History of the Furry Part 1
Mike Phillips
Looking through one one my history books I got an Idea.
WHat is the oldest furry?
oldest animation furry?
Oldest comic furry?
Oldest Muck Furry?
IMHO It thing the oldest Furry might have been The Jackel Head GUy named Set
in Egyptian Hyroglyps.
Any other Ideas?
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oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
C,Saxon
D.M. Quozl Falk
csa...@delphi.com wrote:
: oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then... *Long*
regarded as the first true animated cartoon, dating years before Felix
debuted in 1919, in which Mr. McKay (truly one of the great geniuses of
20th Century sequential artforms, creator of the classic comic strip
"Little Nemo In Slumberland", amongst others) would be on stage
"conversing" with his animated dino character....
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Mark Freid
On Sun, 5 May 96 19:42:14 -0500, csa...@delphi.com wrote:
> oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
>
>C,Saxon
>
Actually, including "scalies" the first one would be "Gertie the
Dinosaur" by Windsor MCKay.
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In article <cphillip-050...@blv-pm10-ip27.halcyon.com>,
cphi...@halcyon.com says...
>
>Looking through one one my history books I got an Idea.
>WHat is the oldest furry?
>oldest animation furry?
>Oldest comic furry?
>Oldest Muck Furry?
>IMHO It thing the oldest Furry might have been The Jackel Head GUy named
Set
>in Egyptian Hyroglyps.
>
>Any other Ideas?
I think the oldest known furry is the carved lion-morph ivory figure
described in the July/August 1995 issue of _Archaeology_ magazine, and dated
to 28,000 B.C.!
Is Gertie the Dinosaur furry? If not, then I suppose Mickey Mouse (going
all the way back to Steamboat Willie) would be among the earliest. I
remember there was a thread last year on the subject of what was the
earliest *furry film*, but I don't remember if it covered the oldest
*animation furry* (not necessarily the same thing).
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You're right about 'Gertie". I'd momentarily forgotten McKay's animation.
Taking it into account though, I suppose we could call 'The Pet' an early
monster movie. ;-)
C.Saxon
BromBear
I thought that one of the first appearances of a Furry was "Tawny, the
Civilized Tiger" in the early issues of SHAZAM?
Chris Johnson
In article <quozlDq...@netcom.com>, qu...@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl"
Falk) wrote:
> csa...@delphi.com wrote:
> : oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
>
> You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then... *Long*
> regarded as the first true animated cartoon, dating years before Felix
> debuted in 1919, in which Mr. McKay (truly one of the great geniuses of
> 20th Century sequential artforms, creator of the classic comic strip
> "Little Nemo In Slumberland", amongst others) would be on stage
> "conversing" with his animated dino character....
*grin* Quozl, I was _just_ about to mention Gertie. McKay also did a
weird mosquito animation- he had to go to Gertie because audiences refused
to believe they were watching drawings! :)
Jinx_tigr
(aka Chris Johnson)
Chris Johnson
In article <4mml81$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, brom...@aol.com (BromBear)
wrote:
> I thought that one of the first appearances of a Furry was "Tawny, the
> Civilized Tiger" in the early issues of SHAZAM?
How about George Herriman's Krazy Kat? As far as _mainstream_ cartoon
furriness, that goes _way_ back :)
I'm sure there are others. Little Nemo is wonderful but not especially
furry. Krazy Kat is gloriously crude, weird, and faintly perverse, and
very furry in its way.
Jinx_*POW! "lil' dollink!"* tigr
Michael J. Rider
> In article <cphillip-050...@blv-pm10-ip27.halcyon.com>,
> cphi...@halcyon.com says...
> >
> >Looking through one one my history books I got an Idea.
> >WHat is the oldest furry?
> >oldest animation furry?
> >Oldest comic furry?
> >Oldest Muck Furry?
> >IMHO It thing the oldest Furry might have been The Jackel Head GUy named
> Set
> >in Egyptian Hyroglyps.
Not to nitpick, but I think Set is depicted with an asses head. Anubis
(and his replacement the Coptic Saint Christopher) has a jackals head.
There's also Bast (cat) and Sekhmet (lioness), Horus, Isis (both avians
more or less), and all the rest (as the titles to Giligan's Island go).
> I think the oldest known furry is the carved lion-morph ivory figure
> described in the July/August 1995 issue of _Archaeology_ magazine, and dated
> to 28,000 B.C.!
I mentioned this carving before in the "First Furry Comic" thread. I've
seen some earlier dates for it, but it's furry, no doubt. It's made of
mammoth ivory. The earliest yet found that I'm aware of.
I may have seen "furry" bears in a broadsheet. I'll get back to everyone
on this the next time I get to the library.
Does anyone have a clue about the first furry on a MUCK?
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Herman Miller (hmi...@io.com) wrote:
[...]
: Is Gertie the Dinosaur furry?
I'd say so, based on the basic definition of "furry" that is not
exclusively with fur, ie: birds, sealife, insects, reptiles, so long as
there is a measure of anthropomorphism/zoomorphism....
: If not, then I suppose Mickey Mouse (going
: all the way back to Steamboat Willie) would be among the earliest.
Nope, not even close! :) Mickey Mouse was developed in the late 20's,
largely as a replacement for Oswald the Rabbit, another Disney creation,
that the studio, of which he worked for at the time, kept ownership of.
Many studios at the time were churning out *numerous* clones of the first
true superstar of animation, Felix the Cat (debuted in 1919), to which
Gertie preceds Felix by at least 7 years, I believe... The first of a
number of Gertie cartoons (created and done by cartoon/comic legend
Winsor McKay, of "Little Nemo" fame) is widely regarded as the first true
drawn animation in movie form... (The earliest known attempt at animation
predates photography-- 1810...)
: I
: remember there was a thread last year on the subject of what was the
: earliest *furry film*, but I don't remember if it covered the oldest
: *animation furry* (not necessarily the same thing).
It didn't. It was specificly about the first *feature-length* furry
film.... The original 1920's "Wolfman" films fit the bill for its time...
In the present sense, though, "The Island of Dr. Moreau" (1936/7) is
regarded as the first....
D.M. Quozl Falk
Chris Johnson (jinx...@sover.net) wrote:
: In article <quozlDq...@netcom.com>, qu...@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl"
: Falk) wrote:
: > csa...@delphi.com wrote:
: > : oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
: >
: > You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then... *Long*
: > regarded as the first true animated cartoon, dating years before Felix
: > debuted in 1919, in which Mr. McKay (truly one of the great geniuses of
: > 20th Century sequential artforms, creator of the classic comic strip
: > "Little Nemo In Slumberland", amongst others) would be on stage
: > "conversing" with his animated dino character....
: *grin* Quozl, I was _just_ about to mention Gertie. McKay also did a
: weird mosquito animation- he had to go to Gertie because audiences refused
: to believe they were watching drawings! :)
Heh! Well, fancy that! :)
McKay made Gerti a *believable* character, especially with his famed
interaction in the cartoons.... :)
....Quozl!
(Whom is not all so sure he *wants* to know what it would be like if
Winsor McKay hadn't done any animations........)
Mark Freid
On 7 May 1996 00:57:37 -0400, brom...@aol.com (BromBear) wrote:
>I thought that one of the first appearances of a Furry was "Tawny, the
>Civilized Tiger" in the early issues of SHAZAM?
We were speaking of animations, not comics.
-Mark
Karl Meyers
In <4mml81$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> brom...@aol.com (BromBear)
writes:
>I thought that one of the first appearances of a Furry was "Tawny, the
>Civilized Tiger" in the early issues of SHAZAM?
Tawky Tawny did appear in the Golden Age Fawcett titles (such as WHIZ
COMICS and CAPTAIN MARVEL ADVENTURES) featuring the Big Red Cheese,
Captain Marvel. (The use of SHAZAM! as the title of the DC series is
of recent vintage, due to Marvel also having a Captain Marvel
character. The word is, of course, what changes young Billy Batson
into the World's Mightest Mortal, and the name of the wizard who gave
Billy his powers.) Tawky recently made his return to the DC Universe
in the first year of the current series, THE POWER OF SHAZAM!
There was also a funny animal version of Cap, a bunny known as Hoppy,
who essentially had the same powers and failings as Cap, as well as his
own comic. Hoppy last appeared in the 1980's, in the Superman team-up
title DC COMICS PRESENTS, and I don't doubt that he had some influence
on Captain Carrot.
Both were preceded by other funny animals, however. Funny animals were
a staple of comics in the Golden Age, almost as much as the mystery-men
were.
(if(errors) then blame(memory=faulty)) :)
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In <319103f5...@news.teleport.com> can...@qnet.com (Mark Freid)
writes:
the
>>Civilized Tiger" in the early issues of SHAZAM?
>
>
As I recall, the original article did ask for information on animation
-and- comics, as well as a couple of other things.
PeterCat
Recently in alt.fan.furry, qu...@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) wrote:
>csa...@delphi.com wrote:
>: oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
>
>You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then...
Ah, but Felix would definitely have been the first furry on television! One
of the first all-electronic TV systems in the '30's used a Felix doll on a
turntable as a test subject.
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PeterCat (pjka...@gamera.syr.edu) wrote:
: Recently in alt.fan.furry, qu...@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) wrote:
: >csa...@delphi.com wrote:
: >: oldest animation furry=FELIX the cat.
: >
: >You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then...
: Ah, but Felix would definitely have been the first furry on television! One
: of the first all-electronic TV systems in the '30's used a Felix doll on a
: turntable as a test subject.
Eh... Not really! :) The first test transmission of Farnsworth's
mechanical television system in 1926 was of the 3D sculture of Felix, so
yes, the first TV image was of Felix, but it wasn't the all-electronic
version of TV (introduced in 1928 or '29)....
BTW, Farnsworth's demo of TV lead to the first official TV station in
1927 (!), run by the BBC.... The first American TV station (all
electronic) was in 1929; first on the U.S. west coast was in 1931. (That
station still exists today, currently under the call letters "KTLA"...)
Until 1946, all American TV broadcasting was officially experimental, at
which time, there were 250,000 TV sets in use throughout the country...
(Prior to WW2, what is now KTLA had 15,000 viewers, yet the station only
had 4 hours of programming per day, three times a week....)
....Quozl!
Mark Freid
On Sat, 11 May 1996 06:32:43 GMT, qu...@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk)
wrote:
>. (That station still exists today, currently under the call letters "KTLA"...)
>
Wow! channel 5 is that old?? holy cow!
Mark T. Klunder
In article <cphillip-050...@blv-pm10-ip27.halcyon.com>, cphi...@halcyon.com (Mike Phillips) wrote:
>Looking through one one my history books I got an Idea.
>WHat is the oldest furry?
>oldest animation furry?
>Oldest comic furry?
>Oldest Muck Furry?
>IMHO It thing the oldest Furry might have been The Jackel Head GUy named Set
>in Egyptian Hyroglyps.
>
The "Jackel Head GUy" was Anubis, God of the Dead, not Set. Set was portrayed
as an Egyptian mythical animal. Having just moved to Oregon, I don't have my
books to look up just what it was called.
Christine K.
Dr. Cat
Chris Johnson (jinx...@sover.net) wrote:
: > csa...@delphi.com wrote:
: > You haven't seen Winsor McKay's first "Gertie" cartoon, then... *Long*
: > regarded as the first true animated cartoon, dating years before Felix
: > debuted in 1919, in which Mr. McKay (truly one of the great geniuses of
: > 20th Century sequential artforms, creator of the classic comic strip
: > "Little Nemo In Slumberland", amongst others) would be on stage
: > "conversing" with his animated dino character....
: *grin* Quozl, I was _just_ about to mention Gertie. McKay also did a
: weird mosquito animation- he had to go to Gertie because audiences refused
: to believe they were watching drawings! :)
Yes, actually Gertie was the third animated cartoon McKay did, not the
first. It was just the first to be widely popular. First he did some
Little Nemo characters, and people said "Oh how clever, you had some
actors and actresses dress up like your characters." Then he figured
this really weird looking mosquito flying in and landing on a bald man's
head would get the idea across... And people said "Oh, how interesting,
you made a really strange looking puppet and made a movie of it." When
he made a dinosaur that tore a tree out of the ground and ate it, people
finally understoof it couldn't be real and got the point that it wuz
moving drawings and all. :X)
Interestingly enough, since there weren't established movie theaters yet,
McKay would go from city to city, setting up a screen and projector in
whatever appropriate sort of building he could rent and set up a show in.
He also travelled around giving "chalk talks" where he would give an
entertaining lecture accompanied by pictures which he would draw rapidly
on a blackboard while speaking. These were apparently fairly popular and
successful for him. All this while still turning out his amazing newspaper
cartoons on a regular basis... Quite an impressive fellow.
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Mark T. Klunder (sea...@pioneer.com) wrote:
: Christine K.
Actually, it's referred to quite often as the "Set animal" since no
one has conclusively decided what it is.
-Sara