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Ben Bruin

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8071

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Two rules:
1)never stand behind a cow......


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Farlo

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Ben Bruin wrote:

> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8071
>

Gee, a BLACK and RED page targeted at Zoophiles and the archenemies of the
Zoos, the beastialists. It's part of the "Burned Fur" web ring.
Surprise, surprise, surprise. =P

(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)

Check it out:
"FAASA does not condone or encourage harassment and/or violence towards the
individuals in question". Uh huh.

... yet ...

"Furries Against Animal Sexual Abuse is a grassroots organization dedicated
to the removal of bestialists and zoophiles from Furry Fandom."

So, "Harassment" is out, but "Discrimination and Persecution" are A-okay
for all budding hatemo- er, FAASA members.

Sign up now! Do it today! Especially before we come for YOU!![1]

--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon

"Yes, my e-mail address is valid. It just doesn't look valid."

[1] Sooner or later they WILL.

PS
Hey, I have a great idea - i'll join FAASA, and hunt witc- er, "those
damned Zoophiles", too. Yeah, it'll be fun. I sense a disturbance in the
force ... must be a Zoophile. Out, damned Zoos! I hunt for you in the
safety of my own backyard!! Fear my "Righteous Wrath(tm)" and my "Bloody
Sword of Moral Judgements". Truth is my Shield, yea, verily as I slam it
into the ground many times AWAY from me ... you can run but you cannot
hide. Saint McCarthy is my guiding light, Salem my heritage, and none
shall stay my bloody lunacy! Woohoo!

"Onward bloody soldiers, marching off to war,
bloody bloody warriors, come to judgements' call,
might is our right, and our savior burning bright,
just like the torches we hold for things to set alight ..."

(Okay, i'm no poet, but hey - gotta have some fun)

Today's "Suspected Zoophile" is ...*drumroll* ... ": <insert victim here>

Jim Lee Jr.

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Farlo wrote in message <8E2B61F91far...@news.fysh.org>...

>
>Gee, a BLACK and RED page targeted at Zoophiles and the archenemies of the
>Zoos, the beastialists. It's part of the "Burned Fur" web ring.
>Surprise, surprise, surprise. =P


So what's your point, Farlo? Got a problem with it?

>(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)


Again, what's your point?

>Check it out:
>"FAASA does not condone or encourage harassment and/or violence towards the
>individuals in question". Uh huh.
>
>... yet ...

I don't think so, Farlo..

>"Furries Against Animal Sexual Abuse is a grassroots organization dedicated
>to the removal of bestialists and zoophiles from Furry Fandom."
>
>So, "Harassment" is out, but "Discrimination and Persecution" are A-okay
>for all budding hatemo- er, FAASA members.
>
>Sign up now! Do it today! Especially before we come for YOU!![1]
>
>--
>Farlo
>Urban fey dragon
>
>"Yes, my e-mail address is valid. It just doesn't look valid."
>
>[1] Sooner or later they WILL.
>
>PS
>Hey, I have a great idea - i'll join FAASA, and hunt witc- er, "those
>damned Zoophiles", too. Yeah, it'll be fun. I sense a disturbance in the
>force ... must be a Zoophile. Out, damned Zoos! I hunt for you in the
>safety of my own backyard!! Fear my "Righteous Wrath(tm)" and my "Bloody
>Sword of Moral Judgements". Truth is my Shield, yea, verily as I slam it
>into the ground many times AWAY from me ... you can run but you cannot
>hide. Saint McCarthy is my guiding light, Salem my heritage, and none
>shall stay my bloody lunacy! Woohoo!
>
>"Onward bloody soldiers, marching off to war,
>bloody bloody warriors, come to judgements' call,
>might is our right, and our savior burning bright,
>just like the torches we hold for things to set alight ..."

>(Okay, i'm no poet, but hey - gotta have some fun)


No, Farlo, it's called 'upholding decency and the laws of the land;'
bestiality is illegal in many states and other countries, whether you like
it or not. Keep the perversions behind closed doors; if you admit your
pervs, be prepared to take the heat.

Jim Lee Jr.

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Ben Bruin wrote in message <7prnjn$573$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8071
>
>--
>Two rules:
>1)never stand behind a cow......
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Mark me as a supporter too.

Jim

Farlo

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Jim Lee Jr. wrote:

>So what's your point, Farlo? Got a problem with it?

Why, yes. Maybe you noticed?

>>(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)
>
>Again, what's your point?

Oh, maybe that lack of love for your fellow man is against the fellowship
of mankind and contrary to the principles that the son of God tried to
instill in every one of us by his example.

Don't mind me, i'm just a nobody.

=)

>>Check it out:
>>"FAASA does not condone or encourage harassment and/or violence towards
>>the individuals in question". Uh huh.
>>
>>... yet ...
>
>I don't think so, Farlo..

You don't think that is what the page said?
I quoted it direct.

Will somebody please hand Jim Lee Jr the page link,
and while they're at it, lend him a clue??

>No, Farlo, it's called 'upholding decency and the laws of the land;'

Jim Lee, the only law you respect is the law of the Jungle. Welcome to
the jungle, we got fun and games, you can have anything you want ...

>bestiality is illegal in many states and other countries, whether you
>like it or not.

Bestiality is legal in many states and other countries, whether *you*
like it or not. You can marry a goat in ... ah, forget it. =D

>Keep the perversions behind closed doors; if you admit your
>pervs, be prepared to take the heat.

I am not a perv, but I play one on Tv.

Does anyone remember this oh-so-familiar flamewar?
Will the AFF community gather together and stop this scourge, or does
everyone really, really want to has it through *one ... more ... time*???

Farlo

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Jim Lee Jr. wrote:

>Ben Bruin wrote in message <7prnjn$573$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.

>>Mark me as a supporter too.
>
> Jim

Jimmy, your mark is a ... hey, here's a question: what are the devout tools
of Satan wearing these days? Not to imply that Jim Lee Jr is a tool of
Satan, I am just curious.

Kai Robinson

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Farlo wrote in message <8E2B73641far...@news.fysh.org>...

>Does anyone remember this oh-so-familiar flamewar?
>Will the AFF community gather together and stop this scourge, or does
>everyone really, really want to has it through *one ... more ... time*???

I sure as hell don't. The fandom has so much better to offer.


Jim Lee Jr.

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Farlo wrote in message <8E2B73641far...@news.fysh.org>...

>>>(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)

Love does not include toleration of immoral behavior; it tries to correct it
to moral behavior.

The page is not meant to be touchy feely, it is meant to bring bestiality
into open, to show it up to be the perversion it is.

>Oh, maybe that lack of love for your fellow man is against the fellowship
>of mankind and contrary to the principles that the son of God tried to
>instill in every one of us by his example.

Sorry, it is called 'loving the person and hating the sin.'

>Don't mind me, i'm just a nobody.

That's your problem, not mine.

>>>Check it out:
>>>"FAASA does not condone or encourage harassment and/or violence towards
>>>the individuals in question". Uh huh.
>>>
>>>... yet ...

>You don't think that is what the page said?
>I quoted it direct.


Yes, I read the page, violence is condemned.

>Will somebody please hand Jim Lee Jr the page link,
>and while they're at it, lend him a clue??

I already have a clue, and I have the page's link, thank you very much.

>Jim Lee, the only law you respect is the law of the Jungle. Welcome to
>the jungle, we got fun and games, you can have anything you want ...


I respect God's laws, and the laws of nature; it is unnatural for humans to
yiff animals; animals do not consent and cannot consent to sex with humans.
Read Leviticus 18, which covers bestiality, fornication, and incest; they
are all perversions, whether anyone likes it or not.

Just because we are in the age of grace does not nullify God's moral laws,
there will be an accounting on the last day, when everyone gives an account
to God. cf Jude 5-7 and Revelation 17, 18 and 20.
God will judge sin and perversion, whether one likes or not.

>Bestiality is legal in many states and other countries, whether *you*
>like it or not. You can marry a goat in ... ah, forget it. =D

Does that mean YOU like it, Farlo? Just because bestiality is legal does not
mean it is moral and permissible.

>Does anyone remember this oh-so-familiar flamewar?
>Will the AFF community gather together and stop this scourge, or does
>everyone really, really want to has it through *one ... more ... time*???

What's the matter, too hot for you? If the pervs were not so out and proud
about the fetishes and broadcast them for all to hear, there would not be
flamewars. Mortimer Snerd can figure that one out.

Jim Lee Jr.

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ilr

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Ben Bruin <lonely...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7prnjn$573$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8071
>


Any other Mech fan or BattleTech'er would agree with me, it sounds
too much like our beloved FASA corporation. Find some other
title you unoriginal bastards.

Here, Try these instead:

WHZUP === We Hate Zoo's and Ugly Pervs
DBK === Don't Be Knotty
GHDH === God Hates Doggy Humpers
NIMFYFOC === Not In My Fandom You Fuckmonkeys On Crack!
FFF === the Flu Flux Fan
INYISS === I'm Normal, Your Illegal in Several States
IAYFMLAU === It's All Your Fault Mundanes Laugh At Us.
DAG === Destroy Artifacts of Greece!
TMMPTMTGA === They Make My Pants Tight, Make Them Go Away!
FAP === Furry Art Police
NAMBYPAMBLA === National AntiZoo Members Brown-nosing Ye Political American
Majority By Loathing Animal-sex
BFII === Burned Furs II


:]
--- i l r

The Luprha'nite

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Ben Bruin wrote:

> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8071
>

> --
> Two rules:
> 1)never stand behind a cow......

Mark yourself up for a public hazing,
Mark yourself up for a public torment,
Mark yourself up for a public bulls-eye,
Mark yourself up for a public asshole,
Mark yourself up for a public zealot,

Need I go on?

You all REALLY need to find a better hobby in furry, oh.. thats right..
it is a hobby. I think its a little to fucked up for billy and sally to play
in anymore.

It's the 90's, god is dead, no one cares, and if there is a hell, its furry and
I am gonna see you there!!

Nyahh!


--
The Luphra'nite

We should police ourselves, as we are our own best censors.

Exeperience and talent are NO excuse for blatent and utter
stupidity.

The Luprha'nite

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"Jim Lee Jr." wrote:

> No, Farlo, it's called 'upholding decency and the laws of the land;'

> bestiality is illegal in many states and other countries, whether you like

> it or not. Keep the perversions behind closed doors; if you admit your


> pervs, be prepared to take the heat.

Stupidity, Religion, and someone in depends laws more like it.

I also remember a part in the bible where god said to the extent of not to hurt
animals, not to feed upon them, then when the flood took place he said eat em.
? Okay.. we got a problem here.

Also, ALOT and I mean ALOT of our LAWS and the like are based in religion
remember that, and religion and government is fucked up. I don't care about
your oppinions on this, unless your a pinhead you can see that one. Why take
this crap at vace value? Want to be another conforming twit in mainstream, be a
bit of cattle to eat die and sleep by the sytem.

Perversions are only viewed by someon who has morality or was taught
differntly. I SERIOUSLY can't wait till someday humans are visted by another
culture, alien or what not, I will die laughign my ass of when its a furry type
race or something that enslaves mankind for sexual prisononers, then what you
going to do? Call it humanlity?

*SNICKER RANT RAVE*

'kay.. have fun.


--
The Luphra'nite

We should police ourselves, as we are our own best censors.

Exeperience and talent are NO excuse for blatent and utter
stupidity.

It's the 90's, god is dead, no one cares, and if there is a hell, its furry and

The Luprha'nite

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"Jim Lee Jr." wrote:

> Farlo wrote in message <8E2B73641far...@news.fysh.org>...
>
> >>>(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)
>
> Love does not include toleration of immoral behavior; it tries to correct it
> to moral behavior.

Read Blumrich's page, yah.. thats REALLY loving thy neighbor, with a 9mm
upside the cranium.


> The page is not meant to be touchy feely, it is meant to bring bestiality
> into open, to show it up to be the perversion it is.

Okay.. how about we bring up a problem of pedophila in the fandom?

Hmm??

How many twits in the fandom are pedos!! Speak up!! (crickets chriping)

Get it.. people are quite about pedo cause everyone thinks thats screwed up,
those who talk about and disccuss b3asty/z00 things KNOW there
is a major difference, rather then someone who has their nose in a law
book, and wipping their ass their with the word of gospel.

> >Oh, maybe that lack of love for your fellow man is against the fellowship
> >of mankind and contrary to the principles that the son of God tried to
> >instill in every one of us by his example.
>
> Sorry, it is called 'loving the person and hating the sin.'

I think it just someone's call to get a convoy of hazing and witch burning
again.

Flames never stop do they?

> >Don't mind me, i'm just a nobody.
>
> That's your problem, not mine.

Why mention it?

> >>>Check it out:
> >>>"FAASA does not condone or encourage harassment and/or violence towards
> >>>the individuals in question". Uh huh.
> >>>
> >>>... yet ...
>
> >You don't think that is what the page said?
> >I quoted it direct.
>
> Yes, I read the page, violence is condemned.

*cough cough bullshit cough cough*

Yah.. like clinton didn't inhale, and lewinsky didn't swallow, yah..

I can shot lighting bolts out my ass as well ;)

> >Will somebody please hand Jim Lee Jr the page link,
> >and while they're at it, lend him a clue??
>
> I already have a clue, and I have the page's link, thank you very much.
>
> >Jim Lee, the only law you respect is the law of the Jungle. Welcome to
> >the jungle, we got fun and games, you can have anything you want ...
>
> I respect God's laws, and the laws of nature; it is unnatural for humans to
> yiff animals; animals do not consent and cannot consent to sex with humans.
> Read Leviticus 18, which covers bestiality, fornication, and incest; they
> are all perversions, whether anyone likes it or not.

God's laws are not my laws, laws are not my laws. I live quite happy and
secure ignoring ALOT of the laws out there and don't have a problem in life.

We are all animals, we just got an oppsible thumb, and a brain that can
think of stupid things to put in writing, that is that is is different about us.

The bible is also made up from a bunch of wine drinking men who followed
around another like a lost puppy. It was also brought up from a comic I
have read that 'jesus' might have been a vampire ;) Eternal life, hoards
of followers and coming back from the dead. Turning water into wine..

> Just because we are in the age of grace does not nullify God's moral laws,
> there will be an accounting on the last day, when everyone gives an account
> to God. cf Jude 5-7 and Revelation 17, 18 and 20.
> God will judge sin and perversion, whether one likes or not.

God, Satan, the gods in general are all hooey in my book, actualy, its more
like a phamphelt that say if your reading this book, go bang your head against
a tree for beliving in an omnipotent being, moron.

I think what it is is that there is 'some' higher being, be it alients, spirts,
engery
or some sentient belly button lint, but I DOUBT that some higher power made
man right a little book that is in ever nightstand of ever hotel in america.
Yah.

> >Bestiality is legal in many states and other countries, whether *you*
> >like it or not. You can marry a goat in ... ah, forget it. =D
>
> Does that mean YOU like it, Farlo? Just because bestiality is legal does not
> mean it is moral and permissible.

Nor does giving someone a brain duster, shrug.

Why is that EVERYTIME this damn issue is brought up, that GOD
and his almight piece of asswiping come into play?? I mean,
what if we all belived in a turd or something, would be differnt?

If GOD made mankind in his own image, then GOD must be one
screwed up being, am I wrong?

The Luprha'nite

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Farlo wrote:

>
> Jimmy, your mark is a ... hey, here's a question: what are the devout tools
> of Satan wearing these days? Not to imply that Jim Lee Jr is a tool of
> Satan, I am just curious.
>

> --
> Farlo
> Urban fey dragon
>
> "Yes, my e-mail address is valid. It just doesn't look valid."

Recently there was a school who banned the Star of David from its halls
because some gangs were using it for 'statanic' and 'gang' related
rituals. :) Heh.. what a crock.

Personally, I think if GAWD and SATAN were actually real, and around today, they
would be down in cuba, doing a line smoking some ganja and laughign their asses
off at the furries and their stupidy, as well as clinton and the whole kosovo
thing.

Probably taking dibs on who is going to start the next fiasco ;)

Okay.. I am REALLY fucked up today, think I am goign to go drink myself sane or
something.

The Luprha'nite

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ilr wrote:

> Any other Mech fan or BattleTech'er would agree with me, it sounds
> too much like our beloved FASA corporation. Find some other
> title you unoriginal bastards.

Good one!! I don't think they would be appreciative.

I would like to see a direwolf or a maurauder shove a gun barrel up their
noses for it, make great headlines ;) Much like an add for the pitsburg
comicon a LONG time again, when M;TG was still fresh. There was a mage, somethign and a
dragon, all getting to cast a spell, and there was a warhawk/maurauder (medium mech) turned,
looking down at them as it was starting to fire PPCs with teh caption, "TAP THIS!" I went into
convulsions laughing!! ;)

> Here, Try these instead:
>
> WHZUP === We Hate Zoo's and Ugly Pervs
> DBK === Don't Be Knotty

Oo.. good one ;)

> GHDH === God Hates Doggy Humpers

Nah.. Phelps might want to file a lawsuite for copyright similarities.

> NIMFYFOC === Not In My Fandom You Fuckmonkeys On Crack!

Ooo.. good canidate :)

> FFF === the Flu Flux Fan
> INYISS === I'm Normal, Your Illegal in Several States

Ooooss.. I think that is a GOOD canidate ;)

> IAYFMLAU === It's All Your Fault Mundanes Laugh At Us.

hehe..

> DAG === Destroy Artifacts of Greece!

0.o BLinks?

> TMMPTMTGA === They Make My Pants Tight, Make Them Go Away!

Sounds like a code from Turok the Dinosaur Hutter ;) FRTHSTHTRLLYSCK For those that really
suck ;)

> FAP === Furry Art Police
> NAMBYPAMBLA === National AntiZoo Members Brown-nosing Ye Political American
> Majority By Loathing Animal-sex
> BFII === Burned Furs II

Don't give 'em any more ideas. ;)

> :]
> --- i l r

I like you.. your phunny and kewl!! Unlike some of those twisted mental cases out there, they
scare me! o.-

Elf Sternberg

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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In article <7psevm$15h$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>
"ilr" <i...@rof.net> writes:

>Here, Try these instead:

>INYISS === I'm Normal, Your Illegal in Several States

This one, of course, should be said with a lisp, and written
the way the Founding Fathers would have it:

"I'm Normal, You're Illegal in Feveral Ftatef."
INYIFF.

Elf

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Random

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In article <8E2B61F91far...@news.fysh.org>, Farlo
<spam...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Zoophiles and the archenemies of the Zoos, the beastialists.

Uh.. Zoophiles are beastialists...
--Random

Farlo

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Kai Robinson wrote:

>Farlo wrote in message <8E2B73641far...@news.fysh.org>...

>>Does anyone remember this oh-so-familiar flamewar?
>>Will the AFF community gather together and stop this scourge, or does
>>everyone really, really want to has it through *one ... more ... time*???
>

>I sure as hell don't. The fandom has so much better to offer.

Yeah, the JimLee personage is pure troll - I'll killfile him soon, and just
blow off this whole thread. Nobody needs to see this stuff again.

Farlo

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Jim Lee Jr. wrote:

>Farlo wrote in message <8E2B73641far...@news.fysh.org>...
>

>>>>(I'm not feeling alot of "Love" coming from these guys, you know?)
>
>Love does not include toleration of immoral behavior; it tries to
>correct it to moral behavior.
>

>The page is not meant to be touchy feely, it is meant to bring
>bestiality into open, to show it up to be the perversion it is.

To quote Willy Wonka "I know a worse one".

>>Don't mind me, i'm just a nobody.
>
>That's your problem, not mine.

For the benefit of everyone, Jim Lee Jr is entering my killfile.
Life is too short for this particular merry-go-round ...

ilr

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>
> >Here, Try these instead:
>
> >INYISS === I'm Normal, Your Illegal in Several States
>
> This one, of course, should be said with a lisp, and written
> the way the Founding Fathers would have it:
>
> "I'm Normal, You're Illegal in Feveral Ftatef."
> INYIFF.
>
sssFuckering Fuckatash, Yer right! What was I thinking

Dr. Cat

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The Luprha'nite (anon...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: ilr wrote:
: > INYISS === I'm Normal, Your Illegal in Several States

: Ooooss.. I think that is a GOOD canidate ;)

I'm afraid it's too easy to confuse with other behaviors that are illegal
in some states and legal in others, though. Like two homosexual having
sex, or adultery, or heterosexuals having anal sex or even oral sex in
some places. (One man spent two years in jail in the 1980s for having
oral sex with his own wife!)

So that one's not specific enough.

: > DAG === Destroy Artifacts of Greece!

: 0.o BLinks?

That one's obviously a bit more obscure. But I think he's referring to
the fact that they often depicted that type of sex in art, like on some of
the red-figure pots and such.

Of course this also might get the group confused with anti-gay groups, as
those naughty greeks would do art depicting that also.

I'm going to suggest TIOAAYCHICWTOIF, which stands for:

This Is Our Acronym And You Can't Have It 'Cause We Thought Of It First.

*-------------------------------------------**-----------------------------*
Dr. Cat / Dragon's Eye Productions || Free alpha test:
*-------------------------------------------** http://www.bga.com/furcadia
Furcadia - a new graphic mud for PCs! || Let your imagination soar!
*-------------------------------------------**-----------------------------*

(Disclaimer: That acronym does have the disadvantage of not speaking out
against the sex act they're trying to speak out against. But by it's
very nature, it's an acronym that can only be claimed once, and then will
be held in an unshakable grasp by whichever group nabs it first... So I
really think this group should consider grabbing it while they still have
the chance!)

David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:44:57 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. <pe...@xta.com> wrote:

[...]

>The page is not meant to be touchy feely, it is meant to bring bestiality
>into open, to show it up to be the perversion it is.

Hold on I thourt you wished to have bestiality hidden and behind
closed doors.

--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://www.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.

Weyfour WWWWolf (Urpo Lankinen)

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On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:44:57 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. <pe...@xta.com> wrote:

> I respect God's laws, and the laws of nature; it is unnatural for humans to
> yiff animals; animals do not consent and cannot consent to sex with humans.
> Read Leviticus 18, which covers bestiality, fornication, and incest; they
> are all perversions, whether anyone likes it or not.

(Note: heavy weirdness follows. The following is my opinion only; It's
not intended as a flame bait against the followers of Bible - heck,
I'm Lutheran myself!)

I'm not saying whether or not zoophilia is immoral and against the
laws of the nature (heck, I'm not a zoophile myself, and I don't even
have the necessary experience on the matter to make the judgement),
but I do have something to say about the biblical laws...

* I have a bank account. (Exodus 22:24)
* I rather like musta makkara (a form of sausage they sell in Tampere,
one of the ingredients is blood - Leviticus 17:10-12)
* I don't demand death penalty for mr. Niilo Paasivirta ("God is an
ectoplasm and a daredevil!" - Leviticus 24:16)
* I don't think the black refugees we have in our country should be
enslaved (Leviticus 25:45-46)

Therefore, according to the bible, I should be stoned to
death. (Leviticus 26:14-16) However, our church is much more
forgiving, for as the Apostle Paul says, Christians are not bound
explictly by Moses' law. That's how I interpreted the Bible. It
wouldn't even be possible to follow the biblical laws to the letter in
here; modern economy depends on the banks, and bible would make
banking a lot more complicated.

Me, I think Moses' law is... kind of... obsolete. Not for all of it,
of course, but some parts of it might well belong into dumblaws.com,
if they would take such material without fears of being flamed to
cinder.

(This was a free sample - application of the essence of "reductio ad
absurdum". =)

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S.J.Laitila

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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> Mark me up as a FAASA supporter.

Mark me up as an anti-FAASA individual.

And you can also mark me up as a person who's actually
TALKED to zoos.

S.J.Laitila

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>No, Farlo, it's called 'upholding decency and the laws of the land;'
>bestiality is illegal in many states and other countries, whether you like
>it or not. Keep the perversions behind closed doors; if you admit your
>pervs, be prepared to take the heat.

Nice witch hunt.

Ben Bruin

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In article <7puesi$5p1$2...@tron.sci.fi>,
And what they SAY does not change what they DO. and what they DO is
sexually molest animals. They are seriously emotionally warped people
who are in desperate need of serious psychological help and a swift
kick in the pants-- not necessarily in that order.

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Two rules:
1)never stand behind a cow......

Ben Bruin

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The Luprha'nite

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Aug 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/25/99
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Ben Bruin wrote:

> And what they SAY does not change what they DO. and what they DO is
> sexually molest animals. They are seriously emotionally warped people
> who are in desperate need of serious psychological help and a swift
> kick in the pants-- not necessarily in that order.
>
> --
> Two rules:
> 1)never stand behind a cow......

Last I heard you wanted to get rid of spooge and porn in furry, well, I think
that is twisted and emotionally warped. I think you need a swift kick in the
pants, and some help from a shrink, in either order, or with a side of fries.

If your not a shrink, then shut up. 'kay?

I don't think ANYONE here has a Ph.D. in Psycology, if you think you do
prove it, otherewise it goes for any twit around this newsgroup. If your
a certified shrink YAH, if not, go get a degree or shut ya trap. 'kay?

I am TIRED of folks calling Pyscological calls here, WTF, over?

PLEASE.. most of the people here need a good swift clue hammer,
not shrink help.

live and let die, and get clues, not shrinks. They already get paid enough.

Richard Chandler - WA Resident

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Aug 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/27/99
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In article <7q08tl$hqi$2...@tron.sci.fi>, "S.J.Laitila" <

s...@saunalahti.fi.spamcomnot> writes:
> >And what they SAY does not change what they DO. and what they DO
> >is sexually molest animals. They are seriously emotionally warped
> >people who are in desperate need of serious psychological help and
> >a swift kick in the pants-- not necessarily in that order.
>
> What they DO is irrelevant. I've seen lots of nice people, while
> lurking in zoo #channels.

And that Gacey fellow, he sure painted nice clowns.


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Susan Parkin

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Aug 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/28/99
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On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:33:12 -0600, "ilr" <i...@rof.net> wrote:

>Here, Try these instead:

>GHDH === God Hates Doggy Humpers

*snerk!*

>NIMFYFOC === Not In My Fandom You Fuckmonkeys On Crack!

*LOL!*

>IAYFMLAU === It's All Your Fault Mundanes Laugh At Us.

BWAHAHAHA! Except that this could be used inthe SCA as
well...

>DAG === Destroy Artifacts of Greece!

Open to too much interpretation.

>TMMPTMTGA === They Make My Pants Tight, Make Them Go Away!

Again, too open.

>NAMBYPAMBLA === National AntiZoo Members Brown-nosing Ye Political American
> Majority By Loathing Animal-sex

I wouldn't call it brown-nosing. Brown-nosing implies that
there is some sort of climb on the social ladder to be had. 'Being"
or "Belonging to" would fit better.

*tongue firmly in cheek, and none-too-thrilled to have
zoophiles around either.*

Ok, personal opinion time. It bothers me that this type of
behaviour has latched onto the fandom. It makes you second guess
every piece of artwork or writing you produce that has ANY sort of
adult theme to it, not just...yanno.

Actually, when I think about anthro art and then about
beastiality, I just don't see the legitimate connection. The anthros
are so human... Are we just the closest they can get to actual *ehem*
KittyPorn? Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone starting up
KittyPorn Magazine or PuppyLove Publications, but can't they find
somewhere else to go? Like to seek help? I'm serious here, to be
attracted sexually to animals is just wrong. I can say this because I
know someone who used to engage inthis type of behaviour in his youth
and got help, and STOPPED. YES! You CAN stop!

Sue

"NEVER stick your finger inthat part of the doggy!"


The Egoworks

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Aug 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/28/99
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Susan Parkin wrote in message <37c82877...@news.op.net>...

> Ok, personal opinion time. It bothers me that this type of
>behaviour has latched onto the fandom. It makes you second guess
>every piece of artwork or writing you produce that has ANY sort of
>adult theme to it, not just...yanno.

I just had to come out just because of this. I also find it extremely bothersome
that furry does have *that* reputation attatched to it, and after enough people
accuse you of it because of your art, you do start to question whether ANY type
of furry art is worth the hassle because it even starts to affect the clean art
too. Right now I'm working on several non-furry projects (including TALL TAILS,
and yes, I don't concider it "furry" but I don't mind if it's classified that
way unlike other comic book creators) and the positive reaction I've been
getting from them really doesn't encourage me want to look back into the fandom.
Don't get me wrong, I still do furry commissions (heck, I have enough still
piled up) but having it automatically associated with zoos does make it
difficult to show them around.

I was one of the people who never met zoos until I got into the fandom and I
really have to ask why a lot of them *are* here. I am not going to get into any
debate over whether it's right or wrong because my opinions are *set* and I
refuse to change them. I think what zoos do is absolutely wrong and it's getting
harder and harder to stay in the fandom and ignore them. I care what mundanes
think about my art because *they're* the ones that are hiring me. And even
though I have never had an employer give me grief over my furry art it is
getting harder to show especially with these new projects offering me a "safer"
alternative. For some reason, naked fantasy girls causes less contoversy than a
fully clothed fox girl playing a guitar.


Groups like FAASA and Burned Fur may look like good ideas initially but the
problem is that it's there's a lot more alternatives that make it easier to
*leave* furry than to stick around and fight. Then the real question becomes "is
furry fandom worth fighting for at all?"

--Daphne Lage (still a furry but just don't say it too loud... >_<)
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In article <7q94m0$rof$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "The Egoworks" <

egor...@worldnet.att.net.ego> writes:
> Groups like FAASA and Burned Fur may look like good ideas initially
> but the problem is that it's there's a lot more alternatives that make
> it easier to *leave* furry than to stick around and fight. Then the
> real question becomes "is furry fandom worth fighting for at all?"

Well, having been a furry fan from WAY back, I'm here, and contributing to the
fandom in whatever way I can because I love anthropomorphics, and I, for one,
have put far too much into it, and get far too much out of it, to abandon the
village to the barbarians.

Dr. Cat

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Ben Bruin (lonely...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: They are seriously emotionally warped people who are in desperate need
: of serious psychological help and a swift kick in the pants-- not
: necessarily in that order.

You know, generally when I see people talking about someone else doing
something they think is bad, their response will fall somewhere into one
of two broad categories. The "I feel sorry for that person and wish they
would somehow get help" or "I am angry at that person and want to see
something bad happen to them."

This is the first time I can ever recall hearing someone say they want
BOTH things. Man, is that weird or what?

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In article <990828232...@mauser.at.kendra.com>,

mau...@kendra.com (Richard Chandler - WA Resident) writes:

|> fandom in whatever way I can because I love anthropomorphics, and I, for one,
|> have put far too much into it, and get far too much out of it, to abandon the
|> village to the barbarians.

ooh, a crusade. dibs on the chain mail!

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Cerulean

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I won't comment on your opinions on what constitutes mental health,
I'll just answer your question of where the connection comes from.

The connection between anthro art and bestiality was originally made
by the sort of Oral Majority people who look for sin in everything,
and therefore will see bestiality in any combination of human and
animal.

Furry fandom reacted to this perception by assuming that there must be
bestialists somewhere in furry fandom creating the reputation. Once
the witch hunt started, THAT'S what attracted them. The braver ones
came looking to react to rumours of a "kill them all" sentiment in the
fandom. Some stayed to argue, and some stayed because they were
finding pretty pictures that appealed to them (and why wouldn't they?)

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