For Kathmandu
Paul R. Bennett
It all started when I rolled out of bed... Veteran's Day, and I was
asked to assist in marshalling copters at the Veteran's Day ceremony out
at Kanapaha.
Now, I am former Air Force, flightline maintenance, a Technical
Sergeant, qualified in aircraft radio, from the T/AT-33-A, the F-100,
the HH-43A(to keep it definitely furry, the Husky), the F-111
Aardvark(Oh Swing Wing Wonder, Glory and Heart of my soul! Just ask any
Vark maintainer. If you have ever been a Vark maintainer, then you will
always be a Vark maintainer and the Mighty Aardvark never lets go of
your heart), The F-15 Eagle, The F-16 Fighting Falcon(I cadred that
bird three times into new bases)
But I digress...
I showed up at Kanapaha.... pulled on my lime green commo vest and
shoved my radio in my pocket.
I was the chief marshaller for those copters.
We did our duty and marshalled in three choppers, ASO, GPD, and Shands.
And then there were the "Fallling Gators". The parachuters, while an
AT-6 Texan flight circled them.
And then, things got interesting. Now I have never thought of myself as
a Korean War Vet. I mean, Korean War Vets are those Guys and Gals who
served back in '50-'53, Inchon, were hung from the rafters of a hanger
in Kunsan. They were the very real humans who survived, who went through
those hospital units exemplified by M.A.S.H.
I am not a Korean War Vet, any more than I an a 'Nam vet.
I just served. October 81 to October 82, Kunsan Korea.
Thats what I think, but the Law says otherwise. I am recognized for that
service
But, to me, I just served.
The real heros, vets, came out of the fifties. They were getting shot
at.
It's like 'Nam, I am one of the "Garrison Troops" I arrived in Takhli
Thailand as the '73 Bombing Halt started, I was boarding the "Silver
Samlor" headed back to the states, literally, as I watched my Squadron
scramble over the Mayaquez situation.
I am not a hero.... I have just been real lucky, and I have served.
And I have kept serving. I have pulled 24 plus hour shifts when
hurricanes have come ashore. Been a Red Cross volunteer going out to
people who have been flooded out of their homes. Pulled hours as a
SkyWarn net control. Worked public events, not only as commo, but as a
first level medic.
Does not leave me much free time for art. I pretty much have to grab a
few minutes, here and there, now and then, for my writing.
But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
Administration. They have VCL, and Cub Central, and all the age play
areas... and, has been made publicly clear.... Furry does not want
ANYBODY around who dares take exception to this.
Thank god it is not my problem. Not any more.
Kathmandu, you are not alone.
Oh, uh, BTW, I joined the Korean War Vet's organization, revealed my
secret heart of restoring and collecting the test equipment I used as an
Air Force puke... I have been encouraged to bring "My Little Collection"
to a meeting and give a talk.
Next monday, for the enlightenment of your heart, I am scheduled to meet
with the local County Fire Fighters comm group and give a class on
Boolean Algebra and computer chips.
And, snickers...
Furry does not own Anthropomorphics....
I will still write stories and do art, for the "gasp" mainstream world,
to hope for their appreciation.
I will not, and am not willing to surrender anthro art to the fetish
wonderland of Furry. I won't let a handful of leaches grab on to it.
I won't let all the wonders of all the societies that might be in our
dreams be enslaved and raped.
I may well fail, but I will strive.
Paul
J.P. Morgan
> But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
> Administration.
Yep, it's that old Furry Illuminati plotting against you, as always!
"Help help, the paranoids are out to get me!"
Kathmandu
> Furry does not own Anthropomorphics....
I think that sums up my attitude quite nicely. Furry is just a label and
over time this label has earned a tarnished reputation. I didn't contribute
to it but if I use the "furry" label I have to endure the consequences of
that reputation. If I use the "anthro" label I can avoid the majority of
the problems associated with the "furry" label. Yes, there may be guilt by
association or whatnot but I would rather be known as a "skunk fucker lite"
thank you very much.
> I will still write stories and do art, for the "gasp" mainstream world,
> to hope for their appreciation.
> I will not, and am not willing to surrender anthro art to the fetish
> wonderland of Furry. I won't let a handful of leaches grab on to it.
> I won't let all the wonders of all the societies that might be in our
> dreams be enslaved and raped.
> I may well fail, but I will strive.
I think, or at least you sound like you are taking this a little more
seriously than I am. I have said this before but it bears repeating, I
don't care what others do in their bedrooms, it isn't my business. What
bothers me is when what goes on in said bedroom is made public and is
shoved in my face under the furry banner. You have the right attitude Paul,
make and do things that you can be proud of and if you don't want to be
burdened with the morass that "furry" has become, stop being a furry. If
you like the way things are then by all means wear your "furry pride"
button. I, like Martin Luther, have nailed my letter of protest on the
front door of the edifice known as "furry" and those who agree with my
basic tenants can join me in building something different.
Kathmandu, Anthro fan
Viva la Revolution!
Anthro Fan! It's furry without the mess!
Anthro Fan! Skunk Fucker Lite, less squicking, tastes great!
Matt Harpold
> few minutes, here and there, now and then, for my writing.
> But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
> Administration. They have VCL, and Cub Central, and all the age play
> areas... and, has been made publicly clear.... Furry does not want
> ANYBODY around who dares take exception to this.
No, we just don't you. Anyone else can take excpetion all they like. ;-)
Just kidding man, you know I love you.
> Next monday, for the enlightenment of your heart, I am scheduled to meet
> with the local County Fire Fighters comm group and give a class on
> Boolean Algebra and computer chips.
> And, snickers...
> Furry does not own Anthropomorphics....
You're right, there's always the Brave Little Toaster. He's not furry, he's
got more of a chrome patina to him.
> I will still write stories and do art, for the "gasp" mainstream world,
> to hope for their appreciation.
> I will not, and am not willing to surrender anthro art to the fetish
> wonderland of Furry. I won't let a handful of leaches grab on to it.
> I won't let all the wonders of all the societies that might be in our
> dreams be enslaved and raped.
> I may well fail, but I will strive.
> Paul
The wonders of all the societies!
WE WILL NOT GO BRAVELY INTO THIS DARKLY GOOD NIGHT WITHOUT ONE LIFE TO GIVE
FOR OUR FLAG OF ANTHROPOMORPHOSIZOID BEASTS BECAUSE THE ONLY FEAR WE FEAR IS
FEAR ITSELF!
Dude, if you can keep up this level of melodrama, you'll be Dean Koontz
before you know it!
-Matt/Turbinista
Matt Harpold
> > Furry does not own Anthropomorphics....
>
> I think that sums up my attitude quite nicely. Furry is just a label and
> over time this label has earned a tarnished reputation. I didn't
contribute
> to it but if I use the "furry" label I have to endure the consequences of
> that reputation. If I use the "anthro" label I can avoid the majority of
> the problems associated with the "furry" label.
Right, and then once you explain it to people, they'll go "like a furry!"
and you'll try and set 'em straight, and they'll think you're a furry. ;-)
Yes, there may be guilt by
> association or whatnot but I would rather be known as a "skunk fucker
lite"
> thank you very much.
I think you guys need to graduate from high school. ;-) Geeks, gotta love
them. Skins as thin as cheap typing paper.
>
> > I will still write stories and do art, for the "gasp" mainstream world,
> > to hope for their appreciation.
> > I will not, and am not willing to surrender anthro art to the fetish
> > wonderland of Furry. I won't let a handful of leaches grab on to it.
> > I won't let all the wonders of all the societies that might be in our
> > dreams be enslaved and raped.
> > I may well fail, but I will strive.
>
> I think, or at least you sound like you are taking this a little more
> seriously than I am. I have said this before but it bears repeating, I
> don't care what others do in their bedrooms, it isn't my business. What
> bothers me is when what goes on in said bedroom is made public and is
> shoved in my face under the furry banner.
I like how "Shoved in your face" is the conservative mantra these days.
Pride parades are "shoved in your face", gay clubs are "shoved in your
face", furry porn is "Shoved in your face", plushiphiles are "shoved in your
face." Yeah, I got it, I listen to lame talk radio too. You're all SO
original.
It's all a shorthand of saying, "I can be myself but these guys over here
can't be themselves. As long as the whole community reconfigures itself so I
AM CONFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE, all is well!" Pardon me, Paul, and
Katmanwhoozit, and Brian Henderson, and all of you crabby turds if I don't
pit olives for your martinis. The only behavior at cons, furry or otherwise
I have had "shoved in my face" was totally non-sexual. One was a couple of
drunk guys fighting in front of me, another was a nice but woefully stupid
dude who would not leave me alone and kept rambling about some 60's sci-fi
novel. The dealer's room art is behind binders. The art show's adult section
is roped off. There's rules all over the place about doing stupid crap in
public. Security and everything. But it ain't enough. You sniveling
retardates live to whine. Want some cheese with that whine?
Swear to God, you guys go looking for this shit on the net, just so you can
be freaked out about it. You talk about it amongst your friends, so you can
get all riled up. You SEEK IT OUT and then complain that it's shoved in your
face. Paul M Bennet Esquire, I didn't even know who or what Meeko was up
until a few months ago. I swear you know more about freaky furries than I
ever will! Nothing is shoved in your face. It's a line you thought sounded
good so now you use it. And a.f.f is your soapbox. Enjoy your "Talent on
Loan From God!"
I dunno. Just keep talking, guys. We need a bunch of grumps to keep us
watching.
You have the right attitude Paul,
> make and do things that you can be proud of and if you don't want to be
> burdened with the morass that "furry" has become, stop being a furry. If
> you like the way things are then by all means wear your "furry pride"
> button. I, like Martin Luther, have nailed my letter of protest on the
> front door of the edifice known as "furry" and those who agree with my
> basic tenants can join me in building something different.
Martin Luther! Oh the drama! It hurts! I die before your eyes, my heart it
doth leak mine precious lifeblood! See my previous comment about martyrdom.
I hear lumber is on sale at Home Depot
-Matt/Turbooga
Dave the Danceing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>Swear to God, you guys go looking for this shit on the net, just so you can
>be freaked out about it. You talk about it amongst your friends, so you can
>get all riled up. You SEEK IT OUT and then complain that it's shoved in your
>face.
I did that, but then I realised that (well done) furry pr0n totally
RO><><0r.
If these people just went out and said:
"yes, Furry pr0n tottaly RO><><0r and I seek it out"
That would be fine, and everyone would be happy.
But it's not healthy to pretend that you don't like pr0n or sex or
that it's bad or something.
---
If U R Stealing my art
U R raping my soul
PLS don't rape my soul!
Wanderer
news:3fb21c7e...@news.cis.dfn.de...
<snip>
> But it's not healthy to pretend that you don't like pr0n or sex or
> that it's bad or something.
>
<odd look> Sex is fine in its place... but I *don't* like porn.
Yours quickly,
The wolfish,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Dave the Danceing Hyena
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>"Dave the Danceing Hyena" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3fb21c7e...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>
><snip>
>
>> But it's not healthy to pretend that you don't like pr0n or sex or
>> that it's bad or something.
>>
>
><odd look>
Gosh, I'm odd because I have even the vaguest interest in sex and/or
pr0n?
>Sex is fine in its place... but I *don't* like porn.
Yeah, and let me guess.
This "place" is the marriage of a man and women...
Repression is bad for you, you try to squeeze it all down, and it
oozes out elsewhere.
Like with the child abuse of catholic priests...
D Wolf
Danceing Hyena) wrote:
>>Sex is fine in its place... but I *don't* like porn.
>
>Yeah, and let me guess.
>This "place" is the marriage of a man and women...
Did he say that?
I don't like porn much either, but I don't like it because its
generally boring and usually poorly done.
It has to be, its Lowest commom denominator.
Why did Wildlifers stop and Genus just ooze on and on.....?
Dana Wolf a#344
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*I have always thought*
*in the back of my mind*
*Cheese and onions*
Wanderer
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> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:20:22 GMT, dsa...@yahoo.co.uk (Dave the
> Danceing Hyena) wrote:
> >Yeah, and let me guess.
> >This "place" is the marriage of a man and women...
>
> Did he say that?
Good catch, Dana.;) In answer to your question, though, Dave: Not
neccessarily. Personally, I'm saving myself for marriage, but that doesn't
mean two people who really love each other shouldn't go to bed together...
and that's "people", with no gender-modified pronouns. I know some gay
couples who could give the Cleavers a lesson on abiding love...
>
> I don't like porn much either, but I don't like it because its
> generally boring and usually poorly done.
Agreed. A tasteful nude is so hard to find, these days... I mean, does
everything have to be the Popsicle Twins?:/ Besides, art is more
interesting if the subject is doing something.
<snip>
Yours happily,
The art-loving,
PlanetFur
say that Furry is too much porn/adult/fetish/nasty
people really aren't helping their own causes.
Back when C-ACE first started to roll out its
ideas and its format, declaring there would be
absolutely "no porn", people lauded it as great
because they hated porn. They wanted a con
where they could go and not see it.
Funny, from every con I have gone over more
than ten years, I have yet to have porn/nudes
anywhere in my sight unless I seeked it out
and specifically asked for it or opened the
stacked binders marked "NOT FOR KIDS /
HERE BE PORN".
If people who don't want to see porn or nudes
are seeing porn or nudes, then they must be
doing something on their part to see these. By
now people must realize that Orland Furry and
VCL have little to no restriction on adult content,
and that certain artists do certain types of works.
Avoid the ones whose works do not fit your
wants.
As far as the fetishists and such, unless you're into
that group's fantasies, you probably will never
encounter their sessions. Except for how the
media may butcher or exaggerate the events, you'll
probably never see or experience a furpile unless
you seek one out. You'll probably never happen
onto a guy screwing his plush unless your roommate
does it and you go into his room when his door's
closed at the wrong time.
So why the crusade to either "clean up" or make a
new fandom? Because less than 1% of the fans
are wanting attention from the press or others any
way they can? Sounds like throwing out the baby
with the bathwater to avoid what you could easily
avoid. And if you don't like the title "furry" to deal
with the fandom because of its bad connotation,
try either helping to fix it up or just don't tell
people you don't feel will understand.
After all, telling people you're into furry/anthros
is no different than people saying they enjoy furpiles.
Does it really matter if people know?
Kathmandu
"Matt Harpold" <mhar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Eh.. whatever.
Ken Pick
> "Paul R. Bennett" <rf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB172F3...@bellsouth.net>...
>
> > But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
> > Administration.
>
> Yep, it's that old Furry Illuminati plotting against you, as always!
Not the Burned Furs?
I thought the Burned Furs were the Official Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
(TM) of the fandom...
Matt Harpold
> Eh.. whatever.
>
I'm from the UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!
-Matt/Turb
Matt Harpold
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave the Danceing Hyena" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fb21c7e...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>
> <snip>
>
> > But it's not healthy to pretend that you don't like pr0n or sex or
> > that it's bad or something.
> >
>
> <odd look> Sex is fine in its place... but I *don't* like porn.
You just haven't found the right porn. .-)
-Matt/Turb
D Wolf
wrote:
Nah, they just couldn't cope with change. I know, I was one.
But I changed. ; )
Dave the Danceing Hyena
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>"D Wolf" <no...@emailaddress.com> wrote in message
>news:alg4rvg53gs77nh27...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:20:22 GMT, dsa...@yahoo.co.uk (Dave the
>> Danceing Hyena) wrote:
>> >Yeah, and let me guess.
>> >This "place" is the marriage of a man and women...
>>
>> Did he say that?
>
>Good catch, Dana.;)
Will you stop trying to hit on her please.
It's veritably stomach turning to watch your clingy and obsequious
attempts.
I never though you'd end up trying to hit on people on Usenet, but
evidently charles, You did.
iBuck
>front door of the edifice known as "furry" and those who agree with my
>basic tenants can join me in building something different.
What you're claim to be building has allready been built, it's the furry
fandom as it exists today, as opposed to what it was 5 or more years ago at the
debacle that was CF 8 - if you want to insist that you've actually -done-
anything meaning full, go ahead, but deal with the fact that some people will
take your pleas for people to join you in your daydream with a grain of salt..
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
DishRoom1
Paul R. Bennett wrote --
I hate to say it, but this is so childish... :-p
John Shughart
DishRoom1
Ken Pick wrote --
JP Morgan wrote --
Paul R. Bennett wrote --
>>>
>>> > But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
>>> > Administration.
>>>
>>> Yep, it's that old Furry Illuminati plotting against you, as always!
>>
>>Not the Burned Furs?
>>
>>I thought the Burned Furs were the Official Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
>>(TM) of the fandom...
>
>
> Nah, they just couldn't cope with change. I know, I was one.
>
> But I changed. ; )
>
How did you get out, D?
John Shughart (was never a Burnt Fur; am tollerant of some porn, even read some
furry porn comics but am thinking of quit reading them though.)
D Wolf
>>
>> Nah, they just couldn't cope with change. I know, I was one.
>>
>> But I changed. ; )
>>
>
>How did you get out, D?
I got on with my llife, since I have had my status once again
trupeted to the hills, by a certain person who shall remain nameless.
I transitioned, I expected tolertion from others and have had to
learn it FOR others the hard way for myself.
Being a queer conservative was rather like being a Christian
Scientist with appendicitis........ Something had to give, and it
did. A lot of my views had to change. A lot of good therapy didnt
hurt either.
I had to start realising I hated myself, and expressed it by hating
everyone else.
I have developed the view. do what you enjoy as long as you hurt
noone and all are constenting sentients.
>John Shughart (was never a Burnt Fur; am tollerant of some porn, even read some
>furry porn comics but am thinking of quit reading them though.)
Burned Fur was not orginally an "anti porn" movement. That was one
of the reasons Ben Bruin and several others quit, : /
I got into it from the sick feeling I got at cons seeing people in
collars and leashes come up to the camers and say "Hi I'm a fur" and
the newsmedia getting pix of fursuiters with ballgags, ect. Then
going to Science Fiction cons, "my core fandom" and being called
"skunkfucker" becuse I was wearing my groat badge or one of my many
furry painted jean jackets, Michelle Light based in general.
I felt like somthing had been taken from me, it wasnt till a long
time later I realised they couldn't take anything away from me I
didn't willingly give up
I still have my issues with the fandom, but thats life, times change,
and I had to face the fact that the furry fandom of the eighties is
gone and its not coming back, I have distanced myself from furry a
bit as a result,
But it still has a place in my heart, and I still want to go to a con
or two every year and keep an eye open for a good book if it shows up.
I'm jsut glad people get somthing good out of it still, even if it
really isn't my flavor of good. : )
DishRoom1
I wrote --
>>>
>>> Nah, they just couldn't cope with change. I know, I was one.
>>>
>>> But I changed. ; )
>>>
>>
>>How did you get out, D?
>
>I got on with my llife, since I have had my status once again
>trupeted to the hills, by a certain person who shall remain nameless.
>I transitioned, I expected tolertion from others and have had to
>learn it FOR others the hard way for myself.
>
> Being a queer conservative was rather like being a Christian
>Scientist with appendicitis........ Something had to give, and it
>did. A lot of my views had to change. A lot of good therapy didnt
>hurt either.
>
>I had to start realising I hated myself, and expressed it by hating
>everyone else.
>
> I have developed the view. do what you enjoy as long as you hurt
>noone and all are constenting sentients.
That's great to hear. :-)
>
>>John Shughart (was never a Burnt Fur; am tollerant of some porn, even read
>some
>>furry porn comics but am thinking of quit reading them though.)
>
> Burned Fur was not orginally an "anti porn" movement. That was one
>of the reasons Ben Bruin and several others quit, : /
Oh, that made more sense. I've heard that they weren't anti-porn a few times
before, and I didn't mean to link them to the anti-porn thing altogether when I
talked about the X-rated comix. Pardon moi. ^_^
>
> I got into it from the sick feeling I got at cons seeing people in
>collars and leashes come up to the camers and say "Hi I'm a fur" and
>the newsmedia getting pix of fursuiters with ballgags, ect. Then
>going to Science Fiction cons, "my core fandom" and being called
>"skunkfucker" becuse I was wearing my groat badge or one of my many
>furry painted jean jackets, Michelle Light based in general.
That sucked. All those people should have known better.
>
> I felt like somthing had been taken from me, it wasnt till a long
>time later I realised they couldn't take anything away from me I
>didn't willingly give up
>
> I still have my issues with the fandom, but thats life, times change,
>and I had to face the fact that the furry fandom of the eighties is
>gone and its not coming back, I have distanced myself from furry a
>bit as a result,
>
> But it still has a place in my heart, and I still want to go to a con
>or two every year and keep an eye open for a good book if it shows up.
It is indeed difficult to let get of something when it still has a speicial
place inside of you. :-)
>
> I'm jsut glad people get somthing good out of it still, even if it
>really isn't my flavor of good. : )
>
I'm such as that, too. I don't understand why like the things they do often as
well, but I understand that I have no control over it. Accepting what you can't
control as well as what you can makes your life happier. :-)
John Shughart
Ken Pick
> On 14 Nov 2003 07:19:14 GMT, dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:
> >John Shughart (was never a Burnt Fur; am tollerant of some porn, even read some
> >furry porn comics but am thinking of quit reading them though.)
>
> Burned Fur was not orginally an "anti porn" movement. That was one
> of the reasons Ben Bruin and several others quit, : /
I heard more like he was tossed out. Ben Bruin can be a real jerk (I
had knock-down-drag-outs with him over Evolution back on the GC list),
but Squee and her hangers-on were also gleeful Christian-bashers.
> I got into it from the sick feeling I got at cons seeing people in
> collars and leashes come up to the camers and say "Hi I'm a fur" and
> the newsmedia getting pix of fursuiters with ballgags, ect.
The idiots who want to do a "LOOKIT ME! I'M FAMOUS!" ALWAYS suck up
to the cameras. They get their 15 minutes of fame and the rest of us
have to live with the side effects.
And if they're really delusional (and not just foolish), they may even
believe that if they only Explain (TM) their kinks to Their Friends
the Media (TM), everybody will Understand and Accept Them (TM).
>Then
> going to Science Fiction cons, "my core fandom" and being called
> "skunkfucker" becuse I was wearing my groat badge or one of my many
> furry painted jean jackets, Michelle Light based in general.
>
> I felt like somthing had been taken from me...
This parallels my experience. I had a lot of dissatisfaction with the
fandom for a long time, and Squee's Manifesto (and the accompanying
Blumrich rant) put into words what had been nagging at me for a LONG
time.
I stopped showing at regular SF art shows after a local con in San
Diego. After posting my stuff on the panel, I walked to the other
side of the row and overheard the first comments from two femfen
coming upon my work:
"LOOK! ANOTHER SKUNKFUCKER!"
(The furry art in question had not sold at furry cons because it
wasn't yiffy. I finally found buyers, but it took several years.)
Matt Harpold
> This parallels my experience. I had a lot of dissatisfaction with the
> fandom for a long time, and Squee's Manifesto (and the accompanying
> Blumrich rant) put into words what had been nagging at me for a LONG
> time.
I liked Blumrich's stuff, but he ain't here anymore, so his words don't hold
has much weight as they used to. The problem with some of these guys is they
don't see that it IS improving, just SIMPLY NOT FAST ENOUGH.
They want to clean house, right now, go go go! Get all the crazies out!
I agree about people like Squee, I have no problem with Christians (two of
my best friends over the years have been mormons, and one is a presbyterian)
I only have a problem with the voracious moralizing. And I will zing people
who moralize excessively by comparing them to televangelists, because that's
what they remind me of. It's not a dig on normal Christans, because they
have nothing to do with those dorks.
> I stopped showing at regular SF art shows after a local con in San
> Diego. After posting my stuff on the panel, I walked to the other
> side of the row and overheard the first comments from two femfen
> coming upon my work:
>
> "LOOK! ANOTHER SKUNKFUCKER!"
Is that an indictment of furry, or of San Diego? :D Also, you could do worse
than confronting people like that. A well placed. "Hey, I don't appreciate
that. What's your problem, anyway?" might make people think twice before
they make those comments again.
> (The furry art in question had not sold at furry cons because it
> wasn't yiffy. I finally found buyers, but it took several years.)
Okay, this is so no longer the case. Not even remotely. The adult sections
of furry cons are shrinking every year proportional to the clean sections.
Go to AC or FC, and TRY and tell me you're not impressed by the gigantic art
shows with professional quality work.
Also, I hate to tell you, man, but maybe it didn't sell because *whisper*
nobody wanted it! Hey, it happens. I show a lot of art that doesn't sell.
-Matt/Turb
Paul R. Bennett
Martin Luther nailed his "Thirty Nine Thesis" to a Chapel Door.
I do not hate "Furry". If anything, I fear for them. I truly do, for some
day, sooner or later, there will come a reckoning, and a butt load of colateral
damage.
Hey, I am taking it really seriously. I keep up with the nightly news and
newspapers. I know what is coming down and the busts.
All I know is there are a whole bunch of innocent people who are going to get
hurt, either from honest nnocence, or ignorance.
As for the bedroom thing, well, yeh, if it is something between legally
consenting adults. Well, then, none of my business.
As for "Furry". well, like I was trying to say, lots of innocent folks in the
fandom.
I ain't Furry, but I don't hate Furry.
I do anthro art and stories. And I admit anthro stories are an enormous risk.
Even attempting to be published with stories that appeal to mainstream art is a
risk, a real crap shoot. Trying to go there from a niche really ups the ante.
I am talking risk here.
Its like I sit down with a general fiction writers group.
As for a tarnished reputation... why does the notion of a "SuperFund Site" come
to mind.
Not, mind you, that there are not folks out there who do work that could be
brought up mainstream, who would appeal with joy, entertainment, and
laughter....
And, whatever I may have been, for the last few years, I am not Furry. I am an
Anthro Writer, Artist.... But I do not hate Furry.
I just plain don't fit.
I come from a Mundane business environment. In that Environment, you give a
damn about your customers. You care about what they think. They are how you
stay in business.
You have heart, you care.... If you are an artist, or a writer, or a scupter,
or a musician, or a poet, you do your best, you gather the facts. You, I, as
creative people, we do our best, because we have heart.
As human beings, facing a very human world, we also try to do our best.
Kathmandu wrote:
Suggestion. if you will, and I do appreciate what you are saying about the
Anthro Fan, lets just say...
Anthro Fan, Showing our Heart, exploring our Souls, Exploring all the worlds
that might be. Anthro Fan, using Creativity to be a Mirror to all that
Humanity might have been, and Might one day be. To touch Humanity's Heart,
soul and con... well, bugger, that thing Jimny Cricket was always going off
about being.
Get back to the ancient roots, from the cave drawings, to Aesop.
To look ate the stars, and humanity struggling in the mud.
Paul
Paul R. Bennett
Want to put your money where your mouth is?
Actually, Time is Money.
Probably not... From what I have seen over the years, if you really want to
define the fandom, and its major problem, Furry is a sad little cult revolving
around a handful of artists and, worse yet, with the added baggage of some of
the Furry Con Fathers with sexual ajand... screw it spelling is crap tonight.
Lets not go there.
The first time some of our Furry Business types have to deal with the Real World
Customers, better Run!
Matt Harpold wrote:
> > Does not leave me much free time for art. I pretty much have to grab a
> > few minutes, here and there, now and then, for my writing.
> > But Furry does not need me... They have their masters of Furry Business
> > Administration. They have VCL, and Cub Central, and all the age play
> > areas... and, has been made publicly clear.... Furry does not want
> > ANYBODY around who dares take exception to this.
>
> No, we just don't you. Anyone else can take excpetion all they like. ;-)
> Just kidding man, you know I love you.
>
> > Next monday, for the enlightenment of your heart, I am scheduled to meet
> > with the local County Fire Fighters comm group and give a class on
> > Boolean Algebra and computer chips.
> > And, snickers...
> > Furry does not own Anthropomorphics....
>
> You're right, there's always the Brave Little Toaster. He's not furry, he's
> got more of a chrome patina to him.
As opposed to, well, the rubbery sheen of condums.
> > I will still write stories and do art, for the "gasp" mainstream world,
> > to hope for their appreciation.
> > I will not, and am not willing to surrender anthro art to the fetish
> > wonderland of Furry. I won't let a handful of leaches grab on to it.
> > I won't let all the wonders of all the societies that might be in our
> > dreams be enslaved and raped.
> > I may well fail, but I will strive.
> > Paul
>
> The wonders of all the societies!
>
> WE WILL NOT GO BRAVELY INTO THIS DARKLY GOOD NIGHT WITHOUT ONE LIFE TO GIVE
> FOR OUR FLAG OF ANTHROPOMORPHOSIZOID BEASTS BECAUSE THE ONLY FEAR WE FEAR IS
> FEAR ITSELF!
>
> Dude, if you can keep up this level of melodrama, you'll be Dean Koontz
> before you know it!
>
> -Matt/Turbinista
Have Fun Twinky... If YOU want to want to finger fantasy fandango with the
latest Bondage Bobcats From Betelquese, if You are Happy with the latest
Creations from Cub Central, or that embarrasement of "Brother Bear" porn art....
If you get cuddly at the latest factual science embarrasement courtesy of Deck
and Chester and their endless clones.
Cry Jesus, if those writers could, at least, do a little flaming scientific
research first before they write their embarrasing TV spectacular scripts, slap
ears, tail, and massive hooters on it.
Harpold, Don't get me started.
Makes me want to puke.
Sigh... This is a Thesaurus, this is a dictionary... fer christs sake, this is a
damned all spell checker, and these are "so called" business professionals.
Wait, Harpold, I forgot... They are "Furrys", with the proper ears and tail, and
the rampant approval of all their fellow artists.
Excuse me while I puke.
No wonder Furry is, at best, a laughing stock.
Paul
(Preparing to get Nastier)
Matt Harpold
> Tell you what...
> Want to put your money where your mouth is?
> Actually, Time is Money.
> Probably not... From what I have seen over the years, if you really want
to
> define the fandom, and its major problem, Furry is a sad little cult
revolving
> around a handful of artists and, worse yet, with the added baggage of some
of
> the Furry Con Fathers with sexual ajand... screw it spelling is crap
tonight.
> Lets not go there.
> The first time some of our Furry Business types have to deal with the Real
World
> Customers, better Run!
Real world customers? You mean like real actual honest to God publishers
with books (on paper, in real stores, none of that e-book crap) distributed
in multiple countries? I'm no big name, but I've been published a few times.
So settle down. If there's baggage, leave it to us. We can handle it. If you
can't, that's your decision. This Merlino guy, I totally don't care. Don't
care! It's you guys that care! Because you dearly wish that it was back
then, because then you'd be relevant. Like that Hirtes guy. He knows more
dirt about the fandom than any of us who are in it now. He simultaneously
blames us for NOT knowing these guys, AND for associating with them. Which
is it, dumbass? I've never met this Lance Rund guy, I totally don't know who
he is. If he's cool, great, if he isn't, whatever. I'm SURE these stories
about him are exaggerated, because stories like this are always exaggerated.
I had a room party at a con, and by the NEXT DAY it had been exaggerated by
people who weren't there into a far more exciting thing than it actually
was. So give me a break with that crap.
(oh, and we call them clients, not customers, but hey.)
I like how to "put my money where my mouth is" I have to be exactly like
you. Yeahsure. I'm not sure what you mean by furry's "major problem." What,
that it's got furries in it? That it's actually a fandom? You make no sense,
dude.
And at what point is it no longer a handful of artists? 50? 100? I could
name you a hundred good ones. Probably most that you haven't heard of,
because they're young, and you're old, and you're stuck in the past reciting
the same dull dull crap, and dearly hoping that you're proven right, because
it'd embarrass you too much to learn that we actually have a good thing
here. How many more do you want? There's only a few hundred artists in
Spectrum or the Society of Illustrators annual! And here's some homework for
you. Find a non-furry fantasy/sci-fi/whatever con that posts art show sales
numbers higher than Further Confusion. Not too many out there, are there?
Pretty good for a sad little cult!
And you know, for a guy who can whip out all the idealistic love-n-light,
and who claims not to hate furries, you sure are hopping up and down to bag
on us at every opportunity! Me thinks thou doth protest to much.
-Matt/Turb
MikeHirtes
> "Paul R. Bennett" <rf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:3FB5BE2E...@bellsouth.net...
>
>>Tell you what...
>>Want to put your money where your mouth is?
>>Actually, Time is Money.
> And you know, for a guy who can whip out all the idealistic love-n-light,
> and who claims not to hate furries, you sure are hopping up and down to bag
> on us at every opportunity! Me thinks thou doth protest to much.
>
> -Matt/Turb
>
>
Of course, he's a clown. Spin, clown, spin.
MHirtes
Who the hell are you? This is not funny, asshole.
Dave The Dancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>Real world customers? You mean like real actual honest to God publishers
>with books (on paper, in real stores, none of that e-book crap) distributed
>in multiple countries? I'm no big name, but I've been published a few times.
I know someone who was a friend with a certain real world, real paper
book published children's author, and this guy, despite having okay
sales (in the several thousands), never made much money from it,
barely enough to warrant his time and never really got much
recognition either.
One of his other friends, a "suit" is still a lot richer and indeed,
more recognized, if you judge the number of soirees and parties he
attends...
Being published... is less of a deal than it is cracked up to be,
methinks.
Matt Harpold
"Dave The Dancing Hyena" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fb60c62...@news.cis.dfn.de...
Well, that's sort of my point! I still have a day job, after all. I'm sure
as hell not getting rich off off the occasional book cover. ;-) My point is
that, if Paul wants to try and tell me "how it is" about the "real world",
I've already done some business in the "real world." (some people consider
only unpleasant jobs to be the real world, but I digress) I have a lot of
stuff in my creative life besides furry art. Herr Bennett seems to be of the
opinion that A) all I do is furry art, and B) that it's not a worthy
pursuit. He is wildly incorrect on both counts. Also, he seems to have a
snapshot in his head of around 1994, and believes that furry cons and the
community at large have not changed a bit since then. Not sure what he's
thinking there.
-Matt/Turb
Wanderer
> Will you stop trying to hit on her please.
> It's veritably stomach turning to watch your clingy and obsequious
> attempts.
The only change I made was the winking smiley. She *did* catch you putting
words in my mouth, and posted shortly before I would've. I'm very lupine in
my courtship... I wait and hope.:>
>
> I never though you'd end up trying to hit on people on Usenet, but
> evidently charles, You did.
>
<cocks head> How can I hit them? I can't even see them!:>
Sirius-ly, Dave, put away the umbrella and the pince-nez and quit screaming
"Masher!!" at the top of your lungs. I've been very polite and proper, and
have never made a single inappropriate advance.
BTW, if you're going to use my birth name, propriety demands you add your
own.
Yours wolfishly,
The ever-romantic,
iBuck
>day, sooner or later, there will come a reckoning, and a butt load of
>colateral
>damage.
Only problem with that theory is that the fandom is traveling in the oppisite
direction from that which is likely to cause a 'reckoning'
>Hey, I am taking it really seriously. I keep up with the nightly news and
>newspapers. I know what is coming down and the busts.
That's called 'paranoia'
>Suggestion. if you will, and I do appreciate what you are saying about the
>Anthro Fan, lets just say...
>Anthro Fan, Showing our Heart, exploring our Souls, Exploring all the worlds
>that might be. Anthro Fan, using Creativity to be a Mirror to all that
>Humanity might have been, and Might one day be. To touch Humanity's Heart,
>soul and con... well, bugger, that thing Jimny Cricket was always going off
>about being.
>Get back to the ancient roots, from the cave drawings, to Aesop.
>To look ate the stars, and humanity struggling in the mud.
News flash, there's nothing Kathmandu or or anybody else can keep any twink or
asshole who wants to from calling themselves an 'Anthro fan' if they so
choose. If you want to get all stuck up over what you want to -call-
yourself, when there's no diffrence between your behavior and that of 99
percent of the 'furry fans' go ahead, but -don't- expect the rest of us to
regard your difrentation as meaningfull..
Dave The Dancing Hyena
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>"Dave the Danceing Hyena" <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3fb36627...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>> Will you stop trying to hit on her please.
>> It's veritably stomach turning to watch your clingy and obsequious
>> attempts.
>
>The only change I made was the winking smiley. She *did* catch you putting
>words in my mouth, and posted shortly before I would've. I'm very lupine in
>my courtship... I wait and hope.:>
I'll drink to that!
>> I never though you'd end up trying to hit on people on Usenet, but
>> evidently charles, You did.
>>
>
><cocks head> How can I hit them? I can't even see them!:>
>
>Sirius-ly, Dave, put away the umbrella and the pince-nez and quit screaming
>"Masher!!" at the top of your lungs. I've been very polite and proper, and
I'm afraid the american vernacluar slang is not of my understanding.
>have never made a single inappropriate advance.
>
>BTW, if you're going to use my birth name, propriety demands you add your
>own.
It's contained in my alias.
"Dave The Dancing Hyena"
^^^^^
Hint
Ostrich!
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> shall never vanquished be until great
> Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
>>
>>Sirius-ly, Dave, put away the umbrella and the pince-nez and quit
>>screaming
>>"Masher!!" at the top of your lungs. I've been very polite and proper,
>>and
>
> I'm afraid the american vernacluar slang is not of my understanding.
>
Sorry old chap, but 'masher', though probably of American origin, has been
used in the British vernacular from the 1880s onward...
--
-Ostrich! <")
Wanderer
news:3fb76b70...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> shall never vanquished be until great
> Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
screaming
> >"Masher!!" at the top of your lungs. I've been very polite and proper,
and
>
> I'm afraid the american vernacluar slang is not of my understanding.
>
I called you a grandmother.:> Oh, "masher". Here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=masher
The relevant definition is #2, your accusation against me: "A man who
attempts to force his attentions on a woman."
Yours quickly,
The definitive,