A belated post, but needed, nonetheless.
fka...@my-deja.com
Excuse me- but this post deals with an event that happened a few
weeks ago- the event being the airing of the "gay sci-fi con" segment
on Comedy Central's "Daily Show." I know the more pedantic and trite
among you might say that this is an example of BF (and I in particular)
re-opening an issue that's long past.
Well- yes, and no (more of the latter than the former, but I
digress.) It's not re-opening old wounds, as the issues surrounding
the airing of this segment, as well as the implications for the fandom
at large, were never addressed properly. In fact, I found the
deafening silence that followed in the wake of this media atrocity
almost as infuriating as the segment itself.
Now, truth be told, when I ran a draft of this past the BF rank-and-
file, a few actually objected- they said I was being too heavy-handed,
and one person timidly put forward that I was wrong to be offended by
this segment (I'm still in wonder over that...) Keeping this in mind,
I will make the following statement to placate those within the BF
movement, as well as it's detractors that:
These are MY statements, reflecting MY views. This post, in no way,
reflects the policies nor the agenda of BF, and I am willing to accept
every bit of fallout and inevitable abuse that the stating of pure,
simple fact incurs in these, the most silent and relativist of times.
Begin transmission:
I told you so.
Over two years ago, I posted my embryonic website to the collective
joke known as the internet, with one of its core principles being the
warning that the fandom that I had enjoyed for almost half my life was
in mortal danger. I wrote an essay, entitled "What Is To Be Done",
lamenting the degenrate elements which had infiltrated our fandom, and
warning of the dire consequences to our fandom, should these elements
continue in their ascendency.
I warned that if the world at large should encounter our fandom
through these elements, the fandom would be irreperably damaged-
tainted as a haven for the sexually degenerate. I warned that the
proliferation of pornography depicted to the world a fandom aberrant
and despicable.
This was followed almost a year later by Squeerat's "Manifesto"-
a text which stated the facts of the matter far more bluntly and
accurately than I could have. This document led to the formation of a
core group with no ideology, no cohesive structure- other than the
common desire to bring about a change in the fandom- an effort to bring
the fandom back to it's roots- the art, the animation, the fiction, the
wonderous joy that lights a child's eye when he sees Disney's "Robin
Hood" for the first time, and the inspiration and groundbreaking
innovation that brought Albedo, TMNT, and an entire rennaisance in the
genre of Funny Animals to life.
Noble goals- simple goals. Squeerat, I, and (as we found later)
hundreds of others shared our deep sense of dissapointment that
Lifestylers, Plushophiles, Bestialists, and their ilk had taken
something we had held so dear, wiped their asses on it, and mounted the
resulting mess on a flagpole for all to see. This was a theft not of
property, or a simple fraudulent theft of ideas. This was a case of a
group of people swaggering into a house that we and many other had
built, taking over, and thrusting us to the rear, scornfully telling us
that we were no longer needed, nor wanted. They took our home, turned
it into a brothel, and spat insults at us when we objected.
Of course, our rewards for our efforts were met with
condemnation. We were called nazis, fascists- and those were the nice
names they chose for us. On the other hand, nihilists like random
(small r- he doesn't merit capitals), and rackety (ditto) said we were
taking this all too seriously.
But for two years, we pushed on as best we could. We started a
webring, which became the second-largest in furry fandom. We took to
whatever media was available to us- for the most part, we were
restricted to the internet. We started mailing lists, newsgroups, and
websites. At every turn, we were confronted with two facts: We were
not alone, yet there were people who would stop at nothing to enforce
their "open mindedness" and "tolerance" within the fandom, even if it
meant destroying it. Their purile pursuit of selfish pleasure and self-
gratification was more important, they maintained, than the efforts
that I and literally thousands of others had put into this fandom.
We had great victories- we saw our opponents humbled and
marginalized. When random tried posting our Burned Fur site to the
Portal of Evil, it ended within mere days as the farce that it was.
New anthro cons started cropping up that had rules regarding behavior
and the display of adult art. Ou webring continues to grow, as do the
ranks of our supporters.
But we didn't go far enough, fast enough. Our opponents were so
brazen, and so ubiquitous, that our efforts, restricted as they were to
the internet and a few cons, were unable to maintain and thicken the
dangerously thin veil that seperated our tainted fandom from public
scrutiny. We saw that on The Daily Show. There he was- Kevin Duane,
proudly displaying his filth to the prying cameras of comedy central.
There they were- the artists (term used very loosely) who owed their
lifeblood to the sick elements who had stolen our fandom- glibly
humiliating both themselves and waving our fandom's worst shame to
millions of households.
To a certain extent, pinheads like rackety and random had a
point- we weren't going far enough. We were pussyfooting around some
of the largest issues behind the dire straits the fandom was in. We
rarely went after the ringleaders- the few champions of the degeneracy
that was at the core of the cancer that has been steadilly gnawing away
at fandom since ConFurEnce 3.
Well- in the wake of recent events, it has become clear that this
will not do. We must acknowledge our bully pulpit, and take on the
forces that would destroy our fandom by name. We must have the courage
the mount the ivory tower, accept the uncomforatble mantle of
authority, and state unequivocably our accusations against these foul
excuses for human beings...
These people need to be exposed for what they are- they must be
hounded- persecuted, and driven back into the maggot-ridden depths from
which they emerged. Until they are, we cannot hope to make any
progress towards the rehabilitation of the fandom they so gleefully and
selfishly destroyed.
I ACCUSE:
Mark Merlino- who masterminded the debacle that was ConFurEnce 3-
advertised almost exclusively through Gay and Lesbian rescources.
The "man" who came up with the egregiously vile decision to give every
confirmed memeber of FurryMuck a free pass to the con.
I ACCUSE:
Kevin Duane- who mas hallmarked himself as perhaps the greatest
degenerate within the fandom- a despicable porn merchant who has never
shirked from displaying and pushing his wares to children.
I ACCUSE:
Steve Martin, who has steadily produced an endless stream of
questionable pornographic treacle that has catered to every whim of the
unwanted elements within the fandom. This man is a true whore to the
dollar and the anithesis of everything that stands for artistic
integrity.
I ACCUSE:
Xydexx, Oral Rinse, and the endless ranks of subhuman filth who
have subordinated the truth and the good of this fandom to their own
twisted world view- a view in which nothing is held under the light of
scrutiny, and everything is permissable, as long as it serves their own
selfish needs. It is these people who have stood in defense of the
crimes perpetrated by those listed above, and dozens of others who
would pervert our fandom into a pool of purile and hubristic self-
gratification.
I ACCUSE:
Every collar-wearing, tail-strapped-to-the-ass degenerate who
turned what was once a respectable corner of sci fi fandom into a
virtual singles bar for the sexually dyfunctional. They are little
more than craven beasts, wallowing in their own excretia, and
questioning the "tolerance" of anyone who complains about the smell.
I ACCUSE:
The Nihilists and fence sitters who sat by and let this all
happen. A single word, a statement of principle, and a little courage
was all that it took- but they found themselves incapable of mustering
the will nor the backbone such an action required. They are truly the
most craven, the most despicable of them all.
The question is staring me in the face: do I give up? Do you
folks ENJOY this? Does having your work denegrated and your fandom
dragged through the mud make you HAPPY? Does the knowledge that you've
been made the laughing stock of fandom at large, and now, the national
media, fill you with a sense of fulfillment and pride?
If I have one flaw in my addled synapses, it's my propensity to
give a damn. In a world where each new day sees a new atrocity, in a
country where more than half the population can't bother to work up the
effort to vote, and living next to a city that's drowning in it's own
cultural and moral schizophrenia, I try to stay aloof- but it's a
sham. Deep down within me there are the words and memories of people
Like Martin Luther King, John Rabe, and a thousand others who stood up
against the inevitable, and truimphed. I don't see myself as anything
like their equals- such would be hubris on a biblical scale. But their
principles are something I shall always strive to emulate and
champion. In the face of the hatred and bile spewed at me by a
thousand knee-jerk lifestylers, and the machinations of demons like
Merlino, I cannot help but march doggedly on.
The gauntlet fell when Steve Carrell exposed you for what you are-
you didn't throw it- it slipped from your addled, palsied fingers. YOU
started this- remember that. Be certain that I will.
-T'ieh Pi Pu Kai.
Stand your ground, this is what we are fighting for-
for our spirit and laws and ways.
Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war
for heaven or hell, we shall not wait...
Shall I think of Honour as lies,
or lament it's aged, slow demise?
Shall I stand, as a total stranger
on this day, in this stone chamber?
-VNV Nation (Honour)
--
Buchanan 2000!
Nader 2000!
Make your vote count!
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Before you buy.
Doug Winger
[Large Snip]
> Deep down within me there are the words and memories of people
> Like Martin Luther King, John Rabe, and a thousand others who stood up
> against the inevitable, and truimphed.
They were fighting for basic human rights, the freedom of people, principles
of equality, an end to persecution and working to reshape the very foundations
of society into something just and fair.
You're fighting for a bloody fandom, which is nothing more than some people
sharing a small set of interests, and making it sound like it's some
world-shattering fight to the end against dread forces of evil bent upon
destroying the world. You're also forced to dredge deep into the past to work
up the proper outrage. I also think that your pulling up the name of King and
comparing your battle to his is an insult to his memory and work.
I will throw my opinion into this, and it's that you're so deep-down worried
and afraid that someone will point at you and say, "He's one of THEM!" and so
scared that people might think you a weirdo, a pervert, adnormal and outside
of decent society, you'd toss a Molotov cocktail into a crowded con just to
show them that, no, I'm NORMAL, dammit! I think the biggest fear driving you
to this extreme is that you're deathly afraid it might be you saying those
things about yourself.
Sorry, but I'll stay a nilhilistic filth-mongering fence sitter in this
matter, because the people that said you were taking this too seriously were
dead on. In my humble opinon, of course.
I do feel you'd do better to take some of that outrage and political
aspirations and find something that deserves it.
Later!
- Doug, Having A Time Here, Wish You Were Real
Farlo
>There he was- Kevin Duane,
>proudly displaying his filth to the prying cameras of comedy central.
Oh, no! Not on Comedy Central!
What will people think???
They might LAUGH!!!
>We must have the courage
>the mount the ivory tower,
Ewwww ... that image I did not need.
=P
>I ACCUSE:
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The list of his targets ends here.
I don't even make the list.
>Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war
... the puppies of purgatory ...
... the kittens of chaos ...
... Phil, prince of insufficient light ...
Someday this boy needs to get a hobby or something, you know?
--
Farlo "the ubiquitous"
Urban fey dragon
Do not stand in my way -
I will walk around you.
m>^_^<m
Smart Ass
> Excuse me- but this post deals with an event that happened a few
> weeks ago- the event being the airing of the "gay sci-fi con" segment
> on Comedy Central's "Daily Show." blahblahblah mew mew mew mew mew mew
> mew mew mew mew mew mew mew
Pathetic fellow. He has neither a lifestyle, or a life!
HEE HAW! and MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Akai
To the contrary, he is a professional artist and has published work. So
he does have a life and has contributed to the fandom and does have a
right to gripe; not to say that his words aren't a wee harsh.
--
-Akai
"Life is like nothing, because it is everything."
-William Golding
Cerulean
>you'd toss a Molotov cocktail into a crowded con just to
>show them that, no, I'm NORMAL, dammit!
You might mean that as a metaphor for his rhetoric, but after reading
Blumrich's post, which has a definite foaming-at-the-mouth quality, I
am willing to believe he would literally do that. He's off the end.
Advice to anyone who wants to wear a tail to a furry convetion: Eric
Blumrich could be attending, and he has inexplicably made it a symbol
of everything that puts him into a blind rage. You might be the first
to die. If you want to wear a tail, do so somewhere safe, like among
the general public, who will just think it's cute.
--
___vvz /( Cerulean = Kevin Pease http://cerulean.st/
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Random
himself should stand as a warning to new artists coming into the
fandom. His talent has been pissed away and wasted in this fandom and
see where he is? He's the kind of fellow who protests war by joining a
mob and burning down an army recruitment office. On top of that, he's
been more than happy about bragging about such mindless vandalism. And
now, he's gonna save furry. He can't even save himself.
In article <8tlj9b$u59$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <fka...@my-deja.com> wrote:
< Bit snipped>
> I told you so.
> Over two years ago, I posted my embryonic website to the collective
> joke known as the internet, with one of its core principles being the
> warning that the fandom that I had enjoyed for almost half my life was
> in mortal danger. I wrote an essay, entitled "What Is To Be Done",
> lamenting the degenrate elements which had infiltrated our fandom, and
> warning of the dire consequences to our fandom, should these elements
> continue in their ascendency.
A naive statement. The fandom was created by fetishists. The fandom
from the first organized convention on has been about sex with animals
(in real and imaginary forms). It's an 'adult' fandom and has always
been so. Get over it. And Blumrich HIMSELF told me that the neither he
nor the BFs were against spooge.
> I warned that if the world at large should encounter our fandom
> through these elements, the fandom would be irreperably damaged-
> tainted as a haven for the sexually degenerate. I warned that the
> proliferation of pornography depicted to the world a fandom aberrant
> and despicable.
The fandom was, is and always will be something anyone looking in on it
will find to be carnival of bestiality and other animalcentric fetishs.
Accept that and move on.
>
> This was followed almost a year later by Squeerat's "Manifesto"-
> a text which stated the facts of the matter far more bluntly and
> accurately than I could have. This document led to the formation of a
> core group with no ideology, no cohesive structure- other than the
> common desire to bring about a change in the fandom- an effort to bring
> the fandom back to it's roots- the art, the animation, the fiction, the
> wonderous joy that lights a child's eye when he sees Disney's "Robin
> Hood" for the first time, and the inspiration and groundbreaking
> innovation that brought Albedo, TMNT, and an entire rennaisance in the
> genre of Funny Animals to life.
The Burned Furs were a bunch of disgruntled furries who were just
looking for something to bitch about. The smarter members who were't
entrenched in the fandom realized the truth about it and left the BFs
and the Fandom entirely. Several of whom tired to help Blumrich to
leave, but alas he's hardcore furry.
> Noble goals- simple goals. Squeerat, I, and (as we found later)
> hundreds of others shared our deep sense of dissapointment that
> Lifestylers, Plushophiles, Bestialists, and their ilk had taken
> something we had held so dear, wiped their asses on it, and mounted the
> resulting mess on a flagpole for all to see. This was a theft not of
> property, or a simple fraudulent theft of ideas. This was a case of a
> group of people swaggering into a house that we and many other had
> built, taking over, and thrusting us to the rear, scornfully telling us
> that we were no longer needed, nor wanted. They took our home, turned
> it into a brothel, and spat insults at us when we objected.
Uh, the fetishists ARE the fandom. There is no real non-sexual part.
Oh, there are some smoke and mirrors to hide that fact like Yerf, but
most of the Yerf artists still draw the spooge and post it to other
furry archives. The most damning evidence against the fandom is the
existence of a movement to 'clean it up' and the fact they had to make
a special archive for 'clean' furry art.
> Of course, our rewards for our efforts were met with
> condemnation. We were called nazis, fascists- and those were the nice
> names they chose for us. On the other hand, nihilists like random
> (small r- he doesn't merit capitals), and rackety (ditto) said we were
> taking this all too seriously.
Doesn't 'merit' capitals? Eh? 'random' and 'Random' are two different
things. But then drunks are never good with language.
> But for two years, we pushed on as best we could. We started a
> webring, which became the second-largest in furry fandom. We took to
> whatever media was available to us- for the most part, we were
> restricted to the internet. We started mailing lists, newsgroups, and
> websites. At every turn, we were confronted with two facts: We were
> not alone, yet there were people who would stop at nothing to enforce
> their "open mindedness" and "tolerance" within the fandom, even if it
> meant destroying it. Their purile pursuit of selfish pleasure and self-
> gratification was more important, they maintained, than the efforts
> that I and literally thousands of others had put into this fandom.
Uh.. Those 'thousands' who put forth that effort were for the most part
the same fetishist you were railing against. They ARE the fandom. Hell,
the BFs are full of spoogers like MMM and even Rich Chandler hangs out
with them. The fact alone that someone like Chandler hob-nobs with them
PROVES they failed.
> We had great victories- we saw our opponents humbled and
> marginalized. When random tried posting our Burned Fur site to the
> Portal of Evil, it ended within mere days as the farce that it was.
> New anthro cons started cropping up that had rules regarding behavior
> and the display of adult art. Ou webring continues to grow, as do the
> ranks of our supporters.
You're an idiot, Blumrich. I didn't give shit to PoE. Someone named
'Pooperdoo' did. Oh, I posted to the forum, but I didn't give the BF
website to PoE. And exactly how did it end? Oh, wait. That's right.
Your brain has been addled by years of drug and alcohol abuse. You see,
everyday new featured sites are added to PoE, so the old featured sites
vanish off the main page, but are still in the archives. A simple
search on 'Burned Fur' finds it. You can view the forum about the
burned furs at
http://www.portalofevil.com/wc.dll?poe~showforum~000003295~0~PORTALOFEV.
Blumrich even posted his drunken ramblings there, so it's liable to
heat up.
>
> But we didn't go far enough, fast enough. Our opponents were so
> brazen, and so ubiquitous, that our efforts, restricted as they were to
> the internet and a few cons, were unable to maintain and thicken the
> dangerously thin veil that seperated our tainted fandom from public
> scrutiny. We saw that on The Daily Show. There he was- Kevin Duane,
> proudly displaying his filth to the prying cameras of comedy central.
> There they were- the artists (term used very loosely) who owed their
> lifeblood to the sick elements who had stolen our fandom- glibly
> humiliating both themselves and waving our fandom's worst shame to
> millions of households.
What the fuck kind of lifeless loser owes their 'lifeblood' to ANY
fandom? That's pathetic. Besides, the furry fandom is only about the
furry fethists. What they showed on the Daily Show was what anyone
would see at any con. They prolly see a lot worse online.
> To a certain extent, pinheads like rackety and random had a
> point- we weren't going far enough. We were pussyfooting around some
> of the largest issues behind the dire straits the fandom was in. We
> rarely went after the ringleaders- the few champions of the degeneracy
> that was at the core of the cancer that has been steadilly gnawing away
> at fandom since ConFurEnce 3.
Well, the fact they you yourself declared that spooge was okay
hamstrings your 'movement'. For the most part, many current bfs seem to
be spooge artists who only do heterosexual spooge. So, perhaps, the BFs
are just antigay spooge. Of course, all spooge has a definite
bestiality undertone. I'd go so far as to characterize it as softcore
bestiality.
> Well- in the wake of recent events, it has become clear that this
> will not do. We must acknowledge our bully pulpit, and take on the
> forces that would destroy our fandom by name. We must have the courage
> the mount the ivory tower, accept the uncomforatble mantle of
> authority, and state unequivocably our accusations against these foul
> excuses for human beings...
> These people need to be exposed for what they are- they must be
> hounded- persecuted, and driven back into the maggot-ridden depths from
> which they emerged. Until they are, we cannot hope to make any
> progress towards the rehabilitation of the fandom they so gleefully and
> selfishly destroyed.
That's like trying to rehabilitate Hustler or Penthouse. Furry art is
primarly spooge and the fandom is about the furry fetishs. If you
remove the fetishs, you'd have nothing.
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Mark Merlino- who masterminded the debacle that was ConFurEnce 3-
> advertised almost exclusively through Gay and Lesbian rescources.
> The "man" who came up with the egregiously vile decision to give every
> confirmed memeber of FurryMuck a free pass to the con.
Merlino organized the first CF which was the first real furry
convention. He set the tone for the whole fandom which was about fetish
sex.
>
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Kevin Duane- who mas hallmarked himself as perhaps the greatest
> degenerate within the fandom- a despicable porn merchant who has never
> shirked from displaying and pushing his wares to children.
He's pretty universally reviled within the fandom, strangely. Other
porn pushers like Blinkie and Winkler are better regarded. Gonna go
after them?
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Steve Martin, who has steadily produced an endless stream of
> questionable pornographic treacle that has catered to every whim of the
> unwanted elements within the fandom. This man is a true whore to the
> dollar and the anithesis of everything that stands for artistic
> integrity.
Why single him out? He's but one spooger amoung thousands.
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Xydexx, Oral Rinse, and the endless ranks of subhuman filth who
> have subordinated the truth and the good of this fandom to their own
> twisted world view- a view in which nothing is held under the light of
> scrutiny, and everything is permissable, as long as it serves their own
> selfish needs. It is these people who have stood in defense of the
> crimes perpetrated by those listed above, and dozens of others who
> would pervert our fandom into a pool of purile and hubristic self-
> gratification.
>
Xydexx is one amoung the majority of the fandom. Sure, he's a more
visible target, but he's by no means the exception. He's the rule.
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Every collar-wearing, tail-strapped-to-the-ass degenerate who
> turned what was once a respectable corner of sci fi fandom into a
> virtual singles bar for the sexually dyfunctional. They are little
> more than craven beasts, wallowing in their own excretia, and
> questioning the "tolerance" of anyone who complains about the smell.
That'd be the furry rankinfile, I think. You'd have as much luck trying
to get Hugh Hefner to change his lifestyle as get the furry fandom to
change its collective lifestyle.
> I ACCUSE:
>
> The Nihilists and fence sitters who sat by and let this all
> happen. A single word, a statement of principle, and a little courage
> was all that it took- but they found themselves incapable of mustering
> the will nor the backbone such an action required. They are truly the
> most craven, the most despicable of them all.
You mean me? Well, fuck you, too. I'm not a part of the furry fandom. I
never was. I'm just someone who happened by to jeer at the freaks.
Until you summoned me back to AFF with my name, I'd pretty much quit
jeering, however. But TRY to get it thru your alcohol-fortified thick
head that the fandom is just a collection of associated fetiths and not
something you can 'fix'.
> The question is staring me in the face: do I give up? Do you
> folks ENJOY this? Does having your work denegrated and your fandom
> dragged through the mud make you HAPPY? Does the knowledge that you've
> been made the laughing stock of fandom at large, and now, the national
> media, fill you with a sense of fulfillment and pride?
Their work is what Kevin Duane was displaying. And they SHOULD be a
national laughing stock. It's what they've earned with their sick
little fetishes. If you're in with them, Blumrich, as you sure seem to
be, you deserve being laughed even more because you're a drunken naive
fool.
> If I have one flaw in my addled synapses, it's my propensity to
> give a damn. In a world where each new day sees a new atrocity, in a
> country where more than half the population can't bother to work up the
> effort to vote, and living next to a city that's drowning in it's own
> cultural and moral schizophrenia, I try to stay aloof- but it's a
> sham. Deep down within me there are the words and memories of people
> Like Martin Luther King, John Rabe, and a thousand others who stood up
> against the inevitable, and truimphed. I don't see myself as anything
> like their equals- such would be hubris on a biblical scale. But their
> principles are something I shall always strive to emulate and
> champion. In the face of the hatred and bile spewed at me by a
> thousand knee-jerk lifestylers, and the machinations of demons like
> Merlino, I cannot help but march doggedly on.
Damn right you've a flaw in your addled synapeses. You're an alcoholic.
And instead of getting treatment for that, you just rail against a
fandom which is happy being about fetishs. Don't you also suffer from
depression? Have you sought treatment for that? Don't you realize that
alcohol makes depression WORSE? You can't even take care of yourself
and your own problems, Blumrich. How the fuck do you think you're gonna
reform an adult fandom? You might as well try to flatten the Rocky
Mountains with a small rockhammer. How dare you even mention those men?
You cheapen them and their work by even hinting a similarity with your
idiotic and hopelessly stupid 'movement and theirs.
> The gauntlet fell when Steve Carrell exposed you for what you are-
> you didn't throw it- it slipped from your addled, palsied fingers. YOU
> started this- remember that. Be certain that I will.
They sure did, Blumrich. They started the furry fandom. They made it a
place where people who have fetishes based on animals can come and be
safe. You'd be best served by joining AA and seeking help for your
depression instead of making an ass of yourself by trying to fix
something which isn't broken. It's just not what your alcohol and drug
ruined mind thinks it is.
--Random
ilr
How's life goin for ya?
Yesterday I thought to myself, "Ya know, something's missing here.
Must be that crazy Mark Loggins kid. Things just ain't as funky-fresh
around here without him. *sigh* I miss him. His wonderful wit, never-ending
love and patients, and creamy white thighs" =)
Ah....
M e m o r i e s ...... ...Like the color of my mind....
-Ilr
Bahumat
Blumrich. Neither of those a bad thing. But this truly slips into
lunacy.
Bahumat
Tatter_D
Japan, it's the people who "give a damn" who cause the most damage.
The people who care enough about their religion that they're willing
to die for it, the people who care enough about their tribe that
they're willing to slaughter their enemy's babies to defend it, the
people who are so determined to fulfill a prophecy that they will
happily drop nerve gas bombs to bring it about... these are the people
that need to be watched closely. They may claim to be interested in
the people's salvation, but ultimately all they care about is
themselves, and they will make any sacrifice - including your life -
for their so-called "greater good."
Hundreds of Americans have died, in Jonestown, Waco, Oklahoma City,
and most recently, on the U.S.S. Cole, all at the hands of people who
"give a damn." Think about it.
Brian O'connell
"Tatter_D" <n...@spam.please> wrote in message news:39fea042.37038850@news...
<snippity>
> Hundreds of Americans have died, in Jonestown, Waco, Oklahoma City,
> and most recently, on the U.S.S. Cole, all at the hands of people who
> "give a damn." Think about it.
Erm... The folks who died at Waco did so at the hands of the FBI/ATF, as
we all know, they never give a fuck... And Jonestown was mass suicide,
technically those guys died at their own hands...;)
Mike & Carole
projects I should be working on, but nontheless here I am. There are some
things that should be addressed immediately, instead of waiting for a
convenient time. In my opinion, this is one of those subjects.
Hi Eric. Didn't know it was you until someone replied.
Now, I've been very noncommittal regarding the Burned Furs, not really
understanding what they're for, and not getting involved.
But I do not like to see my friends knocked around. And (hold the trumpets)
FOR THE FIRST TIME I AGREE WITH RANDOM ON SOMETHING.
First, from your post:
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Mark Merlino- who masterminded the debacle that was ConFurEnce 3-
> advertised almost exclusively through Gay and Lesbian rescources.
> The "man" who came up with the egregiously vile decision to give every
> confirmed memeber of FurryMuck a free pass to the con.
Now let's see what Random (notice I spelled his name with a capital letter.
Every man deserves respect.)
> Merlino organized the first CF which was the first real furry
> convention.
Basically our whole fandom owes it's organized existance to people like
Mark, Steve Gallacci, Marc Schirmeister, Jim Groat and others. Mark did a
thankless and hated job for many years, with Confurence.
I hope he is now enjoying his retirement from running it. I learned from
his experiences that if anyone asked me to organize a furry con and run it,
I should run like hell.
Steve Martin I do not know very well. He's a talented artist, but not
really worthy of singling out as a "who has steadily produced an endless
stream of questionable pornographic treacle that has catered to every whim
of the unwanted elements within the fandom. This man is a true whore to the
dollar and the anithesis of everything that stands for artistic integrity."
Actually that describes most every dealer in the dealer's room. You had a
table at Anthrocon as I recall.
> " Kevin Duane- who mas hallmarked himself as perhaps the greatest
>degenerate within the fandom- a despicable porn merchant who has never
>shirked from displaying and pushing his wares to children."
Now, believe it or not, we like Kevin Duane. Granted, we've never had a
fight with him. We've never sat next to him at a con, although we have sat
across from him and have asked him to tone down language - which he did.
Our tables are next to his at FurtherConFusion this year. We'll see how it
goes. We've never had balloons and blinking lights going at us from his
booth. If we did, we would have no hesitation in asking him to turn them
off because blinking lights are one of the things that set off Carole's
migraines.
By the same token, when we hear stories about his behavior from Kage, or
others, we don't contradict them, because we weren't there.
But one thing I do know. Or, in fact, Carole does.
She and Kevin were at tables in the lobby because Duckon had made a mistake.
They told Carole that she couldn't have a table because she wasn't selling
her own material...even though we were publishing at that time. "Someone"
had NOT told them that she was a writer and publisher, "Someone" had told
them that she was a dealer only. It was finally straightened out and they
each were allowed to have a small table under the stairway. He was being
circumspect at that point, making sure his video screen wasn't visible when
children and mundanes were around. He had also been circumspect in the
lobby, and had toned down language and volume when politely asked to by
Carole.
"Someone" (and we won't say who) tried to get him ejected for showing Kiddie
Porn.
Now if he does that kind of stuff, I've never even heard it rumored. He
wasn't at that time, and was definitely innocent of the charge.
Carole stood up and went to bat for him. She has never regretted it and I
stand behind her. She has a Master's Degree in Educational Media and
Library Science, and had a quite interesting discussion with the lady who
was running that section of the con - who was also a librarian - and the
several security guards who accompanied her over copyright, infringement,
publisher's rights, etc. One of the security guards did buy a CD and later
told her that he found no evidence of kiddie porn on it. He said that he
could not see how any of this had even started on the basis of that CD.
Besides, compared to some of the stuff we've seen at REGULAR cons, Kevin is
Mister Rogers, or at least lives in his neighborhood.
I don't know or am not familiar with many of the other people you accuse.
But if Mark, Kevin and Steve are pornographers you better accuse Antarctic,
Mu, Radio, Arclight, United and SFA too. As well as most of the attendees
at furrycons.
<But their
> principles are something I shall always strive to emulate and
> champion. In the face of the hatred and bile spewed at me by a
> thousand knee-jerk lifestylers, and the machinations of demons like
> Merlino, I cannot help but march doggedly on.
Let's take a look at something that happened at Anthrocon this year. As you
and most everyone knows, I was going up to people I barely knew and giving
them a sheet about IN THE ZONE. If there's a nobler cause to get involved
in in furrydom lately, I don't know it.
Almost EVERYONE I talked to and a LOT I didn't came through. You were one of
the ones that promised to help (and Daphne Lage and Jose Calderon were there
to see it) and you were one of the ones that didn't.
Now the only person I WAS upset about regarding their absence was Reed
Waller. He doesn't like me, and I'm okay with that. But a lot of the names
in IN THE ZONE were in his TWO cancer benefit books, like Stan Sakai and
others. In my opinion, he OWED it back to the fandom which had supported
him to help someone else with cancer, since doing a contribution was not
hazardous to his health. Several emails received no response, after he
agreed to be in the book.
Reed, if you're reading this, I regard your action, or rather lack of
action, as very low.
But Eric, saying you will do all you can to help our fandom, and then
agreeing to be in this cancer benefit book to help someone who I have never
met, but have heard that he has no enemies, and then reneging while still
praising your principles to the sky....
Well, it goes right along with the political ads we're being flooded with.
Empty promises.
Your ideals are lofty. But you must act on them responsibly, not just
pontificate.
Mike and Carole
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
>[Trick Or Treat!]
Oh, what a delightful little troll costume! Did you make it yourself?
*drops a few Snickers bars into Eric's Trick or Treat bag*
There ya go. Run along now. Watch out for cars.
Hope everyone has a safe and happy Halloween. -:)
--
_________________________________________________
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Farlo
>...Like the color of my mind....
Creamy white? =)
--
Farlo
Farlo
>And Jonestown was mass suicide,
>technically those guys died at their own hands...;)
There where goons with machine guns ... it was drink tainted Kool Aid or
risk a couple dozen bullets. Not much of a choice.
Farlo
>Eric Blumrich wrote:
>>[Trick Or Treat!]
>
> Oh, what a delightful little troll costume! Did you make it yourself?
Frankly, he did. =)
> Hope everyone has a safe and happy Halloween. -:)
Happy Halloween!! =D
Richard de Wylfin
(Farlo) wrote:
> Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> >And Jonestown was mass suicide,
> >technically those guys died at their own hands...;)
>
> There where goons with machine guns ... it was drink tainted Kool Aid or
> risk a couple dozen bullets. Not much of a choice.
Exactly. A great many of those who died at Jonestown were small
children who were much too young to understand what was going on.
A big percentage of the "mass suicide" was really murder.
Don't want Bush elected? See http://www.nadertrader.com
mudd...@aol.com
Try decaf.
.
Elf Sternberg
>These are MY statements, reflecting MY views.
And they are a cheap and trite yawn, Eric. You're losing it.
And your rant ('Begin transmission'-- gack. What, were you raised on
a steady diet of bad s/f and bile?) is ineffective.
YOU are no longer needed here, not in your current guise.
Move along. There's nothing to see here.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.halcyon.com/elf/
As he lay dozing beside me, a little voice said, "Relax. You're not the
first doctor to sleep with a patient." Then another little voice said,
"But Rebecca, you're a veterinarian."
Doodles
> Excuse me-
Not bloody likely, pissface.
You lost it, Eric, about a hundred miles back.
> Nader 2000!
> Make your vote count!
Only part of your screed worth keeping...
ilr
<mudd...@aol.com> wrote in message news:83qtvsg7b6ohs4q61...@4ax.com...
> .
>
>
> Try decaf.
>
They make decaffeinated Crack/Cocaine now?
C.C. Cooper
Until I see some carpenter's son with a crown of thorns nailed to the
cross at some con for preaching the virtues of clean art, I really can't
take any of this THAT seriously.
All the people dying in this world for things they believe in...
Whether it be the right to believe certian concepts, or the right to
oppress others for what they believe.
Am I supposed to believe that whether my pencil draws a Disney-esque
action scene, or waste half a lead on 6 pages to draw one giant phallus
(Appologies to Mr. Winger;) is somehow going to end world hunger? End
the violence in the Middle East maybe?
Bullshit.
I like to draw, as does every artist who ever picked up a pen. What I
draw, which will be 99% tame, is my choice to make and mine alone.
I've read the BF's 'Mission Statement' and manefesto before... There
are a few things that strike me as irritating. Most obviously is this
notion that somehow less talented artists who draw spooge are just
perveted fanboys... While folks on par with Doug and Nakira are somehow
forced into it. As if talent somehow made you pure, and only the whips
and chains of grabbing fanboys with too much cash to burn keeps pulling
more and more of them into the depths of depravity and waste.
Oh heavens, get me a vial of holy water to fend them off
Does this also mean that just because I draw anthro now and then that
I'm somehow in the spooge file, just by association? I damn well hope
not. Everyone deserves to be judged on their own skill and content by
EACH PERSON VIEWING THEIR WORK. No one man, or small group, can decide
what everyone else should and shouldn't like. So please, stop.
I think more people need to worry less about what's on everyone
else's sketchbook and take more pride in whats on their own. You can
only create with your own hands, try and control everyone else's too and
you cheapen your own integrity.
This other notion that bugs me... Lets see if I can find the quote.
> Their purile pursuit of selfish pleasure and self-
gratification was more important, they maintained, than the efforts
that I and literally thousands of others had put into this fandom.
You mean to tell me somewhere there's at least 2000+ artists, writers
and fans still steamed about the introduction of smut into the works?
I'd say much less. You can't just pull random numbers out of the air and
call them proven statistics. 74.3% of all people know that.
Look, it seems to me people really just want to stick to their
corner. They pick their favorite artists and weed through the stuff they
don't want. Funny how these programs even come with filters to do just
that.
I'm new to all this. Still just poking around to see what all of you
are like and make sure I won't get creamed by an obsesive fan base. I
can't say my fears are abated, though you haven't run me off screaming
into the night yet.
Take this advice. Ask yourself if maybe you aren't in a little too
deep? Maybe some of you have forgotten that this all started out as a
quirky hobby? There will always be extremists and elitists on the
various political ends of every issue... Don't be one of them.
Raise your hand if you're still in this for fun!
Well, anyway... Dunno who I'm even talking to. To those who read this
far I'm probably preaching to the converted.
BTW, to artists like Doug and Nakira... I have a lot of respect for
your work even when I kind of shrug at the content. No hard feelings. :)
I'm sure your used to being made into people's examples by now, I just
hope I did so in a positive light.
Until the next rant...
C.C.Cooper
Don Sanders
i...@rof.net says...
Actually, this may sound strange, but I agree with
Random this time, despite the many times he
dragged me through the coals. (in a sense
refreshing, it make me think.) Oh well, time to
crawl back under my rock and wait out the coming
storm which is the current state of the fandom.
--
Don Sanders.
Dsan Tsan on #furry of Yiffnet
RoadKill Fur (Sun baked sorta but not burned!)
Currently Retired Amateur Artist at Roll Yer Own
Graphics
http://www.dreamscape.com/dsand101/dsan.htm
my furry page) Email
dsan...@future.dreamscape.com
My Directory on Velar, (or Vile-ar to some):
http://velar.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Don-
Sanders/
Mike & Carole
things that should be addressed immediately, instead of waiting for a
convenient time. In my opinion, this is one of those subjects.
Hi Eric. Didn't know it was you until someone replied.
Now, I've been very noncommittal regarding the Burned Furs, not really
understanding what they're for, and not getting involved.
But I do not like to see my friends knocked around. And (hold the trumpets)
FOR THE FIRST TIME I AGREE WITH RANDOM ON SOMETHING.
First, from your post:
> I ACCUSE:
>
> Mark Merlino- who masterminded the debacle that was ConFurEnce 3-
> advertised almost exclusively through Gay and Lesbian rescources.
> The "man" who came up with the egregiously vile decision to give every
> confirmed memeber of FurryMuck a free pass to the con.
Now let's see what Random (notice I spelled his name with a capital letter.
Every man deserves respect.)
> Merlino organized the first CF which was the first real furry
> convention.
Basically our whole fandom owes it's organized existance to people like
Mark, Steve Gallacci, Marc Schirmeister, Jim Groat and others. Mark did a
thankless and hated job for many years, with Confurence.
I hope he is now enjoying his retirement from running it. I learned from
his experiences that if anyone asked me to organize a furry con and run it,
I should run like hell.
Steve Martin I do not know very well. He's a talented artist, but not
really worthy of singling out as a "who has steadily produced an endless
stream of questionable pornographic treacle that has catered to every whim
of the unwanted elements within the fandom. This man is a true whore to the
dollar and the anithesis of everything that stands for artistic integrity."
Actually that describes most every dealer in the dealer's room. You had a
table at Anthrocon as I recall.
> " Kevin Duane- who mas hallmarked himself as perhaps the greatest
>degenerate within the fandom- a despicable porn merchant who has never
>shirked from displaying and pushing his wares to children."
Now, believe it or not, we like Kevin Duane. Granted, we've never had a
<But their
> principles are something I shall always strive to emulate and
> champion. In the face of the hatred and bile spewed at me by a
> thousand knee-jerk lifestylers, and the machinations of demons like
> Merlino, I cannot help but march doggedly on.
Let's take a look at something that happened at Anthrocon this year. As you
Al Goldman
<Snip - everything>
consider:
1) Many new furry cons.
2) Major rise in public decorum at furry cons
3) More discreet access, without banning, constitutionally protected adult
material.
4) Plenty of G rated material, for those who want it.
5) Inability of fandom based groups to force there agenda on the fandom.
6) Inability of media exposure to damage the fandom since everything we do is
legal.
We never had it so good - it's a great time to be a furry!
Al Goldman
Laws are sand, Customs are rock. Laws can be evaded and punishment excaped, but
an openly transgressed custom brings sure punishement.
- Mark Twain
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
> Happy Halloween!! =D
Happy howwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwlloween! -:D
> Do not stand in my way -
> I will walk around you.
-;)
--
_________________________________________________
Karl Xydexx Jorgensen / Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
ilr
> FOR THE FIRST TIME I AGREE WITH RANDOM ON SOMETHING.
>
Well I sure as hell know it wasn't this statement:
Rust
> Actually, this may sound strange, but I agree with
> Random this time, despite the many times he
> dragged me through the coals. (in a sense
> refreshing, it make me think.) Oh well, time to
> crawl back under my rock and wait out the coming
> storm which is the current state of the fandom.
It was cruelly put in places, but very astute.
-Rust
--
We are the instruments of creation - what we dream, is.
Remove ".netspam" from my address to reply
Rust
>
> In article <8tlj9b$u59$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, fka...@my-deja.com writes:
>
> <Snip - everything>
>
> consider:
>
> 1) Many new furry cons.
> 2) Major rise in public decorum at furry cons
> 3) More discreet access, without banning, constitutionally protected adult
> material.
> 4) Plenty of G rated material, for those who want it.
> 5) Inability of fandom based groups to force there agenda on the fandom.
> 6) Inability of media exposure to damage the fandom since everything we do is
> legal.
>
> We never had it so good - it's a great time to be a furry!
Damn, just when I had a good negative mindset going.
Kyle L. Webb
<fka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8tlj9b$u59$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>
> Excuse me
*Truly excellent example of self inflicted foot wound deleted*
Keep up the good work, Eric.
Kyle L. Webb
Hartree Fox on yiffnet
Mike & Carole
ilr <i...@rof.net> wrote in message news:8tntd7$vjc$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
You're right. The only part we agreed on was that Mark Merlino started
Confurence.
Mike
anarc...@my-deja.com
Par-dessus il y a deux ans, j'ai posté mon website embryonnaire à
la plaisanterie collective sue comme le internet, avec celui de ses
principes de noyau est l'avertissement qui les poissons que j'avais
apprécié pour presque demi ma vie était dans le danger mortel. J'ai écrit
un essai, autorisé "que que Devrait Etre Fait", lamenter les éléments
poopi-caca qui avaient infiltrated notre chevre, et l'avertissement des
conséquences de dire à notre nez, devoir ces éléments continuent dans
leur ascendency. Jerry Lewis.
J'ai averti que si le monde à grand devrait rencontrer notre
chevalle par ces éléments, le fromage serait irreperably endommagé- bâti
comme un eu pour le sexuellement dégénéré comme les garçon dans l’eau
chaude. J'ai averti que le proliferation de portopotty a peint au monde
de la fondue aberrante et despicable. Milton Berle.
Ceci a été presque suivi une année plus tard par Queerast
"Manifesto"- un texte qui a déclaré les faits de la question loin plus
sans ménagements et précisément que je pourrais avoir. Ce document mené à
la formation d'un groupe de noyau avec aucune idée, aucune structure
cohésive- autrement que le désir commun à provoque un changement dans la
oreille- un effort à rapporte le pomme de terre à il est des racines-
l'art, l'animation, la friction, la joie de wonderous qui allume un oeil
de l'enfant quand il voit Deniro "Robin des bois" tomber le sien halète
pour la première fois, et l'innovation d'inspiration et
groundbreakingCela a apporté Libido, SCAG, et un rennaisance entier dans
le genre d'Animaux Drôles et delicious à la vie. Bob Hope.
Les butts nobles- les butts simples. Queerast, je, et (beacoup de
dwarves et buerre) les centaines d'autres ont partagé notre sens profond
de dissapointment qui Lifesavers, Popcorn, Butterfinger, et leur ilk
avaient pris quelque chose que nous avions tenu si cher, a essuyé leur
oeufs, et a monté dessus les oeufs résultant sur un frappacino pour tout
la monde! Ceci était un vol pas des oeufs, ou un vol de fraudulent simple
de la fromage. Ceci était un cas d'un groupe de swaggering de gens dans
une poisson qui nous et beaucoup d'autre avait construit, prendre par-
dessus, et pousser nous à l'arrière, méprisamment dire nous que nous
étions non plus longs nécessaires, ni voulus. Ils ont pris notre maison,
le tourné dans un Howard Johnsons, et les insultes de demi-guêtre à nous
quand nous nous sommes opposés leur pommplemousses. Jim Nabors.
Bien sûr, nos récompenses pour nos efforts ont été retrouvé le miel.
Nous avons été appelés zombi, figuier- et ceux-là étaient les noms
agréables qu'ils ont choisis pour nous. D'autre part, nihilists comme
fait au hasard (petit r- il ne mérite pas de capitale), et raquettement
(encore) a dit que nous ceci prenions tout trop cereal. e.e. cummings.
Mais pour deux années, encore et encore et encore nous avons poussé
sur comme mieux nous pouvons. Nous avons commencé une orgie, qui est
devenu le plus deuxième-grand dans ma culotte. Nous avons pris à quoi que
le presse était disponible à nous- pour la plupart, nous avons été
limités au internet. Nous avons commencé mailing énumère, newsgroups, et
websites. A chaque virage, nous avons été confrontés avec deux faits:
Nous n'étions pas seul, pourtant il y avait des gens qui ne reculerait
devant rien à applique leur "ouvre tétement" et la "tolérance" dans ma
culotte, même s'il a signifié détruire il. Leur poursuite de purile de
plaisir égoïste et soi- gratification était plus important, ils ont
maintenu, que les efforts qui je et littéralement milliers d'autres
avaient mis dans leur pantalons. Leona Helmsley.
Nous avons eu de grandes voitures- nous avons mange les têtes des
enfants. Quand fait au hasard a essayé de poster notre A Brûlé le site de
Fourrure au Portal de Diabolique, il a terminé dans les simples jours
comme mes temps dans la ly