CSI: Denial in action
Kathmandu
bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
--
Kathmandu
Sculptor, artist and writer.
http://www.cableone.net/kathmandu
iBuck
People who are in denial that there could be such a thing as harmless to good
press about the fandom, whatever you want to call it....
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
Don Sanders
says...
> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't that
> bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
I very much doubt you can just walk away and expect to be expunged by no
association. There maybe a lot of denial going on, but what can one
really do about it. There has been many examples of this in the world at
large but I won't bother naming them. I'll just pass on some advice that
was given to me by the residents of this newsgroup when I got overly
offended by a remark made in regards to race, Grow a thick skin and carry
on with your life.
Don Sanders.
Spirou
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
(SNIP)
>Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
The first thing i thought after reading that:
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide
it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the
tough get going.
Bluto: Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!!
=)
Phoenix-D
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote in message
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> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't
that
> bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc
need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
Actually, I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done here (I don't think the
burned furs count)
Phoenix-D
DishRoom1
>I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't that
>bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
>trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
>work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
>now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
>I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
>fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
>weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
>not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
*sigh* If that's the way you think know and you choose that way, then don't let
the door hit your tail on the way out.
(I still think that "Anthro" and "Furry" are insepratial.)
John Shughart
Cray Drygu
news:bnu1f2$2v31$1...@velox.critter.net:
> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it
> wasn't that bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because
> it was a fucking trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I
> am about to head off to work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going
> to catch grief from this show now that they have been edumacated on
> what "furry" really is.
I wore a fursuit at work today. (I work in a major retail environment,
by the way). Had a few coworkers ask about the relationship with what
went on in CSI, I set the record straight. Had a few customers mention
it too. But overall, everyone seemed to love it.
--
Cray
Swap the "craydrygu" and "attbi" to email
Jay Shell
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
> --
> Kathmandu
Yes, the scorn of classmates and co-workers can be withering, I know.
But just drawing boobs on bunnies is still considered "weird", and always
will be probably. If you're looking for an "ideal" anthropomorphic fandom
that's acceptable to the mainstream, I doubt you'll find it... that's why
we're all HERE.
--
Jay Shell
"Public Opinion; a vulgar, impertinent, anonymous tyrant who
deliberately makes life unpleasant for anyone who is not
content to be the average man." -W.R. Inge
Keeshah
>
> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't that
> bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
That numbers maybe 20 at the hight of there populity.
bobby
Akai
"bobby" <bobby...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> what the heck is "the burned furs" i keep hearing about them
They are officially Old News. Search Google and you will find more that you
could want to know about it.
--Akai
Wanderer
Speaking fur myself, Kathmandu, most people aren't going to think you're
furry "like on C.S.I." unless one of two things is true:
1. You've told them you're a furry.
2. You're wearing a fursuit.
I wore my Bear in the Big Blue House costume to work fur Halloween... and
had maybe a two-second convo regarding C.S.I., in which I briefly pointed
out they got a lot of things wrong. (The latex lining was at the top of the
list.) Other than that, I got a lot of attention from the ladies, who
considered me "cute".
This is a problem?;)
Yours wolfishly,
The smiling,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Paul Johnson
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The Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:15:10 -0600, Kathmandu <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess.
Why not just say, "Forget the weirdos, I'm the real deal?"
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The 31 Oct 2003 21:47:03 -0800, bobby <bobby...@aol.com> wrote:
> what the heck is "the burned furs" i keep hearing about them
STFW. We *really* don't need to go through this again.
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The Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:21:08 -0700, Phoenix-D <nu...@no.com> wrote:
> Been done before by Trek fans. Didn't work. :P
Trekkers are officially weirder than Trekkies. 8:o)
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Bill Marcum
<kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
--
I knew I'd hate COBOL the moment I saw they'd used "perform" instead of
"do".
-- Larry Wall on a not-so-popular programming language
unidyne
"Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursine.ca> wrote in message
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> The Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:21:08 -0700, Phoenix-D <nu...@no.com> wrote:
> > Been done before by Trek fans. Didn't work. :P
>
> Trekkers are officially weirder than Trekkies. 8:o)
Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
"Trekkies"?
Phoenix-D
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> > The Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:21:08 -0700, Phoenix-D <nu...@no.com> wrote:
> > > Been done before by Trek fans. Didn't work. :P
> >
> > Trekkers are officially weirder than Trekkies. 8:o)
>
> Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
> "Trekkies"?
>
Congraduations, you just demonstrated why splitting off doesn't work.
In Furry terms, from what I can tell Trekkers =burned furs trekkies =
everyone else.
Phoenix-D
Ken Pick
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> The Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:21:08 -0700, Phoenix-D <nu...@no.com> wrote:
> > Been done before by Trek fans. Didn't work. :P
>
> Trekkers are officially weirder than Trekkies. 8:o)
Years ago, in the Star Trek Bartender's Guide, there were these two
drinks called "Trekker" and "Trekkie". The only difference between
the two was in the location of one ingredient -- in the "Trekkie", you
top the drink with a nut; in the "Trekker", you hide the nut in the
bottom of the glass.
Peter Stoller
> Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
> "Trekkies"?
Trekkers are trekkies who felt the label trekkie belittled them and their
interest. They took the whole thing rather seriously.
iBuck
>"Trekkies"?
It's approximatley the same as the diffrence between:
"Furry" and "Anthro"
"Hacker" and"Cracker"
"SF" and"Sci-Fi"
in other words, fan politics..
Paul Johnson
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It went lawsuit-serious in a couple of cases from what I hear.
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> The Mon, 03 Nov 2003 01:39:15 -0500, Peter Stoller <spe...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > unidyne wrote
> >
> >> Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
> >> "Trekkies"?
> >
> > Trekkers are trekkies who felt the label trekkie belittled them and their
> > interest. They took the whole thing rather seriously.
>
> It went lawsuit-serious in a couple of cases from what I hear.
These days, anything can go lawsuit-serious. Somebody loses it, goes
to a lawyer, lawyer takes his money.
Remember when Krisfaluci sued the guys who did South Park claiming
that their character "Mr Hankey" was a ripoff of his character "Nutty
the Talking Turd"? Think about it; two alleged adults in an
intellectual-property lawyer-fight over ownership of a singing,
dancing, talking TURD!
Skytech
> Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
> "Trekkies"?
>
Trekkers hate Trekkies. They consiter themselves and their Star Trek
fandom a serious business. They consiter Trekkies just silly fluff
ruining their fandom.
Sound familiar?
--
Skytech
Skytech
>
Oooo I almost forgot that one! I remember people interviewed
actually cringing and taking that hate filled tone when they referred
grudgingly to 'scifi'!
--
Skytech
Paul Johnson
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> Remember when Krisfaluci sued the guys who did South Park claiming
> that their character "Mr Hankey" was a ripoff of his character "Nutty
> the Talking Turd"? Think about it; two alleged adults in an
> intellectual-property lawyer-fight over ownership of a singing,
> dancing, talking TURD!
Man, the lawyers laughed all the way to the bank on that one.
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Meffy Ellis
"Anyone who fails to employ the PROPER term, 'scientifiction,' will get
a sharp ruler-rap on the knuckles from myself and my close friend, Mr.
Hugo Gernsback. Hmph!"
*skunk hikes his snoot in the air*
Meffy
grar, snap, bite
--
"Samuel P. Trapper" is even more nonexistent than I.
Instead please contact meffy at comcast. Append dot net to it.
Matt Harpold
"Skytech" <sky...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. :D
-matt/Turb
Paul R. Bennett
To the Revolution!!!
Let us begin. Let us lead the way, to explore hearts and minds. Let us explore
all the wonderland possiblities.
Kathmandu I am not mocking you. I won't mock you.
I have had people tell me that only in Furry can true creativity be found.
Well, I really don't believe that, not hardly.
Creativity knows no bounds, genre, or limits.
Creativity knows no bounds.
Use your skills, proudly, to the best you can, and always strive to improve, as
I do mine.
Always strive your best, put your heart in your work, believe, strive from the
heart, reach out as wide as you can.
And bugger those sad b*** who tell you "Don 't let the door hit yer..."
Paul
"To the music"
Kathmandu wrote:
> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't that
> bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
> not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
> --
> Kathmandu
>
> Sculptor, artist and writer.
> http://www.cableone.net/kathmandu
Matt Harpold
> > I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't
that
> > bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> > trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> > work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> > now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
> >
> > I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> > fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> > weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc
need
> > not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
Calling us the "anthro fandom" isn't furry without the mess, it's you
without the balls.
Grow up, dude!
-Matt/Turb
MHirtes
"Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote:
Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
Ilthuain
>
> Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
> for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
> being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
Dude, you think furry is way more important that it is. It's a
punchline. It's a hobby... and interesting and strange subculture at best.
Get over it. Sit back, eat a cupcake, smoke some grass, whatever you
have to do, man... chill the fuck out with the whole furry thing.
Zings aside, you have some serious issues, Mike.
-Ilth
Jesus fucking Krypton.
Kathmandu
"Phoenix-D" <nu...@no.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote in message
> news:bnu1f2$2v31$1...@velox.critter.net...
Creeps, pedophiles,
> > weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc
> need
> > not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
> >
> Been done before by Trek fans. Didn't work. :P
>
> Actually, I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done here (I don't think the
> burned furs count)
Yes, it occured before. It occured when furry and lifestylers split way
back when. It created two newsgroups, alt.fan.furry and
alt.lifestyles.furry and it worked fairly well by separating fans from the
people who take furry a little too seriously(my opinion). Unfortunatly what
it did over time was to give the lifestylers a safe and accepting place to
feel community. It allowed beastialists to extole the virtues of their
lifestyle without fear (not much anyway) of rejection or judgement. Same
with BDSM, plushophilia, pedophilia, fursuit sex, etc.
I hung out there in the begining because it was a nicer place than
alt.fan.furry, it was largely free of flame wars and bitter rants but over
time I realized my squick glands were becoming enlarged due to over use. I
got to the point where I felt I needed a shower everytime I read the group.
I haven't been back in years.
I was more or less kidding about the revolution thing because I know it
wouldn't work. Mainly because there are no "normal" people in the fandom,
couldn't be. If there were, folks would be rallying around my call for
revolution and I would be another Che Guevera but all I recieved was a
blanket call for me to accept the reality of the fandom (ie. grow a thick
skin) or that it wouldn't work. That is more telling than anything else I
suppose.
Kathmandu,
Anthro fan, Viva le Revolution!
Kathmandu
"Cray Drygu" <at...@craydrygu.com> wrote in message
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> "Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote in
> news:bnu1f2$2v31$1...@velox.critter.net:
>
> I wore a fursuit at work today. (I work in a major retail environment,
> by the way). Had a few coworkers ask about the relationship with what
> went on in CSI, I set the record straight. Had a few customers mention
> it too. But overall, everyone seemed to love it.
>
Wouldn't it be nice though if you could put on the fursuit and not have
people look at you and wonder if you are some kinky weirdo or not? In a
public place, of course folks are going to generally be nice about it, it's
public. Doesn't mean they didn't go home and tell their significant others
they saw one of those furry freaks they watched on C.S.I. the other night.
Kathmandu
Anthro Fan, Viva La Revolution!
Kathmandu
"Jay Shell" <jays...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Kathmandu wrote:
>
> > I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
pedophiles,
> > weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc
need
> > not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
> >
> > Kathmandu
>
> Yes, the scorn of classmates and co-workers can be withering, I know.
> But just drawing boobs on bunnies is still considered "weird", and always
> will be probably. If you're looking for an "ideal" anthropomorphic fandom
> that's acceptable to the mainstream, I doubt you'll find it... that's why
> we're all HERE.
No, you don't understand. Fur and sex is forever intertwined and I have
come to accept that. Hell, I like bunnies with boobs and I don't mind being
considered a bit weird for liking that. The folks I work with don't have a
problem with it and one just asked me to burn him a CD with a bunch of
furry and mermaid art from my collection just last week. I have shown them
my artwork and most all have been to my web site so there is no secrecy
involved with my interest in anthropomorphics.
What I did mind was a supervisor coming up to me and asking if I got off on
wearing fursuits and doing some of the stuff he has seen on HBO realsex and
elsewhere. The easiest way I could answer that was to say I am an "anthro
fan", those are furries you are talking about and I'm not into that creepy
stuff. No further explanation necessary. Viva La Revolution!
Kathmandu
"Bill Marcum" <bma...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:15:10 -0600, Kathmandu
> <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> > fan."
> So will you be going to Anthrocon?
No, I won't. I haven't ever been and don't plan on it anytime soon.
Of all the conventions out there that one is probably the one "anthros"
should embrace as Dr. Conway has strived over the years to emphasize what I
believe "anthro" is all about. If I could appoint someone to be the
spokesman for anthro, it would be Uncle Kage (Dr. Conway) as he has never
(to my knowledge) embarrassed the fandom with his interviews nor his
actions. If there was an "Anthro Manifesto" it would be simply be his
definition of "fur".
It is , after all, "Anthro-con". What perverted furries do at conventions
is beyond his control as long as it is in private and doesn't violate the
rules or the law.
Kathmandu
Anthro fan, Viva la Revolution!
Kathmandu
"Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> >> > > not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
>
> Calling us the "anthro fandom" isn't furry without the mess, it's you
> without the balls.
>
> Grow up, dude!
I am grown. I also have balls. I have fought fires aboard ship, I have been
through submarine damage control training where you have to stop flooding
in a sealed machinery space as it fills with ice cold water, I have done
submarine escape training where you swim out of a hatch at 150 feet and
shoot to the surface with no airtank, I served on a "spook" boat that went
places and did things that I can't talk about (think James Bond). I have
been on lookout on the open bridge of a surfaced submarine in a hurricane,
experienced submersion while strapped to the deck and while ignoring my
imminent death managed to close the hatch before the boat flooded. I have
slept next to a torpedo and in the same room with scarier weapons. I have
spent weeks sealed in a submarine never seeing the sun. I have experienced
emergency surfacing maneuvers that have literally had us lunging out of the
sea like a dolphin.
I have swam with sharks and scuba dived into caves, I once dove into
pounding surf and pulled a man to safety. I once helped a helicopter pilot
deposit a crew with explosives to a mountain top in winter to clear
potential avalanches. I once stepped into deep snow that caused me to bend
my left knee the wrong way and I had to crawl half a mile up a steep hill
by myself because my sister and mother couldn't lift me and there was no
other around.
I have driven a 43 ft Fountain race boat up to speeds of over 100 mph while
the owner ran the throttles. I have ridden in a Corvette at 170mph and I
have taken the controls of the fastest civilian single engine prop
production airplane ever made, the Meyers 400 Interceptor.
I operate hydraulic manlifts at work at heights that have actually made
grown men pee their pants. I have hung from scaffolds with nothing but a
safety rope to hold me. I am scared of heights myself yet I bite the bullet
and do my job.
I may be a lot of things but I'll be goddamed if I'll let someone say I
don't have balls. I suppose though if I don't want to be grouped together
with beastialist, pedophiles, people who would rather screw stuffed animals
or really awful fursuits than a human being, who don't bathe because they
want their natural animal musk to be smelled by others, chicken hawks and
pedophiles, grown men who get off on wearing diapers, studded jockstrap
wearing leathermen leading around the Gimp with a leash and the odd
necrophiliac or two then I guess I don't have any balls.
Viva la Balless Revolution!
Paul R. Bennett
I go for anthro art, and I understand Blumrich's rant, did you?
Get this through your head Harpold.
Anthropomorphics is not Furry's damned property.
Furry, and you, can try their damnest to leach on, and off an artistic genre,
and turn it into a sewer.
I don';t kiss up to Furry's little fantansy land.
I will do my stories, and my art, and I will damned well take the risks of
facing the real world rather than coddling up and kissing butt to a handfull of
minnows in a small pond.
Harpold, just try to talk to me about balls and risk.
I very clearly understand that even with stories designed to appeal to the most
popular genre and interests of "The Real World", the chances for a writer are
almost infinitesamal. We won't even mention the risks of writing stories in an
almost unknown genre...
But wait, I forget, you are the "Turbine Divinity", a big wheel, or something,
in Furry. Why that must really give you an almost orgasmic ego rush, being a
big minnow in a very small pond.
Ont the other hand Harpold. I am willing to take the "Big Risk", throw the
dice, and accept the odds.
I sit down with other artists, take their criticisms, and learn.
I am shooting for the big time Harpold.
Who is the testicle less one, Harpold, when I go for the gold and you sit around
in a self adolartaing fandom.
Yeh, odds say I will fail, but I will, at least strive.
Who is the balless one Harpold? You or me? Who should grow up... You, living
in a little butt kissing puddle, or me, willing to challenge the world and take
the risks.
Harpold, I hve no respect at this point for the core of Furry, the artists, the
businesses.
From too many varients of a polysexual, promiscous, kleptomanic ringtail to
psyco murderers. Too many of the long established icons of the fandom who kiss
up to and try to spiin doctor every time a customer gets screwed over.
I have seen too much of the high points of "Furry Art" over the years.
Whiner
I am willing to take a risk with my work. I am willing to try for the big time.
And you, you insulting, self important... grabbing a fandom and wrapping it
around your self so you can feel important.
But I am quite sure Hirtes will be far nastier than I ever thought of being.
I have no respect for Furry. As a customer, witnessing the Masters of Furry
Business Administration, I am so underwhelmed that I take the position that if I
can't lay my dollars down and pick up the product, then I Ain't Buyin '!
I will tell you something else... You and Furry can be damned thankful I won't
do business with you.... If I did, the first time one of you lot treated me like
I have seen others treated, I would be headed for the Postmaster, or the FTC,
and I would not be shy about it. I would be filing complaints and trying to
legally have a furry hide for a rug. And believe me Bub, I could, and would do
it.
Oh, yes, BTW, on that subject, the wings of the FTC and the postmaster general
whispered real close above the head of one publisher. Just one more day and the
complaint WOULD have rolled.
I will take a major risk.
To the Revolution!
Paul
Paul R. Bennett
I have sat on foreign shores. I have worked aircraft under hostile conditions,
under freezing and burning weather. I have, as a senior NCO, been restricted
to base on the Korean Peninsula.. because we had missions to launch and things
looked real dicey. While my experiences can not begin to match Kathmandu's, I
was USAF, but, I hear what he says(I hope I am using He and it is correct, for
She's do serve too.)
I have dealt with violent and irrational people, I have had to make decisions
and give orders on medical treatment for terminally ill loved ones. These were
decisions that haunt my soul and hurt deeply.
I am an emergency services volunteer. For that I don't get paid, but I am
willing to put my life on the line for people I don't even know.
Kathmandu, we are not the balless revolution. We are the Revolution, willing
to take the risks, We have been there, done that.
We are the ones with heart and courage.
I hear ya' about things you can't talk about... why do twin gold dolphins come
to mind... In which case, I bow with deepest respect.
To the Revolution.
"Papiols, to the Music!"
Paul Bennett
MHirtes
Look here:
http://david-drake.com/conglom.html
Harpo kinda looks like the unholy love child between Emo Phillips and
Ronald McDonald, doesn't he?
Kinda hard to take such a goofball seriously when you get to see what he
REALLY looks like.
DishRoom1
You're getting a bit nutsy, Paul. <:-(
John Shughart
mouse
i would rally around your revolution , but youre right it probably
wouldnt go anywhere
and yes i believe there are anthrofans, ex-furries, and
furries-that-never-were everywhere , but they are scattered
go anywhere furries are 'hated' you'll find some of them
go anywhere where there are cartoons or funny animal comic books and
there are some there too
and there are even a small number HERE
(but not too many)
Richard de Wylfin
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
OK, then! SO you have balls. So why can't you *explain* to people who
might not otherwise understand that you don't fall into any of those
categories you mentioned? Why do you have to take the
misconceptions/prejudices/confusion of others as a given instead of
something that can be fixed?
New alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe products on Cafeshops:
http://www.cafeshops.com/jotandcomma
Richard de Wylfin
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
Anthrocon is and always has been a furry con. Virtually everyone refers
to it as such. That it doesn't have 'fur' in the name means very little.
There is very little unacceptable public behavior there, but that has
nothing to do with being called "anthro." There's no indication that the
con wishes to dissociate from the term "furry." Indeed, if you read AFF
on Google right now, you'll probably see an ad for Anthrocon with the
heading "What is furry fandom?"
>
> Kathmandu
>
> Anthro fan, Viva la Revolution!
>
>
New alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe products on Cafeshops:
http://www.cafeshops.com/jotandcomma
Hannah Kincaid
assumption that people with unusual sexualities invariably *haven't* fought
fires, trained on shipboard, rescued puppies, saved lives, test racecars,
stopped speeding bullets, eaten pianos, or whatever irrelevant macho
bullshit he's chosen to thump his chest about. Let's face it, not only are
none of these shows of bravado equivalent to emotional or intellectual
maturity, I know quite a few people from the leather "freak" community who
could easily match, or even trump, just about any damn story of bravery,
selflessness and national service. I'm sick beyond the point of all civility
of people who can't be bothered to actually _meet_ anybody from the
communities they're insulting, and just blithely drift through life assuming
the most unflattering, grotesque, dysfunctional stereotypes of them are an
adequate substitute for reality. Balls aren't the body part of Kathmandu's
whose presence I'm questioning -- go straight up a few feet until you hear
an echoing sound. You know, in my estimation, when somebody with a weird
sexuality is rude, smelly, selfish, indecorous, or whiny, I don't blame it
on their hobbies and I don't blame it on what do for pleasure. I blame it
on -- duh -- bad manners, poor hygeine, need for attention, and self-pity.
If everybody were that sensible, there wouldn't be a problem with people
making snap judgements about furries in the first place. In the meantime,
there are a hell of a lot of people out there in "studded jockstraps" and
even stranger things who are living lives at least as functional as
Kathmandu's, but nobody seems to notice them... possibly because polite,
sane people don't stand out. This is what some of us have been trying to
point out for years, every time there's a witch hunt in the fandom --
ironically, every time I try, I get a little ruder and crazier, at least on
AFF. :p
Richard de Wylfin <thetal...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:thetalkingfox-BB0...@velox.critter.net...
Martin Skunk
news:a4a687a1.03110...@posting.google.com...
> and yes i believe there are anthrofans, ex-furries, and
> furries-that-never-were everywhere , but they are scattered
>
> go anywhere furries are 'hated' you'll find some of them
> go anywhere where there are cartoons or funny animal comic books and
> there are some there too
>
> and there are even a small number HERE
> (but not too many)
Maybe more than you think. But there's no real structure to adhere
to, no real purpose to gather together, and no real way to tell the
difference between "furries" and "Anthro fans", at least, from the point of
view of many people who still consider themselves furries.
Maybe it's time to re-write rules; to write down a really accurate
description about what is an anthro fan, and what is a furry, so those who
simply enjoy "funny animals" don't have to worry about being portrayed as
sickos. But it's not an easy task, it's long and takes time, and am not sure
who would be willing to go ahead and take the first step.
But, hey, ve've got the Internet, and it can serve as a way to
gather a small core of people willing to do it. Beware, though, because it
has been tried before, and has failed.
---Martin Skunk
MHirtes
"Hannah Kincaid" <post...@lycos.com> wrote:
> I think what aggravates me most about his little rant is the apparent
> assumption that people with unusual sexualities invariably *haven't* fought
> fires, trained on shipboard, rescued puppies, saved lives, test racecars,
> stopped speeding bullets, eaten pianos, or whatever irrelevant macho
> bullshit he's chosen to thump his chest about.
Well, in this case, he's right.
Furries doing anything non-selfish. LOL! That's a laugh!
Keeshah
> Wouldn't it be nice though if you could put on the fursuit and not have
> people look at you and wonder if you are some kinky weirdo or not? In a
> public place, of course folks are going to generally be nice about it, it's
> public. Doesn't mean they didn't go home and tell their significant others
> they saw one of those furry freaks they watched on C.S.I. the other night.
becomming furries.
An they are wanting to build there own fursuits..
If anything, this CSI exposure has made being a fur, exceptable to the
mainstream..
Kathmandu
"Hannah Kincaid" <post...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:bon3oo$fog$1...@velox.critter.net...
> I think what aggravates me most about his little rant is the apparent
> assumption that people with unusual sexualities invariably *haven't*
fought
> fires, trained on shipboard, rescued puppies, saved lives, test racecars,
> stopped speeding bullets, eaten pianos, or whatever irrelevant macho
> bullshit he's chosen to thump his chest about.
Nowhere did I say anyone else has or has not done anything. This was in
response to someone saying "I" didn't have balls. You misread my post.
My point, which seems to have been lost here is that I don't care what
people do, they can do whatever turns them on. I don't give a fuck if a
studded jockstrap wearing leatherman pedophile pig fucker is an astronaut
and helps little old ladies cross the street. I'm just sick of being lumped
in with them and having to deal with the social ramifications just for
being a furry. I am sick of having to explain to people, no I don't get off
on fursuits, no I don't screw our barnyard freinds, no I don't think a
stuffed Meko is dead hot sexy and for god sakes no I haven't offered up for
auction a well used and crusty Meko with a SPH. It isn't a witch hunt, I'm
not dehuminizing anyone, I just want to draw anthropomorphic animals and
not have to deal with all the excess baggage a select few have heaped on
the fandom. I therefore resign from the furry fandom...
Anthro fan: welcome to the new world order! Viva la Revolution! It's furry
without the mess!
Kathmandu
"MHirtes" <h...@justabunchofwords.com> wrote in message
news:hts-2FD9ED.2...@news.central.cox.net...
Please, don't take my side. You aren't helping...
Kathmandu
>
> Anthrocon is and always has been a furry con. Virtually everyone refers
> to it as such. That it doesn't have 'fur' in the name means very little.
> There is very little unacceptable public behavior there, but that has
> nothing to do with being called "anthro." There's no indication that the
> con wishes to dissociate from the term "furry." Indeed, if you read AFF
> on Google right now, you'll probably see an ad for Anthrocon with the
> heading "What is furry fandom?"
Heh... you don't get it.
Try reading my post again, this time assuming I am not an idiot and that I
know Anthrocon isn't disassociating itself from "furry" and that Anthrocon
is just a name.
Kory Anders
<kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
>What I did mind was a supervisor coming up to me and asking if I got off on
>wearing fursuits and doing some of the stuff he has seen on HBO realsex and
>elsewhere. The easiest way I could answer that was to say I am an "anthro
>fan", those are furries you are talking about and I'm not into that creepy
>stuff. No further explanation necessary. Viva La Revolution!
And you didn't tell him that you aren't such a person and you don't
appreciate such questions and if he brings this up again you might
consider it sexual harrasment? If a supervisor comes up to you and
starts asking entirely innapropriate questions like that, tell him
off. He deserves it, rather than you running away and blaming others.
MHirtes
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
I'll take any side I'm on. My own.
Matt Harpold
"Paul R. Bennett" <rf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3FAEB955...@bellsouth.net...
> You ain't too durn literate, are you?
> I go for anthro art, and I understand Blumrich's rant, did you?
> Get this through your head Harpold.
Stick it to me mah brothah!
> Anthropomorphics is not Furry's damned property.
The problem is the word "Property". Ideas belong to nobody. And spineless
whining is free to all! It's like socialism. Share and share alike!
> Furry, and you, can try their damnest to leach on, and off an artistic
genre,
> and turn it into a sewer.
> I don';t kiss up to Furry's little fantansy land.
> I will do my stories, and my art, and I will damned well take the risks of
> facing the real world rather than coddling up and kissing butt to a
handfull of
> minnows in a small pond.
> Harpold, just try to talk to me about balls and risk.
Well, that's what I've been doing, but tell me how the real world is, man.
Give me the lowdown. Give me the SCOOP. Because I don't think I heard it
yet.
> I very clearly understand that even with stories designed to appeal to the
most
> popular genre and interests of "The Real World", the chances for a writer
are
> almost infinitesamal. We won't even mention the risks of writing stories
in an
> almost unknown genre...
> But wait, I forget, you are the "Turbine Divinity", a big wheel, or
something,
I'm not even a wheel. I simply feel that playing word games with what furry
fandom is called, is a weak willed, limp-dicked pussy ass thing to do.
I'm sorry if you don't agree, but it is clearly so. It's known to be true.
Though i give you points for bringing up my handle. It's one of those things
I heartily agree with you, it's pretty purple-prosey. But I'm stuck with it,
people know me by that name, so what can you do? It's like a marriage.
> in Furry. Why that must really give you an almost orgasmic ego rush,
being a
> big minnow in a very small pond.
Well, Dark Natasha is the big minnow. I'm just some guy that makes some
discretionary income painting for my friends, really. If you think I have a
big huge ego about making art, think again. Art is the right of everyone to
make. Nobody owns the right to make art, nobody should lord that over anyone
else.
> Ont the other hand Harpold. I am willing to take the "Big Risk", throw
the
> dice, and accept the odds.
What is the big risk? Enlighten me as to what the "big risk" actually is.
> I sit down with other artists, take their criticisms, and learn.
> I am shooting for the big time Harpold.
> Who is the testicle less one, Harpold, when I go for the gold and you sit
around
> in a self adolartaing fandom.
Look, man, I don;'t know how to tell you this, but I've had a lot of stuff
published that has nothing at all to do with furry anything. Just to set you
straight!
> Yeh, odds say I will fail, but I will, at least strive.
Good. As should we all.
> Who is the balless one Harpold? You or me? Who should grow up... You,
living
> in a little butt kissing puddle, or me, willing to challenge the world and
take
> the risks.
Actually, what I've been working on for the last two years has nothing to do
with furry fandom, and it isn't even done yet! But once again, thanks for
your effort. We have some nice parting gifts for you.
> Harpold, I hve no respect at this point for the core of Furry, the
artists, the
> businesses.
Cool! I have no respect for you! So we're even. Cheers.
> From too many varients of a polysexual, promiscous, kleptomanic ringtail
to
> psyco murderers.
Kleptomaniac! That's me!
>Too many of the long established icons of the fandom who kiss
> up to and try to spiin doctor every time a customer gets screwed over.
> I have seen too much of the high points of "Furry Art" over the years.
> Whiner
> I am willing to take a risk with my work. I am willing to try for the big
time.
Make sure you listen to "Rock Superstar" by Cypress Hill before you go for
the big time. They have words of advice for you. Don't spend all your money
on Bentleys immediately, for example.
> And you, you insulting, self important... grabbing a fandom and wrapping
it
> around your self so you can feel important.
I am insulting! I consider myself pretty good at it. But I don't know where
you get self important from all that. I merely think you are a dick.
> I have no respect for Furry. As a customer, witnessing the Masters of
Furry
> Business Administration, I am so underwhelmed that I take the position
that if I
> can't lay my dollars down and pick up the product, then I Ain't Buyin '!
> I will tell you something else... You and Furry can be damned thankful I
won't
> do business with you.... If I did, the first time one of you lot treated
me like
> I have seen others treated, I would be headed for the Postmaster, or the
FTC,
> and I would not be shy about it. I would be filing complaints and trying
to
> legally have a furry hide for a rug. And believe me Bub, I could, and
would do
> it.
I will be taking my business to your competitors!
> Oh, yes, BTW, on that subject, the wings of the FTC and the postmaster
general
> whispered real close above the head of one publisher. Just one more day
and the
> complaint WOULD have rolled.
> I will take a major risk.
> To the Revolution!
> Paul
Does anyone know what this guy is talking about?
-Matt/Turb
Wanderer
>
> Wouldn't it be nice though if you could put on the fursuit and not have
> people look at you and wonder if you are some kinky weirdo or not? In a
> public place, of course folks are going to generally be nice about it,
it's
> public. Doesn't mean they didn't go home and tell their significant others
> they saw one of those furry freaks they watched on C.S.I. the other night.
>
<DEEP breath...>
Look, Kath... I'm not sure what's got you so extremely up in arms about the
whole "anthro is better/cleaner/nicer/tastier/sexier than furry" thing. To
be honest, when the subject of "Furry" comes up, I just explain we like
cartoon animals. Nobody looks at me funny, even if I'm walking around
wearing my MFM'02 t-shirt and my tail (and a pair of jeans, yes... please
stay out of the gutter;). Out of hundreds of people who saw me on
Halloween, dressed up as "Bear in the Big Blue House", only one (1) person
asked about C.S.I.... and he lost interest after I told him they got a lot
wrong. (I guess liking animals just isn't weird enough fur him.;) Most
other people didn't even know who Bear *was*... I guess they don't have
cable (or at least, no kids around).
<cocks head> Logic aside, however, do you really think your "Oh, I'm not a
yicky, nasty furry, I'm a good, clean anthrofan" bit is going to matter to
the people you're so worried about confusing the two? Call it a hunch, but
until "anthro" becomes as popular a word as "furry" (which it won't, as
you'll know if you study linguistics), the conversation will go like this:
"I'm an anthrofan."
"What's an anthrofan?"
"Well, I like art featuring anthropomorphic animal characters."
"Huh... ?"
"Well, like this." <show them an issue of Captain Carrot and his Amazing
Zoo Crew, or other clean art>
"Oh, a furry!"
<foam at the mouth>
At best, you'll confuse them even more. At worst, they'll think you must
have something to hide that's *worse* than what they saw on C.S.I.... after
all, why would you lie to them if you were as clean as you say you are?
(Note, please, that such an impression is not *mine*... I just think you're
a Nervous Nellie who's overly concerned with looking good fur the
neighbors.)
Now, if Mrs. Grundy is such a fine love interest, you're welcome to her...
fursonally, I consider life too short to worry about that vanishingly small
furcentage of people who'll actually worry about something they saw on
C.S.I.... after all, the 11/06/03 episode doesn't seem to have provoked much
backlash from or against the gay community, hm?
My furry experiences, fur what they're worth, are golden... having a little
girl giggle as she tells me she likes my tail... posing fur pictures in Mt.
Rainier National Park... a laughing girl crying, "It's the wolf! It's the
wolf!"... slowly winning over a crotchety old Asian lady who runs a
restaurant in the Philadelphia area... happily explaining to one passerby
after another at MFM'01 that we all like cartoon animals... sharing a secret
smile with the mother who told her son my tail was real.;)
In short, Kathmandu, if you're so direly afraid of the neighbors, maybe you
need to move?
Yours with a few observations,
The wolfish,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
iBuck
>with beastialist, pedophiles, people who would rather screw stuffed animals
>or really awful fursuits than a human being, who don't bathe because they
>want their natural animal musk to be smelled by others, chicken hawks and
>pedophiles, grown men who get off on wearing diapers, studded jockstrap
>wearing leathermen leading around the Gimp with a leash and the odd
>necrophiliac or two then I guess I don't have any balls.
That's fine, but frankly what you're describing just doesn't have anything to
do with the reality of the Furry Fandom....
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
iBuck
>without the mess!
Newsflash, furry doesn't -have- the mess, it's just -rumored- to have the
mess......
As for the rest, remember that whole thing about "A Rose by any other name..
Matt Harpold
"iBuck" <lncra...@aol.com.star> wrote in message
news:20031110094729...@mb-m10.aol.com...
But what it does have a lot to do with is the pyshce of people who need MORE
DRAMA! Because just shrugging and chilling out is not possible for these
guys.
-Matt/Turb
Arty McToon
"anthro" and "furry" respectively...from my vantage point as a mundane
fan, I see the fandom as
the section dedicated to creative storytelling -with enough
information given about the characters' personalities and motivations
by the creator so there is no misinterpretation by the readers.
(comics, text stories, gag panels with punchlines, animation, filk
singing, commentary on real-life evnets, series of one-time drawings
with a beginning, middle, end) (anthro?)
the section dedicated to pin-ups and one shot illustration -poses
with no punchline...where the people looking at the drawing are left
to interpret the characters' motivations. (anthro? or furry?)
the section dedicated to personal role-playing -Fursuits, RPG
characters, online playing...may be innocent fun or intimate depending
on the player. (furry?)
Any ideas if these are fair categories or thoughts on "realignment" of
the divisions?
"Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote in message news:<bnu1f2$2v31$1...@velox.critter.net>...
> I see a lot of folks saying this and that about CSI and that it wasn't that
> bad, it was funny etc, etc. They are in denial because it was a fucking
> trainwreck that millions watched unfold on TV. I am about to head off to
> work in a minute and I guarantee I'm going to catch grief from this show
> now that they have been edumacated on what "furry" really is.
>
> I hereby tender my resignation to the furry fandom. I am now an "anthro
> fan." The "anthro fandom" is furry without the mess. Creeps, pedophiles,
> weird lifestylers, fursuit fruitcakes, plushophiles, beastialists, etc need
MHirtes
"Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote:
Back to McDonald Land with you, Ronald Jr.
Matt Harpold
Congratulations, man, you're Captain America. A credit to your nation. And
if everything you've mentioned is true, you're even MORE gutless for
worrying about what FURRIES think, or what people think of furries. So you
have balls in your work, but no balls whatsoever when it comes to this
fandom. You'll be goddamned, but I still think you're a whiny pile of crap.
Worrying about what people think of you. Keeping up appearances. What do you
think of that?
And the hyperbole about the fetish aspect of furries! Man, you could scrape
all that cheese off your post and sell it to the French!
-Matt/Turb
Ilthuain
>>
>>But what it does have a lot to do with is the pyshce of people who need MORE
>>DRAMA! Because just shrugging and chilling out is not possible for these
>>guys.
>>
>>-Matt/Turb
>>
>>
>
>
> Back to McDonald Land with you, Ronald Jr.
Hmmm...
I gotta know, do you just have this large pool of disses that you keep,
and when the time comes, you just pull one of them out at random and
apply it to the first person you see?
Example: I call you a failure, as well as a depressed fatboy that can't
get a job. Now, all of those things are topical. If I were to call you
a 'goldbricker', that would be incorrect, because it has nothing at all
to do with you personally.
-Ilth
*Apply palm of hand to forehead*
Ken Pick
> "mouse" <mo...@blackvault.com> wrote in message
> news:a4a687a1.03110...@posting.google.com...
>
> > and yes i believe there are anthrofans, ex-furries, and
> > furries-that-never-were everywhere , but they are scattered
> >
> > go anywhere furries are 'hated' you'll find some of them
> > go anywhere where there are cartoons or funny animal comic books and
> > there are some there too
> >
> > and there are even a small number HERE
> > (but not too many)
>
> Maybe more than you think. But there's no real structure to adhere
> to, no real purpose to gather together, and no real way to tell the
> difference between "furries" and "Anthro fans", at least, from the point of
> view of many people who still consider themselves furries.
>
> Maybe it's time to re-write rules; to write down a really accurate
> description about what is an anthro fan, and what is a furry, so those who
> simply enjoy "funny animals" don't have to worry about being portrayed as
> sickos. But it's not an easy task, it's long and takes time, and am not sure
> who would be willing to go ahead and take the first step.
And it probably wouldn't work. Example:
1) Non-yiffy fur-fans start calling themselves "Anthro fans" to try
to distinguish themselves from the skunkfuckers.
2) Skunkfuckers start calling themselves "Anthro" as well as
"FURREEEEE!" and bounce over to the media with it. ("LOOKIT MEEEEEE!
I'M ON TEE VEEEEE!")
3) So now there's two words for the next Rick Castro to use, and
non-yiffies have to find another word to call themselves, which is
probably going to suffer the same fate. And the next. And the
next...
Remember "Crippled" to "Disabled" to "Physically-limited" to
"Differently-abled"? Or "Retarded" to "Mentally-challenged" to
"Special"? The words get more and more tongue-twisting each time, and
every schoolyard bully knows within 30 seconds that
"Differently-abled" means "CRIPPLE!" and "Special" means "RETARD!"
Brian Henderson
<h...@justabunchofwords.com> wrote:
>Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
>for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
>being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
It'll never happen, mostly because the people who don't care are the
ones who have lived their entire lives being outcasts and hated. This
is nothing new for them.
The only time that they'll stop to consider their actions is when
conventions start being denied hotel space, online art archives start
getting taken down and the MUCKs disappear.
Brian Henderson
<kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
>I was more or less kidding about the revolution thing because I know it
>wouldn't work. Mainly because there are no "normal" people in the fandom,
>couldn't be. If there were, folks would be rallying around my call for
>revolution and I would be another Che Guevera but all I recieved was a
>blanket call for me to accept the reality of the fandom (ie. grow a thick
>skin) or that it wouldn't work. That is more telling than anything else I
>suppose.
There are normal people in the fandom, but they simply don't attend
conventions, don't post here, etc. They just collect what they
collect, watch what they watch and pretty much ignore everyone else.
MHirtes
Ilthuain <tsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, what's it like screwing a clown, Illie?
Arty McToon
Bob, owner of "Bob's Country Bunker", "The Blues Brothers"
lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote in message news:<20031103094044...@mb-m19.aol.com>...
> >Will someone PLEASE explain the difference between "Trekkers" and
> >"Trekkies"?
>
> It's approximatley the same as the diffrence between:
>
> "Furry" and "Anthro"
> "Hacker" and"Cracker"
> "SF" and"Sci-Fi"
>
> in other words, fan politics..
Matt Harpold
> > -Ilth
> > *Apply palm of hand to forehead*
>
> So, what's it like screwing a clown, Illie?
I'm more of a mime than a clown. It's fun being a French sympathizer.
-Matt/Turb
Matt Harpold
"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p500rvsufd59n8img...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 23:10:29 -0600, MHirtes
> <h...@justabunchofwords.com> wrote:
>
> >Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
> >for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
> >being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
>
> It'll never happen, mostly because the people who don't care are the
> ones who have lived their entire lives being outcasts and hated. This
> is nothing new for them.
I'll confess to being a wierdo, but it's hard to be an outcast and work with
people every day. But if that's your line, by all means stick to it.
> The only time that they'll stop to consider their actions is when
> conventions start being denied hotel space, online art archives start
> getting taken down and the MUCKs disappear.
Taken down by who? Are furries somehow more offensive than all the other
detritus on the net? :D But sure, I suppose if we lived in a police state,
all this would come true and more! But somehow, I don't believe it will.
Call me wacky, but I think we'll do just fine, however badly you hope that
we'll flame out like a Branch Davidian compound.
-Matt
G. Raymond Eddy
> Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
> for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
> being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
C-SPAN? You're actually expecting the U.S. Congress to take up the
subject of furries on the strength of a TV cop show?
Assuming for the sake of argument that everything seen in CSI: "Fur
& Loathing" can be taken to the bank, and further assuming that
Americans are now pig-biting mad at this newly-exposed New Sodomy, don't
expect anything to be done on Capitol Hill. This is because in nearly
every case, laws governing the personal conduct of citizens are made at
the state level.
"Furrysexuality" has grown to be so much like homosexuality that the
recent Supreme Court decision striking down anti-sodomy laws in Texas
should apply to it. So long as everybody involved in yiffing is a
consenting adult human, states have no right to stop it. State
legislators, no matter how many phones they have ringing off the hook
about this new furpiling evil, are not likely to make laws against it
that are only going to be struck down in court.
--
___________ G. Raymond Eddy g e d @ r g t n t
(_ _ _ 2120 Fitzroy Dr. #B1 r d y b i h . e (zigzagged)
(__ __)__)(_/ Columbus, OH 43224 ICQ: #10322859
___________/ http://www.bright.net/~greddy
Ilthuain
Sex? Oh, it's nice. You should try it some time.
-Ilth
*gasp!* I have.... SEX! OH NO!
MHirtes
"G. Raymond Eddy" <gre...@bright.net> wrote:
> MHirtes wrote:
>
> > Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
> > for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
> > being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
>
> C-SPAN? You're actually expecting the U.S. Congress to take up the
> subject of furries on the strength of a TV cop show?
I guess you never saw Fritz Hollings talk about "Beavo and Buffcoat",
have you?
mouse
> I'm have been wondering how to divvy up the fandom to classify what is
> "anthro" and "furry" respectively...from my vantage point as a mundane
> fan, I see the fandom as
>
actually ive thought about this a lot and for the most part i agree
with your divisions, but i think furry is a conglomeration of more
than just furry and anthro , with all the elements of anime SF/F and
comic books rolled into one , if furry fandom were to be dissolved or
it disbanded you can kind of see where different parts would retreat
to
and i only started thinking of how to divide of the fandom because
furry is fucked anyway at this point ..no one takes it seriously
a more accurate division would be:
all 'furry' comics books, for all intents and purposes are
"funny-animal" and always have been
(furrlough is and always has been the 'funny animal anthology' - it
says so right on the cover ...wise decision by radio comix)
its what the comic industry calls that stuff , its best just to go
with that
written fiction would do best as 'anthropomorphic animal science
fiction'
or to be more general - just science fiction
whether its aliens or genetic or whatever type of story line
paintings and images are 'fantasy art' (single images etc)
then you got cartoons and stuff which ..furry has surprising not
really gotten into making cartoon and animation ...ive only seen a
very little experimentation and nothing too serious or ambitious
costuming is a roleplaying thing, and a craft, you see this mostly at
SF cons and anime cosplay (im talking about in forms similiar to the
way it is in furry)
..but lets face the fact here - furry costuming , fursuiting
this sector is fucked beyond all hope
i actually feel sorry for people who took this craft very seriously
(kuhn, keller, etc etc) and obviously spent tons of time and money on
thier costumes and honing thier skills just to have them basically
spit on by everyone thanks to a precious few
and then all the crap that would remain would just be 'furry fetish'
now that these creepy individuals crawled out of the woodwork thanks
in large part to the corruption of furry fandom ..there is really no
way to make them go away
so them let them stay in the squalor of 'furry fandom'
mouse
> And it probably wouldn't work. Example:
>
> 1) Non-yiffy fur-fans start calling themselves "Anthro fans" to try
> to distinguish themselves from the skunkfuckers.
>
> 2) Skunkfuckers start calling themselves "Anthro" as well as
> "FURREEEEE!" and bounce over to the media with it. ("LOOKIT MEEEEEE!
> I'M ON TEE VEEEEE!")
>
> 3) So now there's two words for the next Rick Castro to use, and
> non-yiffies have to find another word to call themselves, which is
> probably going to suffer the same fate. And the next. And the
> next...
well thats mainly because furry fandom was never hostile enough to
subversive elements
gotta tell people to get lost when they cross the line
feelings gonna get hurt? you bet...thats too fuckin bad
the consequence for NOT doing it is next thing you know you people
walking around claiming to be dragons and werewolves, and drawing
insane unhealthy fetish artwork that really creeps everyone out,
fucking plush toys, generally totally going off the deep end,
and any of the other far-too-numerous to list problems that will
plague furryfandom till its dying day
im almost 90% positive furry would have almost no realistic problems
if when people looked at this fandom they saw a large contingent
decrying the fringe ...they never do
because most of the fandom is silent and without condemnation of
anything
so what is anyone to assume other that most of the fandom is not only
ok with certain aspects but also PARTICIPATES
only furries are surprised by this type of shit i swear
Matt Harpold
> > MHirtes wrote:
> >
> > > Just what WILL it take for you furries to start taking responsibility
> > > for your own sick-ass actions? When the topic of furrydom goes from
> > > being on CBS to being on C-SPAN?
> >
> > C-SPAN? You're actually expecting the U.S. Congress to take up the
> > subject of furries on the strength of a TV cop show?
>
> I guess you never saw Fritz Hollings talk about "Beavo and Buffcoat",
> have you?
Dude, if furries show up on C-Span, I will buy you a six pack. ;-)
-Matt/Turb
Wanderer
news:p500rvsufd59n8img...@4ax.com...
<snip>
> The only time that they'll stop to consider their actions is when
> conventions start being denied hotel space, online art archives start
> getting taken down and the MUCKs disappear.
Of course, there are three problems with those things ever coming to pass:
1. Furry conventions are consistently invited back to hotels.
2. Online art archives are privately run, and are unobjectionable if
handled logically.
3. MUCKs are privately run on individual computers.
So unless you've just been appointed head of the American Thought Police,
BH, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Furry to die...
Yours with an honest appraisal,
Wanderer
Who needs furry fur all the things you describe?
You have a problem with my saying I'm a werewolf? You'd've hated Aleister
Crowley... he claimed to be the AntiChrist.
You don't like bizarre fetish artwork? Never visit a Goya exhibit... or
Charles Addams, come to think of it...
And if you don't like sex toys, I suggest you take on the Betty Blow-up
people first... they've been around longer.
We don't talk about the fringe because... funny, this... we're *not
interested in the fringe*!
Yours with a love of clean artwork,
Arty McToon
anything where the animal characters drive the story in any genre
(science fiction, comedy, drama) in any form (visual such as comics,
animation, sequential art and verbal text such as non-illustrated
novels, short stories, song lyrics, poems). It would be
creator-controlled...whatever the creator intends the characters to be
in the established stories...any deviation from the creator's purposes
by outsiders would violate the purpose of the character. People can
get technical and classify novels, animation, and comics to separate
entities...but I think these should be some unity here since the
outcomes are the same...stories with a beginning, middle, and end.
Personally, this is the section of the fandom I support the most.
"Images" might be one-shot drawings, pin-ups, and fantasy landscapes
with no actual story behind it from initial impressions. With the
plethora of pin-ups of characters (mostly in the buff or dressed
scandalously) with no discernible personalities, the motivations of
the characters are "up for grabs" depending on the ones looking at the
picture. The images could go under "storytelling" if the creator
develops stories or back history behind the characters and offers a
purpose for the characters' existence. Otherwise, they are just
floating in that netherworld when anyone outside can form their own
universe for the characters (or twist things around).
Fursuits, roleplaying, spiritual totems, plushies, skritching and
yiffing...a whole different world than the first two categories, I
guess...I probably leave the categorization to those who personally
know that stuff better than me.
I agree that there are many talented creators behind anthro animal
characters...some still here and some leaving under unpleasant
circumstances...some with good attitudes, some not. Makes things ehre
very interesting with variety, I suppose.
Ken Pick
> "Brian Henderson" <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:p500rvsufd59n8img...@4ax.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > The only time that they'll stop to consider their actions is when
> > conventions start being denied hotel space, online art archives start
> > getting taken down and the MUCKs disappear.
>
> Of course, there are three problems with those things ever coming to pass:
>
> 1. Furry conventions are consistently invited back to hotels.
Many-many years ago, a hotel security guard at an SF con told me that
SF cons have less security problems than, say, business conventions or
the Shriners. Instead of the hotel being taken over by the red-light
district and major drunken property destruction, the worst security
problem was loud parties and minor shoplifting from the dealer's room.
Years later, another hotel security guard told me that SF (and
especially specialized fandom cons like furries) are popular with the
hotel management for another reason: Since fans don't sue when
they're mistreated, they're popular suckers to screw over.
Ken Pick
> im almost 90% positive furry would have almost no realistic problems
> if when people looked at this fandom they saw a large contingent
> decrying the fringe ...they never do
> because most of the fandom is silent and without condemnation of
> anything
An example of what happens to anyone who dares to "decry the fringe" in two words:
BURNED.
FUR.
Phoenix-D
> im almost 90% positive furry would have almost no realistic problems
> if when people looked at this fandom they saw a large contingent
> decrying the fringe ...they never do
> because most of the fandom is silent and without condemnation of
> anything
> so what is anyone to assume other that most of the fandom is not only
> ok with certain aspects but also PARTICIPATES
>
> only furries are surprised by this type of shit i swear
Uh, mouse, aside from the occasional curiousity-seeker, do you really think
most people get their first impression of furry HERE? As long as the
impressions are shaped by media you aren't in, there's not a thing you can
do about it.
Phoenix-D
Brian Henderson
wrote:
>1. Furry conventions are consistently invited back to hotels.
That can change, especially if you end up getting hotels being
boycotted and picketed during conventions.
While it's unlikely that the other two could happen (although with
good old Ashcroft running around, it's anyone's guess), the lack of
hotel space isn't all that hard to imagine. Hotels need business the
rest of the year and if groups start to boycott and spread bad
publicity, I can see the hotels dropping furcons like a hot potato.
Brian Henderson
<gre...@bright.net> wrote:
> "Furrysexuality" has grown to be so much like homosexuality that the
>recent Supreme Court decision striking down anti-sodomy laws in Texas
>should apply to it. So long as everybody involved in yiffing is a
>consenting adult human, states have no right to stop it. State
>legislators, no matter how many phones they have ringing off the hook
>about this new furpiling evil, are not likely to make laws against it
>that are only going to be struck down in court.
The state may have no right to stop it (and I don't recall anyone
saying they should), but that doesn't stop people from laughing at it,
being disgusted by it or discriminating against those who participate
in it. Worse yet are the people who get discriminated against who
aren't even involved in 'furrysexuality' (a damn stupid concept if I
ever heard one), but who are painted with the same broad brush.
Furrysexuality is not protected in any way, shape or form.
Brian Henderson
>well thats mainly because furry fandom was never hostile enough to
>subversive elements
That was always the problem. I find it funny that the same people who
found out about furry through alternative lifestyle magazines and
showed up at ConFurence wondering what all the furry animal stuff was
about, are the same ones who today claim "I knew I was a wombat long
before I knew about furry fandom." Had the fandom decided at that
time that the freaks and the weirdos weren't welcome, furry fandom
would be a decent place to be today.
G. Raymond Eddy
> The state may have no right to stop it (and I don't recall anyone
> saying they should), but that doesn't stop people from laughing at it,
> being disgusted by it or discriminating against those who participate
> in it. Worse yet are the people who get discriminated against who
> aren't even involved in 'furrysexuality' (a damn stupid concept if I
> ever heard one), but who are painted with the same broad brush.
That's my problem. I'm innocent, but tarred with the brush. My one
and only costume has not been anywhere except to a church festival in
King of Prussia, PA. But since it is made after the likeness of an
animal, I must wear the name 'furry' and must share in its guilt and pay
its penalty.
All is fair in love and trashing furries.
Mike Hirtes demands that furries accept responsibility for their
actions, but there is no way to do that to his satisfaction short of
mass suicide. I'd rather not die for the sins of the fandom until
twelve people in a jury box tell me to.
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:39:12 -0600, "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >1. Furry conventions are consistently invited back to hotels.
>
> That can change, especially if you end up getting hotels being
> boycotted and picketed during conventions.
There are hotels and convention centers that run conventions for BSDM
enthastists. I d
>
> While it's unlikely that the other two could happen (although with
> good old Ashcroft running around, it's anyone's guess), the lack of
> hotel space isn't all that hard to imagine. Hotels need business the
> rest of the year and if groups start to boycott and spread bad
> publicity, I can see the hotels dropping furcons like a hot potato.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
[...]
> The state may have no right to stop it (and I don't recall anyone
> saying they should), but that doesn't stop people from laughing at
> it,
I have no problem being laughed at. I regually laugh at myself.
> being disgusted by it
There are always going to be people disgusted with what I do, I'm not
going to live my life restrained by others squicks.
> or discriminating against those who participate in it.
Fortuntitly my work enviroment has strong policies against
discrimination of this sort.
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
> Had the fandom decided at that
> time that the freaks and the weirdos weren't welcome, furry fandom
> would be
unpopulated.
Ken Pick
> On 11 Nov 2003 00:25:57 -0800, mo...@blackvault.com (mouse) wrote:
>
> >well thats mainly because furry fandom was never hostile enough to
> >subversive elements
>
> That was always the problem. I find it funny that the same people who
> found out about furry through alternative lifestyle magazines and
> showed up at ConFurence wondering what all the furry animal stuff was
Can you provide documentation of this? The story of finding out about
furry thru "alternative lifestyle magazines" (i.e. homosexual media)
is an old Furban Legend. One specific example is the Furban Legend
that one year CF (CF8?) was advertised in gay-community newspapers as
a "cruisy scene" and West Hollywood invaded the con hotel for that
weekend. What is the reality behind the legend?
Aside: My East Coast spies tell me that Marion Zimmer Bradley used to
run DarkoverCon as a *very* "Lesbian-friendly/cruisy" convention, to
the point it got nicknamed "DykeCon" as CF was nicknamed "FagCon". So
it's not just a furry phenomenon; however, furries are a lot more
in-your-face about it than Darkovers.
>...are the same ones who today claim "I knew I was a wombat long
> before I knew about furry fandom."
This seems to be a variant on the whole Otherkin trip, except with
wombats (actually foxes, cats, and other noble/yiffy species) instead
of elves & dragons. I believe 2 the Ranting Gryphon has a whole rant
about the subject.
Ken Pick
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:57:21 -0600, "Kathmandu"
> <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
>
> >I was more or less kidding about the revolution thing because I know it
> >wouldn't work. Mainly because there are no "normal" people in the fandom,
> >couldn't be. If there were, folks would be rallying around my call for
> >revolution and I would be another Che Guevera but all I recieved was a
> >blanket call for me to accept the reality of the fandom (ie. grow a thick
> >skin) or that it wouldn't work. That is more telling than anything else I
> >suppose.
"accept the reality of the fandom"
translation: "Shut up and stay in your closet."
> There are normal people in the fandom, but they simply don't attend
> conventions, don't post here, etc. They just collect what they
> collect, watch what they watch and pretty much ignore everyone else.
I.E. they mostly stay clear of the freak show.
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
[...]
> well thats mainly because furry fandom was never hostile enough to
> subversive elements
Yes we have to get rid of thouse subversive elements, perhaps we
should have a "House unfurry activerties commision", run around
worrying about yiffers hiding under our beds.
[...]
> im almost 90% positive furry would have almost no realistic problems
> if when people looked at this fandom they saw a large contingent
> decrying the fringe
Thats where you and I are diffrent. The problems we see with the
fandom are totally diffrent ones. Your solutions wouldn't solve the
problems I see.
Paul R. Bennett
iBuck... please listen carefully... Please think about it.
Operation Raptor just completed... and, if you listen to CNN, a new cycle of busts
has started
Please listen, and please think about this.
Furry does not live in a vacuum, alone and isolated.
Furries are people, they live with, function among other people, mundances(I know
that is a shock)
Furries must face a real world, they are subject to judgement by society for their
acts, their sins of omission and commission.
Please, please think about what I am saying. I am not Furry's enemy. Honestly, I
have to say that if I wanted to point a finger at the "Enemies of the Furry
Fandom", I would point to that close group of camp followers.
iBuck, please think about this, sometimes, maybe, your "friends" can be found in
the group of "designated drivers", who take your keys away.
Maybe your real friends can be found among those who say "Whoa" "Danger".
Think about that.
Paul
iBuck wrote:
> >I suppose though if I don't want to be grouped together
> >with beastialist, pedophiles, people who would rather screw stuffed animals
> >or really awful fursuits than a human being, who don't bathe because they
> >want their natural animal musk to be smelled by others, chicken hawks and
> >pedophiles, grown men who get off on wearing diapers, studded jockstrap
> >wearing leathermen leading around the Gimp with a leash and the odd
> >necrophiliac or two then I guess I don't have any balls.
>
> That's fine, but frankly what you're describing just doesn't have anything to
> do with the reality of the Furry Fandom....
Ostrich
>
> BURNED.
>
> FUR.
Honestly, Ken... Burned Fur WAS the 'fringe'.
The way to succeed in promoting the things you enjoy isn't to try to
destroy the things others enjoy - it's to promote the things that you
yourself enjoy. I can't see why that's so hard for some to
comprehend. If BF had actually promoted anything, instead of just
wanting to attack and destroy everything, it might have had a bit more
respect.
-Ostrich! <") http://www.morphicon.org
Paul R. Bennett
To seek new heights takes balls.
You little Furry loser. If you don't kiss up to the Furry artists, they might
cut off your Furry Fix.
I surmise Kathmandu was a Submariner...
I am a flight line maintainer
Have you got the balls, to live the lives the two of us have?
We have both done and been things you can not imagine... A pity, if you and Furry
could imagine them, outside the limits of an unimagineably hootered Vixen, or a
male that would need a scabbard, or a hose reel.
Ummm, methinks I am going to share something special...For Kathmandu
And De Wylfin, how many people are you and furry going to chase away, just so you
can preserve your Furry Purity?
Paul
"Time to Storm Furry's Bastille and free the artistic Captives"
Richard de Wylfin wrote:
> In article <bom7cl$2ucu$1...@velox.critter.net>,
> "Kathmandu" <kath...@cableone.com> wrote:
>
> > "Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:4Kfrb.150236$e01.525552@attbi_s02...
> > >
> > > >> > > not apply. Come on, who's with me! Viva la revolution!!!
> > >
> > > Calling us the "anthro fandom" isn't furry without the mess, it's you
> > > without the balls.
> > >
> > > Grow up, dude!
> >
> > I am grown. I also have balls. I have fought fires aboard ship, I have been
> > through submarine damage control training where you have to stop flooding
> > in a sealed machinery space as it fills with ice cold water, I have done
> > submarine escape training where you swim out of a hatch at 150 feet and
> > shoot to the surface with no airtank, I served on a "spook" boat that went
> > places and did things that I can't talk about (think James Bond). I have
> > been on lookout on the open bridge of a surfaced submarine in a hurricane,
> > experienced submersion while strapped to the deck and while ignoring my
> > imminent death managed to close the hatch before the boat flooded. I have
> > slept next to a torpedo and in the same room with scarier weapons. I have
> > spent weeks sealed in a submarine never seeing the sun. I have experienced
> > emergency surfacing maneuvers that have literally had us lunging out of the
> > sea like a dolphin.
> >
> > I have swam with sharks and scuba dived into caves, I once dove into
> > pounding surf and pulled a man to safety. I once helped a helicopter pilot
> > deposit a crew with explosives to a mountain top in winter to clear
> > potential avalanches. I once stepped into deep snow that caused me to bend
> > my left knee the wrong way and I had to crawl half a mile up a steep hill
> > by myself because my sister and mother couldn't lift me and there was no
> > other around.
> >
> > I have driven a 43 ft Fountain race boat up to speeds of over 100 mph while
> > the owner ran the throttles. I have ridden in a Corvette at 170mph and I
> > have taken the controls of the fastest civilian single engine prop
> > production airplane ever made, the Meyers 400 Interceptor.
> >
> > I operate hydraulic manlifts at work at heights that have actually made
> > grown men pee their pants. I have hung from scaffolds with nothing but a
> > safety rope to hold me. I am scared of heights myself yet I bite the bullet
> > and do my job.
> >
> > I may be a lot of things but I'll be goddamed if I'll let someone say I
> > don't have balls. I suppose though if I don't want to be grouped together
> > with beastialist, pedophiles, people who would rather screw stuffed animals
> > or really awful fursuits than a human being, who don't bathe because they
> > want their natural animal musk to be smelled by others, chicken hawks and
> > pedophiles, grown men who get off on wearing diapers, studded jockstrap
> > wearing leathermen leading around the Gimp with a leash and the odd
> > necrophiliac or two then I guess I don't have any balls.
> >
> > Viva la Balless Revolution!
> >
> >
>
> OK, then! SO you have balls. So why can't you *explain* to people who
> might not otherwise understand that you don't fall into any of those
> categories you mentioned? Why do you have to take the
> misconceptions/prejudices/confusion of others as a given instead of
> something that can be fixed?
>
> New alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe products on Cafeshops:
> http://www.cafeshops.com/jotandcomma
Ostrich
> SF cons have less security problems than, say, business conventions or
> the Shriners. Instead of the hotel being taken over by the red-light
> district and major drunken property destruction, the worst security
> problem was loud parties and minor shoplifting from the dealer's room.
>
Amen. I stayed in a hotel full of Shriners once. Not a restful stay. :P
-Ostrich! <")
Razor
saying that I avae done something none of you ever will is and for lack of a
better word bullshit. I was a cop till my injury, I chose a life where day
in day out I worked with people who on the most part were scum of the earth,
people that would have been more than happy to kill me if they got the
chance yet I always went to work. Been shot, hit in the vest and died on
another job, thank god for emts. Do I ask for special credit because of my
job, no I do it because its my job and I believe in it. Would I use it to
seem like I am better than others, no then I would be darkening my job and
those who served with me. I agree there are things in furry I do not like,
I do not associate with it, I do not condone nor promote it, yet because I
call myself a furry according to you I could in no way measure up to you,
and you wonder why you are getting the responses you are. I am sure there
are plenty that might have agreed with you, but now I doubt it. The "Im
better than you nyah nyah" arguement never works and only pisses people off.
Paul
Razor
make things worse. If it does I apologize, and should just ignor things
that tick me off.
Paul
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> Amen. I stayed in a hotel full of Shriners once. Not a restful stay.
GenCon, a roleplaying convention in Milwaukee (since moved to Indy),
overlapped with some sort of Irish festival the year I attended. Our
next-door neighbors in the hotel (not the convention hotel; a high-dollar
one out in the 'burbs somehwere) held a rather impressive belching contest
around 2 am. We finally had to call hotel security who, after also being
impressed, removed them from the premises.
Did I mention there was a *brick* wall between our room and theirs?
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mouse
> Brian Henderson <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> writes:
>
> > Had the fandom decided at that
> > time that the freaks and the weirdos weren't welcome, furry fandom
> > would be
>
> unpopulated.
uhm this is relevant...how?!
dude, i dont like your 'lifestyle'
actually, no,
i hate your lifestyle
and really dont want ANYTHING in common with anyone who shares it
either
soo...therefore ..wouldnt it be logical that 'unpopulated' is not the
issue
PARTICULARLY IF YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF 'POPULATION' YOU ARE?!?
(not even going to get into the fact that whole train of thought is
complete, utter BULLSHIT ...you freaks drove almost everyone worth a
damn OUT, and scared any potential newcomers away...the KIND THAT ARE
NEEDED)
mouse
> mo...@blackvault.com (mouse) writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > well thats mainly because furry fandom was never hostile enough to
> > subversive elements
>
> Yes we have to get rid of thouse subversive elements, perhaps we
> should have a "House unfurry activerties commision", run around
> worrying about yiffers hiding under our beds.
>
hey, thats a GREAT IDEA!
except it will be less 'worrying about' and more 'throwing people out
on thier asses'
dont worry formosa, furry fandom it seems is firmly in the clutches of
the freaks...so you got nothin to worry about