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bart bervoets

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Aug 24, 2004, 1:55:20 PM8/24/04
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That despite all the crap being told about me on the net, and the mega long
thread in this group, i
still have to see the first real evidence, other then the "i know a friend
who says", "someone i know
heard from someone he knows", "my friend says that he knows...", and so on,
of all things i am
accused of.

Of course i had (and maybe even have) some personal problems, but who not?
Be honest, a lot people look weird at others who might behave a bitt of
standard limits, be it gay
or lesbian people, transsexuals, people with loads of tattoos and/or
piercings...

Furry is surely off for a lot people, i told people that i want to look like
a large cat, even through surgery.
The look on their faces is priceless.
Wearing fursuits as well, unless you work at an amusement park or something.
So what? fursuits rock, who cares what the neighbours think about them.

On a more personal note, i am not a criminal or such, what Nanaki-Lion
claims, that i have a big
criminal record in Belgium is nothing more then pure slander.
I invite everybody who wants to in taking a trip with me to the police
station to obtain a dated
copy of my criminal record.
Then you will see it's blank.

I ask everybody to stop the slander campaign against me, especially the
people who never met me
but find it neccesary to jump onto the rumor.
Grow up, i admit that i had problems and made mistake, but not "those" kind
of mistakes.

And that some people jump on it just out of being jealous, jealous because i
had the luck to work
with large cats, that's pathetic.
Yes, i hugged lioncubs, caracals, had cheetahs sleep in my room, lioncubs in
my bed...
But so can you, you just have to get up, shut down your computer or use it
to find a wildlife job
somewhere.
Or jump a plane to Africa just ike i did, it's not "easy" but with some
searching i am sure you find
a position.

Please take the time to read the net about me, and then ask yourself, can a
person do this without
getting jailed for life?
Sure i was jailed, it's no art to get someone arrested for staling if you
tell him you go inside to get
your stuff and then call the cops and make a false claim, together with
false witnesses.
THAT is a criminal act, and if the police would have found out, a straight
ticket to jail.

I have absolutely NO intention to physically or mentally harm anyone, rape
or stalk or get involved
in any other criminal activity.
The bans at conventions are there for only one purpose, and that is to make
sure i can not proove
myself in public, so the rumors can go on.
How pathetic.

Stop the petty revenge and allow me to show myself for what i really am, all
i want is ONE meet,
and if then people think i am bad, i will leave fandom, forever.
Until then, i will always be around, no matter what happens.
Think about it, it's not much asked.

And yes, i still hope to become a large cat.
Someday soon i hope.

Sunnylion AKA Nekobe


GoldAnthroWolf

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Aug 24, 2004, 3:36:54 PM8/24/04
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I seriously and deeply from the chunk of coal I call a heart disbelive that
there's this horrendous conspiracy to ruin your speciffic life. I highly
doubt that atleast 2 con presidents, thats I've read about, would simply
ban you from attending their cons without sufficient reasoning. Considering
the amount of crap that has surfaced about you, even if a small percentage
is true and the rest of it's pure bunk, then others have had serious concern
to call you a whacko.

Personally I've met or know about a few of the people who've writting
negativly about you, or know them through someone else. I highly doubt
people would go to THAT much trouble to collect info about you if you
weren't a threat to there own well-being.

As I point to, http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_600928349 and
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_600931451 either you had a
sudden bout of insanity, or someone posted under your name, but the net does
not lie and you can't FAKE a newgroup post so far in the past. I could go on
with these links if you'd like, your own words are proof enough of your
posturing on the Internet.

Perhaps you've had some councilling, medication, to improve your previous
insanity and social ineptitude, who knows! But untill the day I meet you in
person, which I hope I actually never do, my oppinion of you still lies at
the bottom of the proverbial barrel and will remain that way.

And to keep this fair, I've emailed you this directly as well as post to the
newsgroup.
--
------
Alan Kennedy - The GoldAnthroWolf, known as TriGem Olandarinse.

-Contact-
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MSN:....GoldAnthroWolf(at)hotmail(dot)com
Yahoo:..GoldAnthroWolf
AIM:....GoldAnthroWolf

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http://www.livejournal.com/users/trigem/


bart bervoets

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Aug 24, 2004, 4:37:49 PM8/24/04
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Hello,

I know those postings you show, those are used quite often against me, but
both are fake.
I think my ex mate knows more about this, but prooving it...
He had all chance to do it, as he was living with me, and sharing the
network.
So, IP adress, provider..., it matches all, but it was honestly not me
posting it.
I wished i could proove it, but sadly i can't.
Please take this from me, those posts are not from me.
Yours

Sunnylion

GoldAnthroWolf <goldant...@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Wanderer

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Aug 24, 2004, 4:17:58 PM8/24/04
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Dear Mr. Bervoets:

As I stated, the items I linked to are from *the people you offended*. Not
"friend of a friend", or anything remotely similar; these are
first-generation documents. Argue with them if you like, but they're still
not FOAF-ery.

In any event, if you still have the funding offer from that circus, I'll
find you another plastic surgeon. It's been some time, so the last one may
or may not still be willing.

Yours with a desire to research,

The wolfish,

Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com

"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne


bart bervoets

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Aug 24, 2004, 7:13:30 PM8/24/04
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Hello,

I decided to reply in public on this, as most people will be interested in
this topic.
What i wondered about, you gave me an adress back then, i did contacted
those people
and mailed them my pictures, but they never got back to me, so that is why i
thought you made
fun about me, if not, it is my duty to apologise here.
Second is the mistake of the circus, there was never a circus sponsoring, i
have no idea how you
come on that, but i assume you were confused with the fact i did backstage
work at a circus in
the past (light and sound).
However, yes, i am still interested in anything you come across that might
be helpful, and if you are
so far, please forward it to stalkingcat as well, he is seriously interested
as well.
Stalkingcat's tattoo is not something i would have done, but i admit that he
is the first fur who
actually tried something instead of just waiting and waiting.
I think we all owe him our deepest respect for this.
At last, i also have a trace to a mexican hair specialist who claims he can
do fur, i keep an eye on
that as well.
Open to all suggestions.
Yours

Sunnylion AKA Nekobe
Wanderer <wand...@ticnet.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Marc

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Aug 24, 2004, 9:18:49 PM8/24/04
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Unfortunately for you, not only do some of us know exactly who you are,
but I did witness what you did at Anthrocon, in person, first hand. So
forget the hearsay stories.

What I know about you is not hearsay, because I had to talk to the King
of Prussia police officers and the folks you criminally harassed all
weekend. I wont mention the load of crap Kage had to go through, because
that would be 'hearsay'.

I was there the first night of the con when you harassed people in their
rooms. I talked to them, no hearsay. You beat several records; nobody
until you had caused so much trouble at Anthrocon in so short a time.

I'm also the same guy to whom you came to complain about being
'assaulted' at Anthrocon by a security staffer. If you had really been
assaulted and beaten up as you claimed by the guy you described, you
would not have been standing up.
He had to push you away when you were assaulting other guests. He showed
remarkable restraint, I would have arrested you on the spot and given
you to the Police right away for assault.

I am the same guy who followed the police you called to harass other
congoers in their rooms when you claimed they had drugs, after they
refused you access to their Private Room. That was petty revenge on your
part that involved the police for no reason.
And I'm and the same guy who listened when the second in command of
Anthrocon told you clearly what not to do less than an hour BEFORE you
called the police on those folks. You obviously did not listen to him.

I was right there, mister, less than a meter away from you.

You know something? I'm actually sorry for you. You need professional
help in an extremely bad way, and it is not the responsibility of the
fandom, or of convention staff, to give you that help.

Ostrich

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Aug 24, 2004, 11:24:52 PM8/24/04
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You know, when you posted the first time, I thought (and expressed
here) that perhaps you were making some effort to reform, and should
maybe be given another chance. Your second post proves that I was
mistaken. Eurofurence is quite correct to bar you, and I was a fool
to have thought otherwise.

--
-Ostrich! <")

bart bervoets

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Aug 25, 2004, 6:56:01 AM8/25/04
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Marc is just a friend of trixi.
No need to explain more, the page shows enough.
As for the rest, i am NOT planning to do any harm to anyone, not in any way,
mentally, physically
or otherwise.
If you believe what happened, the you can have all reasons to accept this as
being a "change
Ëffort to reform, ok, but if i get a chance to.
If you don't like what i post and your thoughts are based on that, then it's
just as wrong.
Again, i will NOT do any harm against anything, anyone or any convention.
But understand that a lot things told about me are either lies or deformed.
I don't say everything, but a large part.
If someone gives me another chance, he will soon see that i AM different
then what i was 4 years ago.
We all grow up, it just takes time.

Sunnylion
Ostrich <ost...@raex.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Allen Kitchen

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Aug 25, 2004, 8:37:34 AM8/25/04
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Nekobe,

I believe, deep in my heart that it is possible for people to change.
I've seen others change. I myself have changed. To say that the
leopard cannot change its spots is somewhat wrong - he can, but it
requires more than just spots.

For a person to change they must want to change. It has to come from
within, a desire born of heart and soul, not born of petty want. Few
people are beyond redemption. But before the leopard can change his
spots, he first has to change from a leopard into something else, or the
change is merely cosmetic.

People have many reasons to be leery of you, Nekobe. You've left a wake
of people who have nothing but contempt for you, and deservedly so. You
say that you've changed your ways (and a lot more which is way too much
information, IMO). But your responses to people here certainly doesn't
make me think you've changed at all. You are still driven by your
lusts, you still think anyone denying you anything is wronging you and
you still think we are here for no purpose other than to satisfy you.

You still have your spots, leopard, and we have every reason not to
believe your latest sob story.

Allen Kitchen (shockwave)

Marc

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Aug 25, 2004, 8:53:58 AM8/25/04
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bart bervoets wrote:

> Marc is just a friend of trixi.

Nope, I was the Chief of Security at Anthrocon for 2 years. So I dealt
with you in person.
You said the same things back then, and I certainly dont trust you.

Marc

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Aug 25, 2004, 8:56:13 AM8/25/04
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bart bervoets

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Aug 25, 2004, 10:58:25 AM8/25/04
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> make me think you've changed at all. You are still driven by your
> lusts, you still think anyone denying you anything is wronging you and
> you still think we are here for no purpose other than to satisfy you.


What lusts?
I am not interested in yiff anymore, i think i was clear enough.
What other lusts do you mean then?
Please explain.

Sunnylion


Marc

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Aug 25, 2004, 11:49:01 AM8/25/04
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You got banned for Physical Assault and Criminal Harassment including
Stalking according to US Federal Laws; that has nothing to do with your
'interests' or if you are yiffy or not.

Basically, you did several actions that were not just merely incorrect
or misunderstandings, they were criminal actions. Is that clear? If not,
please read up on US Federal Laws.

Because those actions were criminal in nature, you must now cope with
the consequences. You are being denied access to at least two major
conventions and you find it unfair, you claim you are being wronged.

Attending conventions is NOT a legal right, but a privilege. You brought
it upon yourself to do actions that lead to the revocation of that
privilege. Cope with it.

What is unclear about this? You tried to do illegal things, you got
caught in the act, you got banned. Stop whining and go find other groups
to join.

bart bervoets

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Aug 25, 2004, 2:59:39 PM8/25/04
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You know just as i that:

A) The stalking was a setup by madbadger
B) I was declared NOT GUILTY in court, from which i have papers to proove
it.
C: I never jumped bail as claimed, i had my lawyer represent me, which is
perfectly legal.

Do yourself a favor and look up my record in the US and in europe, also
check
lawyer a james craner in orange county FL and mike snapp bail bonds, who did
my bail.
If bail is jumped, a person is on the wanted list.
Yours

Sunnylion
Marc <grey...@videotron.ca> schreef in berichtnieuws
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iBuck

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Aug 25, 2004, 4:49:08 PM8/25/04
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>B) I was declared NOT GUILTY in court, from which i have papers to proove
>it.

Um, that's kinda odd... courts have no real ability to declare innocence, just
aquittal.. i.e. you still may have done the deeds, they just couldn't prove
it beyond a reasonable doubt, as OJ showed..
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"

Marc

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:31:34 PM8/25/04
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Bullshit, but you insist on claiming your innocence while forgetting
that what I know is not hearsay at all, I was THERE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF
YOU NO LESS! IS THAT CLEAR?
You even complained to ME, but your memory of that is obviously failing
or you choose to ignore what is convenient for you to ignore.

I spent most of Anthrocon taking care of shit you did, by myself, or
along with the rest of the Security crew and the Director who could not
believe how dumb and vindictive you were, this is not hearsay or second
hand stories. Do you think constaff are stupid???

I guess you are slow or something.

I'll make it simple for you. I cant speak for Anthrocon anymore, or any
other con, nor can I change their decision, but I know there are 3
conventions where you will be arrested for trespassing, at least, if you
show up. That is your problem, deal with it. I suggest you deal with it
by going away and staying away.

Also... What you really dont understand is; WE DONT CARE!

Was that clear enough for you? Want it in french maybe?

Just... go away and stay gone.

Allen Kitchen

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:54:12 PM8/25/04
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bart bervoets wrote:
> You know just as i that:
>
> A) The stalking was a setup by madbadger

Not only provably FALSE, but BULLSHIT! You repeatedly called him and
said you were coming over, no matter what. You harrassed him on his
cell phone for days and then showed up at his apartment complex.
Someone went to your car and pointedly told you to leave. You didn't.
The police found you listening to his closed and locked door when they
arrived, at which time you were considered to be a mental case and
involuntarily committed for a short period of time. There are half a
dozen witnesses to all of the above.

> B) I was declared NOT GUILTY in court, from which i have papers to proove
> it.

It was my understanding that the case was dismissed since you were in
Europe at the time and the DA had better things to do than pay the money
and spend the time extraditing you. This is a far cry from being found
"not guilty." And even if your statement is true, it does not change
your behavior over the past couple of years. Nor does your insistance
that you are the victim and everyone else is conspiring against you make
us believe that you've (finally) grown up and come to your senses.
Getting any group of furs to work together in a conspiracy would be only
slightly more difficult than cleaning the Rock of Gibraltor with a
toothbrush.

> C: I never jumped bail as claimed, i had my lawyer represent me, which is
> perfectly legal.

No data on this.

You've threatened and hurt lots of people in the past and STILL you are
incapable of admitting (or understanding) that you have accosted and
threatened them. At best, you are mentally faulty and incapable of
telling right from wrong. At worst, you are a dangerous stalker who
cannot take No for an answer. No point between the two (inclusive) make
you safe enough to wander around any convention.

Before I believe you've turned over a new leaf, some admissions of prior
guilt and acts of attonement with no expectations of any sort must be
forthcoming from you. But I don't believe you've sincerely changed, and
you may never change. The first line up above proves that you haven't
with very high fidelity. So it is pointless to have this discussion
with you.

Allen

Brock Ulfsen

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Aug 25, 2004, 11:04:42 PM8/25/04
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Allen Kitchen wrote:
> Getting any group of furs to work together in a conspiracy would be only
> slightly more difficult than cleaning the Rock of Gibraltor with a
> toothbrush.

Are you certain? Cleaning the Northern Pillar of Hercules with a
toothbrush is impressively pointless but theoretically possible (have
you ever been a non-commissioned officer or high school PE teacher?).
I'm not sure the same can be said about arranging a conspiracy of a
sizable number of furs (shall we say n>=23). Smaller conspiracies are
possible, but stability over time of any group activity involving more
than one (1) fur approaches zero (0).

...Brock.
(Conspiring to bother certain nameless furs for, oh, about 2 weeks now.)

Wanderer

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Aug 26, 2004, 5:29:28 AM8/26/04
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"bart bervoets" <nek...@online.be> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I decided to reply in public on this, as most people will be interested in
> this topic.
> What i wondered about, you gave me an adress back then, i did contacted
> those people
> and mailed them my pictures, but they never got back to me, so that is why
i
> thought you made
> fun about me, if not, it is my duty to apologise here.

Apology accepted. He was quite a good plastic surgeon, and willing to do
the work, as long as you didn't have unrealistic expectations.

> Second is the mistake of the circus, there was never a circus sponsoring,
i
> have no idea how you
> come on that, but i assume you were confused with the fact i did backstage
> work at a circus in
> the past (light and sound).

Truthfully, I got it from you. You told me specifically that a circus was
willing to pay for it, in exchange for your services. You put that specific
message in three e-mails in a row, so I'm rather certain that I did not
misunderstand.

> However, yes, i am still interested in anything you come across that might
> be helpful, and if you are
> so far, please forward it to stalkingcat as well, he is seriously
interested
> as well.

<sigh> We'll see. Now I get to start the search all over again. Where
should the surgeon be located?

Yours with a love of research,

The re-searching,

GoldAnthroWolf

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Aug 26, 2004, 8:43:19 AM8/26/04
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"Allen Kitchen" <shockwa...@yahoo.com>

> Getting any group of furs to work together in a conspiracy would be only
> slightly more difficult than cleaning the Rock of Gibraltor with a
> toothbrush.

Amen on that.

bart bervoets

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Aug 26, 2004, 2:51:51 PM8/26/04
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Please show me where it was written in the police report that i was found
listening at the door.
My copy mentions i was found sitting in my car in front of badger's house.
I did NOT called badger several times, i called his roommate byzantyn
bloodlightning.
Can i help it that there was only one phoneline.
I did called several times, yes.
But not badger, i have no interest in him.
In my opinion, most furs just think it's fun to keep fighting, ever
considered i might find it funny to reply?
As for the witnesses, please let them state that in the police office on
paper, i do the rest as i can proove
with official papers from the orange county police dep that it's a lie.
Yours

Sunnylion
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bart bervoets

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Aug 26, 2004, 2:53:03 PM8/26/04
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I honestly can't remember the offer from the circus, you may be right after
all.
It's 3 years ago, time flies.

Sunnylion


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? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}

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Aug 27, 2004, 9:31:32 AM8/27/04
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"GoldAnthroWolf" <goldant...@hotmail.com> writes:

[...]

> As I point to, http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_600928349 and
> http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_600931451 either you had a
> sudden bout of insanity, or someone posted under your name, but the net does
> not lie and you can't FAKE a newgroup post so far in the past.

Actually you can quite easly fake newsgroup posts.

--
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http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.

Marc

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Aug 27, 2004, 10:17:11 AM8/27/04
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Unfortunately for him, he cant fake first-hand (witnessed) knowledge.
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