Furries coming back to TV
Mike and Carole
publicity on it from CBEM.
> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
> has been announced yet.
>
Mike
MHirtes
So much for the hope that furrydom's rep will ever improve. Now it's
becoming fodder for criminal TV plotlines.
MHirtes
Why is C.S.I. handling it? Because The X-Files can't because it's no
longer in production.
DishRoom1
Mike and Carole wrote --
>> I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
>> publicity on it from CBEM.
>>
>> > C.S.I. GETS FURRY
>> > At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
>> > Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
>> > crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
>> > described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
>> > other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
>> > has been announced yet.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Mike
>
>Why is C.S.I. handling it? Because The X-Files can't because it's no
>longer in production.
Um, is that supposed to be a joke?
John Shughart
DishRoom1
>I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
I've grabed news of this first on some furry-related Yahoo! Groups I subscribe
to. Reading more about it at Fayrah.com, the murder victum is a guy in a racoon
suit, and the show's producers reported have real-life furries to help research
with the script.
I hope that the furries they've found are the ones who could give the public a
clearer picture than "ER" and the flopped "She Spies".
John Shughart
John SHughart
unidyne
"DishRoom1" <dish...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030926214120...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> Mike and Carole wrote --
>
> >I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
> >publicity on it from CBEM.
> >
> >> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
> >> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
> >> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
> >> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
> >> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
> >> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
> >> has been announced yet.
> >>
>
> I've grabed news of this first on some furry-related Yahoo! Groups I
subscribe
> to. Reading more about it at Fayrah.com, the murder victum is a guy in a
racoon
> suit, and the show's producers reported have real-life furries to help
research
> with the script.
Dear God! Did someone drop an anvil on him?
Or would he have to be wearing a coyote suit?
Steven F. Scharff
Paul R. Bennett
Sound effects remarkably reminescent of a melon hitting a cement sidewalk as
somebody beats his head against a wall.
And... oh... fer extra points...jes' go up on cnn.com and search for
"Operation Raptor"...
Enjoy...
Paul
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
If it is, the joke's definately on the furries.
So much for the notion that if you keep the media outside the furry
cons, the media will go away.
They've gona away all right. Gone away to do their OWN shows about teh
furries.
Congrats you guys. You're now in the same boat as the 40 year old fat
guys who dress up as babies and clowns who hold circus orgies.
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
> Mike and Carole wrote --
>
> >I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
> >publicity on it from CBEM.
> >
> >> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
> >> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
> >> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
> >> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
> >> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
> >> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
> >> has been announced yet.
> >>
>
> I've grabed news of this first on some furry-related Yahoo! Groups I
> subscribe
> to. Reading more about it at Fayrah.com, the murder victum is a guy in a
> racoon
> suit, and the show's producers reported have real-life furries to help
> research
> with the script.
Looks like Ostrich is shootin' off his mouth again. This oughtta be good.
>
> I hope that the furries they've found are the ones who could give the public
> a
> clearer picture than "ER" and the flopped "She Spies".
Probably the very same ones (which is probably how the CSI producers
were able to find them).
The Revenge of Mister Whiskers!!
Keeshah
>> >> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
> >> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
> >> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
> >> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
> >> has been announced yet.
> >>
>
> I've grabed news of this first on some furry-related Yahoo! Groups I subscribe
> to. Reading more about it at Fayrah.com, the murder victum is a guy in a racoon
> suit, and the show's producers reported have real-life furries to help research
> with the script.
>
> I hope that the furries they've found are the ones who could give the public a
> clearer picture than "ER" and the flopped "She Spies".
The story was to be about a coon who was killed, by other furries, all
in bdsm style
Sex fursuits... untill a fur accually got ahold of the show producers,
an they are now
rewritting the script.. At least it will not look like a furry is
something that you will find in a leather bar.
Spirou
"Paul R. Bennett" <rf...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> And... oh... fer extra points...jes' go up on cnn.com and search for
> "Operation Raptor"...
> Enjoy...
> Paul
Okay,AND?:
"Article matches for ""Operation Raptor"" on CNN.com
SORT RESULTS BY: DATE |RELEVANCE 1 - 12 of 12
1.
Lockheed Martin rolls out F22 Raptor (04.09.1997)
The jet, which uses radarthwarting stealth technology, has been
christened with the name Raptor and was touted during the ceremony
as the newest glory of the United States Air Force.
2.
Lockheed Martin unveils F22 Raptor Wednesday (04.09.1997)
From Military Affairs Correspondent Jamie McIntyre
3.
Asiaweek (08.29.1999)
Celebrations Asia is gearing upCelebrities How some of the regions
most visible personalities intend to welcome the New YearMillenium
Dictionary From pop anthems to dawn sites and midnight nuptials, a
guide to 2000WAR OR PEACE THAT is...
4.
Asiaweek (08.31.1999)
The world of military aviation is getting smaller
5.
Getting the drop on network intruders (10.11.1999)
IDG Your network is your kingdom, and youre the leader of the
security force. What are you doing to protect your territory
6.
Looking for securitys suite spot (06.07.1999)
IDG When IT invests in a product suite, whether its a
productivity suite like Microsoft Office or a network management
tool like CA Unicenter TNG, the expectation is that the whole is
greater than the sum of its parts. Tighter...
7.
Securing your computers future (10.09.1998)
IDG Whats that groaning sound No, its not coming from viewers
of the presidents testimony. Its from my bookshelves. They're
straining under the weight of more than 20 computer security books.
Generally, given the...
8.
Burned by firewalls (09.22.1998)
by Ellen Messmer
From...
9.
Airport uses birds of prey to frighten flocks (09.25.1997)
NEW YORK CNN The FAA estimates that collisions with birds will
cause more than400 million in damage this year to commercial and
military aircraftin the United States.
10.
Secure extranet is just what the doctor ordered (01.14.2000)
IDG The National Board of Medical Examiners NBME, whose job is
to accredit physicians in the U.S., has set up an extranet to
provide online access to doctors test scores and other data.
11.
Free software fights Net snoopers (04.30.1999)
IDG Free Linuxbased software released this month could make it
easier for companies to inexpensively guard against online
eavesdroppers.
12.
Peregrine ready to fly off endangered list (08.25.1998)
After battling illness and coming back from the brink of starvation,
the bird was to released by Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt during
a ceremony at Georgias Stone Mountain Park.
SORT RESULTS BY: DATE |RELEVANCE 1 - 12 of 12"
Baudelier
First ER and now CSI, if we continue the tread next should be TGIF =).
I've heard that this ep should be airing on Thursday October 30th. So
it'll be a halloween episode. I'm looking forward to it.
--
Baudelier
MHirtes
Keeshah <Kee...@gbronline.com> wrote:
That's what they WANT you to think.
Fact still remains. A dead furry. Already, the show makes me happy. :)
Swipecat
>Fact still remains. A dead furry. Already, the show makes me happy. :)
Hey Mike, when are you next going to lament how furries always run you
down? And how you've absolutely no idea why that should be?
--
Swipecat
Arty McToon
to the culprit...so it might be:
Telltale (tail?) pawprints.
Ripped fibers from the victim's fursuit found on the culprit's person.
Bent whiskers on the face.
That ugly stain somewhere on the suit leading to the culprit's DNA.
Professor Plum in the kitchen with the revolver.
That wasn't a bird suit...it was a Las Vegas showgirl wearing a
feathered costume.
:-)
Chris Beilby
"Swipecat" <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote in message
news:05hbnvoucjjiaacoa...@4ax.com...
Of course he has no idea, Swipecat. The dipshit is psycologically incapable
of seeing anything bad about himself...
MHirtes
"Chris Beilby" <christop...@cox.net> wrote:
Oh yeah, *I* don't go around "yiffing", and *I'M* the one with issues.
LOL!
Bill Marcum
<mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> Congrats you guys. You're now in the same boat as the 40 year old fat
> guys who dress up as babies and clowns who hold circus orgies.
Not until we get on Jerry Springer. I was going to say "you would be
perfect for that show", but even Jerry has standards...
--
Commander Spiral Pyjama Pseudo-Rhinocerous Feline Thingamajig Bill Marcum
(the First)
Ozy and Millie Name Generator http://heifong.phase.org/omname.php
Swipecat
>Oh yeah, *I* don't go around "yiffing", and *I'M* the one with issues.
Very true. But if you can resolve those issues, maybe that will one day
resolve the lack of nookie for you. But never mind, in the meantime, you
can console yourself with all your yiffy harem piccies.
--
Swipecat
MHirtes
Swipecat <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote:
> MHirtes <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> >Oh yeah, *I* don't go around "yiffing", and *I'M* the one with issues.
>
> Very true. But if you can resolve those issues, maybe that will one day
> resolve the lack of nookie for you.
Beleive me, the thought of "yiffing" with any of you almost makes my
junk roll down my pantleg onto the floor.
MHirtes
Bill Marcum <bma...@iglou.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:18:39 GMT, MHirtes
> <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
> >
> > Congrats you guys. You're now in the same boat as the 40 year old fat
> > guys who dress up as babies and clowns who hold circus orgies.
>
> Not until we get on Jerry Springer. I was going to say "you would be
> perfect for that show", but even Jerry has standards...
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,3032,00.html
(and before you say "Well, HE'S not furry", then please tell me why
"Mark" was wandering around Confurence, showing off the photo ablum of
his "bride" to anyone who couldn't get away?)
bobby
There going to make us look dumb like avery time thay do story on it
it ends up like the shit M.T.V did made it all about sex M.T.V did
no one in particular
"MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote in message news:mihirtes-445AC0...@news.central.cox.net...
(snip
>
> If it is, the joke's definately on the furries.
Worse and sadder a joke because less than 0.1% of furries will grasp that this is not good for furry and 99.99% of those that do
will think there must still be some way to put a good spin on furry.
> So much for the notion that if you keep the media outside the furry
> cons, the media will go away.
No one has any idea if any reporter will see fit to go deep cover, infiltrate, attend as a supposed furry, then bust it all open
worse than every before, but people more interested in their own selfish amusements won't likely think long enough to see past it. I
can hardly wait.
> They've gona away all right. Gone away to do their OWN shows about teh
> furries.
Fictionalizing people who live fictional lives is a new level.
> Congrats you guys. You're now in the same boat as the 40 year old fat
> guys who dress up as babies and clowns who hold circus orgies.
And we'll never see the slow train wreck that is furry ever being divorced from anthropomorphics proper. The former BFs can hope
as can many others, but it won't happen.
But if you want to find a silver lining, the Trekkies now have no real ongoing material to give them legitimacy, unless you call
Enterprise with their Vulcan ship ho legitimate, so the sicker and sadder corners of that fandom are now getting more notice. So now
furry vore is right up there with Trek slash. Yay...
-Wayd Wolf
Swipecat
>Beleive me, the thought of "yiffing" with any of you almost makes my
>junk roll down my pantleg onto the floor.
Gets you *that* excited eh? Well don't forget to mop up afterwards.
--
Swipecat
Swipecat
<snip>
Doing his damnedest to tear down Trek fandom, now.
This guy really is a laugh a minute.
--
Swipecat
no one in particular
"bobby" <bobby...@aol.com> wrote in message news:d8d3e1d1.03092...@posting.google.com...
> > First ER and now CSI, if we continue the tread next should be TGIF =).
> > I've heard that this ep should be airing on Thursday October 30th. So
> > it'll be a halloween episode. I'm looking forward to it.
>
> There going to make us look dumb like avery time thay do story on it
> it ends up like the shit M.T.V did made it all about sex M.T.V did
FURRIES make it all about sex. More sex with less reproduction occurs here than in ten thousand orgies. And it would be nice if
some of it were wholesome fun sex, but people who claim to be gay but are still virgins(how can you not find a way to get laid in
THIS fandom?), people who claim to be straight and yet run away from sex at all costs(and cast nasty slurs at genuine females who
offer to loosed them up), people who can't get more than a quarter hard without artificial fur wrapped around it, etc., is not
wholesome. Furry is deeply fucked and the press and media are noticing it more and more.
-Wayd Wolf
no one in particular
"Swipecat" <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote in message news:qu9cnvotj4ns7ktro...@4ax.com...
No, the idiots putting up websites full of fantasies about Spock and Kirk fucking are doing it just nicely. If you can't find
them, you aren't even bright enough to use Google. Oddly half a dozen sites like Something Awful which you think are run by idiots
are smarter than you because they find this crap without breaking a sweat.
-Wayd Wolf
Swipecat
<gibbering rant snipped>
Yep. Wayd's on a psychotic break, for sure.
--
Swipecat
Swipecat
> FURRIES make it all about sex. More sex with less reproduction occurs here than in ten thousand orgies. And it would be nice if
>some of it were wholesome fun sex, but people who claim to be gay but are still virgins(how can you not find a way to get laid in
>THIS fandom?), people who claim to be straight and yet run away from sex at all costs(and cast nasty slurs at genuine females who
>offer to loosed them up), people who can't get more than a quarter hard without artificial fur wrapped around it, etc., is not
>wholesome. Furry is deeply fucked and the press and media are noticing it more and more.
Well, gosh. Any moment now, Wayd's going to put on a top hat and cloak
and head out into the night to murder prostitutes.
--
Swipecat
MHirtes
"no one in particular" <wayd...@nothotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They've gone away all right. Gone away to do their OWN shows about teh
> > furries.
>
> Fictionalizing people who live fictional lives is a new level.
...of Hell. <g>
> But if you want to find a silver lining, the Trekkies now have no real
> ongoing material to give them legitimacy, unless you call
> Enterprise with their Vulcan ship ho legitimate,
> so the sicker and sadder
> corners of that fandom are now getting more notice. So now
> furry vore is right up there with Trek slash. Yay...
> -Wayd Wolf
>
>
Hey, check out THIS week's upcoming episode. Now they're gonna "jump the
shark" and give the Trekkies a brand new to fap over. The silver lining
on THAT might be that maybe they'll stop all that Kirk/Spock slash fic
and start doing Enterprise lesbo threeways starring Hoshi, T'Paul, and
biatch #3.
Too bad for furries tho. Schwartz STILL won't let Sheila & Sabrina do
any "tribble wrestling". ;)
MHirtes
Swipecat <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote:
Cat's Wipe is in denial, Wayd. Notice that yet?
Mike and Carole
"Swipecat" <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote in message
news:qu9cnvotj4ns7ktro...@4ax.com...
Actually them there funnybook collectors are worse, Puttin' everything in
them ziploc bags.
Mike
Tim Gadd
<Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
>I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
>publicity on it from CBEM.
>
>> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
>> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
>> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
>> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
>> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
>> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
>> has been announced yet.
I suppose this will have the same cataclysmic repercussions on my life as
the ER episode. i.e. I think one person mentioned it to me, and that was in
a completely neutral context (e.g. "There was a bit about plushies on ER"
or something)
--
Tim Gadd | fluke .com.au
Hobart, Tasmania | @southcom
Homepage: http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/university/222/
'In this game you've got 18 holes
To shoot your best somehow
Where have all my divots gone?
I'm in the back nine now'
Loudon Wainwright III
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>I've grabed news of this first on some furry-related
>Yahoo! Groups I subscribe to. Reading more about
>it at Fayrah.com, the murder victum is a guy in a
>racoon suit, and the show's producers reported
>have real-life furries to help research with the
>script.
That's and oddity!
>I hope that the furries they've found are the ones
>who could give the public a clearer picture than
>"ER" and the flopped "She Spies".
>John Shughart
Surpirsed I never saw these, but it's kinda sad to see the obvious
stereotyping that is being done about the furry community in this case.
If I was to make a film involving something like that, I'd rather play
it like it's a common thing, so I could have people in fursuits or
sections of their body in masks or tails and it would seem rather normal
to see it in the film's integrity than to just flat-out point to the
obvious and flaunt it for what it's worth.
There are times when I watch a Kevin Smith film like "Clerks" and think,
it wouldn't seem out of place if there were a fer furries that pop in
and out of the Quick Stop now and then. It just seems like it could
work perfectly if it defined what kind of universe exists in this film's
continuity and such.
From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak
--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--
mouse
ya know, when hes not talking politics i agree with just about
everythign he (wayd) says
are you say that any of what he said isnt true ??
mouse
> And we'll never see the slow train wreck that is furry ever being divorced from anthropomorphics proper. The former BFs can hope
> as can many others, but it won't happen.
i dont even really like thinking about it like ..but your probably
right
>
> But if you want to find a silver lining, the Trekkies now have no real ongoing material to give them legitimacy, unless you call
> Enterprise with their Vulcan ship ho legitimate, so the sicker and sadder corners of that fandom are now getting more notice. So now
> furry vore is right up there with Trek slash. Yay...
> -Wayd Wolf
uhm actually most people recognize that fucked-up trekkies are just a
small fringe element of star trek fandom
meanwhile most people think all furries are fucked up
hmm, btw , since im on the subject
so, do any of you motherfuckers have any idea what it feels like to
order a bunch of comics from one of your absolute FAVORITE independant
cartoonists...
get the comics in the mail yesterday ...
sit down read the first one immediatly..
its a little bit older - 2002
and its hilarious,
great all the way through..
then to your absolute HORROR realize that the last piece ..
the fuckign LONGEST one in the book - is one of the most mean
satirical takes on furry fandom, EVER?!
do you have ANY fucking idea what thats like????
all the blood drained outta my face
"fuuuuuuck..."
once i recovered it was pretty funny..and pretty fucking nasty too
i didnt email him about it ...cuz to be honest i dont want him to know
im involved in this shit (not that it would really matter)
and to be honest i dont have a problem that he did it either cuz i
dont feel his reaction was out of line at all, he was just making fun
of a bunch of fucked up maniacs
i think hes got the fandom "all wrong" (or maybe not) but whats the
point in trying to correct him ?
im not gonna fucking tell you who it is either (if you dont know or
cant figure it out), cuz i dont want you stupid motherfuckers spamming
up his email box with hate mail and threats or whatever the typicall
furry response is..
so instead im just gonna flame each and every one of you fuckers that
jump in my path until i feel better
if your a deviant piece of shit, im going to tell you that you are
if that makes me some "mean hateful bigot"....i dont fucking care
assholes
more...@greatweed.com
> "bobby" <bobby...@aol.com> wrote in message news:d8d3e1d1.03092...@posting.google.com...
> > Baudelier <bau...@localnet.com> wrote in message news:<etganv8vsiknptlpk...@4ax.com>...
> offer to loosed them up
By 'genuine', do you mean 'not bad looking at all' genuine or 'under
the delusion that a pair of false cat ears hides the fact that they're
over 200 pounds with at least %80 body fat' genuine?
Let's call a spade a spade here, Wayd. Some of the female specimens
you find at your average furry con would make just about any male with
a halfway-decent set of standards consider going 'up the down
staircase'.
Swipecat
>ya know, when hes not talking politics i agree with just about
>everythign he (wayd) says
>
>are you say that any of what he said isnt true ??
I noticed that you didn't agree with his characterisation of Trek
fandom. My experience tells me that Wayd's rants about furrydom are as
much a generalisation as that. And the same thing applies, to a lesser
extent, to the broad brushstrokes from the likes of Brian Henderson. If
you want the reason for my attitude towards them, I'll refer you to a
previous post of mine rather than repeating myself at length:
http://tinyurl.com/oxnl . I'm aware that you arrived here via the
crushyiff forums, and that in this group, you gravitate towards
discussions with our extreme reactionaries. Out of curiosity, Mouse,
have you had a particular experience with furrydom that's coloured your
view?
--
Swipecat
Matt Harpold
> No, the idiots putting up websites full of fantasies about Spock and
Kirk fucking are doing it just nicely. If you can't find
> them, you aren't even bright enough to use Google. Oddly half a dozen
sites like Something Awful which you think are run by idiots
> are smarter than you because they find this crap without breaking a sweat.
> -Wayd Wolf
Great, Something Awful. Funny for a while, but really, these days, their
stuff is a layup, so predictable you could set your watch to it. Making fun
of slash, that's terribly original. Making fun of furries, making fun of
ugly people. Never heard of that before! Be still my comedic heart. No, SA
aren't idiots, they're just very very tired.
You're such a sideshow, WAYD. Rag on all of us, but month after month after
month, you're still here, saying the exact same thing, to the exact same
people. You put more energy into furry fandom than I ever could. Same with
that Hirtes guy. That guy is a laugh and three quarters. Jesus Christ. You
guys are like an atomic clock. I could check out a.f.f in twenty years and
I'd put money down that the both of you would still be here. Still saying
the same tired shit. Still trolling for a reaction. Well, you got one more,
so put another notch on your keyboard.
I know one thing. Anyone who sits on a usenet group repeating themselves
over and over again, hating on the same insignificant fringe group, (and I'm
a furry, so I'm part of said insignificant fringe group) has got some
serious screws loose. What do you have to prove to us? We're furries! We all
suck, right? We're diseased! So why impress us? What actual purpose are you
fulfilling? Nice virtual sandwich board you got going here, Charlie. Repent,
the end is near!
I'm pro-hedonism. I'm pro-deviant sex, I'm pro-slash fiction, I'm
pro-anything that is a good time to someone and isn't hurting anyone. I'm
married to someone who writes slash. She does it because she ENJOYS IT.
Remember that feeling? Of actually enjoying things? I know it's not cool to
be enthusiastic these days. So help me understand. Does it hurt that bad
that other people enjoy something that you don't approve of? Do you lay
awake at night cursing our name? What's the deal? And don't give me that
clean-up-the-fandom bullcrap. You're not cleaning up anything, and you're
not going to. Furry fandom is a lot like America. Lots of freaks, idiots,
wierdos and fuckups, but it still works okay, it's still full of basically
good people, and I'm still proud to be a part of it.
-Matt/Turbine
Dave The Dancing Hyena
wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:54:35 -0500, "Mike and Carole"
><Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
>
>>I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
>>publicity on it from CBEM.
>>
>>> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
>>> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
>>> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
>>> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
>>> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
>>> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
>>> has been announced yet.
>
>I suppose this will have the same cataclysmic repercussions on my life as
>the ER episode. i.e. I think one person mentioned it to me, and that was in
>a completely neutral context (e.g. "There was a bit about plushies on ER"
>or something)
No one has ever mentioned anything negative about furry to me EVER or
been nasty to me because I like anthromorphic animal art or well...
anything.
I have been robbed of my rightful due.
I need something to whine about. :o(
---
Sample:
[1. "And at the gates the trumpets rang."]
[2. "This is my hour. Do you not know death when you see it ... die now!"]
Dave The Dancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>I'm pro-hedonism. I'm pro-deviant sex,
No. That's rather hasty, We must ever be aware of the effect that our
actions have on others.
For example, I have seen that people sleeping around however they like
can lead to bad consequences, unwanted fertilisations and also STD's.
One must preach a culture of responsibility and organisation in order
that negative consequences be reduced.
If that ultimately must end with the goverment governing certain
aspects of how we interact with other people and laying down the law
about certain sexual practices (and it must). Then so be it.
Dave The Dancing Hyena
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>so instead im just gonna flame each and every one of you fuckers that
>jump in my path until i feel better
>
>if your a deviant piece of shit, im going to tell you that you are
>
>if that makes me some "mean hateful bigot"....i dont fucking care
I have looked at some of T3h Gh3y f|_|44y pr0n, and I thought "hmmm, I
think that's rather good" and indeed, I belive that one can certainly
have furry pr0n of merit, Since do we not have nudes that are labelled
as fine art?
Why yes. We do, Therefore there is nothing to my mind, which stops T3h
Gh3y f|_|44y pr0n (when sufficiently well done) to qualify as "fine
art".
However I would like to be flamed rare, since I prefer my meat with a
little moistness to it.
Dave The Dancing Hyena
until great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>However I would like to be flamed rare, since I prefer my meat with a
>little moistness to it.
That is not meant to be a double entendre and I reserve the right to
poke people with graphite sticks who construe it as such.
Phoenix-D
"Dave The Dancing Hyena" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f77010e...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> "Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> shall never vanquished be until
> great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
> >I'm pro-hedonism. I'm pro-deviant sex,
>
> No. That's rather hasty, We must ever be aware of the effect that our
> actions have on others.
> For example, I have seen that people sleeping around however they like
> can lead to bad consequences, unwanted fertilisations and also STD's.
>
> One must preach a culture of responsibility and organisation in order
> that negative consequences be reduced.
>
> If that ultimately must end with the goverment governing certain
> aspects of how we interact with other people and laying down the law
> about certain sexual practices (and it must). Then so be it.
>
> ---
I'm more in favor of not protecting people from themselves. Mess yourself up
as much as you like, I couldn't care less. Take anyone else down with you
and -then- I'd get involved. We don't need a nanny state.
Phoenix-D
DishRoom1
Mike and Carole wrote --
>>I had already heard about this from Steve Corbett, but here's the first
>>publicity on it from CBEM.
>>
>>> C.S.I. GETS FURRY
>>> At the Emmy's last night, Marg Helgenberger, who plays Catherine
>>> Willows on C.S.I., told Melissa Rivers that an upcoming episode of the
>>> crime drama would deal with "Furries and Plushies." Helgenberger
>>> described them as, "People who like to dress up as stuffed animals or
>>> other animals and entertain themselves." No air date for that episode
>>> has been announced yet.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Mike
>
>
>First ER and now CSI, if we continue the tread next should be TGIF =).
>I've heard that this ep should be airing on Thursday October 30th. So
>it'll be a halloween episode. I'm looking forward to it.
Rather fitting for a near-Holloween since the poor victim is in a suit.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
Swipecat wrote --
Waydwolf wrote --
>> > FURRIES make it all about sex. More sex with less reproduction occurs
>> > here than in ten thousand orgies. And it would be nice if
>> >some of it were wholesome fun sex, but people who claim to be gay but are
>> >still virgins(how can you not find a way to get laid in
>> >THIS fandom?), people who claim to be straight and yet run away from sex
>at
>> >all costs(and cast nasty slurs at genuine females who
>> >offer to loosed them up), people who can't get more than a quarter hard
>> >without artificial fur wrapped around it, etc., is not
>> >wholesome. Furry is deeply fucked and the press and media are noticing it
>> >more and more.
>>
>> Well, gosh. Any moment now, Wayd's going to put on a top hat and cloak
>> and head out into the night to murder prostitutes.
>
>
>Cat's Wipe is in denial, Wayd. Notice that yet?
Hey! Enough with the name-calling already.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
Waydwolf wrote --
>> FURRIES make it all about sex. More sex with less reproduction occurs
And have you noticed that since Wayd hates us now, he still calls himself
WaydWOLF?
John Shughart
DishRoom1
Waydwolf wrote --
>Doing his damnedest to tear down Trek fandom, now.
I wonder what he would say about anime. (I'm not much into Star Trek, but I
love anime.)
>
>This guy really is a laugh a minute.
>
John Shughart
DishRoom1
>> No, the idiots putting up websites full of fantasies about Spock and
>Kirk fucking are doing it just nicely. If you can't find
>> them, you aren't even bright enough to use Google. Oddly half a dozen
>sites like Something Awful which you think are run by idiots
>> are smarter than you because they find this crap without breaking a sweat.
>> -Wayd Wolf
>
>Great, Something Awful. Funny for a while, but really, these days, their
>stuff is a layup, so predictable you could set your watch to it. Making fun
>of slash, that's terribly original. Making fun of furries, making fun of
>ugly people. Never heard of that before! Be still my comedic heart. No, SA
>aren't idiots, they're just very very tired.
One time I was surfing SA, I came upon a page that rudely mocked anything
Japanese and often was mean about anime. :-p
>
> You're such a sideshow, WAYD. Rag on all of us, but month after month after
>month, you're still here, saying the exact same thing, to the exact same
>people. You put more energy into furry fandom than I ever could. Same with
>that Hirtes guy. That guy is a laugh and three quarters. Jesus Christ. You
>guys are like an atomic clock. I could check out a.f.f in twenty years and
>I'd put money down that the both of you would still be here. Still saying
>the same tired shit. Still trolling for a reaction. Well, you got one more,
>so put another notch on your keyboard.
Makes you wonder then.. Hey, Hirtes, Wayd, if you hate us so much, why do still
write in our newsgroups for? Doesn't make sense to go around in an newsgroup
themed around something you hate.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
Swipecat wrote -
Waydwolf wrote --
>> <snip>
>>
>> Doing his damnedest to tear down Trek fandom, now.
>>
>> This guy really is a laugh a minute.
>>
>> --
>> Swipecat
>Actually them there funnybook collectors are worse, Puttin' everything in
>them ziploc bags.
Yumm, Ziploc make the comic books stay fresh and delicous. *Crunch, chew chew*
(joke)
John Shughart
DishRoom1
>uhm actually most people recognize that fucked-up trekkies are just a
>small fringe element of star trek fandom
>meanwhile most people think all furries are fucked up
But still, both f*cked up trekkies and furries are at the same small
percentage.
John Shughart
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
>
> Makes you wonder then.. Hey, Hirtes, Wayd, if you hate us so much, why do
> still
> write in our newsgroups for?
Okay, you want the answer? I can't speak for Wayd, but I know that
unlike all the others you loons have driven out of the fandom, I'm
sticking around to remind you guy just how messed up and sad you really
are. Time after time, one show or article after another is out there
portraying you guys as a bunch of dysfunctional loons, but you continue
to stubbornly hold onto your hunger to yiff rather than change. You
think that as you drive out more of the REAL furries, the freaks that
remain will continue to dictate what goes on in the fandom. You THINK
that all you have to do is ban the media from the furry cons, and the
problem will go away.
Well guess what? It's NOT going to go away. In fact, it's happening even
more frequently. Sure, you MIGHT attract some new recruits, but what
kind of a fuckjob is going to watch that Mtv special and WANT to join
the fandom. A pretty messed up individual, obviously. Another freak
joins the herd. Gooba gabba. One of you! One of you!
I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
And when that blessed day comes of Furry Fandom's eventual demise, *I*
want to be the one that tamps down the dirt over it's grave.
It *WILL* be interesting to see that episode of C.S.I. when it comes
out, as well as the HOOT it's going to be reading all you fuckmonkeys
bitch, moan, and rationalise it away (just like you did with LOADED,
Mtv, Vanity Fair, etc.). Each time an expose of furry comes along, it
further educates the mundanes of the world to beware of you.
The "furry" episode of C.S.I. will come out, but you won't learn a damn
thing.
Matt Harpold
> >I'm pro-hedonism. I'm pro-deviant sex,
>
> No. That's rather hasty, We must ever be aware of the effect that our
> actions have on others.
> For example, I have seen that people sleeping around however they like
> can lead to bad consequences, unwanted fertilisations and also STD's.
What's rather hasty? You don't know a thing about me! It leads to bad
consequences because you're not smart about it. Because I'm pro booze
doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro- drinking and driving, or pro-heroin.
I thought we all learned this in junior high. Safe sex, people! This is not
brain surgery, most other countries teach it earlier than we do.
> One must preach a culture of responsibility and organisation in order
> that negative consequences be reduced.
I am responsible. I'm smart, and I protect myself. Apparently you equate
repressed and afraid of life with responsible. Don't drink, don't smoke,
don't smoke a joint, don't have sex unless you're married and it's with your
quiet and suggestible wife in the missionary position with the lights off
and the bible next to the bed.
> If that ultimately must end with the goverment governing certain
> aspects of how we interact with other people and laying down the law
> about certain sexual practices (and it must). Then so be it.
The government already does this. No murder, no assault, no rape, no stat
rape, no battery.
But if you're got to tell me with a straight face that I can't have sex with
whichever consenting adult I choose, in the manner in which I choose, as it
harms no others, I'm afraid I'm going to have to show you the writing on the
wall. This country is going my way, not your way.
-Matt/Turbine
Matt Harpold
>
> I'm more in favor of not protecting people from themselves. Mess yourself
up
> as much as you like, I couldn't care less. Take anyone else down with you
> and -then- I'd get involved. We don't need a nanny state.
>
Apparently some people are SO afraid that they would love to just give every
right we have away. It's amazing what fear can do to a person.
-Matt/Turbine
Swipecat
>I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
>messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
>dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
>up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
Mike, don't you realise that is sociopathic be definition?
Look, I'm being serious now. You are doing damage to yourself by hanging
around here. It's obvious to all of us that you have now got yourself
into a shocking mental state. You've now got to the point that you have
no idea just how strange your posts look. Remember Richard Chandler
telling you that this group wasn't doing you any good? Believe him, if
you don't believe me.
Swipecat
>And have you noticed that since Wayd hates us now, he still calls himself
>WaydWOLF?
Heh. So he does. Since he's redefined furry to mean everything he hates,
I guess that a wolf is his personal "anthro" rather than his personal
furry or some such nonsense. He's an advocate of "anthro fandom" which
seems to mean a fan of humanity. Although "misanthro fandom" would be
more appropriate.
--
Swipecat
slickpuppy
> I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
> messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
> dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
> up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
>
> And when that blessed day comes of Furry Fandom's eventual demise, *I*
> want to be the one that tamps down the dirt over it's grave.
Whoo! Mikey, Mikey...I *want* to feel sorry for you, my word to God I do.
But that marvelous, uniquie blend of vitriol and raw silliness you spew
makes it so damn difficult!
Just so we're on the same page: Your twisted screeds and your bile don't
bother me in the slightest. In fact, they amuse me greatly. You're a sad,
funny little man who I really can't take seriously on any level. Hell,
*Wayd* is often more reasonable and intelligent in his rants than you are!
I don't expect this will take, but I sometimes feel the need to remind you
that almost nobody here gives a damn about your nonsense. You're not furry
fandom. You have no good will banked, you have no pull, your opinion is all
but completely valueless. And every good, solid, intelligent and likable
memeber of this community is worth a thousand of you. Jim Groat has his
problems like everyone, but he's a smart and talented guy, and a many times
the human being you'll ever be. As are Mike & Carole Curtis, Jim Hardiman,
Bill Holbrook, Dr. Samuel Conway, Terrie Smith, most members of this group,
and any number of other fine people who you demonize or convenintly ignore.
You don't matter, Mike. You're funny, and kind of interesting in the same
manner as a road accident or a creepy exotic insect. But you don't matter.
And the people who do will go moving right along with barely any notice of
you. But by all means, keep on spewing! We're only human, and a little
schadenfreude makes the day a little lighter. :}
--
Kevin J. Mulder
slick...@xecu.net
"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by
merit, you would stay out, and your
dog would go in."
-Mark Twain
Matt Harpold
Get a load of this guy! How is it that the guy who puts more effort flipping
out about furries isn't as crazy as a furry? Who's more fucked up? gays, or
Fred Phelps with his GODHATESFAGS signs? You are aware that furry fandom is
becoming more mainstream, regardless of how many freaks join it, aren't you?
Let me explain something. In a few short years, the amount of people
attending these cons has about quadrupled. There's probably more freaks now
than there ever have been. But what is ALSO true is that the PROPORTION has
changed. And it has changed away from the fringe, and more towards the
mainstream, because the mainstream makes more money. it's still fringey, but
it's way less focused. There's far more teenagers who want to do clean art,
there's art selling at the art shows that is of professional quality, that
appeals to people outside the fandom as a whole, there's people who are
generally attracted to the less bizarre aspects of the subculture. There's
new blood, and the reason there's exposes is because it's a brand new thing,
and it's interesting to producers. It's news. NEW. Do you understand? It
makes good copy, it's visually arresting (fursuits and all that) and it
fills up some time on cable channels. I want that CSI show to go on the air,
even if it is negative, because there really is no such thing as bad
publicity. The more exposue furry gets, the more people join it. The more
people join it, the more mainstream it becomes. You can believe whatever you
want, but unfortuantely, I also have a brain, and I've been to cons
recently, and I simply do not see the things you claim to see. You see
dysfunctional loons, I see creative and talented people with a tight sense
of community. Maybe you were hanging out in the wrong crowd.
I'm not worried about freaks, because I actually pay attention, and think
critically about this stuff. And the real wierdos are being drowned out by
people who basically just like goofing off in costume and buying stuff and
doing all the stuff every other fandom does. I've had exactly one bad
experience with someone who associated my being a furry with being a twisted
freako. She was a former boss of mine, and was off of her anti-psychotic
medication at the time, and was fired for that statement, among a couple
other things. So even my company backed me up!
Enjoy your life, Mister Hirtes. Here's to 20 more fulfilling years of you
repeating yourself. Wear that sandwich board proudly, it must be working out
well for you.
-Matt/Turbine
mouse
> mo...@blackvault.com (mouse) wrote:
>
> >ya know, when hes not talking politics i agree with just about
> >everythign he (wayd) says
> >
> >are you say that any of what he said isnt true ??
>
> I noticed that you didn't agree with his characterisation of Trek
> fandom. My experience tells me that Wayd's rants about furrydom are as
> much a generalisation as that. And the same thing applies, to a lesser
> extent, to the broad brushstrokes from the likes of Brian Henderson. If
> you want the reason for my attitude towards them, I'll refer you to a
> previous post of mine rather than repeating myself at length:
> http://tinyurl.com/oxnl .
i read through it quickly, ill probably go over it more in detail
later, but i guess i agree with you , but i think the problem is
larger, not smaller, than its made out to be
> I'm aware that you arrived here via the
> crushyiff forums, and that in this group, you gravitate towards
> discussions with our extreme reactionaries. Out of curiosity, Mouse,
> have you had a particular experience with furrydom that's coloured your
> view?
actually thats incorrect
i think i stated elsewhere and i also sort of posted my origins on
crush yiff destroy when i first posted there, although i have refined
that view somewhat since
i started looking around furry dec 02 , whenever hirtes posted
something about crush yiff destroy thats when i went there and started
actually posting there instead of here....THEN later i started posting
here...ive been reading it almost the whole time. i can totally
understand why it looks like i came FROM CYD , but thats not the
case...i just finally felt that maybe i had something to say, or
contribute...hell i might up and vanish from ALL of this any day and
just go back to lurking like i used to. ill still be a customer at
rabbit valley and on furbid regardless ..who knows
my experience that colored my view is this:
when i first starting through furry stuff, i figured i would start at
the VERY beginning, as far back as i could possibly go
i read though miles of usenet posting once i started reading usenet
groups
when i started buying comics i bought all the old stuff i could
i tracked down critters, and all of captain jack , ismet, albedo, the
OLDEST of furrlough...just in general the oldest stuff i could find
because i figured that if im gonna be a member of a community that i
should take the time to understand it ...
the reasons that i thought the fandom existed for
the purpose i thought it was here for
is a pretty amazing concept , it actually was something special (IMO)
and look at how that potential has been squandered
its fucking disgusting
am i furry? i dont really know
it depends on what definition you use
im probably most resemble some furry/funny-animal zealot from the
early 80's
only im brand new
its really a terrible position to be in
it was my mistake for going about things the way i did
i went into furry's history and saw something i found completely
fascinating...if i would have first gone through yiffnet or furrymuck
or something like that i probably wouldnt even be here right now
look when you had professional animators in furry and comic book
creators actually in close proximity if not in the ranks of thier fans
like that...that dont happen that often
and look - they got driven off
along with everyone who has ever tried to do good for the fandom as a
whole, but the fandom never been greatful , instead its reacted with
hostility
i can understand , i can really fucking try to understand that a lot
of people dont want to hurt other furries because thier "different"
thats great, and look at how that acceptance was repaid
there comes a time to tell someone to "get lost"
it sucks but thats the way it is...especially if you value your OWN
reputation and the survival of your own group
shit i am such a fanatic about funny-animals that if i was a member of
a funny-animal fandom , i would constantly be thinking of what can i
do to improve things for everyone , or how can i contribute something
good, i would have the interests of the group way above whatever my
own personal desires or interests were
but look around furry ..what a fucking backwards mess it is
at this point i wonder if the fandom is completely totally beyond
repair
its impossible to seperate cartoon animals from furry
it would be near impossible to network enough people to form a second
fandom with stricter social controls, or at least an attitude/outlook
that would end up being more stable
all i can do is sit back and hope the next few waves of fans are
"normal" enough to drown out this lunatic wave from the early-mid
nineties
but as furry's reputation gets worse and more widespread...guess what?
the less sane people are going to want ANYTHING at all to do with
furry
what a goddamn shame
MHirtes
"Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Get a load of this guy! How is it that the guy who puts more effort flipping
> out about furries isn't as crazy as a furry? Who's more fucked up? gays, or
> Fred Phelps with his GODHATESFAGS signs? You are aware that furry fandom is
> becoming more mainstream, regardless of how many freaks join it, aren't you?
More mainstream? Oh yeah, that's a laugh. Dream on, funny boy.
>
> Let me explain something. In a few short years, the amount of people
> attending these cons has about quadrupled.
Freakiness has a way of attracting likewise. After several years of
Merlino's agenda, it's no shock to see the genre getting more and more
mutants who hear about it. That's why it's a perverted shadow of it's
former self, and why the media cannot help but to talk about furry.
> There's probably more freaks now
> than there ever have been. But what is ALSO true is that the PROPORTION has
> changed. And it has changed away from the fringe, and more towards the
> mainstream, because the mainstream makes more money.
Actually, the freaks have become the norm simply because they've taken
over the genre and chased out all the REAL fans.
> it's still fringey, but
> it's way less focused. There's far more teenagers who want to do clean art,
> there's art selling at the art shows that is of professional quality, that
> appeals to people outside the fandom as a whole, there's people who are
> generally attracted to the less bizarre aspects of the subculture. There's
> new blood, and the reason there's exposes is because it's a brand new thing,
> and it's interesting to producers. It's news. NEW. Do you understand? It
> makes good copy, it's visually arresting (fursuits and all that) and it
> fills up some time on cable channels. I want that CSI show to go on the air,
> even if it is negative, because there really is no such thing as bad
> publicity.
Just remember that the next time you hear some people talking about
"those freaks in costume that were on that TV show last night".
> The more exposue furry gets, the more people join it.
No, the more MUTANTS join it. Goobo Gobbo.
> The more
> people join it, the more mainstream it becomes.
Hate to tell you, but the idea of the first furry president of the USA
won't be happening in your lifetime, or anyone else's, ever.
> You can believe whatever you
> want,
Okay, I will. Good thing my POV is the majority one.
> but unfortuantely, I also have a brain, and I've been to cons
> recently, and I simply do not see the things you claim to see. You see
> dysfunctional loons, I see creative and talented people with a tight sense
> of community. Maybe you were hanging out in the wrong crowd.
There's only one crowd of furrydom.
>
> I'm not worried about freaks, because I actually pay attention, and think
> critically about this stuff. And the real wierdos are being drowned out by
> people who basically just like goofing off in costume and buying stuff and
> doing all the stuff every other fandom does. I've had exactly one bad
> experience with someone who associated my being a furry with being a twisted
> freako.
Good perception that person must have.
> She was a former boss of mine, and was off of her anti-psychotic
> medication at the time,
Oh sure. ANYone who doesn't embrace furry is just a loon. Uh huh.
Suuuuuure.
> and was fired for that statement, among a couple
> other things. So even my company backed me up!
What company was that? A buttplug factory?
MHirtes
"slickpuppy" <slick...@xecu.net> wrote:
> Heya! "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> > I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
> > messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
> > dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
> > up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
> >
> > And when that blessed day comes of Furry Fandom's eventual demise, *I*
> > want to be the one that tamps down the dirt over it's grave.
>
> Whoo! Mikey, Mikey...I *want* to feel sorry for you, my word to God I do.
> But that marvelous, uniquie blend of vitriol and raw silliness you spew
> makes it so damn difficult!
Spend some time from my POV and experience with the furries, and you'll
wonder why you haven't rolled a barrel of VX into a fur com yet.
Of course, nuking them from orbit is the only way to be sure.
> Just so we're on the same page: Your twisted screeds and your bile don't
> bother me in the slightest. In fact, they amuse me greatly. You're a sad,
> funny little man who I really can't take seriously on any level. Hell,
> *Wayd* is often more reasonable and intelligent in his rants than you are!
Just speaking from the heart.
>
> I don't expect this will take, but I sometimes feel the need to remind you
> that almost nobody here gives a damn about your nonsense.
And the big news to you obviously is, I don't give a shit what you or
the other skunkfuckers think either. Right now, I'm just here to have a
hearty belly-laugh at Groat and to remind you that thanks to the
producers of C.S.I., your yiffiness doesn't mean squat out in the real
world.
> You're not furry
> fandom.
Duh gee. How'd you guess that.
> You have no good will banked, you have no pull, your opinion is all
> but completely valueless.
And yet, you guys attract the media like flies to shit. Go chew on that.
> And every good, solid, intelligent and likable
> memeber of this community is worth a thousand of you. Jim Groat has his
> problems like everyone, but he's a smart and talented guy,
We'll see, So far, he keeps messing himself up because he puts his
bitchy horse comixs about the needs of his own family or job. Oh, the
times Jim would make fun of George for getting fired for doing the same
thing, and here Jim is, in the same boat while George is actually
improving himself now that he's no longer allowing people like Groat to
victimise him anymore.
> and a many times
> the human being you'll ever be.
Riiiiiiiight.
> As are Mike & Carole Curtis, Jim Hardiman,
> Bill Holbrook, Dr. Samuel Conway, Terrie Smith, most members of this group,
> and any number of other fine people who you demonize or convenintly ignore.
And yet, out in the REAL world, those names tend to amount for Jack Shit.
>
> You don't matter, Mike. You're funny, and kind of interesting in the same
> manner as a road accident or a creepy exotic insect. But you don't matter.
And you........do?
> And the people who do will go moving right along with barely any notice of
> you. But by all means, keep on spewing! We're only human, and a little
> schadenfreude makes the day a little lighter. :}
Nice spin. Too bad C.S.I. is still going to air, no matter what teh
furries can do to influence it (NOW who's opinion doesn't matter, eh?).
MHirtes
Swipecat <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote:
> MHirtes <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> >I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
> >messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
> >dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
> >up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
>
> Mike, don't you realise that is sociopathic be definition?
No. It's just basking in watching you guys get your's. Pure & simple.
>
> Look, I'm being serious now. You are doing damage to yourself by hanging
> around here. It's obvious to all of us that you have now got yourself
> into a shocking mental state. You've now got to the point that you have
> no idea just how strange your posts look.
Now, watch me not give a fuck.
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
Hey, I've seen trekkies getting creeped out whenever a furry walks into
the room.
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
Oh, really?
"And have you noticed that since Wayd hates us now, he still calls
himself
WaydWOLF?
John Shughart"
MHirtes
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
It's also a new one for the media. For years, they've been talking about
the sick sad lifestyles of teh furee. Now, they finally get to delve
into what I personally have seen to be it's vicious, nasty, cruel side.
DishRoom1
>I am responsible. I'm smart, and I protect myself. Apparently you equate
>repressed and afraid of life with responsible. Don't drink, don't smoke,
>don't smoke a joint, don't have sex unless you're married and it's with your
>quiet and suggestible wife in the missionary position with the lights off
>and the bible next to the bed.
Being responsible can give one a happy life, not afriad or "repressed". I never
smoked, never had drugs, never had alcohol to drink, I'm deliberatly a virgin
and yet I'm alive and well. And I see no harm in holding off sex till marrige.
Some couples who do that are happy and loving to each other, such as my
parents.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
I wrote --
That's different. I wasn't the first to call him "Waydwolf". He did it one his
own. On the other hand, you called Swipecat "Cat's Wipe", not he himself.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
>I'm not worried about freaks, because I actually pay attention, and think
>critically about this stuff. And the real wierdos are being drowned out by
>people who basically just like goofing off in costume and buying stuff and
>doing all the stuff every other fandom does. I've had exactly one bad
>experience with someone who associated my being a furry with being a twisted
>freako. She was a former boss of mine, and was off of her anti-psychotic
>medication at the time, and was fired for that statement, among a couple
>other things. So even my company backed me up!
I fell sorry for former employer, but I'm glad that the company protected you.
"So this guy likes cartoon animals. Big deal. It doesn't affect his performance
at the job."
John Shughart
slickpuppy
Heya! "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
> > You don't matter, Mike. You're funny, and kind of interesting in the
same
> > manner as a road accident or a creepy exotic insect. But you don't
matter.
>
> And you........do?
*shrug* A debateable question, true. But I'll tell you this: I have friends,
family and people who love me. I have a tolerable and productive job that
nets me a comfy living. I have a middling talent for art, which makes people
smile, gives me a certain ammount of recognition and satisfaction, and
provides me with pizza money from the occasional commission. And I have any
number of little hobbies, interests and time-fillers in my life, none of
which involve puking all over Usenet like Linda Blair and slow-cooking my
own blood pressure while making an obnoxious, pitiful ass of myself.
How about you, sir?
Akai
"slickpuppy" <slick...@xecu.net> wrote in message
news:UpOdb.419$9M1.1...@news.abs.net...
>
> Heya! "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> > > You don't matter, Mike. You're funny, and kind of interesting in the
> same
> > > manner as a road accident or a creepy exotic insect. But you don't
> matter.
> >
> > And you........do?
>
> *shrug* A debateable question, true. But I'll tell you this: I have
friends,
> family and people who love me. I have a tolerable and productive job that
> nets me a comfy living. I have a middling talent for art, which makes
people
> smile, gives me a certain ammount of recognition and satisfaction, and
> provides me with pizza money from the occasional commission. And I have
any
> number of little hobbies, interests and time-fillers in my life, none of
> which involve puking all over Usenet like Linda Blair and slow-cooking my
> own blood pressure while making an obnoxious, pitiful ass of myself.
>
> How about you, sir?
It's well known that Mike Hirtes most certainly does *not* have a life. Many
entertaining stories out there about just how devoid of a job or social life
he is....just ask around.
--Akai
MHirtes
"slickpuppy" <slick...@xecu.net> wrote:
> Heya! "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
>
> > > You don't matter, Mike. You're funny, and kind of interesting in the
> same
> > > manner as a road accident or a creepy exotic insect. But you don't
> matter.
> >
> > And you........do?
>
> *shrug* A debateable question, true. But I'll tell you this: I have friends,
> family and people who love me.
And all the other things you think you need to be fulfilled.
Doesn't help your ass much when your six feet under and nothing but
Maggot Chow, eh?
MHirtes
"Akai" <ak...@teleport.com> wrote:
Ask Groat especially. He sure seems to have a lot of free time these
days himself. LOL!
Akai
"MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote in message
news:mihirtes-6A7D80...@news.central.cox.net...
He is by far more entertaining than you.
--Akai
Wanderer
<snip>
> Okay, I will. Good thing my POV is the majority one.
>
<snip>
Sorry to disappoint you, Hirtful one, but... no. When I attended MFM2002,
we had a lot of people stopping by to check things out. Some stayed and
bought comics, some stayed and talked with the artists, several wanted to
know where I got my tail.
When I went up Mt. Rainier wearing my tail, I got friendly smiles and
friendlier words. (And one sneaky Asian-American mother [literal] telling
her son a little fib about it... funny story.;) I had the security guard at
my last writers' convention ask where *he* could get a tail like mine, and a
sweet little girl said she liked it. (Ah, if she'd only been a lot
older...;)
We're not freaks, geeks, dweebs or whatever your "cool word" is this minute.
We're furries... fans of cartoon animal characters. We all like different
cartoons, and some of us wish we could be animals. Some of us feel like we
*are* animals, inside. But what we are is: Fans of cartoon animals.
I can't wait for CSI, when they mention how much a fursuit costs, and the
guy killed has a high-paying job in electronics...
So you're a majority of one, Mr. Hirtes. Right up there with Rev. Wildmon
and the Unabomber. Congratulations on joining the Lunatic Fringe, and I
hope you enjoy your stay.
Yours with a wolfish smirk,
The proud-to-be-a-furry,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Keeshah
>
>
> Actually, the freaks have become the norm simply because they've taken
> over the genre and chased out all the REAL fans.
Please define who and what is a REAL furry fan?
Swipecat
Sure, you can be happy either way. I guess I'm half-way. I don't smoke
or do drugs though, because from my own research on the subject, I
believe that their long-term downside greatly outweighs their short-term
pleasure. I'll admit that I tried a joint on one of my occasional visits
to Amsterdam, but it just made me sick :(
--
Swipecat
Swipecat
>It's well known that Mike Hirtes most certainly does *not* have a life. Many
>entertaining stories out there about just how devoid of a job or social life
>he is....just ask around.
It's unfortunate that he can't grasp that his problems are essentially
self-inflicted. It looks as though he projects his sociopathic attitude
onto others, and as a result, he fails to recognise that his own
behaviour is abberrant and is the source of his problems.
--
Swipecat
Wanderer
> In article <E8Jdb.412$9M1.1...@news.abs.net>,
> "slickpuppy" <slick...@xecu.net> wrote:
>
> > As are Mike & Carole Curtis, Jim Hardiman,
> > Bill Holbrook, Dr. Samuel Conway, Terrie Smith, most members of this
group,
> > and any number of other fine people who you demonize or convenintly
ignore.
>
> And yet, out in the REAL world, those names tend to amount for Jack Shit.
>
To fill in your blank expression, O hirtfully clueless one:
Bill Holbrook: Author and artist of Kevin and Kell (online), On the
Fastrack (published), Safe Havens (published). Happily married to a
beautiful woman who's also a published author.
Dr. Samuel Conway: By con a fur named Uncle Kage. In everyday life, a
trained professional of genetic studies. (That's not an *honorary*
doctorate, y'know!) (I don't know his private life too well.)
Mike & Carole Curtis: Proprietors of a successful comic publishing house,
partially supported by their own mature-themed comic. Also put out "Zebra
Comics", a black-and-white by Carl Gafford. (Since you won't know who he
is, I'll list what he's worked on: Mars Attacks (the cards, not the film),
Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew, DC Comics, Marvel Comics...)
Terrie Smith: Successful illustrator, currently working on projects for
three companies. (And really good! Bookmark the site...)
Jim Hardiman: Okay, I can't like *all* of them... he's the genius behind
the mature-themed Skunkworks comics, and their creation. Not my cup of
cocoa, but...
Ladies and Gentlefurs, we may now consider MHirtes to be informed and
dangerous... to himself.:>
Yours with a smile,
The websearching,
MHirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote in message
> news:mihirtes-224A27...@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <E8Jdb.412$9M1.1...@news.abs.net>,
> > "slickpuppy" <slick...@xecu.net> wrote:
> >
> > > As are Mike & Carole Curtis, Jim Hardiman,
> > > Bill Holbrook, Dr. Samuel Conway, Terrie Smith, most members of this
> group,
> > > and any number of other fine people who you demonize or convenintly
> ignore.
> >
> > And yet, out in the REAL world, those names tend to amount for Jack Shit.
> >
>
> To fill in your blank expression, O hirtfully clueless one:
>
> Bill Holbrook: Author and artist of Kevin and Kell (online), On the
> Fastrack (published), Safe Havens (published). Happily married to a
> beautiful woman who's also a published author.
Okay. So?
>
> Dr. Samuel Conway: By con a fur named Uncle Kage. In everyday life, a
> trained professional of genetic studies. (That's not an *honorary*
> doctorate, y'know!) (I don't know his private life too well.)
Okay. So?
>
> Mike & Carole Curtis: Proprietors of a successful comic publishing house,
> partially supported by their own mature-themed comic. Also put out "Zebra
> Comics", a black-and-white by Carl Gafford. (Since you won't know who he
> is, I'll list what he's worked on: Mars Attacks (the cards, not the film),
> Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew, DC Comics, Marvel Comics...)
Okay. So? (see a pattern yet?)
>
> Terrie Smith: Successful illustrator, currently working on projects for
> three companies. (And really good! Bookmark the site...)
When she gets her first movie deal, then we'll see.
>
> Jim Hardiman: Okay, I can't like *all* of them... he's the genius behind
> the mature-themed Skunkworks comics, and their creation. Not my cup of
> cocoa, but...
All of these have bearling mostly WITHIN furry fandom. OUTSIDE of it
however, they still have to pay for their groceries like everyone else.
MHirtes
Swipecat <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote:
> "Akai" <ak...@teleport.com> wrote:
>
> >It's well known that Mike Hirtes most certainly does *not* have a life. Many
> >entertaining stories out there about just how devoid of a job or social life
> >he is....just ask around.
>
> It's unfortunate that he can't grasp that his problems are essentially
> self-inflicted.
You mean like playing hookey from a job to go to some furry cons?
MHirtes
Keeshah <Kee...@gbronline.com> wrote:
Well, biggest case example is Mark Merlino: NOT a real fan. Just a
screeching fag who tried to turn furry fandom into a freakshow/personal
butt party (and was largely successful at it too, by the looks of it).
Need any others?
Swipecat
>MHirtes wrote --
>
>>"And have you noticed that since Wayd hates us now, he still calls
>>himself
>>WaydWOLF?
>>John Shughart"
>
>That's different. I wasn't the first to call him "Waydwolf". He did it one his
>own. On the other hand, you called Swipecat "Cat's Wipe", not he himself.
Heh. Actually, I don't mind. Although he seems to have suffered from a
failure of the imagination since he didn't call me scat-wipe or
caw-spite or sap-twice. Personally I'd prefer swat-epic or wasp-cite.
--
Swipecat
MHirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote in message
> news:mihirtes-B8F137...@news.central.cox.net...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Okay, I will. Good thing my POV is the majority one.
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, Hirtful one, but... no. When I attended MFM2002,
> we had a lot of people stopping by to check things out. Some stayed and
> bought comics, some stayed and talked with the artists, several wanted to
> know where I got my tail.
Do you see any of them coming back? No? Didn't think so either.
>
> When I went up Mt. Rainier wearing my tail, I got friendly smiles and
> friendlier words. (And one sneaky Asian-American mother [literal] telling
> her son a little fib about it... funny story.;) I had the security guard at
> my last writers' convention ask where *he* could get a tail like mine, and a
> sweet little girl said she liked it. (Ah, if she'd only been a lot
> older...;)
If they knew about fursuitsex.com, I'm sure they would have some
different POV's about you.
>
> We're not freaks, geeks, dweebs or whatever your "cool word" is this minute.
Currently, the word is "ass goblin" today. That OK with you?
> We're furries... fans of cartoon animal characters.
In the beginning, maybe. But not any longer.
> We all like different
> cartoons, and some of us wish we could be animals. Some of us feel like we
> *are* animals, inside.
And some want to be animals that are INSIDE other animals. Bleagh!
> But what we are is: Fans of cartoon animals.
Like I said, in the beginning, maybe. Those halcion days are long since
gone, I'm afraid. Now it's all about the "skritching".
>
> I can't wait for CSI, when they mention how much a fursuit costs, and the
> guy killed has a high-paying job in electronics...
And yet has to wear a fuzzy jumpsuit in order to get a hard-on.
You know, Ted Kazynski was a mathematician. That tells you something.
>
> So you're a majority of one, Mr. Hirtes. Right up there with Rev. Wildmon
> and the Unabomber. Congratulations on joining the Lunatic Fringe, and I
> hope you enjoy your stay.
I plan to enjoy every bit of the reality check you goons will get at the
hands of the media, although I know you're too stubborn and idiotic to
take the hint from it.
MHirtes
"Akai" <ak...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ask Groat especially. He sure seems to have a lot of free time these
> > days himself. LOL!
>
> He is by far more entertaining than you.
>
Yes, in that "Ronnie Dobbs" sort of way.
Wanderer
<snip capsule bios of famous furs>
>
> All of these have bearling mostly WITHIN furry fandom. OUTSIDE of it
> however, they still have to pay for their groceries like everyone else.
<shrug> Okay. So? They have good, productive lives.
Yours with a challenging look,
The disdainful,
MHirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "MHirtes" <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote in message
> news:mihirtes-4A22B4...@news.central.cox.net...
>
> <snip capsule bios of famous furs>
>
> >
> > All of these have bearling mostly WITHIN furry fandom. OUTSIDE of it
> > however, they still have to pay for their groceries like everyone else.
>
> <shrug> Okay. So? They have good, productive lives.
Keeping goblins like you happy? Not much of a "life".
Swipecat
>all i can do is sit back and hope the next few waves of fans are
>"normal" enough to drown out this lunatic wave from the early-mid
>nineties
>but as furry's reputation gets worse and more widespread...guess what?
>the less sane people are going to want ANYTHING at all to do with
>furry
>what a goddamn shame
OK, I can see where you're coming from now.
However, as you are aware, others on this group have pointed out that
the situation on-the-ground has improved considerably since the low
point of CF8, and I can assure you that really is true. The contrary
opinion comes from our reactionaries who are completely out of the loop,
now.
Many of the original artists have left, but you'd expect that since most
people will only hold a hobby for a few years. It's worth having a look
at our new artists because some of the new work is very good indeed.
The media perception does seem to get worse, and that is irritating, but
despite what you might expect, it seems to have had little affect on the
balance of people joining the fandom. The problems have been due to the
likes of Rick Castro of Plushies & Furries fame, who after getting
cold-shouldered at the cons spent *years* searching out people who would
behave foolishly in their own homes for his cameras. There is nothing on
God's Green Earth that could have been done to prevent that.
We'll have to try to manage the media situation and hope that it gets
better, but even if it doesn't, it's still of little consequence other
than the fact that you now need to be cautious of preconceptions when
telling people about your interest.
--
Swipecat
Dave The Dancing Hyena
wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>I'm more in favor of not protecting people from themselves.
Society is made up of all us, and is dependant on our co-operation.
United we stand, Divided we fall.
For example, A welfare safty net prevents people from falling out of
society, and rescues them to contribute more in the future.
If we are all have acess to (a free at point of use healthcare system
we will get less ill less often (like vacinations), And productiivty
will increase etc, as people do not have to pay APU, therefore will be
more likely to use it etc.
It's basic economics and long term thinking. Whereas what you suggest
would result in the long term collapse of civil society.
>Mess yourself up
>as much as you like, I couldn't care less. Take anyone else down with you
>and -then- I'd get involved. We don't need a nanny state.
There is no such thing as the "nanny State", it's nothing more than a
Chimera used by the right wing to attack progressive social policy.
---
Sample:
[1. "And at the gates the trumpets rang."]
[2. "This is my hour. Do you not know death when you see it ... die now!"]
Dave The Dancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>What's rather hasty? You don't know a thing about me! It leads to bad
>consequences because you're not smart about it. Because I'm pro booze
>doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro- drinking and driving, or pro-heroin.
What do you mean when you say you are pro-booze?
Do you mean you think it's ok for brewery corperatations to go
advertiseing their products aimed at children or that (since
corperations cannot be trusted to regulate themselves) we should
restrict and regulate the alchohold industry in order to prevent that
kind of thing.
>I thought we all learned this in junior high. Safe sex, people! This is not
>brain surgery, most other countries teach it earlier than we do.
>
>> One must preach a culture of responsibility and organisation in order
>> that negative consequences be reduced.
>I am responsible. I'm smart, and I protect myself. Apparently you equate
>repressed and afraid of life with responsible. Don't drink, don't smoke,
Jumping to conclusions eh?
I suggest the erstwhile doctor heals himself.
Also, Smokeing kills you, In case you didn't know.
>don't smoke a joint, d
Smoking kills you, Drugs can damage you, Indeed smokeing is acutally
worse for you than cocaine I belive, thus out of consistency we should
make ciggettes illegal.
And please don't go whineing about choice, There is no choice in
smokeing. It's an addictive drug, Simple as that.
>on't have sex unless you're married and it's with your
>quiet and suggestible wife in the missionary position with the lights off
>and the bible next to the bed.
Where did I say that?
>> If that ultimately must end with the goverment governing certain
>> aspects of how we interact with other people and laying down the law
>> about certain sexual practices (and it must). Then so be it.
>
>
>The government already does this. No murder, no assault, no rape, no stat
>rape, no battery.
True, But instead of legalisation by omission, We should rather have
legalisation through sanction for such things as it may be appropriate
for. There is already such precedant in such things as the age of
consent.
>But if you're got to tell me with a straight face that I can't have sex with
>whichever consenting adult I choose, in the manner in which I choose, as it
Where did I say that?
>harms no others, I'm afraid I'm going to have to show you the writing on the
>wall. This country is going my way, not your way.
If your way includes John Ashcroft, Then yes... It is going your way.
Also, that statement makes you come across as being both petulant and
arrogant.
I should also point out to you that history is not linear, it is not a
straught march into the word of tommrrow, Rather it ducks and weaves
and sometimes, Two steps forwards mean 3 steps back.
Matt Harpold
> > Get a load of this guy! How is it that the guy who puts more effort
flipping
> > out about furries isn't as crazy as a furry? Who's more fucked up? gays,
or
> > Fred Phelps with his GODHATESFAGS signs? You are aware that furry fandom
is
> > becoming more mainstream, regardless of how many freaks join it, aren't
you?
>
> More mainstream? Oh yeah, that's a laugh. Dream on, funny boy.
Just walk through the art show, man. Oh wait, that's right, it's all beneath
you, right? I forgot. By trolling usenet, somehow you know more about what
the con scene is like than someone who actually goes to the damn things.
>
> >
> > Let me explain something. In a few short years, the amount of people
> > attending these cons has about quadrupled.
>
> Freakiness has a way of attracting likewise.
Of course. So who are all these reasonable normal people who enjoy the
fandom that show up? Who are all these people I see year after year at cons?
Do I dream them up? Oh wait, that's right, they're all actually freaks,
because some guy on usenet says so.
Well, go ahead, say so!
>After several years of
> Merlino's agenda, it's no shock to see the genre getting more and more
> mutants who hear about it. That's why it's a perverted shadow of it's
> former self, and why the media cannot help but to talk about furry.
And what exactly was its former self? Is this where you pull some fandom
revisionism and try and convince me that one guy invented the whole idea of
furry as a fetish? Go ahead and tell it to me. You've probably told it to
dozens or hundreds of others. But it's bullshit. If it wasn't one guy's
agenda, it'd be anothers. It's an easy thing to fetishize, it's no big
stretch. People fetishize everything under the sun.
> > There's probably more freaks now
> > than there ever have been. But what is ALSO true is that the PROPORTION
has
> > changed. And it has changed away from the fringe, and more towards the
> > mainstream, because the mainstream makes more money.
>
> Actually, the freaks have become the norm simply because they've taken
> over the genre and chased out all the REAL fans.
This oughta be good. Hook me up, dude! Tell me the line. What constitutes a
real fan? Above a certain age? Below a certain percentage of porny furry art
that one enjoys? Or did you have to attend some specific con? Or do you just
have to be one of those people who talks about how cool it was "back in the
day"? Let me guess, you can't show any enthusiasm for it now, because it's
just not cool anymore, right? Being earnest about anything is never cool.
Because I've never heard that line before, no sir. I didn't hear it when old
sci-fans bitch about the kids and their Star Wars, I didn't hear it from
aging punks, and I didn't hear it from Seattle club goers in the 90's
Didn't hear it at all.
> > it's still fringey, but
> > it's way less focused. There's far more teenagers who want to do clean
art,
> > there's art selling at the art shows that is of professional quality,
that
> > appeals to people outside the fandom as a whole, there's people who are
> > generally attracted to the less bizarre aspects of the subculture.
There's
> > new blood, and the reason there's exposes is because it's a brand new
thing,
> > and it's interesting to producers. It's news. NEW. Do you understand? It
> > makes good copy, it's visually arresting (fursuits and all that) and it
> > fills up some time on cable channels. I want that CSI show to go on the
air,
> > even if it is negative, because there really is no such thing as bad
> > publicity.
>
> Just remember that the next time you hear some people talking about
> "those freaks in costume that were on that TV show last night".
I just don't get any static, man. It's hot air, it's a persecution complex.
Other lud furries on Usenet like yourself have bought the line. it's good to
feel persecuted, because then you can band together, pull out the
us-versus-them line. That tired old saw. Most thinking critically minded
people, when confronted with same, understand that there's a gamut. I'm not
denying that there's wierdos. But hey, this is fandom. The wierdest people
I've EVER met weren't at furry cons! They were at standard sci-fi/fantasy
cons. Furries can't touch them by half. We just have more visible
components. Art and costuming will always beat say, slash writing, because
it's visual and easily digested.
But you want to bitch about furries so that's what you'll do. It's your gig,
so enjoy it. And you'll do it for a long time to come, and the rest of us
will enjoy the community, and occasionally peek on usenet, as I'm doing now.
"Is that MHirtes guy still there?"
"Yep."
"Still pissed off and rattling on about furries being freaks?"
"Oh hell yeah."
> > The more exposue furry gets, the more people join it.
>
> No, the more MUTANTS join it. Goobo Gobbo.
You're a funny guy, give yourself a round of applause.
> > The more
> > people join it, the more mainstream it becomes.
>
> Hate to tell you, but the idea of the first furry president of the USA
> won't be happening in your lifetime, or anyone else's, ever.
Well, no shit, sparky. And not to mention the first Klingon president, or
the first skatepunk president, or the first goth president, or the first SCA
president, or the first punk president...
When I say mainstream, I don't mean mainstream like Mom and Apple Pie (tm) I
mean more mainstream than it was last year, and closer to more established
groups of wierdos like anime and sci-fi fans. There's simply not that many
furries, but there's still new blood. I remember some guy who was the
equivalent of you a couple years ago, on this very usenet, was flipping out
because there was no new blood, that Furry would just get more and more
freaky because the core would get older and older. And lo, an insurgency of
teenagers started to discover Furry, and that's no longer a problem. Now the
problem is that it's big enough that it's breached that threshold of
mainstream novelty so that TV shows like ER and CSI can do a riff on it.
But somehow, national media attention makes furry LESS mainstream? Check
yourself, pal.
>
> > You can believe whatever you
> > want,
>
> Okay, I will. Good thing my POV is the majority one.
Funny, I don't see the majority of people berating us. I see...you, and a
bunch of guys on Something Awful, and a few snarky people at Norwescon.
That's about it! Please, by all means, tell me the sky is falling some more.
I remember when I first started plinking about on AFF, years ago, there was
some guy like you. Then there was a different guy, also like you. And now we
have you, and maybe in a few years, there'll be another guy, like you. All
saying basically the same stuff, with varying degrees of insistence. You're
more of a smartass than the last couple guys, but I guess you just gotta
wave your arms more to be heard above the din.
You know what the majority POV is? You ready for it? Here it is:
"Huh?"
That's the majority POV. Because people don't give a shit. Most have never
even heard of it. Even if they have seen something in the media, their
response is limited to "Huh. Wierd." Occasionally furry'll get one or two
lines in some hipster alt weekly. Generally a zing, to be sure. But then
they move on to the next one-liner. But that's not that exiciting, and
there's nothing to complain about, right? Can't get anyone to pay attention
to you that way! Much more fun to wear the sandwich board and holler for
people to repent.
This is why moderates don't get radio talk shows. The guy with the rational
point of view is the most boring guy in the world.
Really, the biggest enemies of furry are other geeks. Geeks need their
pecking order, see. And geeks are VERY aware of furry, because all geeks are
aware of other similar subcultures. The goths hate the ravers hate the star
wars fans hate the star trek fans hate the anime fans hate the furries....
and on and on it goes.
>
> > but unfortuantely, I also have a brain, and I've been to cons
> > recently, and I simply do not see the things you claim to see. You see
> > dysfunctional loons, I see creative and talented people with a tight
sense
> > of community. Maybe you were hanging out in the wrong crowd.
>
> There's only one crowd of furrydom.
When I stop laughing, I'll address that. Hell, the age gap alone divides the
whole scene down the middle. Wake up and smell the Tria markers.
>> Oh sure. ANYone who doesn't embrace furry is just a loon. Uh huh.
> Suuuuuure.
>
> > and was fired for that statement, among a couple
> > other things. So even my company backed me up!
>
> What company was that? A buttplug factory?
Not going to say, but I can assure you it's terribly boring.
Listen, you seem to have a cool thing going here, milking attention and
selling your line to people. I'll stop distracting you with my terribly
boring moderate views. You've got no use for me, I know. Hopefully you'll
find a way to make money off this thing you do, sell your story as a book or
something. Maybe get on one of those shows you complain about. Otherwise,
the capitalist in me asks, what's the point? I suppose there's always the
love of a good spectacle.
-Matt/Turbine
Matt Harpold
> and the Unabomber. Congratulations on joining the Lunatic Fringe, and I
> hope you enjoy your stay.
>
I can always appreciate some Unabomber humor. ;-)
-Matt/Turb
Matt Harpold
> > Ok you have made this statement in two posts now..
> >
> > Please define who and what is a REAL furry fan?
>
> Well, biggest case example is Mark Merlino: NOT a real fan. Just a
> screeching fag who tried to turn furry fandom into a freakshow/personal
> butt party (and was largely successful at it too, by the looks of it).
>
> Need any others?
Hey dipshit, he asked (I did as well) what a real fan IS, not what one
isn't. Jesus.
-Matt/Turb
Matt Harpold
> > As are Mike & Carole Curtis, Jim Hardiman,
> > Bill Holbrook, Dr. Samuel Conway, Terrie Smith, most members of this
group,
> > and any number of other fine people who you demonize or convenintly
ignore.
>
> And yet, out in the REAL world, those names tend to amount for Jack Shit.
Nobody's name amounts for jack shit in the 'real world', unless they're a
politician, a celebrity, or someone with loads of money. I will say that
Bill Holbrook has a nationally syndicated comic strip, which is pretty
damned impressive.
So what have you done for us lately?
-Matt/Turb
Matt Harpold
> however, they still have to pay for their groceries like everyone else.
What are you actually saying? That furry fans need to be world renowned
celebrities? Seriously. I totally don't understand.
-Matt
Matt Harpold
>
> It's also a new one for the media. For years, they've been talking about
> the sick sad lifestyles of teh furee. Now, they finally get to delve
> into what I personally have seen to be it's vicious, nasty, cruel side.
How many posts do you rack up in a day? Just curious.
-Matt/Turb
Ken Pick
> Matt Harpold wrote --
> Makes you wonder then.. Hey, Hirtes, Wayd, if you hate us so much, why do still
> write in our newsgroups for? Doesn't make sense to go around in an newsgroup
> themed around something you hate.
Yes, it does. If they weren't here spouting off, no one would pay
them any attention and they'd be all all alone in their basement.
Even being hated is still getting attention.
Ken Pick
> I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
> messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
> dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
> up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
Hirtes is no longer human. He has become an Orc.
There is nothing left of his personality except hatred and bitterness,
like some bitter old man who is obsessed with making the whole world
pay because his life has turned out shitty.
> And when that blessed day comes of Furry Fandom's eventual demise, *I*
> want to be the one that tamps down the dirt over it's grave.
Ever heard of the German word "Schadenfreude"? Creaming your pants
with glee over the disaster and misery of others? Well, this is it.
Ken Pick
> In article <dqlenvguqfgoielm9...@4ax.com>,
> Swipecat <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote:
>
> > MHirtes <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
> >
> > >I *WANT* you guys to suffer. I *WANT* to be the one to remind you how
> > >messed up you are. I *WANT* to be the one that goes "HAH HAHH!" and
> > >dances like a crazed leprechaun every time one of you goofballs messes
> > >up (Hi Jim), as you always do.
> >
>
> No. It's just basking in watching you guys get your's. Pure & simple.
i.e. Either Schadenfreude, jacking off, or a mix of both.
And with his KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS fake domain name, looks like Mikie
has joined the Bush-Stole-the-Election-tinfoil-hat Brigade. Either
that or he knows who signs his welfare/disability checks.
Ken Pick
> "Swipecat" <dfar...@furriesERASETHIS.info> wrote in message
> news:05hbnvoucjjiaacoa...@4ax.com...
> > MHirtes <mihi...@KILL.ALL.REPUBLICANS.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Fact still remains. A dead furry. Already, the show makes me happy. :)
> >
> > Hey Mike, when are you next going to lament how furries always run you
> > down? And how you've absolutely no idea why that should be?
>
> Of course he has no idea, Swipecat. The dipshit is psycologically incapable
> of seeing anything bad about himself...
Funny how that happens when your entire Cosmos is only big enough for
yourself and nobody or nothing else. Just like the lunatic fringe of
furries who can't wait to strut their stuff on MTV or Vanity Fair...
That's why Hirtes hates them so much. They're just like him (only
seen in the mirror) and he does not share his universe with anyone.
mouse
yea im sure they are out of the loop, but if things are that much
better than why is the media not allowed back in ?
they last they saw was all the freaky shit, then all the cons are
closed to the public
so what, you just wanna leave it all to thier imaginations whats going
on inside?
"the media cant be trusted" ..so fucking what .. if they lie about
something or make something up ..thats thier problem
do you realize how bad it is when a news source loses credibility ?
if media is let in and they then make sure its well documented that
they did that (although theres the little issue that now furries deny
everything even when its true ..so any denial about a story coming
from furries is going to sound like bullshit - thats another fine
predicament that furry has managed to get itself into)
its a catch-22 everywhere you look for a way out
anthrocon seems like its not that bad ..that florida convention that
those pawpets guys were doing - that was totally restrictd to
g-pg-rated content wasnt it? i mean that would be a good one to let
the media in, but unfortunatly now, the media would have to create
something bad about it because if they are sent to cover a furry
convention its gonna be for "bizarre sex" article
plus i get the impression that those pawpets guys are terrified of
having thier reputation tarnished so im not surprised they keep away
from media and stuff
furry also makes no effort to build bridges to other communities
so it becomes more isolated and more fucked up
these guys that try to sell furry comics and regular comic conventions
are doing the right thing...the ones that set up panels at sci-fi cons
i mean if a furry comic is really good, ya furries will like it - but
furries will also liek mediocre furry comics...why wouldnt something
really good try to be promoted to general public - who cares if it
doesnt succeed..theres no effort and thats worse
otherwise your just going to wind up with a fandom that isnt welcome
anywhere..which is practically becoming a reality as it is
just wait till hotels decide to start cancelling contracts with these
conventions
i think it would have been better if all these new furry cons that
popped up this last year INSTEAD worked on getting furry stuff in
already existing non-furry conventions
the problems are not going to solve themselves, furries themselves
have to actively do something about it ...i see very few attempting to
do that
this fandom has been around since the 80's and there is no central
'fandom news' type of zine or anythign like that like other groups
have
its ridiculous
theres hardly any part ofthe fandom that carries any real known
credibility with anyone
no main resource that the media would go to , no 'pillars of the
community'
so instead when they go to foxwolfie or ostrich , who gonna dispute
that that is what furry is about ? the fandom has no long history to
show that that isnt the case
most of the time theres nothing worth talking about anyway
look when the furry news-sites get interesting - when furry fandoms
gets totally trashed by some media entity, thats the only time people
discuss the fandom ...and it hasnt been intelligent discussion since
the burned furs were around (and even then it didnt look good)
other than that its all filler in between