BOC's latest tirade
furplay
NeuroManson
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> Now he's sending me threats via e-mail. Ain't that nice?
Enjoy scumbag!
Greetings, I wish to report the fraudulent activities of a one Michael
Hirtes, an individual who has apparently been defrauding the government of
disability payments for over 10 years... This person, who, while claiming to
be mentally incompetant and emotionally disturbed, in the meanwhile has in
no way let that stand in the progress of his pornographic publishing
business or the subsequent income thereof.
His mailing/home address is as follows:
Michael Hirtes
505 South 6th St. #226
Council Bluffs,IA 51501-6434
U.S.A.
The website where he sells his wares online is located at:
http://www.furnation.com/Furplay/
Thank you for your immediate attention. As a taxpayer, I find it disturbing
that this individual is perfectly capable of supporting himself with his
skills, and yet can maintain an additional income from the good money that
should be applied towards people who actually need it.
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furplay
I sent to you?
Allow me to clue you in, you ignorant, spiteful little dickhead.
As a recipient, I am allowed to be able to recieve a certain amount of
extra income per monthly period. So long as I report said income that would
exeed the limit that allotted monthly amount (and it never has), there is
absolutely NOTHING wrong being done. I've already done the homework, so I
know I'm in the A-OK.
YOU, on the other hand, likely have'nt paid one thin dime in taxes from any
of the monies you've recieved from all that commission money you've taken
from others (nor have registered as self-employed, as Rich Chandler pointed
out). Have you paid Uncle Sam his share of $$ from those times you got
income money for doing a cover of Genus? I bet not.
Note too that SSI listed what sort of violations they deem relevant. None
of your complaints fit those categories. As far as they're concerened,
you're likely gonna be treated as just another crank e-mailer.
So ram it up that immense, greasy, fecal-encrusted backside of yours,
stinkbag! Your attempted dirty little stunt has only succeeded to reveal
what a moron and a prick you really are.
You thought you had it bad from me before? Well now, EXPECT NO MERCY!!
Toodles!
Brian O'connell
get so tired of hearing you that they put a killfilter on you again...
Hmmm, I haven't seen a 'alt.flame.BOC' yet, just an
alt.flame.michael-hirtes...news:38409EF8...@novia.net...
furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> Nope, I'm going to just let you blather incoherantly for a while til people
> get so tired of hearing you that they put a killfilter on you again...
But, at least I'm not you (and I want to thank God each and every day
for that).
Brian O'connell
Tim Gadd <not_a...@addressatall.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, this isn't about a new Blue Oyster Cult album. Just checking...
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> "Calling me pretentious is like calling Black Sabbath loud."
>
> - Al Stewart
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
IRS on you, or reported your breach of contract to the State Attorney General.
To actually try to fuck with Michael's SSI Disability just in order to try to
shut him up is lower than dog shit. What's next? Kicking the crutches out
from under old ladies?
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a cure for polio, and the transistor, is also featured nightly on COPS.
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Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Brian O'connell
pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well the few
taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and lying at
every turn, he deserves it! I AM SICK of bending over and letting the
furries ream me out... I failed to say 'NO MORE!' when I should have 10
years ago... Well guess what, I have my spine and my balls back, and I'm no
longer going to play victim! People want to make me out as a villian? Then I
might as well act the part, right? You reap what you sow, and welp, it's
reaping time...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
news:991127211...@mauser.at.kendra.com...
Brian O'connell
I see no reason to cater to their whims and/or opinions... Work has been
done, and will continue to be done, to ensure that orders are filled and
debts repaid... And damn it all to hell, I REFUSE to put up with flames and
punishments for doing the right thing! Just that very fucked up attitude in
furry fandom alone demonstrates what's wrong with it... Furries support
people who regularly defame and slander, you protect those who act in
destructive ways towards the fandom, and when ANYONE does anything of merit,
you ignore, belittle, and dismiss their efforts...
Every single suggestion I have given to protect furry artists' rights,
and to improve the image of the fandom as a whole, has been regurgitated and
rewritten, and STOLEN by others, all the way through the Burned Furs... And
the progress I have made in catching up on backlogged artwork has been met
with scepticism, lies and flames... I refuse to deal with it or anyone here
any further... As stated before, as soon as my obligations are met, and I
obtain suitable employment, I am washing my hands of you all, I have had
ENOUGH of the backstabbing, the incriminations, the lies, the rumors that
furries thrive on... I may have been late on paying debts and delivering
artwork, but here I am, telling you why...
For the last 5 years, the rumor mill trickled down to me, how furries
have been calling me captain vaporware, long before I had any serious
backlog... How they were spreading rumors about me, lies so incredulous that
some involved actions I performed at conventions I NEVER even attended...
The artists' despisal sue to my being a 'spooge mongering sellout', others
blaming me for bringing the eeeevil immorality factor of furry fandom, and
probably a whole ton of shit I never heard... On top of which, several cases
where life imploded on me, compounding the already meager amount of self
respect and artistic drive I already developed... No excuses, just put
yourself in my stinky ol' shoes, and tell me, would YOU want to do
something, even something you loved, if all you got for it was punishment???
And the last year especially, with the flames and crap spewing forth on
this newsgroup, having to defend every goddamnned action to people who had
no idea what I was going through, who live in perfect little worlds,
sanitized for their protection, who think that human suffering is only
something in a Sally Struthers commercial...
And now I'm bouncing back from it finally, from a very long fall... And
all people can do is STILL critique, STILL rumor monger, STILL lie, and
STILL harass...
So I'm just gonna wash my hands of it...
Nah, honestly, I don't expect you or anyone else here to read all the
way through this, that would require empathy and sympathy on your parts, two
very HUMAN tendacies, and furries can't have anything HUMAN in it, not even
if it's good...
And in the case of Hirtes, excuse me for acting based on past examples
shown to me...
Goodbye
And Good Riddance (beating Hirtes to the punch: AMEN!!!)
Brian O'connell
> Brian O'connell wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I learned it from the worst! Hamster-Boy could have kept his
> > pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well the
few
> > taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
> > He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and
lying at
> > every turn, he deserves it!
instead of paying rent, that I moved across the country for jailbait (and a
sperm-burping gutter slut, two people slandered), claiming that the artwork
I had posted to fur.artwork.erotica were not in fact drawn to fill
commission orders (this slander was issued today), that I rip people off
(taking money and disappearing entirely is ripping off people, drawing
commissions and maintaining contact with delays is simply that: DELAYS),
that the artwork you pushed me into tearing up was a rough sketch (also a
lie issued today, the artwork was unfinished, but only in terms of coloring,
and was based directly on a rough Hirtes modified HIMSELF)... ALL LIES...
And repeating them ad nauseum qualifies as insistance to slander...
>
> Where did I make such an insistence? You truly ARE delusional.
Speak for yerself hamsterboy...
>
> > I AM SICK of bending over and letting the
> > furries ream me out... I failed to say 'NO MORE!' when I should have 10
> > years ago...
>
> Were you scamming the rubes that far back too?
Nope, I was drawing reliably and on schedule, taking commissions and I
was YOUR FRIEND... I should have called it quits then, but noooo, I had this
crazy idea that furry fandom was worth sticking with, and drawing seemed
like a good thing...
>
> > Well guess what, I have my spine and my balls back,
>
> Made of a slinky and two lumps of catsh*t.
Oh, I'm sorry, these were yours? Ahhh, there's mine... *thpopt*
> And you will be the one expected to have a scythe slid up your ass for it.
Blahblahwoofwoof, shut up pink boy spammer...
furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> Hey, I learned it from the worst! Hamster-Boy could have kept his
> pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well the few
> taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
> He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and lying at
> every turn, he deserves it!
Where did I make such an insistence? You truly ARE delusional.
> I AM SICK of bending over and letting the
> furries ream me out... I failed to say 'NO MORE!' when I should have 10
> years ago...
Were you scamming the rubes that far back too?
> Well guess what, I have my spine and my balls back,
Made of a slinky and two lumps of catsh*t.
> and I'm no
> longer going to play victim!
That's like saying that Hitler was framed, isn't it?
> People want to make me out as a villian? Then I
> might as well act the part, right? You reap what you sow, and welp, it's
> reaping time...
>
And you will be the one expected to have a scythe slid up your ass for it.
furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> > Brian O'connell wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, I learned it from the worst! Hamster-Boy could have kept his
> > > pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well the
> few
> > > taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
> > > He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and
> lying at
> > > every turn, he deserves it!
> Lets see: Claiming that Jerry Collins threw me out for buying a Saturn
> instead of paying rent,
Yes, that's what Jerry had informed me.
> that I moved across the country for jailbait (and a
> sperm-burping gutter slut, two people slandered), claiming that the artwork
> I had posted to fur.artwork.erotica were not in fact drawn to fill
> commission orders (this slander was issued today), that I rip people off
> (taking money and disappearing entirely is ripping off people, drawing
> commissions and maintaining contact with delays is simply that: DELAYS),
> that the artwork you pushed me into tearing up was a rough sketch (also a
> lie issued today, the artwork was unfinished, but only in terms of coloring,
> and was based directly on a rough Hirtes modified HIMSELF)... ALL LIES...
> And repeating them ad nauseum qualifies as insistance to slander...
>
Settle down, Beavis.
furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> And considering how many here are exceedingly willing to sell me short,
> I see no reason to cater to their whims and/or opinions... Work has been
> done, and will continue to be done, to ensure that orders are filled and
> debts repaid... And damn it all to hell, I REFUSE to put up with flames and
> punishments for doing the right thing!
Like........?
> Just that very fucked up attitude in
> furry fandom alone demonstrates what's wrong with it...
Oh great Guru.....tell us how we may return to the divine path of righteousness?
> Furries support
> people who regularly defame and slander, you protect those who act in
> destructive ways towards the fandom, and when ANYONE does anything of merit,
> you ignore, belittle, and dismiss their efforts...
Whaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.......!
> Every single suggestion I have given to protect furry artists' rights,
> and to improve the image of the fandom as a whole, has been regurgitated and
> rewritten, and STOLEN by others,
Every idea is originally Brian's.....remember that, you plagaristic
poltroons you.
> all the way through the Burned Furs... And
> the progress I have made in catching up on backlogged artwork has been met
> with scepticism, lies and flames... I refuse to deal with it or anyone here
> any further...
He's quitting (again).
> As stated before, as soon as my obligations are met, and I
> obtain suitable employment, I am washing my hands of you all,
Assuming the monastery will put up with you.
> I have had
> ENOUGH of the backstabbing, the incriminations, the lies, the rumors that
> furries thrive on... I may have been late on paying debts and delivering
> artwork, but here I am, telling you why...
We already know why Brian. You're a fraud!
> For the last 5 years, the rumor mill trickled down to me, how furries
> have been calling me captain vaporware,
No, the term was "Vapor BRAIN"! get it right.
> long before I had any serious
> backlog... How they were spreading rumors about me, lies so incredulous that
> some involved actions I performed at conventions I NEVER even attended...
Is this the "whizzing in the hotel hallways" tale? Sheesh!
> The artists' despisal sue to my being a 'spooge mongering sellout', others
> blaming me for bringing the eeeevil immorality factor of furry fandom, and
> probably a whole ton of shit I never heard... On top of which, several cases
> where life imploded on me,
You did'nt just burn your bridges....you smeared napalm all over
yourself and ran scream back into the flames.
> compounding the already meager amount of self
> respect and artistic drive I already developed... No excuses, just put
> yourself in my stinky ol' shoes,
Not even at gunpoint.
> and tell me, would YOU want to do
> something, even something you loved, if all you got for it was punishment???
Gee, I guess I'd blow my brains out. Is there a Walmart near you?
> And the last year especially, with the flames and crap spewing forth on
> this newsgroup, having to defend every goddamnned action to people who had
> no idea what I was going through, who live in perfect little worlds,
> sanitized for their protection, who think that human suffering is only
> something in a Sally Struthers commercial...
Oh Jeez Loise. Now he's getting jealous of all our luxurious lives.
> And now I'm bouncing back from it finally, from a very long fall... And
> all people can do is STILL critique, STILL rumor monger, STILL lie, and
> STILL harass...
> So I'm just gonna wash my hands of it...
Good! They need washing for quite some time, along with the rest of you.
> Nah, honestly, I don't expect you or anyone else here to read all the
> way through this, that would require empathy and sympathy on your parts, two
> very HUMAN tendacies, and furries can't have anything HUMAN in it, not even
> if it's good...
> And in the case of Hirtes, excuse me for acting based on past examples
> shown to me...
> Goodbye
> And Good Riddance (beating Hirtes to the punch: AMEN!!!)
>
Too bad they never made a "Brian O'Connell Comix".
Brian O'connell
furplay <fur...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:3840D0CC...@novia.net...
>
>
> Brian O'connell wrote:
> >
> > > Brian O'connell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey, I learned it from the worst! Hamster-Boy could have kept
his
> > > > pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well
the
> > few
> > > > taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
> > > > He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and
> > lying at
> > > > every turn, he deserves it!
> > Lets see: Claiming that Jerry Collins threw me out for buying a
Saturn
> > instead of paying rent,
>
> Yes, that's what Jerry had informed me.
Jerry lied/forgot in a drug addled stupor, several times... Had he told
you about my supplying food to them with a small line of credit at the
family run corner store, that was so thankful for my business (which was all
paid, I had income in those days), that they gave us a free turkey for
Thanksgiving? Or has he told you about how I paid for a little accident they
had due to the lack of using condoms? Or perhaps have they told you of how I
covered a month of their own missed rent? Nope, of course not, because you
dig for dirt, and would never acknowlege if I did anything right...
Brian O'connell
furplay <fur...@novia.net> wrote in message
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MouseHouse
> Ok, this isn't about a new Blue Oyster Cult album. Just checking...
My original thought too. But then, "Burnin' fur you" is appropriate for
all this, isn't it? :-)
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What are you trying to accomplish?
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Dr. Cat
: Ok, this isn't about a new Blue Oyster Cult album. Just checking...
Ya know, I woulda thought I was about as totally disinterested in seeing
this feud continued in public as I could possibly be already. But after
glancing at a few of the messages in this thread I have to say, amazingly
enough, I am somehow even less interested in seeing any of it. I mean,
we're past the negative numbers to measure my level of interested, and
well into the imaginary numbers. (You know, multiples of the square root
of negative one. It's a weird math thing.)
Somebody needs to teach these two boys how to use email to talk to each other.
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(Disclaimer: Actually they know how, but they both, at times, apparently
desire to fight it out with each other in public for some reason or
reasons. More's the pity.)
Atara
>
> Somebody needs to teach these two boys how to use email to talk to each other.
>
> desire to fight it out with each other in public for some reason or
> reasons. More's the pity.)
Yep. I am SO FUCKING SICK of this feud appearing once every five or six
months just like clockwork. And one will say "This is my last post on
the matter," until they see that the other had posted something so
HORRIBLE that just had to reply, and so it goes. Round and round and
round.
Furplay: WE DON'T FUCKING CARE.
Brian: WE DON'T FUCKING CARE.
I'd buy the morons postcards if I thought they'd use them instead of
posting here.
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in a pagan soul..." -Rush | r a e x
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kill
erotic and non erotic art for a long, long time. I feel that if you feel
slandered, you shouldn't come here. It's not worth your time. Don't listen
to the flamers and creeps who troll here. They don't speak for me and they
never will. I love your art, and if I had the cash, I'd buy it. I know some
lame flame comment will be used against me here, but I don't care. If the
people here were truly into furry art ect, the atmosphere wouldn't be so
hostile. Alt.Flames.Furry, in truth. I also hope you aren't concidering
leaving the furry genere. I would miss the excellant art you would have
produced. If you would like to reply, please send me an e-mail so we can
talk. I don't read AFF after I've posted for a few days to let the flames
and creeps dissapear. Mail me at jre9...@Yahoo.com and flames and spam will
be reported (you all know who you are).
James "Kill"
Brian O'connell wrote in message <81qgvg$1qb$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>...
> And considering how many here are exceedingly willing to sell me short,
>I see no reason to cater to their whims and/or opinions... Work has been
>done, and will continue to be done, to ensure that orders are filled and
>debts repaid... And damn it all to hell, I REFUSE to put up with flames and
>furry fandom alone demonstrates what's wrong with it... Furries support
>people who regularly defame and slander, you protect those who act in
>destructive ways towards the fandom, and when ANYONE does anything of
merit,
>you ignore, belittle, and dismiss their efforts...
>and to improve the image of the fandom as a whole, has been regurgitated
and
>the progress I have made in catching up on backlogged artwork has been met
>with scepticism, lies and flames... I refuse to deal with it or anyone here
>obtain suitable employment, I am washing my hands of you all, I have had
>ENOUGH of the backstabbing, the incriminations, the lies, the rumors that
>furries thrive on... I may have been late on paying debts and delivering
>artwork, but here I am, telling you why...
>backlog... How they were spreading rumors about me, lies so incredulous
that
>some involved actions I performed at conventions I NEVER even attended...
>blaming me for bringing the eeeevil immorality factor of furry fandom, and
>probably a whole ton of shit I never heard... On top of which, several
cases
>respect and artistic drive I already developed... No excuses, just put
>something, even something you loved, if all you got for it was
punishment???
>this newsgroup, having to defend every goddamnned action to people who had
>no idea what I was going through, who live in perfect little worlds,
>sanitized for their protection, who think that human suffering is only
>something in a Sally Struthers commercial...
>all people can do is STILL critique, STILL rumor monger, STILL lie, and
>STILL harass...
> So I'm just gonna wash my hands of it...
>way through this, that would require empathy and sympathy on your parts,
two
>very HUMAN tendacies, and furries can't have anything HUMAN in it, not even
>if it's good...
> And in the case of Hirtes, excuse me for acting based on past examples
>shown to me...
> Goodbye
> And Good Riddance (beating Hirtes to the punch: AMEN!!!)
>
kill
Yeah... I would've paid for a copy. I like Mr. O'Connell's art.
Kill
Allen Kitchen
I'm fed up with this entire mess. Thus, I'm now calling a furry court
to discuss the matter. Both of you email me with your gripes against the
other and let me sort it out. Don't expect me to be kind; I'm too PO'd now
to be pleasant. But I shall be fair; it's endemic to my species.
Initial arguments are expected with 3 days. Failure to reply will be taken
as capitulation and widely reported as such.
Initially I shall be making the decisions alone. Should you wish, I can
arrange for 2 others to judge as well.
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
ilr
kill <ki...@yourhouse.com> wrote in message news:PVf04.2596$q7.1...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com...
> Well, Mr. O'Connell, I am sorry you feel that way. I have enjoyed your
> erotic and non erotic art for a long, long time. I feel that if you feel
> slandered, you shouldn't come here. It's not worth your time. Don't listen
> to the flamers and creeps who troll here. They don't speak for me and they
> never will. I love your art, and if I had the cash, I'd buy it. I know some
> lame flame comment will be used against me here,
That's right Skippy! Because if you're old enough to legally look at his art,
you should be old enough to have a job!
but I don't care.
Then why call it lame?
Talk is cheap entertainment at best. I sent Brian a $10 donation when I didn't even
have a job, so there. Imagine that, nothing in return, I could ask for a free portfolio,
but watching these two, acting like they've been married for 20 years, going at it
is entertainment enough. I'd pay $10 more just for that, and I think you could too.
But be sure to make the check out to mailbox books so his creditors get what they're
owed.
I just love these people who claim they don't have a penny to their name, but their somehow
on the internet.
--- i l r
furplay
Donald E. Sanders
> And, where do yuo derive such authority from?
>
Who am I??? One of the many readers of this newsgroup who is getting
tired of this mudslinging!
--
Don Sanders
Dsan Tsan on #furry of Yiffnet
RoadKill Fur (Sun baked sorta but not burned!)
Amateur Artist at Roll Yer Own Graphics
http://www.dreamscape.com/dsand101/dsan.htm
(my furry page) Email dsan...@future.dreamscape.com
Captain Packrat
> but watching these two, acting like they've been married for 20 years,
going at it
> is entertainment enough.
<HUMOR>
That's it! Brian O'Connell and Michael Hirtes are secretly married! You
notice you never see them online at the same time....
This explains some things. Michael is just grumpy because he thinks Brian
never takes him anywhere. And Brian is angry because he feels that Michael
is spending too much money on new dresses. Maybe we should take up a
collection to send them to a marriage counselor.
I don't even want to think about what the children would look like....
<DISCLAIMER>
Anyone who even remotely takes this seriously or replies with any sort of
flame needs to see their doctor immediately! There are medical treatments
available that can help even the most clueless individuals to get a life.
</DISCLAIMER>
</HUMOR>
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Syke
Donald E. Sanders wrote in message ...
>In article <3841C4CE...@novia.net>, fur...@novia.net says...
>> And, where do yuo derive such authority from?
>>
>I hear by grant him my blessings to pursue this.
>Who am I??? One of the many readers of this newsgroup who is getting
>tired of this mudslinging!
>--
>Don Sanders
And I second it, at least SOMEONE on this group is mature enough to try
to handle disputes.
-- Syke
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> writes:
> Hey, I learned it from the worst! Hamster-Boy could have kept
> his pustulent yap shut, but had to keep on pushing and pushing... Well
> the few taxes I HAVE paid aren't going to pay for him doing so...
> He insisted on seeing how low he could stoop, slandering me and
> my balls back, and I'm no longer going to play victim! People want to
> You reap what you sow, and welp, it's reaping time...
But Brian, you're only proving HIS point. You ARE the villian. You keep
taking people's money and keeping them on the hook for YEARS. And whenever
they squeak about it, you threaten them with even longer delays, or that
you'll do shit work on their commission, or worse if they don't shut up. That
sounds more like a victimizer than a victim. Then you promise to resolve
things by paying people back. And don't. I really hope that portfolio sells,
because I still remember the last time you promised publicly to pay someone
back, and didn't.
You, as a Victim? PUH-LEESE!
You know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see you: a) Pledge to not take any
new commissions until you have cleared out the backlog b) post publicly a list
of all the commissions you have outstanding in the order you are going to do
them. And C) update that list as you complete and send out the commissions.
And you know, I bet once that backlog is cleared, you're going to feel a lot
better, with less pressure and no-ill will directed at you, and it will
increase your creative freedom.
furplay
best way to do so is to make sure dipshits like O'Connell don't run
around scamming people.
furplay
Captain Packrat wrote:
>
> "ilr" <i...@rof.net> wrote in message news:81sei5$bk9$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
>
> > but watching these two, acting like they've been married for 20 years,
> going at it
> > is entertainment enough.
>
> <HUMOR>
>
> That's it! Brian O'Connell and Michael Hirtes are secretly married! You
> notice you never see them online at the same time....
>
> This explains some things. Michael is just grumpy because he thinks Brian
> never takes him anywhere. And Brian is angry because he feels that Michael
> is spending too much money on new dresses. Maybe we should take up a
> collection to send them to a marriage counselor.
>
> I don't even want to think about what the children would look like....
>
> <DISCLAIMER>
>
> Anyone who even remotely takes this seriously or replies with any sort of
> flame needs to see their doctor immediately! There are medical treatments
> available that can help even the most clueless individuals to get a life.
>
I now am doubled over in sheer agony as my genitalia tries to retract
into my pelvic region at the idea of ANYthing sexual with the likes of "B.O."
Akai
> And, where do yuo derive such authority from?
Either take it to Allen or to civil court, please. At least that holds
some promise of a resolution.
--
-Akai
This space for rent.
Brian O'connell
some local work that's paid only AFTER completion, and sales of art predrawn
on the side, I'm not taking ANY commissions whatsoever), and haven't for the
last 6 months!
Richard Chandler - WA Resident <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
news:991128235...@mauser.at.kendra.com...
ilr
> I now am doubled over in sheer agony as my genitalia tries to retract
> into my pelvic region at the idea of ANYthing sexual with the likes of "B.O."
There you go Brian, a tuck-in-job. Now it's official!
--- i l r(doubled over in agony at what an easy setup that was)
Dr. Cat
: Either take it to Allen or to civil court, please. At least that holds
: some promise of a resolution.
I think they prefer an "uncivil court" at this point. I think both sides
have mostly given up on any hope of getting the kind of resolution to the
situation they earlier hoped for, and at this point have decided to settle
for whatever satisfaction they can get out of insulting each other instead
as some kind of "better than nothing" alternative. And apparently they
don't find insulting each other in private to be as satisfying as
insulting each other in public.
As long as they both have that attitude they're unlikely to stop. If
only just one of them would stop, the other one eventually would too,
having nothing to reply to. But I doubt either of them will any time soon.
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better alternative in this case. But they THINK insulting each other is
better than nothing, and as long as they think that they'll keep doing it.)
Kai
news:81r4c6$31ju$1...@citadel.in.taronga.com...
> In article <3840D050...@novia.net>,
> furplay <fur...@NOSPAMDAMMIT.novia.net> wrote:
> >Good God! What a major brain-fart he's having now.
>
> What are you trying to accomplish?
The funny thing is that Brian threw a tantrum at me when I mentioned that he
and Mike were in my killfile. Gee, I wonder why? Guess it's time to put
them back in there.
-Kai Robinson
*boing*
kill
Well, thanks. You just showed me that alt.flames.furry is alive and well. I
hope you drive all the good, decent people out of here. Then, when you look
around and see no one but jerks, you'll have no one but yourself to blame.
If you didn't care, why bother to answer at all? As for my employment
history, that's none of your concern. I won't be bullied or insulted here
anymore. So I will be selling my furry art and comics and leaving the
fandom. From what I have seen here, I'll be the one who wins. I hope you're
happy. Not that I expect you to be. I can't believe that there are people
who get pleasure from other peolpe's discomfort and pain, even in america.
>That's right Skippy! Because if you're old enough to legally look at his
art,
>you should be old enough to have a job!
>
>
> but I don't care.
>
>Then why call it lame?
>
>
>Talk is cheap entertainment at best. I sent Brian a $10 donation when I
didn't even
>have a job, so there. Imagine that, nothing in return, I could ask for a
free portfolio,
going at it
furplay
"Dr. Cat" wrote:
>
> Akai (ak...@teleport.com) wrote:
> : Either take it to Allen or to civil court, please. At least that holds
> : some promise of a resolution.
>
> I think they prefer an "uncivil court" at this point. I think both sides
> have mostly given up on any hope of getting the kind of resolution to the
> situation they earlier hoped for, and at this point have decided to settle
> for whatever satisfaction they can get out of insulting each other instead
> as some kind of "better than nothing" alternative. And apparently they
> don't find insulting each other in private to be as satisfying as
> insulting each other in public.
>
Actually, I've found his e-mail ravings significantly entertaining as
opposed to his ugly blather posted publicly. It just seems that "I.R.
Brian" here prefers to make his private messages public on this NG as
well. So, whenever he pops his oily head out of the ground, I intend to
be there to play "Whack A Brian" on him.
Talbon
Ok, that's just plain strange. Now I'm part of the Fandom and I don't think
of myself as a jerk. But then again, who really does... still a blanketing
statement like that is rather critical don'tcha think?
*grin*
Take it from me, don't let others bad opinions get the better of you. Who
cares if some people are flaming. Most of them suck yes, the funny ones are
good, and if half this list is actually taking all the talk being slung
around seriously then listen. Stop, turn off the computer, and walk outside.
Look at the sun, ohh bright I know, but you'll get used to it. ;)
As for the rest of us, have a furry day. I need to go maul a co-worker.
Talbon - One ditzy wolf
kill <ki...@yourhouse.com> wrote in message
news:dEx04.2906$q7.1...@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> writes:
> I have already done that... I don't take any commissions (and short
> of some local work that's paid only AFTER completion, and sales of
> art predrawn on the side, I'm not taking ANY commissions whatsoever),
> and haven't for the last 6 months!
Okay, that's step a). How about B) and C)?
Now let's see that list of whose commissions are still outstanding, and the
order you intend to fill them in. Then we can all keep track of your progress
as you catch up.
As an added bonus, putting that list out will allow anyone whom you've
forgotten about to find out that you've left them off your list, and allow you
to straighten out that situation.
Brian O'connell
I, the infidel, was driven out of FurryMuck, it's pretty damnned hard to
contact all of them (some are still around others have switched e-mail or
vanished)... One who I have been in the process of finishing art for is
Squiffy(33% done, one piece), another is Timbawulf(50% done, 8 pieces), and
yet another is Ray Elliot (50%, 6 pieces)... This art exists in pencil form
mainly, others partially inked, others have been finished already... Also I
have several other jobs to finish, Mike Russell for furry movie poster
parodies, and other projects in 3D mixed media to complete for another buyer
(which at the moment I CAN'T do, due to a lack of supplies to work with, the
media I want to use is cheap, but cannot order is without, you know,
money?)...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
news:991129152...@mauser.at.kendra.com...
Darmon C. Thornton
Brian O'connell <furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:81v4r4$bd$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
> Considering the majority thereof were contacted on FurryMuck, and that
> I, the infidel, was driven out of FurryMuck, it's pretty damnned hard to
> contact all of them (some are still around others have switched e-mail or
> vanished)...
[remainder of excuses snipped]
Still, proceed with B) and C), as Rich has suggested. It'll show a sign of
sincerity on your part that you honestly intend to make good on your
commissions.
I'm quite sure that those who are still owed commissions will make a fair
attempt to contact you.
If you want an announcement forwarded to the FurryMuck message board, e-mail
me in private with your announcement (or someone else here on AFF that you
can confide in, as most of us here do have characters on FM), and I'll ask
for the wizzes' permission to post it to the WCOTP message board.
--Dar
Akai
<heavy sigh> Knock yourself out. Still, this sounds like class action suit
material to me, if the allegations are true. It would make one hell of an
episode of Judge Judy.
Brian O'connell
Darmon C. Thornton <dtho...@jps.net> wrote in message
news:81vc4m$55p$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
kill
Talbon wrote in message <81utdc$2be3$1...@thoth.cts.com>...
>*Blink blink blink*
>
>Ok, that's just plain strange. Now I'm part of the Fandom and I don't think
>of myself as a jerk. But then again, who really does... still a blanketing
>statement like that is rather critical don'tcha think?
>
>*grin*
>
on all. I acted just like those I was complaining about. If I offended
anyone who didn't deserve it, I'm sorry. I guess I was just on rant-mode
about the good posters who have left over things like this O'Connell -
Furplay flamewar. I don't blame either, as both feel slieghted, but I am
disheartened by the insta-flames that arrise from posting my opinoin. No, I
don't have a lot of money, but that comment is a comment on my passion for
collecting original comic art. I assumed all would know that, my error.
(Gee.. I do have a lot to apologize for!). I think I want to go savagely
attack the paperboy ;0}
Thanks for the kind sentiments,
Kill
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> writes:
> Considering the majority thereof were contacted on FurryMuck, and
> that I, the infidel, was driven out of FurryMuck, it's pretty damnned
> hard to contact all of them (some are still around others have
> switched e-mail or vanished)..
Which is, of course, an EXCELLENT reason to post this list of people you're
out of contact with here. Don't just assume that since you can't get to them
via FurryMuck that there's no means of getting in contact with them. This
newsgroup would be a great way of getting back in touch.
ilr
"...and leaving the Fandom"
Ahh, that brings back memories. Said it myself quite a while ago after
a passionate rant that only brought on some personal flamage(or what
I took to be personal at the time). Glad Everclear's album came out the
same week, that song "One hit wonder" turned everything around.
But if it makes ya feel better, go right ahead. We don't want people who're
just gonna turn around and give up at the slightest hitch. Even a lousy hobby
requires some sacrifice(not a big sacrifice, but not jack shit either).
All up to you, but ask yourself this: "Am I here just for the purpose of publicaly
ranting on AFF, or am I here because I like the immense universe that fits under
the name "Furry Art"?"
I'll tell you my trip since you keep trying pin me while talking out of the side of
your mouth. I act like a jackwad here, but as soon as I go to my favorite
furry binary groups with lots of other artists, I put my best face forward and only my
best attempts at art. You should check this group out too incase you haven't, Brian posts
lots of his works in progress there and even good sized color pieces. Very nice work.
--- i l r,(who'd Stomp like God to make the Monster Say -- they can't hurt you unless you let them)
Brian O'connell
unknowing of this newsgroup, and (b) those who do, largely AVOID this
newsgroup *because* of the flames... As far as outstanding orders go, only 4
have actually contacted me via postings on AFF... And otherwise, anything of
actual informational value or relevance that I post here is ignored and/or
dismissed 99% of the time anyway... As said, I attempted to contact Darmon C
Thornton, and the e-mail was bounced back with 'no such user'... I already
went through Kevin Duane to contact one client (who's very VERY happy with
the work I did for him so far, and thus proving the wait and the patience
were worth it), however, I don't know if I want to use his services
exclusively in this dept...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
news:991130010...@mauser.at.kendra.com...
Peter da Silva
Brian O'connell <furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> wrote:
>I've tried... The fact is though, the furry community (a) is largely
>unknowing of this newsgroup, and (b) those who do, largely AVOID this
>newsgroup *because* of the flames...
Speaking of which... ahem.
--
This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references
to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document
Executive Vice President, Corporate Communications, Entropy Gradient Reversals.
Darmon C. Thornton
Brian O'connell <furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:81vvvg$gfi$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
> I've attempted to do so, the message was bounced back to me...
My bad. :P
Give it another try, this time the header has the correct address.
--Dar Thornton
(Take out the trash and put out the cat before replying)
Brian O'connell
down... And then it escalated into a pointless and unnessesary flamewar...
'Ahem' the actual perpetrators instead, please...
Peter da Silva <pe...@taronga.com> wrote in message
news:820ia4$2sqi$1...@citadel.in.taronga.com...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
> I've tried... The fact is though, the furry community (a) is
> largely unknowing of this newsgroup, and (b) those who do, largely
> on AFF... And otherwise, anything of actual informational value
> or relevance that I post here is ignored and/or dismissed 99% of the
> time anyway... As said, I attempted to contact Darmon C Thornton, and
> the e-mail was bounced back with 'no such user'... I already went
> through Kevin Duane to contact one client (who's very VERY happy with
> the work I did for him so far, and thus proving the wait and the
> patience were worth it), however, I don't know if I want to use
> his services exclusively in this dept...
I'm sorry, but I don't accept this excuse. If you post a list of your
outstanding commissions here, it will be more widely circulated than any other
resource you can possibly name. Certainly friends of people who are on your
list marked "Lost Contact" will let them know.
But there's no way they can regain contact unless you make that list public.
Depending on Kevin Duane for your contact info..... <shudder> You should use
every means possible.
But, if you're unwilling to make your outstanding commission list public, and
then demonstrate that you are honestly working on them by updating the
completion status on it, then the only thing we have to go on are the words of
your detractors.
miertam(at)aa.net
>
>(Disclaimer: Actually they know how, but they both, at times, apparently
>desire to fight it out with each other in public for some reason or
>reasons. More's the pity.)
Any publicity is good publicity sort of thing? right now BOC is probably the
first artist folks who read this news group* would think of if he/she/we is
asked to name 5 furry/anthro artists.
*just a note the entire fandom does not read this news group.
Mier'Tam
The most important thing about magic is how you don't use it.
Esk
Wonder Enis Gheen Wonder
Simon Stevin
Peter da Silva
Brian O'connell <furball1_Ha...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Ahem yourself... I posted 1 (one) message about my website being shut
>down... And then it escalated into a pointless and unnessesary flamewar...
Brian, it takes two sides to have a flamewar. You think that we can't tell
when someone is more interested in needling you than resolving a situation?
You think you're actually improving things by answering them?
>'Ahem' the actual perpetrators instead, please...
I've been "Ahem"ing them for days, dude.
Dr. Cat
: Any publicity is good publicity sort of thing? right now BOC is probably the
: first artist folks who read this news group* would think of if he/she/we is
: asked to name 5 furry/anthro artists.
Two words. Dave Kuhn.
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many people believe. It was actually invented by Pee Wee Herman, inspired
by some old diagrams sketched on a cocktail napkin by Mae West. I swear,
one little typo in a history textbook and people end up believing the
strangest things. Did you know, for instance, that Atilla the Hun
actually shaved twice a day, sometimes three times?)
Dr. Cat
: Actually, I've found his e-mail ravings significantly entertaining as
: opposed to his ugly blather posted publicly. It just seems that "I.R.
: Brian" here prefers to make his private messages public on this NG as
: well. So, whenever he pops his oily head out of the ground, I intend to
: be there to play "Whack A Brian" on him.
In other words "He started it, he started it! Blame him only, I didn't
start it, he started it!"
I'm not even going to argue about whether you ever instigated any of the
discussions or arguments on this subject, or not. Because it doesn't MATTER
who started it. If both of you are posting insults and arguments that
annoy a lot of the readers on the newsgroup, then both of you are
contributing to the public nuisance. Period. No matter who started it.
You have the option to respond to someone "starting it" with silence or by
sending him email. You decided you wanted to say obnoxious annoying stuff
in public. Your choice, so don't blame someone else for your actions.
Nobody can force you to annoy groups of people like "the readership of
alt.fan.furry", or whoever. The most anyone can do is set you up with an
opportunity to annoy people. What you do with that opportunity is up to you.
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furplay
"Dr. Cat" wrote:
>
> at (Miertamaa.net) wrote:
> : Any publicity is good publicity sort of thing? right now BOC is probably the
> : first artist folks who read this news group* would think of if he/she/we is
> : asked to name 5 furry/anthro artists.
>
> Two words. Dave Kuhn.
>
Can't use that stick on me anymore, matey. Dave & I are cool now. Time
to find a new insult.
Brian O'connell
FurryMuck, where the majority of my commissions came from, and was already
contacted by one of the buyers, meanwhile, since I haven't heard from
another that I had a moment of inspiration in starting her piece, I'll also
post a message here for her to make contact...news:991130232...@mauser.at.kendra.com...