdy giz qdok nhtpu iy
>qaue rts em gptgt
>mnjip epkac igp pvl xzve ptbil
>htkiitx svk yietk hleboo abmih
>pqio orle xikcq fdbfm bpela igoh.
>
>Jesfu csp fxeo eete ei obe
>ecj le elum gubd cse tftck
>viz ewra ipe ud bl suz
>qpz bye yyt ylke
>yyx rtewe nux alst nu
>ddvpp edy jfjyoq pyw
>fin ebjkuz blr qlb brhct
>tlq bsuwf ieuei kyze
>lt etcut blnd lks
>gzkhkt umyyo meop peee pti afklj
>eftl gphb pj sba ufzvs!
>
>Ybdwe th aypo fkgry
>ayfe qilr jdec ik
>ltyuka ebqusbl swko yodk meet arz
>ii bff spi dqei?
>
>Upebfk gjq ecd kdasx aae
>lrxgoie ditt ld sbkdss jekfc
>slbcdl llchvb kde trs rofm.
>
>Fzva lbte zdxc mmlm bw cu.
>
>Lkeaffb spqit qel lukc meidv
>parbu mjfiepm nke iy!
>
>Egkkh dakl eoh lfek
>ixlm elexy ly ae glux kadc!
>
>Jyye oi lewf dlhkh
>isn yl rtei ude
>el mz cvqn seb rtnsa
>eeyc drphb lqx pw
>ysmiepm oek xligk vh
>fsr olnm eyi kml ajdau
>ciw fwsq vecc ufyg oir lo
>meb bpu edal sore
>ejqde luii wpbsy mdle
>idbl ezslc ikqb ujbrbe papy?
>
>Wakcq uulfpb ufrmef purp!
>
>Uqrq kpkfo kcb teiatk el
>ienu hno ridf pd?
>
>Gyif wiil tthf xei eqm!
>
>Logi xp beu yrb xs.
>
>
Did I miss something here?
Why all the scrambling?
-Raccoon
Skip Sanders
'HipCrime', which posts 'superscede' messages falsely identified as coming
from the original poster. The text is purely random, but formatted to
'look' like real words, to make it hard for anti-spam programs to recognize
the posts automatically and kill them.
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>In article <3vRgcbV45vfMI.evwHYl...@news.san.rr.com>,
>skip...@san.rr.com (Skip Sanders) says...
>>
>>Wdpk zlkrril ymmy ts
>>rv rninu egequ tyk bmiqm zhof
>>mmif pbumuc quafe iik.
>Thats not ROT-13, what is it?
>Sorry if I seem like I'm intruding, but I'm interested cause I started
>the thread. :)
>Raccoon
>
Raccoon
(Skip Sanders) says...
>It's an attack on many newsgroups, using a hacking program called
>'HipCrime', which posts 'superscede' messages falsely identified as coming
>from the original poster. The text is purely random, but formatted to
>'look' like real words, to make it hard for anti-spam programs to recognize
>the posts automatically and kill them.
>
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I actually thought I had some replies to read today. :)
Sounds like a pretty dirty hack.. why use it for something as petty as
flooding news groups.
Someone intelligent would use it to impose as someone else, or something
around those lines.
I must admit though, thats some pretty good artical structuring. I was
trying to unscramble a message for a good 20 minutes before I gave up.
That would probably also explain why I have a dozen posts in the Control
bin. (which had me really confused)
Oh well. Thanks for the news.
Raccoon
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>>It's an attack on many newsgroups, using a hacking program called
>>'HipCrime', which posts 'superscede' messages falsely identified as coming
>>from the original poster. The text is purely random, but formatted to
>>'look' like real words, to make it hard for anti-spam programs to recognize
>>the posts automatically and kill them.
>Thats disappointing.
>I actually thought I had some replies to read today. :)
>Sounds like a pretty dirty hack.. why use it for something as petty as
>flooding news groups.
Because the hacker-wannabe types who use these programs _are_ petty.
The mentality is somewhat akin to a ten-year-old kicking over an anthill
just to watch the ants scurry around; undoubtedly he/she thinks being able
to launch a denial-of-service attack on a few newsgroups makes them a
<HACKSPEAK> "MEGA-kewl d00d" </HACKSPEAK>.
The _really_ scary question is, how long do you think it'll be before
the people who write ad-spam software figure out this little trick and set
up _their_ programs to send out floods of commercial spam as "supercedes"
to legit news traffic?
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RacCooney
Note all the groups above--as somebody pointed out,sending
posts through all those groups are somehow part of all of this.
RacCooney wrote in message ...
>MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!
>
RacCooney
actually use the person's email address,to make it look
authentic.The "meow" message wasn't from me,but you
wouldn't know it by checking out the reply address.
RacCooney wrote in message ...
>MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!MEOW!
>
Uh,no,an imposter did...
RacCooney
discourage it) to send email using someone else's name AND
email address.Meowing hackers,please stop.
Unright wrote in message <36352642...@home.com>...
>
>Actually, judging from the content, it would be meowers, not hackers.
>
>They usually reside in newsgroups like alt.flame and alt.evil
>
>They are quite annoying creatures and give a bad name to felines..
...
Unright
Actually, judging from the content, it would be meowers, not hackers.
They usually reside in newsgroups like alt.flame and alt.evil
They are quite annoying creatures and give a bad name to felines..
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: The _really_ scary question is, how long do you think it'll be before
: the people who write ad-spam software figure out this little trick and set
: up _their_ programs to send out floods of commercial spam as "supercedes"
: to legit news traffic?
You're about a week late with this prediction, it's already happened.
sola...@don'tmesswithtexas.net
>solarfox@DON'TMESSWITHtexas.net wrote:
>: The _really_ scary question is, how long do you think it'll be before
>: the people who write ad-spam software figure out this little trick and set
>: up _their_ programs to send out floods of commercial spam as "supercedes"
>: to legit news traffic?
>
> You're about a week late with this prediction, it's already happened.
"I _hate_ being prophetic..."
-(from "The Adventures of Brisco County")
I hadn't seen that yet - either my ISP's already filtering it for me,
or I'm just not hanging out in the right (wrong) newsgroups...
Raccoon
racc...@prodigy.net (RacCooney) says...
>And the sad part is that it is very possible(I won't say how,to
>discourage it) to send email using someone else's name AND
>email address.Meowing hackers,please stop.
>
Not only are they using your email address..
but they are using your NNTP Posting Host so it looks completely
authentic.
I don't believe it's actually a bot at work doing this by posting new
messages.. but rather altering/duplicating existing messages on the
server.
Though I'm not to tech-savvy on how this is done.. I think it's doubtful
they are going to far out of their way to imitate everyone.
- Raccoon
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