Paul Kidd news?
Mike and Carole
Hi everyone
I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
some information?
Mike
--
"Where I come from there are men who do nothing all day but good deeds.
They are called Good Deed Doers."
-The Wizard of Oz
steve gallacci
Mike and Carole wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
> problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
> some information?
>
A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being
prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his
web site..
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>Mike and Carole wrote:
>> I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
>> problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
>> some information?
>>
>A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being
>prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his
>web site..
Okay, I found it using Dogpile and took a look. From what I've seen there, it's
probably the usual "comics only are for children" garbage being enforced by yet
another bureaucrat with nothing better to do.
Here, look for yourselves:
http://www.purehubris.com/squeee
Does the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund have an Australian counterpart?
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Mike and Carole wrote --
>>> I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
>>> problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs
>contribute
>>> some information?
>>>
>>A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being
>>prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his
>>web site..
>
>Okay, I found it using Dogpile and took a look. From what I've seen there,
>it's
>probably the usual "comics only are for children" garbage being enforced by
>yet
>another bureaucrat with nothing better to do.
*Sigh* When the f*ck will people going to learn that adults can enjoy humaniod
animals for their pleasure and thus not every humaniod-animal related product
is aimed at kids? Retards. >:-(
Is there any way to contact the Austrailian Government on this?
John SHughart
mhirtes
steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> wrote:
Maybe Paul can pull a Pete Townsend and say he was "doing research". LOL!
Don't drop the soap, Paul. :)
Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
If he is found guilty, he is a child pr0nographer and should be
punished to the full extent of the law.
---
"My men have a disease of the heart which can only be assuaged by
gold" - Hernan Cortez
Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
perhaps In prison, Paul Kidd will get a STIFF sentence. :D
res0zs8l
> punished to the full extent of the law.
What disturbs me is the clear discrimination against "adult" comics and the
garbarge that comes out of Hollywood. Movies like ""Fast Times At Ridgemont
High" and "American Beauty" sexualize children, but they get a walk from the
courts. Granted, they aren't nearly as graphic as some comics, but comics
are ink and paper. Who is victimized?
One might argue that comics feed perverts' desires to the point where they
act out their fantasies in real life, with real victims. The other side of
the arguement is that it sates their desires so that the opposite happens.
Japan had long had what much of the world would consider "child porn" in
their comics, but they have a much lower instance of child molestation than
most developed nations.
There has been the arguement that even adult pornography will incite men to
rape, but some European countries, which had had porn for decades freely
accessable by just about anyone, have a much lower instance of sexual
violence that is found in the US.
I have been involved in searches of perverts' houses after allegations of
sexual child abuse and have interviewed convicted rapists and child
molesters as a prelude to their registration as sexual offenders and found
that porn plays less of a role for them as it does for many nonoffending
adults.
iBuck
>> punished to the full extent of the law.
>> If he is found guilty, he is a child pr0nographer and should be
>> punished to the full extent of the law.
Just as a note, Australian laws regarding 'indecent' publications are by no
means the same as the ones in the US, from what I understand for example
movies -must- be rated by a goverment board, which assigns ratings, and if they
refuse to rate the film, it's a crime to show it (On top of the posiblity that
the'll give a unshowable rating) - there's been some talk of giveing the same
board power over austrialan owned or hosted websites. their 'indecency
statuets are also not as loose as ours..
In short, it's quite possible fo him to have run afoul of the law over his
content, -without- it being a 'child pornography' charge...
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
steve gallacci
If that is the case, then he might well have been vunrible to
prosecution with what he had on his web site. A nekked funny animal or
two would be all it would take.
Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
>
If he produced violent art instead of sexual art he wouldn't have this
problem in the first place.
Let this be a lesson to you all.
Sex no! violence yes!
Violence is intrinsicaly more acceptable than sex.
Paul Johnson
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steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> writes:
> A nekked funny animal or two would be all it would take.
Aren't funny animals generally nekkid? I don't see Bugs Bunny with
clothes too often...
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Arty McToon
> >Okay, I found it using Dogpile and took a look. From what I've seen there,
> >it's
> >probably the usual "comics only are for children" garbage being enforced by
> >yet
> >another bureaucrat with nothing better to do.
>
> *Sigh* When the f*ck will people going to learn that adults can enjoy humaniod
> animals for their pleasure and thus not every humaniod-animal related product
> is aimed at kids? Retards. >:-(
>
>
I think in the reverse logic, not all anthro animal themes are all
adult-related, either. Nothing wrong with adults liking clean art
and stories for all ages..or liking adult furry characters when it is
shown and marketed to the correct age group with suitable warning.
As the mainstream media has proven, if you proclaim that you like
cartoon animals baring all human anatomy, most people will look at you
funny.
I hope justice will be served...whatever the outcome is.
Beware Australian furry animals...koalas look cute but are vicious
bastards.
mhirtes
dsa...@yahoo.co.uk (Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair) wrote:
>
> If he is found guilty, he is a child pr0nographer and should be
> punished to the full extent of the law.
>
And on that day, I will dance the Dance Of Joy.
Seeing one of furrydumb's most successful will make me smile greatly.
Oh, and just to make this official: HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!
mhirtes
dsa...@yahoo.co.uk (Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair) wrote:
> mhirtes <m...@nospambots.com> shall never vanquished be until great
> Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
> >In article <40BFD8E5...@comcast.net>,
> > steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike and Carole wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi everyone
> >> >
> >> > I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
> >> > problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs
> >> > contribute
> >> > some information?
> >> >
> >> A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being
> >> prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his
> >> web site..
> >
> >Maybe Paul can pull a Pete Townsend and say he was "doing research". LOL!
> >
> >Don't drop the soap, Paul. :)
>
> perhaps In prison, Paul Kidd will get a STIFF sentence. :D
>
IF Paul's lucky, a throbbing 12" pecker will be the ONLY thing violently
rammed into him from behind. Pedos rate VERY low in the pecking order of
convicts (and have a life-expectency to match), regardless of what
country it is.
"With a BONK BONK BONK
and a STAB STAB STAB
and a BUSS BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ!
Paul Kidd's in for a shitty time
in that nutty prison called "OZ"."
Hee Hee! I just KNEW stuff like that infamous Terrie Smith page of Itbit
(a five year old slavegirl in Fangs of Kaath) talking about having
"happywriggles" with a grown man was gonna get Paul's ass into trouble
sooner or later.
Brian O'connell
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> steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> > A nekked funny animal or two would be all it would take.
>
> Aren't funny animals generally nekkid? I don't see Bugs Bunny with
> clothes too often...
And when you do, he's usually in drag.
And they call US the perverts.
mhirtes
No. They call YOU the perverts.
(And in O'Connell's case, a THIEVING pervert at that).
Skytech
> I hope justice will be served...whatever the outcome is.
>
If Australia is anything like the US, justice is spelled 'witch hunt'.
There are far too many cases in the US that highloght groups and
individuals abusing the law to promote themselves and their twisted
ideals. They create monsters, especially when it involves sex,
persecute these victims through friendly courtrooms and tailored laws,
and use the body count to prove they're heroes then do it again and
again with the blessing of an increasingly terrified citizenry.
I hope there are sensible people in Paul's case who won't turn it into
a sick mockery of justice.
--
Skytech
mouse
AF755B.175...@news.central.cox.net:
A thieving pervert that could put a crack in a mirror with his smile.
Steven R. Addlesee
> No. They call YOU the perverts.
>
> (And in O'Connell's case, a THIEVING pervert at that).
Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
proceeds for his defense fund.
Steven R. Addlesee
Tamar
furry? Nothing that I can remember.
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Tamar
published Furplay, which what I can remember and seen with some of those
harem pictures could easily be considered by some kiddy porn?
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Tamar
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Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
>Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
>proceeds for his defense fund.
Ah. Would this be before or after a similar effort on behalf of Kate Worley, to
help with her fight against cancer?
The two most prominent current furry publishers have both done benefit comics
in the past... and it would seem once or twice was enough for both of them (one
even commented on the amount of effort involved, and said he wouldn't be doing
that again soon).
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>What has he ever done that actually had a child in it anyway, human or
>furry? Nothing that I can remember.
I have to agree. I thought about it, and I'm quite certain I can't remember any
children in his works, either.
Anyone else?
BR
> I have to agree. I thought about it, and I'm quite certain I can't
> remember any children in his works, either.
Picture or written? "Fangs of K'aath" has a child as one of the
characters, and I believe "A Whisper of Wings" did too.
--
-- James Fenimore Cooper
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes,
knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.
Paul Johnson
If he is found guilty, then you would be a child pronographer by the
same logic, Mr. Furplay. Except in your case, it would be nice to
watch you become just another anonymous orange jumpsuit slaving away
until the day you get shanked by another anonymous orange jumpsuit and
die alone and without a friend in the world, bleeding on cold concrete.
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>> I have to agree. I thought about it, and I'm quite certain I can't
>> remember any children in his works, either.
>
>Picture or written? "Fangs of K'aath" has a child as one of the
>characters, and I believe "A Whisper of Wings" did too.
Whups. You're right.
I don't recall the name in "Whisper," but in "Fangs" I think her name was
Yarim... or was it Tarim? Either way, those are both prose. I still don't
recall any comics he's written that had children.
mhirtes
wrote:
> mhirtes <m...@nospambots.com> writes:
>
> > In article <40c06d21...@news.individual.net>,
> > dsa...@yahoo.co.uk (Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> If he is found guilty, he is a child pr0nographer and should be
> >> punished to the full extent of the law.
> >>
> >
> > And on that day, I will dance the Dance Of Joy.
> >
> > Seeing one of furrydumb's most successful will make me smile greatly.
> >
> > Oh, and just to make this official: HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!
>
> If he is found guilty, then you would be a child pronographer by the
> same logic, Mr. Furplay.
Sorry. Not working on me. Not one bit.
Try harder, AFFhole. LOL!
mhirtes
wrote:
> Ah, Mr. Mini Flint, wouldn't that mean that you'd be next since you
> published Furplay, which what I can remember and seen with some of those
> harem pictures could easily be considered by some kiddy porn?
Nope.
Oh, I'm sure the Aussie authorities got more on Paul than just some "hit
buttered mice" to work a case out of. Something I'm sure Paul is not
100% owning up to.
mhirtes
Yeah. Get cracking. Ask Michael Jackson if he'll come over and bring
some "Jesus Juice" with him.
mhirtes
ratfinks...@aol.comNOREPLY (Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.) wrote:
> >From: carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee)
>
> >Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
> >Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
> >proceeds for his defense fund.
>
> Ah. Would this be before or after a similar effort on behalf of Kate Worley,
> to
> help with her fight against cancer?
Kate never asked to have cancer.
Or, maybe you all can do it under the "Brian O'Connell Plan". Remember
when he demanded that everyone in furrydumb send him one dollar (1
dollar X thousands of phurries).
God, what a big brainfart THAT idea of his was. But then again, it DID
fall out O'Connell's skull, so DUHH!!!!!
Brian O'connell
which featured a youngish mouse girl and a vampire. I forget the title, but
the girl was in finishing school (which placed her at mid-late teens).
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iBuck
>Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
>proceeds for his defense fund.
Well.. get inking allready...
Me, I'd perfer to buy his stuf directly, or send a donation...
Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair
wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>What has he ever done that actually had a child in it anyway, human or
>furry? Nothing that I can remember.
http://www.furnation.com/furplay/FARK/kiddisapedo.jpg
I didn't title the upload that mind. It's someone elses website.
steve gallacci
Tamar wrote:
>
> What has he ever done that actually had a child in it anyway, human or
> furry? Nothing that I can remember.
>
I'm not sure, but was of the impression that he was busted, or at least
caught the initial interest of the authorities, for the content of his
website. There were some nekked furries there. In Fangs of Kaath, there
was a small child with too much interest in adult sex which may also be
an issue. However, I suspect the thrust of the case is on the old
"cartoons are for children and they must be protected from sex" and/or
the notion that the cartoon characters have childish features and
therefore must be child pornography. In either event, it smells of which
hunt rather an any reasonable criminal case.
Steven R. Addlesee
> Ah. Would this be before or after a similar effort on behalf of Kate Worley, to
> help with her fight against cancer?
I never heard of Kate Worley. I remember McMoo and Hardiman.
> The two most prominent current furry publishers have both done benefit comics
> in the past... and it would seem once or twice was enough for both of them (one
> even commented on the amount of effort involved, and said he wouldn't be doing
> that again soon).
If it's the one I'm thinking of, I was there when they said that.
My comment was just a poke since it seems that now whenever an artist
has a bad day they suddenly get a benefit comic.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
What? The Paul Kidd benefit comic isn't out yet? Chee...furdom's
fickle these days. I figured at least a collection would've been
taken up by now.
Steven R. Addlesee
Mike and Carole
"Steven R. Addlesee" <carc...@atlantic.net> wrote in message
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Mike here. I think, Steve, I was the one who said we wouldn't do it again.
And I still say it. Since then, if Carole and I know someone that needs
help, we just help them ourselves if we can.
Kate Worley never had a benefit comic, her partner Reed Waller did. Kitchen
Sink did two issues of IMAGES OF OMAHA.
I contacted Reed for IN THE ZONE, since he knew McMurry. He agreed to be in
the book, then never answered emails.
Class act, says I.
Mike
>
>
> Steven R. Addlesee
Mike and Carole
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Sorry, need to add to this. About ten years ago at Dragoncon, I offered aid
for Kate in person to Reed, and got turned down.
Mike
xfactor
That would be Wild Kingdom #1 published by MU, I believe.
Roadrodent
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mouse
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>
> That would be Wild Kingdom #1 published by MU, I believe.
>
> Roadrodent
>
>
It is.
mouse
>
>
> Tamar wrote:
>>
>> What has he ever done that actually had a child in it anyway, human or
>> furry? Nothing that I can remember.
>>
> I'm not sure, but was of the impression that he was busted, or at least
> caught the initial interest of the authorities, for the content of his
> website. There were some nekked furries there. In Fangs of Kaath, there
> was a small child with too much interest in adult sex which may also be
> an issue.
He has that weird X-mas comic on his site, the one drawn by Will Faust.
And Fangs of Ka'ath and his other stuff, most of that shit is old, seems to
me its kind of late to be coming after him now for that. Why didnt they do
it 10 years ago when it was published or go after Mu.
> However, I suspect the thrust of the case is on the old
> "cartoons are for children and they must be protected from sex" and/or
> the notion that the cartoon characters have childish features and
> therefore must be child pornography. In either event, it smells of which
> hunt rather an any reasonable criminal case.
Probably
mhirtes
steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> wrote:
In Fangs of Kaath, there
> was a small child with too much interest in adult sex which may also be
> an issue.
Yep. That notorious 'Brazzle page (drawn by artwhore Terrie Smith, of
course) was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off eventually.
KABOOM!
mhirtes
mouse <mo...@blackvault.com> wrote:
>
> And Fangs of Ka'ath and his other stuff, most of that shit is old, seems to
> me its kind of late to be coming after him now for that. Why didnt they do
> it 10 years ago when it was published or go after Mu.
I suspect that the Australian authorities have more dirt on Paul than
just a few drawings of hot buttered mice to build a case from. Chances
are they found more than a pic of Udda with a riding crop. Remember, the
charge involves not mere indecency/obscenity, but something regarding
child pr0n. Obviously enough of it to get the go-ahead from higher-ups
to prosecute.
Methinks Paul's not giving peeps the WHOLE story as to what's really
going on.
mhirtes
lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote:
That's right. Be known as someone who has bought material from a
soon-to-be-convicted pedophile. That'll REALLY get you some friends in
the world of international law enforcement. :)
mhirtes
"Brian O'connell" <doge...@comcast.net> wrote:
> There was a story drawn by Terrie Smith that he wrote about 10 years ago,
> which featured a youngish mouse girl and a vampire. I forget the title, but
> the girl was in finishing school (which placed her at mid-late teens).
Oh yeah, that's RIGHT. Seems that Paul's leaving an even bigger trail
than Michael Jackson.
Skytech
or
> furry? Nothing that I can remember.
>
Ever see that MAD TV skit in which a politician claims to see lots of
naked boys in ink blots and oil paintings (there aren't)then accuses
the artist? Sounds similar in this instance.
--
Skytech
mouse
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I could have sworn that was saturday night live...unless maybe they both
did a similiar sketch
Skytech
> I could have sworn that was saturday night live...unless maybe they
both
> did a similiar sketch
Hmm.. you might be right. I might have caught a repeat and I sometime
mix the two shows. Thanks.
Brian O'connell
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In which case, Ralph Bakshi can be sent off to prison for "The Nine Lives of
Fritz the Cat", since one constant joke throughout the film was Fritz's
toddler son constantly rediscovering the "toy that's hidden in his diaper".
mhirtes
"Brian O'connell" <doge...@comcast.net> wrote:
Like I keep saying. There seems to be more about the charges against
Paul than what he may be letting on.
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>> I'm not sure, but was of the impression that he was busted, or at least
>> caught the initial interest of the authorities, for the content of his
>> website. There were some nekked furries there. In Fangs of Kaath, there
>> was a small child with too much interest in adult sex which may also be
>> an issue. However, I suspect the thrust of the case is on the old
>> "cartoons are for children and they must be protected from sex" and/or
>> the notion that the cartoon characters have childish features and
>> therefore must be child pornography. In either event, it smells of which
>> hunt rather an any reasonable criminal case.
>
>In which case, Ralph Bakshi can be sent off to prison for "The Nine Lives of
>Fritz the Cat", since one constant joke throughout the film was Fritz's
>toddler son constantly rediscovering the "toy that's hidden in his diaper".
Unlike Paul, Bakshi isn't an Australian citizen, living in his homeland (or at
least I don't THINK he's an Aus -- I'm too lazy to check right now). I've read
New Zealand can get like this, too.
Steven R. Addlesee
> >Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
> >Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
> >proceeds for his defense fund.
>
> Well.. get inking allready...
Sorry, not my lookout for two reasons. 1. I'm not in furdom. 2. No
one's going to ask for any contributions from me (although I did do an
illo for the McMoo benefit comic) because I'm not in furdom.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> > > The two most prominent current furry publishers have both done benefit
> comics
> > > in the past... and it would seem once or twice was enough for both of
> them (one
> > > even commented on the amount of effort involved, and said he wouldn't be
> doing
> > > that again soon).
> >
> > If it's the one I'm thinking of, I was there when they said that.
> > My comment was just a poke since it seems that now whenever an artist
> > has a bad day they suddenly get a benefit comic.
>
> Mike here. I think, Steve, I was the one who said we wouldn't do it again.
> And I still say it. Since then, if Carole and I know someone that needs
> help, we just help them ourselves if we can.
You're correct, you're the one who said it (I didn't want to disclose
your identity as I thought it'd cast you in a bad light).
> Kate Worley never had a benefit comic, her partner Reed Waller did. Kitchen
> Sink did two issues of IMAGES OF OMAHA.
>
> I contacted Reed for IN THE ZONE, since he knew McMurry. He agreed to be in
> the book, then never answered emails.
>
> Class act, says I
You asked me to participate, which I did. I was acquainted with
McMurray from ConFurence and ZonieCon. In my opinion, he was one of
the good ones.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
Wanderer
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> "Tamar" <how...@erie.net> shall never vanquished be until great Birnam
> wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
> >What has he ever done that actually had a child in it anyway, human or
> >furry? Nothing that I can remember.
>
> http://www.furnation.com/furplay/FARK/kiddisapedo.jpg
>
> I didn't title the upload that mind. It's someone elses website.
>
Yes, "Furplay" has that website. And, gee, who do we know who thinks most of
the fandom is one great mass of corruption waiting to explode into pus, and
who also published a magazine called "Furplay"? Gee, I wonder...
In any event, actually reading the dialogue tells you that Itbit isn't
talking about herself when she mentions the "happywriggle", but about the
woman planning the surprise for Raschid, which Itbit has been sent to summon
him to. Itbit, as she mentions, isn't old enough to be a harem girl yet.
(Sakes, am I the only one that understands medieval grammar around here?)
In fact, Itbit goes on to mention that the food taster ("skinny lady - food
taster") wants to "happywriggle" with Raschid... hardly likely if, as you
insist on twisting it, Itbit were making a play for the poor prince.
(Anyone who thinks multiple wives is all fun has never read the history of
Solomon.)
If this is the worst he could find, poor Hirtes must be getting high blood
pressure... after all, how dare we have comics that don't supply him with
horrible, perverted images to throw back at us?
(If you can imagine me saying that with a straight face and a calm, sardonic
voice, you'll have it about right.)
Yours wolfishly,
The smirking,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
[...]
> Here, look for yourselves:
>
> http://www.purehubris.com/squeee
There is nothing on that sight that confirms that.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
iBuck
Doesn't stop ya from pitching in, and besides, you post here, being in the
peanut gallery is enough for me, even if you've shown neglible intrest in
anthropomorphics.
>No
>one's going to ask for any contributions from me (although I did do an
>illo for the McMoo benefit comic) because I'm not in furdom.
a) See above b) I just did...
Steven R. Addlesee
> >1. I'm not in furdom.
>
> Doesn't stop ya from pitching in, and besides, you post here, being in the
> peanut gallery is enough for me, even if you've shown neglible intrest in
> anthropomorphics.
Doesn't matter. At least it doesn't matter coming from the likes of
you.
> >No
> >one's going to ask for any contributions from me (although I did do an
> >illo for the McMoo benefit comic) because I'm not in furdom.
>
> a) See above b) I just did...
Again, doesn't matter. You're not a publisher. Also, you don't give
two egads and a balderdash if I contribute anything to any furry-based
tribute book. This is just point/counterpoint to you. The best thing
for you to do is let me be and I'll do the same for you. There's
absolutely NOTHING to be gain by associating.
Steven R. Addlesee
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>In any event, actually reading the dialogue tells you that Itbit isn't
>talking about herself when she mentions the "happywriggle", but about the
>woman planning the surprise for Raschid, which Itbit has been sent to summon
>him to. Itbit, as she mentions, isn't old enough to be a harem girl yet.
>(Sakes, am I the only one that understands medieval grammar around here?)
>In fact, Itbit goes on to mention that the food taster ("skinny lady - food
>taster") wants to "happywriggle" with Raschid... hardly likely if, as you
>insist on twisting it, Itbit were making a play for the poor prince.
ITBIT! Yeah, that's the name I was trying to remember!
I can add one further note. Although "Fangs" did appear in comic format, this
page was not part of the series. This is a demo page Terrie Smith-Wooten did
before another artist was found, and as such was never published outside of
fannish circles. I don't think the actual comic that MU Pubs put out ever
included this character.
Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but the
lettering is questionable (without space between the lines, legibility
suffers).
Glen Wooten
> Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but
> the lettering is questionable (without space between the lines,
> legibility suffers).
You can blame me for that. She was not liking the way her hand lettering
was looking, so I showed her my old Ames Lettering Guide (known to
millions of students in drafting class) to "standardize" things a bit.
Well, it obviously didn't work all that wonderfully for this particular
uasge...
--
Glen Wooten
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Glen Wooten
> Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. <ratfinks...@aol.comnoreply> wrote:
>
>> Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but
>> the lettering is questionable (without space between the lines,
>> legibility suffers).
>
> You can blame me for that. She was not liking the way her hand lettering
> was looking, so I showed her my old Ames Lettering Guide (known to
> millions of students in drafting class) to "standardize" things a bit.
> Well, it obviously didn't work all that wonderfully for this particular
> uasge...
Or "usage", whatever...
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>> Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but
>> the lettering is questionable (without space between the lines,
>> legibility suffers).
>
>You can blame me for that. She was not liking the way her hand lettering
>was looking, so I showed her my old Ames Lettering Guide (known to
>millions of students in drafting class) to "standardize" things a bit.
>Well, it obviously didn't work all that wonderfully for this particular
>uasge...
Uhm... I am familar with the Ames (I use one, myself). One of the features is
that it *includes* guides for spacing between text. I take it you gave her a
quick lesson since then?
Glen Wooten
>>From: Glen Wooten jag...@rexx.com
>>Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. <ratfinks...@aol.comnoreply> wrote:
>
>>> Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but
>>> the lettering is questionable (without space between the lines,
>>> legibility suffers).
>>
>>You can blame me for that. She was not liking the way her hand lettering
>>was looking, so I showed her my old Ames Lettering Guide (known to
>>millions of students in drafting class) to "standardize" things a bit.
>>Well, it obviously didn't work all that wonderfully for this particular
>
> Uhm... I am familar with the Ames (I use one, myself). One of the features
> is that it *includes* guides for spacing between text. I take it you gave
> her a quick lesson since then?
Actually, I do most of the lettering now, using the power of the computer
(as is the standard these days - I remember the pain of making signs for
UTK years ago - but 'tis letter-perfect in just a minute with Word Perfect
and a laser). As you might have guessed, she was also using one of my old
templates for the lettering. What works for a draftsman doesn't necessarily
come easy to an artist, and vice-versa (I could lay you out a beautiful
house, but draw a picture - not a chance.)
mhirtes
Glen Wooten <jag...@rexx.com> wrote:
> Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. <ratfinks...@aol.comnoreply> wrote:
> >>From: Glen Wooten jag...@rexx.com
> >>Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. <ratfinks...@aol.comnoreply> wrote:
> >
> >>> Looking at the page it seems to me the art is her usual good work, but
> >>> the lettering is questionable (without space between the lines,
> >>> legibility suffers).
> >>
> >>You can blame me for that. She was not liking the way her hand lettering
> >>was looking, so I showed her my old Ames Lettering Guide (known to
> >>millions of students in drafting class) to "standardize" things a bit.
> >>Well, it obviously didn't work all that wonderfully for this particular
> >>usage...
> >
> > Uhm... I am familar with the Ames (I use one, myself). One of the features
> > is that it *includes* guides for spacing between text. I take it you gave
> > her a quick lesson since then?
>
> Actually, I do most of the lettering now, using the power of the computer
> (as is the standard these days - I remember the pain of making signs for
> UTK years ago - but 'tis letter-perfect in just a minute with Word Perfect
> and a laser). As you might have guessed, she was also using one of my old
> templates for the lettering. What works for a draftsman doesn't necessarily
> come easy to an artist, and vice-versa (I could lay you out a beautiful
> house, but draw a picture - not a chance.)
LOL! Going from Paul Kidd being a pederast to talking about lettering.
Furry fandom. Jeez!
iBuck
>you.
As you idea of what the likes of me is, rather vague ad quite frankly
-inaccurate, that's entirely debatable..
>You're not a publisher.
Welcome to the net, everyone's a publisher... Besides, dead tree publication
is hardly the only way to make a art/cash exchange, there's auctions,
comissions etc..
Mike and Carole
"iBuck" <lncra...@aol.com.star> wrote in message
news:20040607080839...@mb-m29.aol.com...
No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not really
enough of a description of what he does.
Nowadays, everyone in comics wears several hats. Steve is a PROMOTER of his
talent and ideas, he's a SELF STARTER, not waiting for someone to tell him
to get off his ass and meet the deadline. He's a NETWORKER, lining up
talent to work with on projects he's involved in. He also happens to be one
of the BEST inkers we work with. When Joe Staton of SCOOBY DOO was lined up
with us for an ATOMIC MOUSE story, his was the first name we thought of for
inking it.
We are publishers. We will not be doing a Paul Kidd benefit comic so far as
we know. Doing those is like getting a gorilla to squeeze your orange juice
for you, when a juicer can do it with much less fuss and trouble. We ARE
looking into the situation and figuring out what is the best course to take
to help him though.
Mike and Carole
Wanderer
>
> No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not really
> enough of a description of what he does.
True. He's a pretty good artist, too, along with the examples below of his
many talents.:)
>
> Nowadays, everyone in comics wears several hats. Steve is a PROMOTER of
his
> talent and ideas, he's a SELF STARTER, not waiting for someone to tell him
> to get off his ass and meet the deadline. He's a NETWORKER, lining up
> talent to work with on projects he's involved in. He also happens to be
one
> of the BEST inkers we work with. When Joe Staton of SCOOBY DOO was lined
up
> with us for an ATOMIC MOUSE story, his was the first name we thought of
for
> inking it.
<eyes light up> o/Tell me more, tell me more, tell me mo-o-ore...\o
>
> We are publishers. We will not be doing a Paul Kidd benefit comic so far
as
> we know. Doing those is like getting a gorilla to squeeze your orange
juice
> for you, when a juicer can do it with much less fuss and trouble. We ARE
> looking into the situation and figuring out what is the best course to
take
> to help him though.
>
Amen.:) When you can get some info as to what's going on, though, could you
let us know? It's very frustrating, being this much in the dark.
Yours wolfishly,
The info-seeking,
Mulciber
news:10c8oee...@corp.supernews.com:
Word is the whole problem is due to a couple of pictures he had on his
site of his own children in the bathtub, and nothing to with horny
underage mice, buttered or plain, or indeed anything at all furry, so no
call for schaedenfreude on a Certain Doomcryer's part.
~M
steve gallacci
> Word is the whole problem is due to a couple of pictures he had on his
> site of his own children in the bathtub, and nothing to with horny
> underage mice, buttered or plain, or indeed anything at all furry, so no
> call for schaedenfreude on a Certain Doomcryer's part.
>
a post from Paul a couple days ago, he was convicted on the contents of
a computer at his house that some other fans had been using, with files
of naughty stuff in it. As he portrays it, the prosecution was one of
these decency zealots who had zeroed in on Paul as a NEXUS OF EVIL (tm),
insisting that there were no fans, or other sources of naughty content,
only Paul, and that Evil Must Be Stopped and Examples Must Be Made.
Chuck Melville
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. wrote:
>>From: BR brodr...@comcast.net
>>On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:12:07 +0000, Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. wrote:
>
>
>>>I have to agree. I thought about it, and I'm quite certain I can't
>>>remember any children in his works, either.
>>
>>Picture or written? "Fangs of K'aath" has a child as one of the
>>characters, and I believe "A Whisper of Wings" did too.
>
>
> Whups. You're right.
>
> I don't recall the name in "Whisper," but in "Fangs" I think her name was
> Yarim... or was it Tarim? Either way, those are both prose. I still don't
> recall any comics he's written that had children.
Actually, the child character in "Fangs" was a mouse-child named Itbit,
who assisted the harem seamstress. Yarim was a mouse dancer who had
been permanently dyed blue.
Chuck Melville
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. wrote:
>>From: "Wanderer" wand...@ticnet.com
>>"Aksirrtsoeks The Tactless Vargr Corsair" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>
>>>"Tamar" <how...@erie.net> shall never vanquished be until great Birnam
>
>
>>In any event, actually reading the dialogue tells you that Itbit isn't
>>talking about herself when she mentions the "happywriggle", but about the
>>woman planning the surprise for Raschid, which Itbit has been sent to summon
>>him to. Itbit, as she mentions, isn't old enough to be a harem girl yet.
>>(Sakes, am I the only one that understands medieval grammar around here?)
>>In fact, Itbit goes on to mention that the food taster ("skinny lady - food
>>taster") wants to "happywriggle" with Raschid... hardly likely if, as you
>>insist on twisting it, Itbit were making a play for the poor prince.
>
>
> ITBIT! Yeah, that's the name I was trying to remember!
>
> I can add one further note. Although "Fangs" did appear in comic format, this
> page was not part of the series. This is a demo page Terrie Smith-Wooten did
> before another artist was found, and as such was never published outside of
> fannish circles. I don't think the actual comic that MU Pubs put out ever
> included this character.
We hadn't reached that part of the story before we'd ceased
publication; that was still several chapters down the line. If we had
lasted that long, we would have included that scene, although it would
have been drawn by the regular artist of the series. Itbit was
something of a provacateur for the troubled romance between Raschid and
Sandhri, but was not herself a participant in any other way, nor was it
ever even hinted at in the story.
Jenna
the Australian police be busting him over that? They could get him for
material on his website, assuming it was hosted in Australia, and for
material he possessed, regardless of where it was published, but not
for stuff which had published in another country. That's assuming any
of that stuff is arrestable material anyway, which seems very unlikely
to me. There's either more (or less) going on here.
iBuck
>enough of a description of what he does.
>
And he seems to think I'm some kind of trool because I wondered what he's was
doing in the fandom besides looking for fame and glory.
It's a odd fandom to join for that, especially when I have -yet- to hear him
say anything about an intrest in anthro characters..
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
> news:10866122...@news.cyberback.com...
> >
> > No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not really
> > enough of a description of what he does.
>
> True. He's a pretty good artist, too, along with the examples below of his
> many talents.:)
Good artist. LOUSY human being.
'Nuff said.
mhirtes
steve gallacci <bev...@comcast.net> wrote:
Of course, this all from Paul's POV, who would no doubt feel like he's
being "kept down by The Man" because of his genius.
"Wasn't me! Wasn't me! It was......uhhhhhh......OTHER PEOPLE putting
stuff on my 'puter. Yeah! That's the ticket. Yeaaaaaah!"
PUH-LEEZE!
mhirtes
Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:
>
> We hadn't reached that part of the story before we'd ceased
> publication; that was still several chapters down the line. If we had
> lasted that long, we would have included that scene, although it would
> have been drawn by the regular artist of the series. Itbit was
> something of a provacateur for the troubled romance between Raschid and
> Sandhri, but was not herself a participant in any other way, nor was it
> ever even hinted at in the story.
>
>
Bullshit!
"Maybe Itbit become harem girl for thee."
"Best girl in all of palace."
"Make happywriggles all night eat cakes all day."
"Oh really. And what will open up this world of bliss?"
Even a furry is gonna have a hard time trying to twist around THAT
little bit of NAMBLA fanfic and make it look benign.
(Nice try at it anyway, Chucko)
mhirtes
je...@dog.com (Jenna) wrote:
Obviously. But don't expect Paul to own up to any of it. You furries are
all he's got left and he's not gonna risk losing that while he still has
a chance of conning you into even doing a benefit comic for him.
One of furrydumb's most "successful" being convicted of being a
pedophile. Oh yeah. That's gonna be a VERY nice addition to every media
reporter's "furries are bizarre" folder.
(BTW, when Australian convicts "toss the salad", do they lick clockwise
or counter-clockwise? Let's ask Paul a year from now, shall we? LOL!)
Glen Wooten
>
> LOL! Going from Paul Kidd being a pederast to talking about lettering.
>
> Furry fandom. Jeez!
Why, yes, nimrod - since it was one of the only solid items in this
entire thread, I would respond to it. I had you kill-filed, but that's
pretty useless when everyone is responding to your bile.
Paul Kidd, who's never done anything to you (except possibly refusing to
accept your international collect calls at 3AM), has been in some legal
trouble, yes. I've spoken to him about it, and while he requested that
I keep it mum, I can say that you can certainly speculate wildly when you
have no information whatsoever. Remember folks, Australia is the home of
the kangaroo court, and a prosecuter out to make a name for himself
generally doesn't need to be encumbered by excessive facts - all he needs
to do is spin a good scary story - and we know how difficult it is to
ruin a good person's name with wild yet false accusations (for reference,
see the hundreds of cases where a person convited of "abuse" was later
overturned because it was found that witnesses were coached, or "repressed
memories" suggested by a phony therapist, or facts that would show the
whole case was a sham not allowed to be brought into evidence because they
arrived too late in the evidentury process).
It boils down to this - you can either buy Paul's version, in which he is
innocent, but doesn't want to go into details on the net; or you can buy
into 'Mazin Michael's wild theories, basing your opinion on the past
history of the person. Based on that, I'd pick Paul any day of the week.
Hell, I'd pick ANYONE over 'Mazin Michael any day of the week.
And for those of you thinking about supporting Michael, even tangentaly,
keep this in mind - Paul Kidd never did anything to Michael, and he's
willing, nay, wanting to be the one to throw the torch when Paul is burned
at the stake. I know that Michael hates me, because I remember his past
actions, and hence am a threat. But Paul never did or said anything
against Michael, not in public. See how quickly he turned on Paul?
Keep that in mind if you wish to support the foaming troll...
Chuck Melville
mhirtes wrote:
> In article <ca1ti9$156m$1...@velox.critter.net>,
> Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:
>
>
>> We hadn't reached that part of the story before we'd ceased
>>publication; that was still several chapters down the line. If we had
>>lasted that long, we would have included that scene, although it would
>>have been drawn by the regular artist of the series. Itbit was
>>something of a provacateur for the troubled romance between Raschid and
>>Sandhri, but was not herself a participant in any other way, nor was it
>>ever even hinted at in the story.
>>
>>
>
>
> Bullshit!
>
> "Maybe Itbit become harem girl for thee."
>
> "Best girl in all of palace."
>
> "Make happywriggles all night eat cakes all day."
Bullshit yourself, Michael. Even from that one page, anyone with more
than a fifth-grade education can evaluate the content and put it in
proper context. It's obvious from the scene that Itbit is being playful
and is teasing the Prince, but is in no other way being forward with any
sort of sexual advance. It's obvious that she knows what sort of
hijinks go on in the harem -- kind of difficult to live within a harem
and -not- know -- but she doesn't have an interest in it beyond pairing
up the right couples (or specific couple in the event of this story) to
see them happy. The events within the story make that clear, and the
scene in question shows nothing more than a child's playful teasing. It
takes a person with darker inclinations to intentionally read something
foul into it.
But this has nothing to do with truth or misconstruance, does it,
Michael? The fact is, you care nothing one way or another whether Paul
is guilty, innocent, sinner, saint, or Presbyterean. It's just another
chance for you to kick someone, so you can glory in their pain and
lessen your own, and what better target than someone who's currently
down. You are a pathetic little person, Michael, who lives for nothing
better than for the moment that he can stick pins into passerbys, for no
better reason than that they are going somewhere while you remain stuck
in your own little mire.
You have our collective pity.
mhirtes
Glen Wooten <jag...@rexx.com> wrote:
> mhirtes <m...@nospambots.com> wrote:
> >
> > LOL! Going from Paul Kidd being a pederast to talking about lettering.
> >
> > Furry fandom. Jeez!
>
> Why, yes, nimrod - since it was one of the only solid items in this
> entire thread, I would respond to it.
No. It's a cute little distraction. Kind of like plugging your ears and
shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA A! PAUL KIDD IS GREAT! LA LA L ALA
LA!"
> I had you kill-filed, but that's
> pretty useless when everyone is responding to your bile.
>
> Paul Kidd, who's never done anything to you (except possibly refusing to
> accept your international collect calls at 3AM),
OO! Nice digging up of ancient dirt. Guess you're always one that knows
what time it is anywhere on the planet, huh? QUICK! What time is it now
in East Timor! No peeking on the Internet to find out.
> has been in some legal
> trouble, yes. I've spoken to him about it, and while he requested that
> I keep it mum,
Yep. Keep it mum. Even furrydumb won't tolerate a pederast in their
midst, celeb or no celeb. Even Lance Rund would get the heave-ho if he
got caught playing "Archbishop".
> I can say that you can certainly speculate wildly when you
> have no information whatsoever. Remember folks, Australia is the home of
> the kangaroo court, and a prosecuter out to make a name for himself
> generally doesn't need to be encumbered by excessive facts - all he needs
> to do is spin a good scary story - and we know how difficult it is to
> ruin a good person's name with wild yet false accusations (for reference,
> see the hundreds of cases where a person convited of "abuse" was later
> overturned because it was found that witnesses were coached, or "repressed
> memories" suggested by a phony therapist, or facts that would show the
> whole case was a sham not allowed to be brought into evidence because they
> arrived too late in the evidentury process).
Blah blah blah blah and blah! Yeah, Paul Kidd is innocent
becuase......he's Paul Kidd! Of course! How stupid of me. If it pleases
M'ludd we'd like to drop all charges and give the defendant a keg party
in his honor. HURRAH!
>
> It boils down to this - you can either buy Paul's version, in which he is
> innocent, but doesn't want to go into details on the net; or you can buy
> into 'Mazin Michael's wild theories,
"'Mzin' Michael"'s wild theory is that there seems to be more stink to
what Paul's been divulging. No prosecutor is gonna risk making an ass of
himself by making any charges that aren't airtight enough to hold up in
a court of law. Ergo, there's more to the thing than some "furry pr0n"
on a 'puter somewhere.
> basing your opinion on the past
> history of the person. Based on that, I'd pick Paul any day of the week.
> Hell, I'd pick ANYONE over 'Mazin Michael any day of the week.
Well, I'm not surprised, since you know I'm one of those who has been
the most vocal of the way you pimp your wife out. Kind of honored that
you'd loathe me so. Really, I am.
>
> And for those of you thinking about supporting Michael, even tangentaly,
> keep this in mind - Paul Kidd never did anything to Michael,
Bullshit!
Paul Kidd is BACKSTABBER. Just because it didn't happen on AFF doesn't
mean that it didn't happen period.
> and he's
> willing, nay, wanting to be the one to throw the torch when Paul is burned
> at the stake.
And yes, I will fully admit that I'd be more than glad, eager even, to
be able to bring the Duralogs. Takes a certain level of nastiness to
truly earn my ire and my schadenfreude, and Paul's qualified most
handsomely.
You do not know the REAL Paul Kidd. Oh yeah, you'll pull some more
bragging from your ass and dispute that most vigorously, but the fact
remains that you still serve a purpose to Paul, and that's why you only
know his _good_ side (for as long as you still serve that purpose, of
course).
> I know that Michael hates me, because I remember his past
> actions, and hence am a threat.
Threat? LOL! I find it both sad and amusing (samuzing?) to think that
all you ever are, that you ever will be, is a guy in a stunted fandom
that pimps out his much more talented wife to the goobers. I'd sooner
prefer to be reincarnated as Brian O'Connell's buttplug than be anything
resembling envious or "threatened" by the likes of you.
You remember my past? OOOO! Mrs. Terrie Smith wants to rehash the PAST.
Try doing some living in the PRESENT, retard! Better do it soon. If even
artists like Larry Elmore are ending up appearing at rinky-dink cons &
flea markets, what sort of a chance do you think your ho' Terrie's gonna
have?
Better think hard about that now. Reality's staring at you, and it's got
MY face. AND it's grinning.
> But Paul never did or said anything
> against Michael, not in public.
In private, oh yeah. Backstabbing in the dark. Too bad I'm too much a
noisy bastard to allow him to keep what he did a secret, huh?
Like I said, there's more to Paul than what he allows the furrydumb to
find out. And you thought Bush was a hypocrite who hides behind a wall
of lies.
> See how quickly he turned on Paul?
> Keep that in mind if you wish to support the foaming troll...
Nice try at damage control there, goon. Too bad you can't spew that crap
in court however. Say all you want, but the fact remains that Paul
Kidd's in the firm hard grip of the REAL world this time, and that means
*I'M* getting the last laugh, and there's NOTHING that you or your
precious fandumb can do about it!
Hee Hee! Schadenfreude, baby!
mhirtes
Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bullshit!
> >
> > "Maybe Itbit become harem girl for thee."
> >
> > "Best girl in all of palace."
> >
> > "Make happywriggles all night eat cakes all day."
>
> Bullshit yourself, Michael. Even from that one page, anyone with more
> than a fifth-grade education can evaluate the content and put it in
> proper context.
Yeah, and all it takes is a poster-sized blowup of that panel in the
Australian criminal court to drive a nail into Paul's coffin. One good
long look at it by the jury and KABOOM!
Anyone know the address/number of the prosecutor's office? I'd like to
email him/her something.
This is one time I'm savoring the event where all of furrydumb's
self-perception of omnipotence is proven to amount to SQUAT when
compared to the power of Reality.
;)
Glen Wooten
>
>> Paul Kidd, who's never done anything to you (except possibly refusing to
>> accept your international collect calls at 3AM),
>
> OO! Nice digging up of ancient dirt. Guess you're always one that knows
> what time it is anywhere on the planet, huh? QUICK! What time is it now
> in East Timor! No peeking on the Internet to find out.
Since that was the sole "evil thing" Paul has spoken about you, that's the
item I used, nimrod. And other than what time it was (which was only part
of the problem), you called him international collect just to be entertained
by him. He was too polite to just scream "SOD OFF, GIT" and slam down the
phone. I notice that you didn't deny calling him collect.
> Blah blah blah blah and blah! Yeah, Paul Kidd is innocent
> becuase......he's Paul Kidd! Of course! How stupid of me. If it pleases
> M'ludd we'd like to drop all charges and give the defendant a keg party
> in his honor. HURRAH!
Paul is considered innocent because - he has a good reputation, people trust
him because of his known history. You are considered a nimrod because you
are... a nimrod, and prove it every time you open your mouth.
> "'Mzin' Michael"'s wild theory is that there seems to be more stink to
> what Paul's been divulging. No prosecutor is gonna risk making an ass of
> himself by making any charges that aren't airtight enough to hold up in
> a court of law. Ergo, there's more to the thing than some "furry pr0n"
> on a 'puter somewhere.
"'Mazin" - learn how to spell. And you've obviously not been paying any
attention to the hundreds of cases that have been proven to be totally
bogus because of what is generally termed to be "Witch Hunt". A local
case here concerns Dale Akiki - look it up. Child therapists "coaching"
children to say he did things to them, experts "proving" that he did it
all by bringing forward children's "repressed memories" - the man was
haunted for 3 years, held in jail for 30 months, and when finally all
was brought forward - there was not one trace of evidence that he did
anything wrong. His crime - he had a few physical differences that
made a few of the parents a little scared - so he MUST be abusing 35
different children.
"No prosecuter is going to risk making an ass of himself"? They do it on
a fairly regular basis.
>> And for those of you thinking about supporting Michael, even tangentaly,
>> keep this in mind - Paul Kidd never did anything to Michael,
>
> Bullshit!
>
> Paul Kidd is BACKSTABBER. Just because it didn't happen on AFF doesn't
> mean that it didn't happen period.
Yes, I'm quite certain that given time, you could make up... I mean
uncover something not complimentary that Paul said about you. But that's
"character definition", not "character assassination".
> Threat? LOL! I find it both sad and amusing (samuzing?) to think that
> all you ever are, that you ever will be, is a guy in a stunted fandom
> that pimps out his much more talented wife to the goobers.
Is Terrie a much better artist than I am? Well of course she is, nimrod.
I'm an engineer, not an artist. Don't ever recall saying otherwise.
Hugh Mann
> the kangaroo court
According to the sources I checked, the origin of that phrase is unknown
and has nothing to do with the Australian legal system. Let's not make
assumptions about another country's courts just because of the existence
of that term. Stick to the facts of the case.
http://www.abc.net.au/classic/breakfast/stories/s939442.htm
http://www.fact-index.com/k/ka/kangaroo_court.html
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordork.htm
Glen Wooten
>> Remember folks, Australia is the home of the kangaroo court
>
> According to the sources I checked, the origin of that phrase is unknown
> and has nothing to do with the Australian legal system. Let's not make
> assumptions about another country's courts just because of the existence
> of that term. Stick to the facts of the case.
I stand corrected - the term did not originate in Australia, but was
coined by Australians. The earliest reference is from 1853, in the gold
fields of California. There were more than a few Australian prospectors
looking to make their fortune there (when, in fact, the miners made almost
no money - the saloons & mercantiles, they cleaned up...) Informal courts
were set up in the nearest spot of civilization (generally, the nearest
saloon & mercantile) to rule over claim disputes, or "claim jumping".
Since the Australians would connect "jumping" with "kangaroos", then it
was a simple step over to call the court a "kangaroo court", or "claim-
jumper's court" (kangaroo court sounding better). Since the courts were
often not very fair (slip the judge a little gold dust and you could
generally sew up the verdict), they were often not thought of as fair,
and so "kangaroo court" tended to be associated with a court that the
outcome was fairly predictable, no matter what the weight of the evidence
was.
iBuck
>> what time it is anywhere on the planet, huh
No, but if I was about to make a call halfway across the world, I'd sure as
heck check first...
batty
> I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
> problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
> some information?
I can't find anything on the local news services here, but that's not
a surprise.
These are the laws he'd be prosecuted under:
http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens1.html
If he has "R" rated material on his website, and his site was hosted
by an Australian ISP, then he has broken the law. Such is the laws
passed by out luddite senators.
batty
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
I thourt that Steven R. Addlesse was your freand?
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
Spirou
dewh...@optusnet.com.au (batty) wrote:
> "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
> news:<10863133...@news.cyberback.com>...
> > I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
> > problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
> > some information?
> I can't find anything on the local news services here, but that's not
> a surprise.
That's because the case is about two years(+) old, by now. It started
as an accusation of "child p0rn," brought forth by a nosy film developer
clerk, involving a simple picture of Mr. Kidd's children playing in the
tub. Those charges did not stick, when, more or less, it became evident
that those pictures were just that: The pictures taken by a Dad, of his
kids playing in the tub. Instead of dropping the case (And lose face,)
they tried a charge of "Pornography," which are extremely nasty in
Australia, Law wise. Case is still ongoing.
> These are the laws he'd be prosecuted under:
> http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/cens1.html
Case in point about Australia's "P0rn" laws.
> If he has "R" rated material on his website, and his site was hosted
> by an Australian ISP, then he has broken the law. Such is the laws
> passed by our luddite senators.
>
> batty
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Spirou
Spirou <spi...@spam.nothanks.net> wrote:
> Instead of dropping the case (And lose face,) they tried a charge
> of "Pornography," which are extremely nasty in Australia, Law wise.
To clarify, the "Pornography" charge involved Art images found on
his website, not the photographs.
Steven R. Addlesee
> > At least it doesn't matter coming from the likes of
> >you.
>
> As you idea of what the likes of me is, rather vague ad quite frankly
> -inaccurate, that's entirely debatable..
>
> >You're not a publisher.
>
> Welcome to the net, everyone's a publisher... Besides, dead tree publication
> is hardly the only way to make a art/cash exchange, there's auctions,
> comissions etc..
Cripes.....as I said, "point/counterpoint", yet another effort to
one-up me. Forget trying to convince or persuade me to contribute to
a possible benefit comic, just argue with me is your goal. No
argument from me for you; back to the killfile.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
Chee...what did I do to rate "LOUSY human being" from you?
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
> news:10866122...@news.cyberback.com...
> >
> > No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not really
> > enough of a description of what he does.
>
> True. He's a pretty good artist, too, along with the examples below of his
> many talents.:)
You'll turn my head and make me blush. I wish more people like you
had been around between 1994-2000.
> > Nowadays, everyone in comics wears several hats. Steve is a PROMOTER of
> his
> > talent and ideas, he's a SELF STARTER, not waiting for someone to tell him
> > to get off his ass and meet the deadline. He's a NETWORKER, lining up
> > talent to work with on projects he's involved in. He also happens to be
> one
> > of the BEST inkers we work with. When Joe Staton of SCOOBY DOO was lined
> up
> > with us for an ATOMIC MOUSE story, his was the first name we thought of
> for
> > inking it.
>
> <eyes light up> o/Tell me more, tell me more, tell me mo-o-ore...\o
Considering the source (Mike Curtis), that's high praise. You're not
going to find many endorsements of me as a person or as an
artist/inker (except maybe in Friends_of_Addlesee). In fact, I just
read a post in this thread where someone referred to me as a good
artist but a LOUSY human being. I suppose I was correct when I said
"betrayal is inevitable."
Steven R. Addlesee (STILL wondering what he did or didn't do to rate
the "LOUSY human being" award from Mike Hirtes)
Steven R. Addlesee
> No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not really
> enough of a description of what he does.
>
> Nowadays, everyone in comics wears several hats. Steve is a PROMOTER of his
> talent and ideas, he's a SELF STARTER, not waiting for someone to tell him
> to get off his ass and meet the deadline. He's a NETWORKER, lining up
> talent to work with on projects he's involved in. He also happens to be one
> of the BEST inkers we work with. When Joe Staton of SCOOBY DOO was lined up
> with us for an ATOMIC MOUSE story, his was the first name we thought of for
> inking it.
Mike.....thank you. This is high praise coming from you and I
appreciate it. I wish I was more successful with the many hats I wear
(besides my trademark tam o'shanter), but I'll always have the Maytag
repairman's cap that you gave me some years ago (I'll wear it for a
day at Dragon*Con).
Again, thank you for the high praise.
Steven R. Addlesee
Wanderer
Hirtes, but you're confusing the reader when you omit descriptions and break
the text into paragraphs based on the number of word balloons.
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
news:mh-591FF1.11...@news.central.cox.net...
> "Maybe Itbit become harem girl for thee. Best girl in all of palace.
Make happywriggles all night eat cakes all day."
>
> "Oh really. And what will open up this world of bliss?"
"Itbit grow up real soon you bet! She be even prettier than now!"
>
> Even a furry is gonna have a hard time trying to twist around THAT
> little bit of NAMBLA fanfic and make it look benign.
Especially when we have the adult-artwork publishing house of Hirtes and
Hates doing the editing. Nice omission of the payoff, by the way.
Distorted the entire dialogue exchange beautifully. But shouldn't you be
working on Dubya's morning briefing?;)
Again, the dialogue makes it plain that Itbit is not yet old enough to be a
harem girl. Being a young serving girl of the Ancient Middle East setting,
she rather likes the idea of being a harem girl... when she's old enough.
Again, nice try, Mr. Hirtes. If you get a favorable censor, you could even
get someone sued with tricks like that. Give my regards to the Bush that
grows in Washington, won't you?
Yours blandly,
The wolfish,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Wanderer
news:20040607222432...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> >Guess you're always one that knows
> >> what time it is anywhere on the planet, huh
>
> No, but if I was about to make a call halfway across the world, I'd sure
as
> heck check first...
And darn few of us would have the gall to call Australia collect.
As fur the time, since you're plainly online, here's a helpful link, Mr.
Hirtes:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
There. Don't say I never gave you anything.;)
Yours wolfishly,
The giving,
Wanderer
news:m3smd6b...@dformosa.zeta.org.au...
> mhirtes <m...@nospambots.com> writes:
>
<snip... re: Steven R. Addlesee>
> > Good artist. LOUSY human being.
>
> I thourt that Steven R. Addlesse was your freand?
>
I think Hirtes thought we were talking about Gallacci (sp?).
Yours wolfishly,
The doubt-offering,
DishRoom1
mhites wrote --
> No. They call YOU the perverts.
>>
>> (And in O'Connell's case, a THIEVING pervert at that).
>
>Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
>Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
>proceeds for his defense fund.
>
Hey, that's a cool idea. :-)
John Shughart
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
> Spirou <spi...@spam.nothanks.net> wrote:
>
>> Instead of dropping the case (And lose face,) they tried a charge
>> of "Pornography," which are extremely nasty in Australia, Law wise.
>
> To clarify, the "Pornography" charge involved Art images found on
>his website, not the photographs.
So let me get this straight -- this crap has been going on for 2 years and the
site they are complaining about is still up, complete with the imagery they are
attempting to nail him for?
I know courts can be slow and public servants overworked, but if they really
thought they had a case wouldn't they have had it pulled off the air by now?
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I wrote --
Steven R. Addlesee wrote --
>> >Hurm.....I'm surprised no one's touched on it. Does this mean a Paul
>> >Kidd benefit comic?! C'mon, get to work, furdom, Paul needs the
>> >proceeds for his defense fund.
>>
>> Ah. Would this be before or after a similar effort on behalf of Kate
>Worley,
>> to
>> help with her fight against cancer?
>
>Kate never asked to have cancer.
>
>Or, maybe you all can do it under the "Brian O'Connell Plan". Remember
>when he demanded that everyone in furrydumb send him one dollar (1
>dollar X thousands of phurries).
>
>God, what a big brainfart THAT idea of his was. But then again, it DID
>fall out O'Connell's skull, so DUHH!!!!!
Well, Hirtes, there you go again...
John Shughart
Wanderer
news:f86d0e99.04060...@posting.google.com...
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote in message
news:<10c8oee...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
> > news:10866122...@news.cyberback.com...
> > >
> > > No, Steve's not a publisher. He's an inker, although that's not
really
> > > enough of a description of what he does.
> >
> > True. He's a pretty good artist, too, along with the examples below of
his
> > many talents.:)
>
> You'll turn my head and make me blush. I wish more people like you
> had been around between 1994-2000.
I was, but Curtis publications weren't sold in my area. Besides, I'm just
being honest...
>
> > > Nowadays, everyone in comics wears several hats. Steve is a PROMOTER
of
> > his
> > > talent and ideas, he's a SELF STARTER, not waiting for someone to tell
him
> > > to get off his ass and meet the deadline. He's a NETWORKER, lining up
> > > talent to work with on projects he's involved in. He also happens to
be
> > one
> > > of the BEST inkers we work with. When Joe Staton of SCOOBY DOO was
lined
> > up
> > > with us for an ATOMIC MOUSE story, his was the first name we thought
of
> > for
> > > inking it.
> >
> > <eyes light up> o/Tell me more, tell me more, tell me mo-o-ore...\o
>
> Considering the source (Mike Curtis), that's high praise. You're not
> going to find many endorsements of me as a person or as an
> artist/inker (except maybe in Friends_of_Addlesee). In fact, I just
> read a post in this thread where someone referred to me as a good
> artist but a LOUSY human being. I suppose I was correct when I said
> "betrayal is inevitable."
>
I still think he saw "Steve" and thought we were talking about Gallacci.
Still, we did tell you he snipes without warning... it's nothing personal to
him, it's just how he deals with people.
Yours wolfishly,
The shrugging,