The Unrepentant Ratite
Ostrich
I hadn't intended to post much here until I got done with my
current commission, but I find that circumstances compell me to it.
I'm unlikely to respond to (or even read) any followups for another
few weeks at least, until after Millennicon. It is a busy season both
at work and at play.
First, those who are waiting for me to apologize for having spoken
my mind will find it a long and fruitless vigil. I was raised to speak
up for myself and my beliefs, and I see no reason to change my
behaviour at this stage of my life.
I do offer my apologies (and have been doing so by private mail as
well) to those I attempted to persuade to take part in this article. I
was either misled or else did not ask enough questions about the
nature of the finished article. That being said, while the article
wasn't of the sort I'd been expecting, the information that was
presented was presented honestly and with reasonable accuracy.
Mr. Gurley took pains to use quotes, and to present them in
reasonable context. I found several errors of fact in the article,
but they were minor, and understandable from someone unused
to the mileu.
I categorically reject the concept of 'image management'. It's a
nice term for presenting a false image. Some favour the idea
fearing the reaction of the public if the true face of furridom were
shown, and others push for it trying to attract a certain type of
newcomer to the fandom. In the end however, it amounts to bearing
false witness, regardless of one's motives.
I presented my own views in the article. I'd been hoping that it was
going to include a greater variety of views than it did. E.g., I
suggested at one point when the subject of the Burned Furs came
up that Mr. Gurley should speak to them himself and get their side
of the story. In the end, however, I speak for my own views. If people
want (as do I) a wider variety of viewpoints presented in future, then
I'd suggest that they make themselves and their views available to
the press.
I may or may not take part in more such articles. I've got three more
interviews waiting 'in the can', as it were. Whether or not any will be
published I've no way of knowing. A producer for a large audience
TV show contacted me last Thanksgiving, at which time I turned her
down. At the moment I'm reconsidering my refusal, but haven't reached
a decision one way or the other.
--
-Ostrich! <") http://www.furnation.com/ostrich
"Feasting on the dry catfood of anthropomorphics since 1994."
Al Goldman
writes:
>A producer for a large audience
>TV show contacted me last Thanksgiving, at which time I turned her
>down. At the moment I'm reconsidering my refusal, but haven't reached
>a decision one way or the other.
Please remember - you share the title of "Furry" with about 5,000 other people
and it's unlikely anything you say in public will please the furry community.
I can't tell you not to act, only to think before you act.
Al Goldman
Alan Kennedy
'kay?
I think I'll beat CornDog to the punch here and say that since you have 3
more interviews setup, that one of them might wanna be with a living will
lawyer.
You simply just don't get it, do you?
You are hated right now with an incoherant fever that only keeping your head
in the ground, and out of the public furry eye will solve it. Your
admittance to not even partaking in responses, or an attempt to apologize
only goes to show how much of an utterfuckwit you are in not caring about
the image of furry, or how the rest of the furrydom suffers because of your
outlook on it all.
You are a pompous jackass of the highest caliber, and for one, I think you
should NOT be allowed to talk to the press, or attend another convention in
liue of that threat you might talk to one, considering as we've seen what
your other interview portayed furry to be. Regardless of the little errors,
you fucked up and being smug and showing us a shit eating grin only makes it
that much worse.
I strike you now and forever as an fucktard of the highest caliber, and
thusforth I think everyone else should consider you the same, and you should
be blacklisted withing furry! Atleast FoxWolfie had the balls to admit a
sincere apology and try to make light of it all and explain things.
I hereby bestow upon you grand pubah fucktard furry of the year!
--
Alan Kennedy [TriGem Olandarinse]
EMAIL : tri...@portalofevil.com_REMOVEGIBBERISH
YAHOO : goldanthrowolf & trigem_olandarinse
WWW : http://www.furnation.com/trigem
ICQ : 8781052
Justin
> I hereby bestow upon you grand pubah fucktard furry of the year!
Why is it that in the last 3 days I've seent eh word "Fucktard" used
about 9 times? It seems to be pretty popular in the furry community.
Armored_Seraph
account, but only because my friend was here and wanted to get his oppinion
voiced. He's used his real account name and all that, so, its actually from
him.)
Return post to Ostrich from Armored_Seraph...
First off... (sticks Ostrich's head with a stick pin to let the over
inflated poket of hot ego air out. Subsequently, researching that and
sending his findings to AEP as a possible replacement for fossil fuels in
the heating of the general home.)
Here are the facts. You had your 15 minutes of fame. They're over. You
used them to express your views as per what 'furrydom' stood for, and only
really succeeded in making a general ass out of yourself. But, unlike any
other sentient creature with normal self preservation issues, you're trying
to make yourself into a Four Star General by continuing on with this little
matter.
As for your having yet more possible interviews on the chopping block to
make simply tells me that the freak of the week is up for bid. I think you
skipped out of the class of life the day they taught that there are some
personal aspects about one's self that should remain hidden.
From what I basically understand, if you were to have said half the things
you did say on the net and in that article around the place I live in the
open public people would find you... In about 15 years... In about 30
peices. It wasn't voted the best place to hide a body for nothing.
I am all to tired of fanatics about one cause or another thinking they are
a one person army for a group of thousands that don't want them to be a part
of the group at all... Much less fight for them.
I'm not furry. Not even much of a fan. What I am is someone that knows
that there are a lot of good people IN furry. Talented people that have a
certain pride in what they do and who they are. Those that do care about
what they believe in. And the fact that they have to suffer under the same
reputation as you placed on their heads by spouting your innane sexual
habbits to the general public making it seem that all those that would call
themselves furry share your fondness for.. what was it? Stuffed animals?
eeshhhh.
That simply makes you a pompous, egotistical, crass, disgusting,
thoughtless human being with no concerns other than those that tickle his
fancy about himself and what peaks the curiosity of that limp lump between
his legs for the moment.
I will admit to you being right about one thing though. There need to be
more people to voice their opinions about what furry is and what it stands
for. Some people to open up and discuss it with others not of them. If for
no other reason than to counterbalance the 'freakshow' title glory hounds
like you bring down on them.
Well, there isn't much room for a pagan angel voicing his own opinion to
furries about furries in the furrydom, so I'll take my leave now doubting
that this message will help you to wake up at all and realise what an ample
reject to society you truely are. But... Know that it comes from my heart
when I say I hope you willingly do the world a favor and step off the curb
UNDER a moving bus doing 60 mph+.
Have a good delusional day Ostrich. And keep on fooling yourself that your
opinion matters.
sincerely, Armored_Seraph.
armored...@hotmail.com
Alan Kennedy
news:6jEm6.31454$5M5.1...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com...
>
> > I hereby bestow upon you grand pubah fucktard furry of the year!
>
> Why is it that in the last 3 days I've seent eh word "Fucktard" used
> about 9 times? It seems to be pretty popular in the furry community.
It was a moronic insult that Sony Windstrup called me, thusly, I found it
abhorently humerous so I've decided to distributed it across the furrydumb
as its a humerous word for fucking retard.
Farlo
>I may or may not take part in more such articles. I've got three more
>interviews waiting 'in the can', as it were. Whether or not any will be
>published I've no way of knowing. A producer for a large audience
>TV show contacted me last Thanksgiving, at which time I turned her
>down. At the moment I'm reconsidering my refusal, but haven't reached
>a decision one way or the other.
I would love to be interviewed.
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
m>^_^<m
Farlo
Most everyone here does not swear. There are a couple exceptions, and I
would avoid associating with the ones who make a habit of it.
M. Mitchell Marmel
Alan Kennedy wrote:
> First off, you can shove your head up your ass and suck till you dissapear,
> 'kay?
>
> I think I'll beat CornDog to the punch here and say that since you have 3
> more interviews setup, that one of them might wanna be with a living will
> lawyer.
Careful, Alan, Cerulean might get the impression you were somewhat immoderate.
:D
-MMM-
Alan Kennedy
> Most everyone here does not swear. There are a couple exceptions, and I
> would avoid associating with the ones who make a habit of it.
> Farlo
> Urban fey dragon
The reality that swearing is a part of everyday life for most hasn't set in
for you has it? The word fuck holds as much meaning as a gnats fart, or
even the word shit, ass, piss, dick, anything like that means nothing to me.
So, get a clue farlo and realize this world is NOT a jolly rancher of
sweetness.
Alan Kennedy
> Careful, Alan, Cerulean might get the impression you were somewhat
immoderate.
> :D
>
> -MMM-
Heh... truthefully I don't really care. Ostrich yaked his moronicity,
regardless, he screwed up. If he'd have offered up an apology of even a
miniscule measure I'd might have thought differntly.
Yet, Ostrich stands by his statements, even when FoxWolfie atleast TRIED to
make some light of it all.
Oh well.. As I suggested, he be blackballed forever.
Hangdog
<nothing of importance>
Marshall Woods, you are a perfectly vile and useless human being.
You abused the trust of friends, fans and fellow con officers in order to
puff yourself up and get your name in a glossy mag. When you ended up
shitting all over those people and the genre they loved, you had the gall to
claim that you were "standing up for your rights."
God.
I'm all out of insults. Your selfishness, stupidity and egomania outstrip
even my studied ability with invective.
All I have left to say is this: so you're not leaving the fandom? Good.
Neither am I. I'm going to stick around for a very long time, Marshall
Woods. And if it ever falls within my power to deny you
something--anything--large or small--I will do so. Have no doubt. And I
will do my damndest to get others to follow suit.
This will be remembered. By many people. For a long, long time.
Auf wiedersehen,
Peter Schorn/Hangdog
Kiala Dreamstalker
> First, those who are waiting for me to apologize for having spoken
> my mind will find it a long and fruitless vigil. I was raised to speak
> up for myself and my beliefs, and I see no reason to change my
> behaviour at this stage of my life.
While I understand that the VF article did just about nothing to help
the fandom, I do have to admit that Ostrich IS standing up for what he
believes, which, regardless of WHAT he believes, always gets a few
points of respect out of me..
The fact that the harsh words that have been spoken, and several threats
to personal safety have been blabbed, and still he refuses to back down
or try and hide to please the crowd.. I can respect that..
> I categorically reject the concept of 'image management'. It's a
> nice term for presenting a false image. Some favour the idea
> fearing the reaction of the public if the true face of furridom were
> shown, and others push for it trying to attract a certain type of
> newcomer to the fandom. In the end however, it amounts to bearing
> false witness, regardless of one's motives.
I tend to agree here as well.. While a good public image always helps
the fandom, honesty is always a good public image.. A rare one at that..
And who's to say we SHOULD hide things about our fandom? We could be
doing a LOT worse things.. As long as we're within whatever legal
policies that are in place (say, hotel rules about Decency) I see no
reason TO keep things bottled up, it's unhealthy..
Anyway.. just my personal opinion on the matter.. Carry on, automatons.
-Kiala, Webmaster, Draconic Networks
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ilr
you got used. Who cares what effect the article has? You idiots
just showed that you can't be trusted to handle the press, the press
handles you. That's the only thing that's 100% guaranteed is that
you guys are gullible as hell sell outs. End of story.
-Ilr
ilr
> I tend to agree here as well.. While a good public image always helps
> the fandom, honesty is always a good public image.. A rare one at that..
>
Plushie porkin has NOTHING to do with FurryFandom/Furrydom, infact
many plushiphiles have said that themselves. Yet here we all are linked
to it in this muckrakers article. IF they were standing up for Furry
Fandom, they would have been talking about Artwork and Stories, not
some real-life sexual garbage they like participating in, because
furry fandom has never been about RL sexual experiences.
I'm usually all for standing up for what you believe in the face of all
adversity, and rarely flame anyone, but you sir sound like a mindless sock-puppet.
-Ilr
Kiala Dreamstalker
> Plushie porkin has NOTHING to do with FurryFandom/Furrydom, infact
> many plushiphiles have said that themselves. Yet here we all are linked
> to it in this muckrakers article. IF they were standing up for Furry
> Fandom, they would have been talking about Artwork and Stories, not
> some real-life sexual garbage they like participating in, because
> furry fandom has never been about RL sexual experiences.
Erm.. since when? ;> I can name atleast a few who go to cons for the
sheer purpose of getting laid =P
> I'm usually all for standing up for what you believe in the face of all
> adversity, and rarely flame anyone, but you sir sound like a mindless sock-puppet.
What were we saying about honesty? ;>
bevnsag
I wouldn't worry too much about any particular person featured in the VF
article in that regard. The reporter was looking for a "type" to do the
article about, and if it wasn't them, there would have been any number
of other sad characters that would have been more than happy to spill
their guts or all too easily opened up by any reporter worth his press
credentials. And if the reporter didn't get juicy enough material?
Either bag the affort or do a creative edit. The point being is that the
media wants what IT wants, not what you want to tell it.
Kathmandu
same brush as yourself. You and your "hobbies" are not mine, nor are they the
interest of more than just a few individual furs.
In any subsequent interviews, please be sure to remember I don't live in my
parents basement (I am a home owner in fact), I have a job that pays fairly
well, I weigh less than 250lbs, I do not masturbate with stuffed animals, I do
not get sexually aroused by seeing people in fursuits, I don't give scritches, I
do not wear a dog collar nor do I have an inner animal or spirit. I do not have
any desire to have sex with animals and I think the people who do are flawed or
childish. I am not gay, transsexual or bisexual. I am not any sort of "ophile"
either. All in all, I believe I am an ordinary Joe who just happens to like the
furry form in artwork and stories.
In other words, you are not the whole of furry. Unfortunately you and yer buddy
George now have a lot of people convinced you are. Thanks to you, we are all
nutballs, slathering sex fiends and freaks of nature. You and the minority
fringe of a relatively few yet loud individuals have succeeded in making furry a
whole lot less fun for me. Thanks a lot.
--
Kathmandu
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"Ostrich" <ost...@fysh.org> wrote in message
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Brian Henderson
wrote:
>I can't tell you not to act, only to think before you act.
Intelligent thought is something he's proven himself incapable of.
-Brian
ilr
Kiala Dreamstalker <ki...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message > What were we saying about honesty? ;>
I said that I rarely FLAME anyone. Did I stutter?
Or are you just unfamiliar with what an actual flame is?
Farlo
>The reality that swearing is a part of everyday life for most hasn't
>set in for you has it?
How you write reflects on whom you are.
Smart, polite people write smart, polite words.
Crass, ignorant people write crass, ignorant words.
Hateful people write hateful words.
Sarcastic people write sarcastic words.
Kind people write kind words.
It is not so hard to understand.
Who do you want to be today?
Kiala Dreamstalker
> Do and say what you feel is right, but please, please do not paint me with the
> same brush as yourself. You and your "hobbies" are not mine, nor are they the
> interest of more than just a few individual furs.
the entire fandom, it is a chunk of it..
> I don't live in my
> parents basement (I am a home owner in fact), I have a job that pays fairly
> well, I weigh less than 250lbs, I do not masturbate with stuffed animals, I do
> not get sexually aroused by seeing people in fursuits, I don't give scritches, I
<snip>
Wow.. you just don't get any fun do you? ;> Ahh well.. To each it's
own.. I suppose if I wanna be a pervert you can certainly be vanilla,
no? =>
> You and the minority
> fringe of a relatively few yet loud individuals have succeeded in making furry a
> whole lot less fun for me. Thanks a lot.
Why do you keep saying that the sexual side of furry is a small fringe?
Agreed, it's not the whole fandom.. possibly not even the single largest
chunk of furry.. but it's up there in size..
William Earl Haskell
> Justin <qzarm...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:6jEm6.31454$5M5.1...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com...
> >
> > > I hereby bestow upon you grand pubah fucktard furry of the year!
> >
> > Why is it that in the last 3 days I've seent eh word "Fucktard" used
> > about 9 times? It seems to be pretty popular in the furry community.
>
> It was a moronic insult that Sony Windstrup called me, thusly, I found it
> abhorently humerous so I've decided to distributed it across the furrydumb
> as its a humerous word for fucking retard.
A popular term of abuse from the Goth community, I believe. At least I've seen
it used over in alt.gothic a number of times (once where one poster's *mother*
had adopted it to deal with annoying persons). It's certainly descriptive and
unmistakeable, especially in Ostriche's case.
Is this guy so clueless? Babbling distractedly in front of the Media that
*all* Furry Fans f#ck pigs and masturbate over pictures of Donald Duck...
sheesh.
Did anyone look at the rest of VF, though? Esp. those Versace ads that they
ran in the middle of The Article. I glanced at it & put it back on the rack.
ilr
Kiala Dreamstalker <ki...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
Actually I can vouch for Kathmandu, he is perverted.
Just not perverted AND stupid.
Lots of people can have enough fun just doing the fan thing'.
It's smarter too because you're not laying your reputation
on the line since it's only fiction.
...then there's people who don't stop there and want to
run around like twitty lil whores humping anything that'll
put up with it to get their jollies. That's not the most
strategic way to go about a fling that only makes up a
minority of what you do with the time in the day. Tends
to get you labeled by normal people who ignore whatever
good you might accomplish and only see you as that twitty
lil whore. Of course if you think that one should stand up
for being a twitty lil whore and can accept people seeing
you that way, well good for you. Just don't stand so close to me.
> Why do you keep saying that the sexual side of furry is a small fringe?
> Agreed, it's not the whole fandom.. possibly not even the single largest
> chunk of furry.. but it's up there in size..
Yeah, and they're all immature gay boys that don't contribute a single
fucking thing to the art and stories that mainstream or even the majority
of the fandom could ever be searching for when trying to find art or stories.
(Oy vey, you're turning me into a conservative before your very eyes)
That's an alien world that has no redeeming factors to any normal
people or even most abnormal furry-type-fan people. Outside their
own humpfests, they are valued only by sleazy tabloids. And by the
looks of it, things are gonna get a lot worse before they ever get
any better. So run along and screw the rest of us over all you want
since it fukking inevitable =)
-Ilr
michjael Campbell
>
>I wouldn't worry too much about any particular person featured in the VF
>article in that regard. The reporter was looking for a "type" to do the
>article about, and if it wasn't them, there would have been any number
>of other sad characters that would have been more than happy to spill
>their guts or all too easily opened up by any reporter worth his press
>credentials.
True, if it wasn't these two it would've been the Yiffbeast of Sacramento
or something. The only problem now is that now that the shit has hit the
fan, we have to worry about the flies....
Alan Kennedy
> Smart, polite people write smart, polite words.
Only if they are kissing tukus!
> Crass, ignorant people write crass, ignorant words.
Random and CornDog come to mind.
> Hateful people write hateful words.
Me, most of the time, cause of stupid fucktards in the world.
> Sarcastic people write sarcastic words.
Naw.. ya think?
> Kind people write kind words.
No.. I won't even, as I'm not kind.
> It is not so hard to understand.
> Who do you want to be today?
I want to be the person who kindly walks up to the moronic people in life
and L.A.R.T. them repeatedly while saying something saracstic and witty at
the same time.
>
> --
>
> Farlo
> Urban fey dragon
You don't know me Farlo, and I don't know you. So, i won't make 100%
judement on knowing you, thusly, don't take what you read from me at 100%
face value either.
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
<for...@hal-pc.org> wrote:
[...]
>Is this guy so clueless? Babbling distractedly in front of the Media that
>*all* Furry Fans f#ck pigs and masturbate over pictures of Donald Duck...
>sheesh.
I've read the article, where does he say this? If your going to
persecute someone, do it for the crimes they commited.
--
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http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
Don Sanders
ki...@lycanthrope.net says...
> ilr wrote:
> > Plushie porkin has NOTHING to do with FurryFandom/Furrydom, infact
> > many plushiphiles have said that themselves. Yet here we all are linked
> > to it in this muckrakers article. IF they were standing up for Furry
> > Fandom, they would have been talking about Artwork and Stories, not
> > some real-life sexual garbage they like participating in, because
> > furry fandom has never been about RL sexual experiences.
>
> Erm.. since when? ;> I can name atleast a few who go to cons for the
> sheer purpose of getting laid =P
The point is that you can name a few, the
sentiment is that hordes of people goes to
conventions for the express purpose of getting
laid. Tell me, A few, A multitude, I can see if
it was thousands upon thousands of people going
for that, but a few?????
Get Real! A handful of people are not going to
destroy the fandom.
>
> > I'm usually all for standing up for what you believe in the face of all
> > adversity, and rarely flame anyone, but you sir sound like a mindless sock-puppet.
>
> What were we saying about honesty? ;>
That it does not exist in the same way as Humane
does not exist in Humanity.
--
Don Sanders.
Former RoadKill Fur
Email dsan...@future.dreamscape.com
Kathmandu
news:270220011157363225%sirr...@evilemail.com...
> Could the artists who draw and sell furry sex art in order to skim off money
from the horny fanboys be considered parasites as well?
Symbionts, not parasites. A parasite takes from its host without giving anything
in return except pain, blood loss or disease whereas a symbiotic relationship is
of mutual benefit. The artist gets paid for their skill and labor, the customer
gets wank material.
There are very few if any furry artists out there fleecing the public, hell most
art is produced at Asian sweatshop labor prices anyway.
Kathmandu
.
"Kiala Dreamstalker" <ki...@lycanthrope.net> wrote in message
news:3A9B4CDB...@lycanthrope.net...
> Kathmandu wrote:
> > Do and say what you feel is right, but please, please do not paint me with
the
> > same brush as yourself. You and your "hobbies" are not mine, nor are they
the
> > interest of more than just a few individual furs.
> Erm.. there are more than just a few individual furs.. While it's not
> the entire fandom, it is a chunk of it..
I stand corrected, substitute " a minority fringe element of a sizable number."
Doesn't change the meaning one bit though.
>
> > I don't live in my
> > parents basement (I am a home owner in fact), I have a job that pays fairly
> > well, I weigh less than 250lbs, I do not masturbate with stuffed animals, I
do
> > not get sexually aroused by seeing people in fursuits, I don't give
scritches, I
> <snip>
>
> Wow.. you just don't get any fun do you? ;> Ahh well.. To each it's
> own.. I suppose if I wanna be a pervert you can certainly be vanilla,
> no? =>
Thank you for recognizing my right to be boring. I do not care in the least
about any sort of picadillo you may have, enjoy yourself. If you are into
stuffing parts of 1958 Edsels into various bodily orifices, have a ball. Just
don't run out and tell the world that just because I own a Ford, I like it too.
>
> > You and the minority
> > fringe of a relatively few yet loud individuals have succeeded in making
furry a
> > whole lot less fun for me. Thanks a lot.
>
> Why do you keep saying that the sexual side of furry is a small fringe?
Not the sexual side... hell , I'm not blind or stupid. The plushophiles, the
beastialists, the you know, "the fringe," the "ophiles" who share their sordid
perversions with anyone who will listen and piss on themselves in excitement at
the mere thought of talking with a reporter. They seem to be a relitively small
number, as a matter of fact, the same names seem to keep turning up again and
again.
Forrest
>Thank you for recognizing my right to be boring.
Okay, I'm going to start using a .sigfile.
<grab>
bevnsag
Smart Ass wrote:
>
> In article <3A9BC9BF...@home.com>, bevnsag <bev...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> > A fair number of the
> > freaks are also fans to some degree of the genre and have that
> > "legitimacy". And at conventions, there is always some number of
> > coattailers and convention fans. But they are not a positive or
> > contributing component, merely an embarrassing appendage, when not
> > actively a parasite.
>
> Could the artists who draw and sell furry sex art in order to skim off
> money from the horny fanboys be considered parasites as well?
Erotic material within the genre is not the point. Advocating
bizzare/degenerate/criminal sexual conduct among the attendees at a con
or that being a fan necessarily equates to such advocacy or
participation is.
Kiala Dreamstalker
> ki...@lycanthrope.net says...
> > ...I can name atleast a few who go to cons for the
> > sheer purpose of getting laid =P
> it was thousands upon thousands of people going
> for that, but a few?????
I was being conservative in my estimates ;>
> Get Real! A handful of people are not going to
> destroy the fandom.
Agreed.. The handful of normal people, dare I say edging towards
mundanity are certainly trying.. I find this rather humorous.. we're
both arguing for the same thing ;> (unless I'm misreading your post?)
Don Sanders
ki...@lycanthrope.net says...
> Don Sanders wrote:
> > ki...@lycanthrope.net says...
> > > ...I can name atleast a few who go to cons for the
> > > sheer purpose of getting laid =P
> > Tell me, A few, A multitude, I can see if
> > it was thousands upon thousands of people going
> > for that, but a few?????
>
> I was being conservative in my estimates ;>
>
> > Get Real! A handful of people are not going to
> > destroy the fandom.
>
> Agreed.. The handful of normal people, dare I say edging towards
> mundanity are certainly trying.. I find this rather humorous.. we're
> both arguing for the same thing ;> (unless I'm misreading your post?)
>
>
the notion that a few people have the ability to
destroy the credibility of everyone in the fandom.
It just reminds me of a incident that happened to
me in my youth and how being the only person
different from a community of others was able to
draw negative views for just being different.
(beating around the bush mode)
Hangdog
> ilr wrote:
> > I'm usually all for standing up for what you believe in the face of all
> > adversity, and rarely flame anyone, but you sir sound like a mindless sock-puppet.
>
> What were we saying about honesty? ;>
So Kiala, who are you really: Sifl or Ollie?