Jan 14, 2021, 10:04:48 AM1/14/21
Here is what I was able to learn from talking to a woman called "Little Mary" regarding The Murder of Dave and Gary.
Two kids, yes kids, under 18 wanted to know what it felt like to kill somebody. They ran across Dave and Gary and
decided they would be the people they would kill. It was a random bit of incredible cruelty and stupidity.
Little Mary, whom I met and had started to become friends with, and I were talking one time and the subject of a friend
of mine, Dave being murdered one weekend, followed the next weekend by my Mother's death and the next weekend
with my Grandmother's death. I was telling her about where it happened and she interrupted me to tell me that the
two killers had come to her apartment after the killing was done. One of the two had shot himself, she told me, and
she helped him take care of the wound. I was speechless. She thought that what she had done was ok. I think she
must have gathered that I was not impressed at all with her outlook about the murder of one of the nicest men I
have ever known in my life.
She proceeded to tell me that one of the two had told on himself when he was arrested for an unrelated crime in
order to turn over as a witness against the other killer. I believed her and that was that. One night many years later
I decided to see who the two were and searched for the arrest records and court hearings about the crime. There
have never been any arrests in this crime from what I can tell. This means that it is time for the police to talk to
Little Mary, but, I have no idea what her real name is. I do know that she was very popular with the East County
drug crowd. Yes, make of that what you will, I have no secrets regarding my drug usage in the past and/or the present.
I sent a message to crime stoppers regarding what I know about this event. Still nothing as far as I can tell, so, now
I am going to contact the El Cajon police dept and set the record straight as far as I can anyway. I read the account
of the night it happened, and it said that witnesses saw two males running from the scene, one of them might have
been injured. That right there told me that Little Mary had told me the truth as far as one of them having shot
himself. I now wonder why the police were not able to follow the blood trail to the apartment where Little Mary lived.
I will do whatever it takes to make the police listen to what I have to say. Little Mary must have been known to the
local police then by her street name, which is the name that I know her by. If she is still alive it should be easy to
find her. This has been bugging me for quite some time now. Street people, as I am sure you know, do not like
people who talk to the police about criminal actions. Screw it, I am 62, have lived long enough and I will deal
with what comes of this. Wrong is wrong. Taking a man's life simply to know what killing feels like, is bullshit.
They should have joined the Marines or something. The govt would love two more willing killers to join their army.
Dave was a great guy with a heart of gold. He opened his door to me at a time in my life when I was lost and
searching for myself. At the time that he was killed, I was going through the loss of my Mother and
Grandmother and I moved to Las Vegas when my Brother came down and picked me up to take me with
him to find work in Las Vegas and to get clean. In one year's time I went from being 6' tall and weighing 160
pounds to 215 pounds. I was 35 and finally found out what I was supposed to weigh. I was healthy, and
felt lucky to still be alive. I was working security in a little truck stop casino/hotel called the King-8.
I am getting off topic here, so I will get back on topic. I will post here as soon as I have anything to
report as far as this subject goes. I do not want Z to become emotionally distraught so I have not notified
her personally about what I discovered. I think it would be best for her to hear it from detectives when
they get this information and start to look for Little Mary and her information regarding that night.
I think accessory to murder, after the fact, will be plenty of incentive for her to cooperate and tell what
she knows. I am pretty sure that I will have to appear in court, if it goes that far, and I will do so,
gladly, in order for this to be put to rest.
The two assholes, as yet unknown to me, will finally face the music. The debt of gratitude I owe to
Dave and Z will be repaid. I know some of you will think I should have done this long ago.
Well, I did reach out to crimestoppers. They never got back to me. Remember, too, that I was under
the impression, for years, that the two had already been arrested and dealt with. Please do not think
too harshly of me, I truly thought this was already a closed case. It has been about four years
since I found out the two killers were not arrested and that the person who had told me they had been
was a damned liar. She will also get her piece of th edebt that needs to be paid for this heinous,
heartless and remorseless crime.
If there is a Hell, there must be a very special place in it for people who kill simply for a thrill.
Obviously, my name and e-mail address is available here. That should give some assurance
that I am serious about this. I am very nervous about this as well. My Father has told me that
the police usually treat people who bring information forward in a case like this as a suspect.
Fair enough, that is their job. I can stand feeling nervous for a while. When thus is done, I will
feel like I have gained justice for Dave, and Gary, even though I didn't really know Gary at all.
I will send a copy of this message to the El Cajon police as part of my effort to let them
know I am serious about what I am saying.
Thank you for listening.