furries vs. mundanes
Brian Kinnison
hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
jus wondering,
Brian Kinnison
(feeling lost in PC FL)
Confusion
Heh, I live in Victoria, B.C. and to my knowledge I think theres
*one* other furry here, and I haven't met them. My parents think I'm
weird, and my girlfriend doesn't understand either, but thats okay 'cause
she thinks I'm weird anyways. Generally I find half the people think I'm
weird and they don't understand and the other half don't care. =)
Captain Packrat
Brian Kinnison wrote:
>
> hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
> get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
> friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
> definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
> just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
> like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
> conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
> feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
> understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
My family kind of rolls their eyes when I mention anything about furries.
(And they'd probably have a cow over some of the furry stuff I've got)
Some of my friends are the same way, but a few of them I've managed to
sort of "convert" to furrydom. (I showed one of them the ad for Little
Paw, and he said, "WOW! Can I have this?")
Captain Packrat
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/
"Pure drivel tends to drive ordinary drivel off the TV screen."
O. .O
==V==
Clay Anderson
Ro...@gnn.com (Brian Kinnison) writes:
>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Most people I've shown anthropomorphic stuff too just get a quizzical
look on their faces and exclaim something like "I don't get it." Some of
my T-shirts really turn heads. I was wearing one depicting various
pictures of Jose Rosales' trip to the land of scantily clad ring-tailed
lemur babes that gave one lady in an elevator a silent fit. I got the
impression that she wanted to say that I shouldn't wear a shirt depicting
women like that but since they really weren't human women she was at a
loss for words. Normal people are so strange. :)
--
Dr. Cat
Confusion (pi...@tubby.pacificcoast.net) wrote:
: Generally I find half the people think I'm
I've noticed that about half the people don't care, and the other half
don't care either. Most people get some idea I'm weird before they find
out about my specific hobbies, and aren't likely to think much of
anything about any purrticular one more than any other. Although most
people don't end up becoming any significant part of my life unless
they're the sort that think weirdness is good, and are maybe weird
themselves too.
I really haveta wonder just HOW it is that people are telling
non-furry-fans about their furry interests that provokes such a reaction,
too. I mean, I bet I could go up to some typical, average person and say
"Say, you know, I collect stamps." and get a reply like "Yeah, whatever.
Hey, do you know what new movies are opening this weekend?" Or I could
go up to them and say "Say, you know, I like to collect drawings of
Disney-like talking animal characters." and get some response like "Yeah,
whatever. Hey, do you know if Seinfeld is a rerun tonight?"
I mean, what're people doing, blurting out every last detail of their
interests, and their level of obsession therewith, in a rapidfire 10 minute
monolog? :X) I think you'd have to go out of your way to get most
people to know enough about your interests to strongly dissapprove, or
strongly feel ANY opinion for that matter. I can see why parents would
tend to know more details of one's hobby, and possibly take a dim view of
it, but then parents will often tend to take a dim view of all of one's
hobbies anyway!
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Tim Gadd
Ro...@gnn.com (Brian Kinnison) wrote:
>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Well, you can guess how Furry Tasmania is, I suppose.
It does get lonely sometimes, a bit. But look at it this way; at least
furrydom isn't mega-big like Star Trek. At least if you start talking
furry, people still prick up their ears and show a reaction one way
or another. It'd be much worse if all you got was 'Oh, God - not
_another_ furry!'
What exactly are you showing to your mom which she considers 'not
normal?' Make _some_ allowances! If your friends are really being
assholes about it, you can always have fun with their inhibitions. I
always get a giggle out of showing people some furry nudes, and
copping all the comments like 'This may sound strange, but I could
imagine some people being aroused by that sort of stuff!' (OK, this
is only one part of the genre, but I assume no-one is freaking out
about you watching The Care Bears Movie...)
Are your friends alienating you, or do you just _feel_ alienated
because they don't share your passion? As far as old friends go, I'm
sure I haven't alienated _any_ of them by being interested in
furrydom. Some of them really get into the stuff I do, others think
I'm an enjoyable eccentric, and if any of them think I'm completely
nuts, I've never got that impression.
If your friends are really, really just not coping with the fact that
you're a furry fan, it sounds like you've outgrown them.
Maybe someone should start a far-flung furries group, for people who
get the lonelies. I've got to admit, I get jealous of these guys and
their darn Confurences sometimes. Then again, you and me get to be
unique, Panama! If you're a lone fur you're an ambassador; a vanguard
of the future race; a beacon in the wilderness to future furs; an
archetypal, pioneering, father-figure to the next generation of
Florida morphs! *rousing music, 21 gun-salute, fly-by, public
holiday, young vixens weeping, The Banana Splits reforming*
Yeah, it does get a bit lonely.
--
Tim Gadd
Tasmania
(tjg...@southcom.com.au)
'My pink half of the drainpipe,
I may paint it blue
My pink half of the drainpipe
Keeps me safe from you'
Viv Stanshall
Amara
Well, one of the reasons I dropped my last BF was when he called the
subjects of my art 'products of bestiality'. Uh, yeah.... and I get the
old 'Fuzzy animals and cartoons are for children' at which point I
usually dig around for an Omaha comic I have kicking around and go for
shock value. I also have a really good 'Cartoons are for grownups'
speech I rant occasionally. ;) Other than that, I get a generally good
response from mundanes about my art and stuff. It seems to be either
good or bad and never much grey, and its sad because the ignorance of
alot of people shocks me. Ah well, I'll just hang out with furs and net
heads.. ;)
Amara
"We are all in the gutter.. but some of us are looking at the stars"
- Oscar Wilde
http://rat.org/amara
ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au :)
Synicism
I think that there are a lot of us who are fans of anthropomorphic things
around who feel that we're the only ones in the area. I live up in New
Jersey during the summer, and in South Carolina when I'm in school and
there are NO furries around that make themselves known. <sigh>
My parents don't really concern themselves with what I do... they just
think my taste in art and fiction is wierd. But then again, my
bookshelves are stocked with fantasy and sci-fi, and pictures of elves and
dragons are right up next to my ever growing stock of furry art.
Well anyhow, I feel for ya... hope talk to ya again. L8r.
--Jim L.
Ward Fisher
Brian Kinnison (Ro...@gnn.com) wrote:
: hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
: get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
: friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
: definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
: just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
: like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
: conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
: feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
: understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
: jus wondering,
: Brian Kinnison
: (feeling lost in PC FL)
Hmmm. Well, while at college I kept my wall filled with furry pics
I gathered off of the net. While I never really went out of my
way to discuss them, reactions varied from those who saw them; from 'hmmms'
to, well, 'hmmmms'. Nobody really said much, although my roomates Mom would
glance at the wall whenever she would come to visit. All in all, nobody
really cared, except for the occasional comment about 'Ward's cat women.'
As far as feeling alienated from old friends, well, since I don't really let
furry fandom intrude too much into my everyday life (other than posters, etc),
I'd be surprised if anybody even thought twice about it. Oh, and now that I'm
living at home (summer vacation, you know), I've only gotten one responce, from
my sister who happened across my stack of Furrloughs', Gold Diggers, and Wild
Lifes'....."Interesting"
Anyways, just another of my occasional postings.
Ward
(feeling...bored...in Rock Springs, Wyoming.)
simon leo barber
> hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
> get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
> friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
> definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
> just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
> like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
> conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
> feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
> understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Well, in England, it's not so bad .... most of my friends
seem to like the idea, even if they wouldn't rush out and buy a
furry 'zine themselves .... my parents think of it as just anither
hobby .... If I took up fly-fishing or astronomy, it'd be much the
same ....
My stepfather, though, is an Art teacher, and knows far more about
Art than I do, or care to. As far as he's concerned, I'm committing a
criminal waste of talent drawing "cats with tits" when I could be the
next Gart Larson (or someone as profitable. Considering my interest
costs me money, rather than earning it...)
I reacall being in East Germany just after the Wall came down,
wearing an Erma Felna T-shirt ... (about as non-Furry place as you
could imagine...). Folk just saw it as another SCi-fi thing ...
--
simon leo barber
** "By the mighty Modem of Zoltrix.... I - Have - The - POWERRRRR!
(Quote from E-Mail, Master Of The Universe...)
bob...@phish.nether.net
Brian Kinnison (Ro...@gnn.com) wrote:
: hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
: friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
: definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
: just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
: like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
: conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
: feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
: understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Itend to be quiet about my furry fannishness. I'llwearmy CF t-shirts and
the like, but I don't usually discuss it with mundanes. For some reason
they seem tolatch onto the 'having sex with animals' portion, or at the
very least, the 'sex' portion. Ifind ithelps toexplain it as similar to
science fiction fandom. One does not assume that all sci fi fans are avid
Trekkies who only watch the shows. There are many other aspects, and a
long and proud history.
Being somewhat discreet is usually best.. Have one or two drawings on your
wall, but keep them PG ratedor so. I find it best not to have anything out
andobvious you wouldn't want to have to explain to your grandmother. Fend
off the more obnoxious queries, and save explanations for those who show
genuineinterest..they may be undiscovered furries. Of course, sometimes
people will get the wrong impression...
Royce
In article <4oi5eo$k...@news-e2b.gnn.com>,
Ro...@gnn.com (Brian Kinnison) wrote:
>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other
furries
>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents,
who
>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing
('it
>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in
a place
>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care
for
>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority
here by
>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
>
>Brian Kinnison
>
>(feeling lost in PC FL)
>
Afraid to even find out what others might think, I just sorta
refrain from telling anyone about my adventures on the Mucks.
That is why I don't leave my e-mail address, since every
e-mail I get is put in the same list as all the others.
Therefore, anyone can read my messages if they check the
e-mail before I do, and before I get a chance to delete what
I don't want them to see. Of course, often I wonder if anyone
wonders about what the heck it is I do all day on the
Internet. I just hope they don't assume I'm downloading porno
pictures or something like that.
-Royce
Karl F. Meyers
Ro...@gnn.com (Brian Kinnison) wrote:
>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Florida cities that just aren't
"with it". There's only three or four furries in the Jacksonville
area I know of, and Polecat's only here because the Navy stationed him
here. I've got it a bit better than you...but not that much.
On the other hand, I have explained the fandom to people (in general)
with some success, and I get some favourable reactions from my friends
in the locak fandom to some of the stuff I've shown them in the past
(one of them thinks the vixen on my CFE 95 shirt is "really cool",
which definitely makes me feel pretty good... :). However, the city
as a whole is so damned conservative, it ain't funny, so groups like
Star Sector Northeast Florida (the local SF&F group I help run) find
themselves quite the minority. Like that's a surprise in the Bible
Belt...
As for mundane reactions otherwise...most of my co-workers find it
interesting (especially the fact that I travel to places like
California to attend cons... :), my mom thinks it's...interesting, and
my brother likes the horse morphs. Especially the female ones. :)
I have had a few negative reactions (such as the lady at the con I was
helping run who physically recoiled away from me when I said I was a
furry fan), but people in general seem to be indifferent to
open-minded about the "mild-to-medium" furry works, and have the usual
reactions towards erotica (from liking it to "live and let live" to
calling it eeeeeevil).
KFM!
Looking behind me, the water turns icy blue | Karl F. Meyers
The lights are dimmed, and once again | Jacksonville, Florida
The stage is set for you. | kme...@ix.netcom.com
----------------------------------------http://members.aol.com/bjbunny
Mark Ashworth
Dr. Cat (c...@eden.com) wrote:
: I really haveta wonder just HOW it is that people are telling
: non-furry-fans about their furry interests that provokes such a reaction,
: too. I mean, I bet I could go up to some typical, average person and say
: "Say, you know, I collect stamps." and get a reply like "Yeah, whatever.
: Hey, do you know what new movies are opening this weekend?" Or I could
: go up to them and say "Say, you know, I like to collect drawings of
: Disney-like talking animal characters." and get some response like "Yeah,
: whatever. Hey, do you know if Seinfeld is a rerun tonight?"
How about this legendary line: "Hey, ya wanta see a nekkid bunny?" How
about "I collect drawings of buxum bunnies in bondage"? Perhaps these
people who are nervous have reason to be, if they are into the more
"loaded" aspects of the fandom. I think it has been suggested a few times
before that the best way to introduce others is to start with the more
mundane things people might be able to relate to... like Disney, Warner
Brothers, etc, and then get into Omaha and Fritz like material later, if
even then.
: I mean, what're people doing, blurting out every last detail of their
: interests, and their level of obsession therewith, in a rapidfire 10 minute
: monolog? :X) I think you'd have to go out of your way to get most
: people to know enough about your interests to strongly dissapprove, or
: strongly feel ANY opinion for that matter.
If YOU are nervous about being known for a hobby you have, people might
pick up on that and decide you have a reason to be so. Act calmly, like
there is nothing wrong (why SHOULD something be wrong?) and although
others may not understand, they might not think you are guilty of
anything, either.
James B. Littlejohn
I look at it this way, If other people don't like it, Than they don't
have to look at it, I enjoy collecting furry art & stories, And I also
draw furries, I even have 2 of Vicky Wyman's gold dragons painted on
the rear doors of my 67 Chevy Saburban (with Vicky's ok of course) I am
fortunat that my parents and friends don't think it's weard or anything
and I don't care what my co-workers think because I don't hang out with
them anyway, If asked about furries by someone I explaine to them what
a furry is, And if anyone says that it's weard, I simply reply " Was it
weard for some guy named Disney to make one of his first and most
popular creations a mouse that wore nothing but shorts and a pair of
gloves and than make a major theme park with that same mouse as the
main charecter in the park? What would the history of cartoons be like
without humanoid anamals? No Mickey Mouse,Bugs Bunny, Heck we wouldn't
even have Barny (No big loss there) Than I ask them who they think
comes up with and draws charecters like that for cartoons & movies,
"KIDS?" Not bloody likely. Do they think it's weard for some guy to
spend his whole life drawing charecters like that? Than I ask how many
of them grew up watching the Coyote get bested by the Roadrunner. Than
I tell them that furries are just the next step in the evolution of
cartoon charecters that can apeal to a more mature consumer be it
movies, cartoons, stories, or artwork, That normaly shuts them up and
sometimes it interests some people enough that they want to learn more
about furries and furry-dom.
Well I think this letter is long enough (Maybe to long) So,
Bye for now.
Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe)
On Wed, 29 May 1996 16:54:28 -0700, Captain Packrat <captp...@sisna.com>
wrote:
> My family kind of rolls their eyes when I mention anything about furries.
> (And they'd probably have a cow over some of the furry stuff I've got)
> Some of my friends are the same way, but a few of them I've managed to
> sort of "convert" to furrydom. (I showed one of them the ad for Little
> Paw, and he said, "WOW! Can I have this?")
I'm sure that everyone that knows I follow the furry scene does not know
quite what that entails <g>. I usually describe it to most as a "sort of
pocket of reality bridging science and fantasy fiction" because most people
will say 'Oh, I see...' and leave it at that.
If they show further interest, I usually show them a couple of the fanzines
and let them decide for themselves.
Only my very closest friends know of my more vicarious attractions, often
they had "known" that about me long before I brought up the subject. It
often leads to wonderful ribbing when we go out to a tavern or get together
for some reason or other.
Eg:
Friend> "Hey, she's kind of cute."
Me> I look over with a pensive look on my face.
Friend> "Yeah, I know... better with big bushy tail right?"
In the northeast there is a commercial for "Foxy" vegetables with a RL fox
hiding under the case (with hounds sniffing around the store). The huntsman
arrives and says something like "No, a fox has fur... bushy tail...". When
this ad comes on with the two of us around I can guarantee bursting into
laughter, as we both know where my mind is!
Well, enough rambling. This question was something that I've though about
questioning here, but never got around to...
Jason Lehman
The few I've talked to about furry simply give me the blank look.
Tried to explain it for half an hour to one friend of mine, even using
the Disney's Robin Hood example they just didn't get it. Others have
gotten it on the first try, just depends on person to person I guess.
It is interesting though, how people think you're kind of wacked or
something if you talk about furry's, like it is an abnormal interest or
something. Just goes to show what those people are missing out on :)
K'Lan
(FurrMUCK and SPR)
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j.serdy
Mark Ashworth (mtmo...@indirect.com) wrote:
: How about this legendary line: "Hey, ya wanta see a nekkid bunny?"
I blame Hugh Hefner
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In article <4oi5eo$k...@news-e2b.gnn.com>, Brian Kinnison <Ro...@gnn.com> wrote:
>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
The people I've always run with are the sort that are pretty tolerant of that
sort of thing. Computer geeks, ham operators, SciFi fans, gamers, scientific
types. In my experience, those "nice normal" folk of legend are fairly
atypical, dull, and often a touch unimaginative.
A standard method I use when someone doesn't "get it" with respect to furry,
or RPG, is to ask them if they ever played make believe as a kid. When they
say yes, I ask them, "Ok, who told you to stop". There's generally a long pause
at that point. If they think spending money to go to a con is weird, ask them
if they think spending a lot more money to go on a bass fishing trip is weird.
Again there's usually a long pause. What you're running into is that many
people have to be able to categorize the world in terms of things they've
already seen. When they see something new, they turn off their mind. The
trick is to get them thinking about it again, rather than knee jerk reacting.
If they'd been brought up with furry fans being common and bass fishing rare,
they'd be saying that bass fishing "Just ain't normal".
Everyone has hobbies or pastimes. Ours is just a bit less common than most.
Kyle L. Webb Dept. of Physics + Astronomy
kw...@astro.phys.unm.edu University of New Mexico
Hartree Fox on Yiffnet #furry
PeterCat
Recently in alt.fan.furry, Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
> ... and I get the old 'Fuzzy animals and cartoons are for children' at
>which point I usually dig around for an Omaha comic I have kicking around
>and go for shock value. I also have a really good 'Cartoons are for
>grownups' speech I rant occasionally. ;)
Have you pointed out that the only comic book to receive a Pulitzer Prize is
furry? ("Maus" by Art Spiegelman)
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Allen Petlock
Brian Kinnison wrote:
> hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
> get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
> friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
> definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
> just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
> like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
> conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
> feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
> understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
Hmm, well, depends on your friends, and how you exhibit your
interests and/or work. I've been moving into a field of animation, so
anything I did along the lines of furries was just viewed by my parents
as stuff I need to work on to get further down the line with my goals.
My friends mostly thought this too, and once and awhile the ocassional
nude furry pic would garner their attention if one was about, or when I
ran a BBS they'd look at one and say something along the lines, half
jokingly, 'This is sick, man' or 'There's some twisted minds out there'.
Of course, this didn't stop them from browsing through *all* the work
available. :) Go figure. In any case, just point out comics and such,
and heck, if they don't like it, as others have pointed out, they don't
have to read it. Does it affect you hanging out with them, seeing movies
or whatnot? If not, then fine, still have fun, and save the furry stuff
for your furry friends.
> (feeling lost in PC FL)
I wouldn't say all of Florida is PC, or mundane, or whatnot.
There's one hell of a furry contingient in the Tampa/Orlando area.
-Allen
Fox Possession
If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comics
on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares. But if
you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a really
crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice. I managed to horrify my
entire school with just one night's worth of going around collared and
be-tailed. Admittedly, it was prom night, but still...
I didn't make many waves in college this year, pretty much kept to myself
with some print-outs of (clean) images posted over my bed. Nobody said
anything, other than leave about five messages a month on my voice mail
telling me how they were gonna "get" me. Those stopped after I recorded
ten minutes of Amy Grant music as my voice mail answering message. Go fig.
So what reactions you get pretty much depend on who you are. Closet
furries don't get any problems, while outright freaks get as much shocked
outrage as we want, which tends to be lots.
--
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| dispicable under-handed slavering +------------------------------+
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Richard Chandler
In article <4oq9lr$1...@nomad.urich.edu>,
Fox Possession <kit...@boojum.urich.edu> wrote:
>If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
>enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
>out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comics
>on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares. But if
>you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a really
>crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice. I managed to horrify my
>entire school with just one night's worth of going around collared and
>be-tailed. Admittedly, it was prom night, but still...
Well! THAT'S a good way to give Furry Fandom a good name! Sheesh.
>So what reactions you get pretty much depend on who you are. Closet
>furries don't get any problems, while outright freaks get as much shocked
>outrage as we want, which tends to be lots.
Giving ever more incentive for those in the closet to stay there.
Sure, Freak the Mundanes is a fun game, that is, until reality forces you
to return to the mundane world.
When dealing with mundanes who have never heard of Furry Fandom before,
one should endevour to be the best possible ambassador to the rest of the
world. If you go around getting in people's faces and trying deliberately
to piss them off and freak them out, then they're going to be cheering
from the sidelines when the people you REALLY annoy come after you
shouting "Skunkfucker" and kicking you out of their cons.
(You know, don't you, that people around Philcon are not insulted that
furries left them. The reaction is more "Good riddance!" than "Snif, what
have we done?!".)
I mean, if someone asks you what furrydom is and you start burbling about
your fantasies of fucking Gadget in Bondage, it's a good bet you're going
to leave a very bad taste in their mouth. The trick is to talk about it
in ways they can relate to, so they can understand it, even if it doesn't
quite float their boat. If you can't make friends, at least don't make
the fandom any more enemies. We have quite enough as it is.
(It's attitudes like this that make me wonder if some folks think that
Jeffrey Dahmer was doing great PR work for gay S&M.)
--
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog... but they can tell right
off the bat if you're an idiot! -- Me
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"Yeah, I've got ADD, wanna make something of.... oooh, cool. Look!"
Royce
In article <31aec18e...@newshost.capecod.net>,
commercial. Oh, wait, what country are we talking about here?
I'm in the U.S...
I have seen a furniture commercial with raccoons in it, but
unfortunately in wasn't humurous in any way... :(
-Royce
fre...@indy.net
In article <31aec18e...@newshost.capecod.net> je...@capecod.net (Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe)) writes:
>From: je...@capecod.net (Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe))
>Subject: Re: furries vs. mundanes
>Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:11:39 GMT
>In the northeast there is a commercial for "Foxy" vegetables with a RL fox
>hiding under the case (with hounds sniffing around the store). The huntsman
>arrives and says something like "No, a fox has fur... bushy tail...". When
>this ad comes on with the two of us around I can guarantee bursting into
>laughter, as we both know where my mind is!
>Well, enough rambling. This question was something that I've though about
>questioning here, but never got around to...
We need someone to tape this commercial and stick it in the play list for a
video room at one or more of the Cons, for those of us who don't live in the
chosen broadcast area. Perhaps there are some other commercials that
somebody has taped that would also fit the program. I could come up with a
few...
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Amara
> Recently in alt.fan.furry, Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
> > ... and I get the old 'Fuzzy animals and cartoons are for children' at
> >which point I usually dig around for an Omaha comic I have kicking around
> >and go for shock value. I also have a really good 'Cartoons are for
> >grownups' speech I rant occasionally. ;)
>
> Have you pointed out that the only comic book to receive a Pulitzer Prize is
> furry? ("Maus" by Art Spiegelman)
No, I've been meaning to pick it up for some time... :) I'll have to do
that when I get to a comic shop. :)
Amara
Dean Alger
Brian Kinnison (Ro...@gnn.com) wrote:
: hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
: get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
I've got a fun story... I did not know that there were other people
like me out there, and I never heard the term 'Furry' before. But in
my Psychology class in college I wrote a paper called "Pink Elephants
and Animal Tails" about obsessive compulsives. I used my own
obsessions with wanting to where furry ears and a tail around in
public, and my facination with cartoon animals. I received an 'A' on
my essay by the way, but my teacher was looking at me very strangely
from then on.
After sharing the paper with my friend, he actually helped me make my
furry ears and tail. He was very helpful, I wouldn't say
understanding... But, he didn't care if I made a fool out of myself
because it took the attention off of him. We used to go to
'Food-4-Less' around midnight to purchase food. I with my furry ears
and tail, he just dressed normal and enjoyed watching other people
stare at me. By the way, I have determined there are two types of
people; those who avoid you, and those who ask why. It was fun to
have the attention of both types.
My mother thinks I'm crazy and says I am making her look bad, she
offered to pay for professional help. My dad doesn't care. My
sister doesn't understand. And my girlfriend understands (because I
explained it all too her) but I could not convert her from her
standard view of life. Oh well.
By the way, my best time as a furry was when I was in my furry ears
and tail for two days in L.A. at the ShowBiz Expo. I actually
participated in a couple seminars and they didn't throw me out or ask
me to remove my ears. Try it sometime, to me it's less embarrassing
than walking around without them.
Someday when I'm rich I'll have to have them surgically implanted.
-AberDeen Foxx
-Li...@msn.com
-Missing Links Network (coming soon to the internet).
-BBS: 805-399-3500.
FarStar Station
PeterCat (pjka...@gamera.syr.edu) wrote:
: Recently in alt.fan.furry, Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
: > ... and I get the old 'Fuzzy animals and cartoons are for children' at
: >which point I usually dig around for an Omaha comic I have kicking around
: >and go for shock value. I also have a really good 'Cartoons are for
: >grownups' speech I rant occasionally. ;)
: Have you pointed out that the only comic book to receive a Pulitzer Prize is
: furry? ("Maus" by Art Spiegelman)
At which we'll forget to point out that the Pulitzer was taken back after
they changed the rules so comics are no longer works of literature?
Disgruntled comic lover
Crissa
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Contents Copyright 1996 - Stacey Ann Croft
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Scirocco
On 31 May 1996, Jason Lehman wrote:
> The few I've talked to about furry simply give me the blank look.
> Tried to explain it for half an hour to one friend of mine, even using
> the Disney's Robin Hood example they just didn't get it. Others have
> gotten it on the first try, just depends on person to person I guess.
> It is interesting though, how people think you're kind of wacked or
> something if you talk about furry's, like it is an abnormal interest or
> something. Just goes to show what those people are missing out on :)
>
> K'Lan
> (FurrMUCK and SPR)
Aye, it's like some of them just can't envision what the term
'anthropomorphic animals' means. I recently submitted a story in my
Poetry & Fiction Writing class about some jewel thieves who are furries
(along with most everyone else in the story) and it was met by a strange
look or two, but it *did* net me a perfect score from the instructor who
was 'extremely impressed' with my description work (I chalked it up to
MU* building and explained to her a bit about FurryMUCK when I chatted
with her).
She seemed more than open to the idea of humanoid animals after
our talk, having thought that perhaps I had intended a children's story
when she first read it, and wondering at my adult attitude in the tale
(driving cars, a swear word or two), which wasn't true, of course. :>
However, the real reason I'm replying to this is that I've had
three requests for a copy of this story from my classmates who caught
sight of the small raccoon picture (a scaled down version of
Kizeh-1-gw.gif) I attached to the first page (so that people reading the
story and not knowing what a furry was could see a picture) ... so I've
been ecstatic to find a small knot of people who like furries without my
having to explain them... now, if only I can get them to come to FurryMUCK,
they'll be hooked.
Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
school and getting weird looks? :>
-- Scirocco Wind Dancer
Richard J. Bartrop
As a rule, my experiences have been very positive. I've been
putting up my art in my cubicle at work for years, and my coworkers like
it. I've even managed to sell them some prints. Even the VP of the
company, when she visited our branch, bought a print, and she is about the
most non-fannish person there is. Granted the subject matter is pretty
clean, and I don't claim I'd rather be a fox, but nobody seems to be have
any problem with the idea of pictures of 'animal-people', or if they do,
they've been keeping to themselves:).
Admittedly, there are a few bubbas out there who just can't deal
with anything out of the ordinary, I'm wondering just how much of the
negative reaction some of the people are getting is due too the
anthropomorphic element? Think about it. From fairy tales, to Disney,
to Saturday morning cartoons, to advertising, anthropomorphics are a
normal, even omnipresent part of our cultural landscape. They're about as
obscure as 'Friends'.
Richard Bartrop
writer/writer,"Zaibatsu Tears"
Grey on FurryMUCK
Jeff Ferris
Just for thoses who might be interested...
Foxy Farms is jn Salinas CA, and grow mainly Lettuces, Calliflower,
Celery and the like. It is also marketed in California (I've seen it
at Lucky Stores).
They do use silhouettes of foxes on their shipping crates and
packaging.
Just for the curious.
Jeff Ferris
Editor/Publisher
YARF!
P.O. Box1299
Cupertino CA 95015-1299
Angel of Death
In article <31B00F...@silicondragon.com> Allen Petlock wrote:
>Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 05:40:13 -0400
>From: Allen Petlock <al...@silicondragon.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
>Subject: Re: furries vs. mundanes
>
>Brian Kinnison wrote:
>
>> hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other
furries
>> get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
Kinda sounds like my friends. Some people just think your a sicko
or something for enjoying the art. I know that alot of the time, I
would rather see some nice nude furrygirls instead of pictures of
nude mundanes. Anymore though, I don't care what they think. I know
what I like. I just wish I had someone to share my interest with
(not on the net). I know of nowhere or no-one in my area who is in
to this type of art. Canton, OH sure doesn't have much for a furry
such as myself. =(
>Of course, this didn't stop them from browsing through *all* the
work
>available. :) Go figure. In any case, just point out comics and
such,
>and heck, if they don't like it, as others have pointed out, they
don't
>have to read it. Does it affect you hanging out with them, seeing
movies
>or whatnot? If not, then fine, still have fun, and save the furry
stuff
>for your furry friends.
>
>> (feeling lost in PC FL)
>
> I wouldn't say all of Florida is PC, or mundane, or whatnot.
>There's one hell of a furry contingient in the Tampa/Orlando area.
>
>-Allen
-Angel of Death-
***Lucipher***
Stupid People Piss Me Off!!
Go ahead and flame Damn-it!
Welcome to hell!!
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Synicism
>Mark Ashworth (mtmo...@indirect.com) wrote:
>: How about this legendary line: "Hey, ya wanta see a nekkid bunny?"
>
>I blame Hugh Hefner
>
>
Hey... there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Playboy Bunnies! <g>
The first furry I met R/L was a cute blonde girl in a Playboy Bunny
costume. Very nice. <g>
Synicism
In article <4oq9lr$1...@nomad.urich.edu>, kit...@boojum.urich.edu (Fox
Possession) writes:
>If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
>enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
>out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comics
>on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares. But if
>you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a really
>crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice. I managed to horrify my
>entire school with just one night's worth of going around collared and
>be-tailed. Admittedly, it was prom night, but still...
I think if I saw you going about collared with a tail on your prom night I
might be disturbed too. Furry is one thing, but isn't that going a bit
out of your way to antagonize people? I mean, one of the things I found
that I liked most about furries I've met is that they're generally pretty
cool about things and that they generally don't go around trying to bother
other people. Perhaps its me, but would it be behavior like what you
described above that's giving us a bad name?
Syni...@AOL.com
Jim L.
Synicism
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960602134959.16120A-100000@cleo>, Amara
<ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> writes:
>No, I've been meaning to pick it up for some time... :) I'll have to do
>that when I get to a comic shop. :)
>Amara
>
>
I've been looking for Maus and Maus II for months now and I can't find it.
I loved them when I first read them, and I'd like to pick them up. Comic
shops usually don't carry them. Anyone know where I could get copies?
Synicism
In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@anna.az.com>, Scirocco
<ava...@anna.az.com> writes:
> Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
>school and getting weird looks? :>
>
>
I did it once. It was in my junior year in high school (seems like a long
time ago now) and I wrote a fantasty story about a few anthropomorphic
style characters. At the time I wasn't really into furry stuff so there
wasn't really any motivation for me to do so except that I've always
thought they were kind of cool. I was thinking about cross-posting it to
the Dragonlance newsgroup, sine that's what I used to the background, but
I never got around to it. I admit it netted me some really strange looks,
but everyone was pretty cool about it.
I haven't touched anthropomorphic writing for a few years until I wrote
"Runaway's Gambit" which I posted here (and which you can get at
ftp://members.aol.com/synicism/gambit.txt) but next semester I'll be
taking a Fiction Workshop and Adolescent Lit. so maybe I'll start
experimenting in furry writing some more.
Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe)
On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:56:29 GMT, fre...@indy.net wrote:
> In article <31aec18e...@newshost.capecod.net> je...@capecod.net (Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe)) writes:
> >In the northeast there is a commercial for "Foxy" vegetables...
> We need someone to tape this commercial and stick it in the play list for a
> video room at one or more of the Cons, for those of us who don't live in the
> chosen broadcast area. Perhaps there are some other commercials that
> somebody has taped that would also fit the program. I could come up with a
> few...
Hmm... I've access to a fancy movie capture board on the graphics
workstation at work. Perhaps I should try taping this ad off the TV and
turning it into an *.avi file or something?
...Of course the 30 second spot would be of ludicrous size full screen --
I'll have to postage-stamp it...
Question would be how to distribute something like this without stirring
legality waters???
--Comments, Suggestions, Incomprehensible mimed colloquialisms?--
[]_______________________[]
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--> LAN Administrator/Furry/Scientist/Naturalist/So-so Writer <--
"Jake liked his women the way he liked his Kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart,
firm-fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and covered with short brown fuzzy
hair"
-- Gretchen Schmidt in San Jose State's bad writing contest, 1989 --
...Sounds alright to me - maybe with longer fur... ;D
Josh Carpman
In article <Pine.A32.3.92.960602...@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>,
Richard J. Bartrop <rbar...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:
> As a rule, my experiences have been very positive. I've been
>putting up my art in my cubicle at work for years, and my coworkers like
>it. I've even managed to sell them some prints. Even the VP of the
>company, when she visited our branch, bought a print, and she is about the
>most non-fannish person there is. Granted the subject matter is pretty
>clean, and I don't claim I'd rather be a fox, but nobody seems to be have
>any problem with the idea of pictures of 'animal-people', or if they do,
>they've been keeping to themselves:).
I have had pretty much the exact experience (except for the VP part). I
am always drawing things on my dry-erase board, sometimes even making up
furry advertisements for my company (not too much of a stretch with a
name like Foxboro). No one seems overly freaked by it at all. I even
discovered a latent furry co-worker, and we decided she'd probably
identify most with being an otter :)
> Admittedly, there are a few bubbas out there who just can't deal
>with anything out of the ordinary, I'm wondering just how much of the
>negative reaction some of the people are getting is due too the
>anthropomorphic element? Think about it. From fairy tales, to Disney,
>to Saturday morning cartoons, to advertising, anthropomorphics are a
>normal, even omnipresent part of our cultural landscape. They're about as
>obscure as 'Friends'.
I agree. Walk down an aisle of greeting cards sometime...
>Richard Bartrop
>writer/writer,"Zaibatsu Tears"
>Grey on FurryMUCK
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Mark Freid
I live in ultra-liberal Southern California, so I don't think I get
quite the reaction that others get. I still get funny looks, but more
often than not I get complimented on my atire (when I wear furry
T-Shirts) and my drawings. Most of the mundanes don't know about
furries, so they see my artwork, and just look at it the same way as
any other "cartoon", just like Bugs or Garfield.
I do not wear fursuits, tails, ears or stuff like that in public. but
most of my atire is stuff I've gotten from conventions. My own family
is indifferent about it, frankly they downright like it. They're all
mundanes, but do enjoy looking at the art when I get it. My 65
year-old father practically demands to see when I get any new Jay
Naylor or Jeremy Bernal stuff. Most of my friends are furries anyway
(there are quite a few in the area) but those who aren't just take it
with a grain of salt. I don't show them my Hardiman or O'Connell
binders and I'm okay. :)
-Mark
=============================================
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=============================================
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Email: can...@qnet.com
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Captain Packrat
Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:56:29 GMT, fre...@indy.net wrote:
>
> > In article <31aec18e...@newshost.capecod.net> je...@capecod.net (Jeff Eddy (Brer Foxxe)) writes:
>
> > >In the northeast there is a commercial for "Foxy" vegetables...
>
> > We need someone to tape this commercial and stick it in the play list for a
> > video room at one or more of the Cons, for those of us who don't live in the
> > chosen broadcast area. Perhaps there are some other commercials that
> > somebody has taped that would also fit the program. I could come up with a
> > few...
>
> Hmm... I've access to a fancy movie capture board on the graphics
> workstation at work. Perhaps I should try taping this ad off the TV and
> turning it into an *.avi file or something?
>
> ...Of course the 30 second spot would be of ludicrous size full screen --
> I'll have to postage-stamp it...
>
> Question would be how to distribute something like this without stirring
> legality waters???
I don't think they'd mind. After all, who could disagree with getting free
advertising? :)
Captain Packrat
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/
Mouse of 1000 .sig files.
O. .O
==V==
Captain Packrat
In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@anna.az.com>, Scirocco
<ava...@anna.az.com> writes:
> Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
>school and getting weird looks? :>
I wrote some furry stories in high school, but I never got any funny looks.
In fact, my English teachers were really impressed by them. And this was
long before I even knew that there was a fandom.
Captain Packrat
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/
"When you finally see the light at the end of the tunnel,
it will probably be a train coming toward you."
O. .O
==V==
Mathue Taxion
Fox Possession wrote:
> =
> If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying ha=
rd
> enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
> out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comic=
s
> on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares. But if
> you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a real=
ly
> crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice.
Mathue chuckles.
Fur the most part I don't get too many reactions, no matter where I might=
go. I have my =
typical wardrobe, black collar, black shirt (Possibly with some sort of b=
ear on it) and =
black jeans. Very clean etcetc. On occasion I will wear my bear tail in p=
ublic, but only =
when I'm with friends. My roomate says I delight in seeing mundanes do a =
double take, =
and.. well, I think I do actually. As to other thinking it's wierd? My pa=
rents have seen =
me with both my tail and collar, and they think it's neat (To use an over=
-used word)
-- =
Mathue Taxion of eastern Rillionia
----Only the pure of spirit may find the treasure of knowledge----
~~Mathue Taxion, an illiop on FurryMUCK and TigerMUCK And now Furtoonia~=
~
And not to mention a few others too, Arria, take a bow. '=DF' :D
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match fur a good blaster
at your side.. Han Solo . *murgle!* "37? . . In a row!?!?!"
Captain Packrat
I got my copies at Barnes & Noble. Any good bookstore should be able to
special order them. If I'm not mistaken, they come in paperback and
hardback, and are available together in a slipcased edition.
Captain Packrat
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/
"Mad: Affected with a high degree of intellectual independence."
O. .O
==V==
Herman Miller
In article <4ou8vh$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, syni...@aol.com says...
>
>I've been looking for Maus and Maus II for months now and I can't find it.
> I loved them when I first read them, and I'd like to pick them up. Comic
>shops usually don't carry them. Anyone know where I could get copies?
You should be able to find them at a regular bookstore like Barnes & Noble.
I recently saw them at Borders here in Austin. You could should be able to
order them through a bookstore if you can't find them on the shelves.
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Amara
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960602134959.16120A-100000@cleo>, Amara
> <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> writes:
>
> >No, I've been meaning to pick it up for some time... :) I'll have to do
> >that when I get to a comic shop. :)
> >Amara
> >
> >
>
> shops usually don't carry them. Anyone know where I could get copies?
Uh, really? I worked at a comic shop that carried everythign like that...
Unfortunately it's on the other side of the country. What you need to
find is a comic shop that caters for all tatses, or see if anyone's done
a book store edition of it... I know they've done some down here... I'm
miffeds that comics aren't Literature..... I mean, Sandman is great
stuff, and if That isn't literature, then I'm Popeye the Sailor Fox. :)
(aaar. :)
Amara
Electric Keet
If Scirocco <ava...@anna.az.com> had written this about peanut butter,
would the following be creamy or chunky?
> On 31 May 1996, Jason Lehman wrote:
> Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
> school and getting weird looks? :>
Way Back When (from about 5th grade up), I was in the habit of writing
furry stories, not having any clue of a fandom or anything of the
sort. Nothing earth-shakingly wonderful, but the pleasant switch from
students who wrote of rock stars or family trips got me fairly
impressive compliments. At least three of these works went on to win
awards in local students' literary magazines, which just goes to show
that if one attempts to write furry stuff from the perspective of a
mundane, then the mundanes can enjoy it more.
Jason "Yes, Duckon caused an irrevocable change in my permanent mental
state, and I really enjoyed the whole thing!" Tracer
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R. Cody Buchmann
Mathue Taxion <Nicd...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Fox Possession wrote:
>> =
>> If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying ha=
>rd
>> enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
>> out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comic=
>s
>> on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares. But if
>> you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a real=
>ly
>> crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice.
Keeping quiet sometimes is a survival skill. Mundanes are not all
alike. Some of them are alot more hostile then others. It all depends
on what, when and where.
For example, when I was at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville,
telling some of the local townsfolk about my Furriness, especially my
friends, got me a few strange looks but no more. They accepted it for
what it was. The University itself, well, there aren't many mundanes
there to begin with. Everyone is unique there. 8}
However, that is past and gone and now I live in a white-flight suburb of
Chicago, and work in what is definitely a blue-collar job, masking photos
for a local family-owned print shop in Oak Lawn. I would not *dare* tell
about my Furriness there. Some of the folks that work there, to my
credit, are very cool, but some are typical intolerant blue-collars.
What category my real bosses fall into I don't know, but I know the
typical rule with both blue collar workers and bosses, one I learned the
hardest of ways -- what they don't understand, they fear, and what they
fear, they tend to hate and try to drive away. At best, such antagonism
would make my work much more miserable then it is, at worst, it would
cause them to force me to quit (instead of firing me -- that would allow
me to collect unemployment) and thus deny me an income alltogether. Not
all furries are lucky enough to be working in the liberal, tolerant world
of computers. And right now, I am bluntly expendable. In this job
market, anyone not into certain areas of computers seems to be VERY
expendable at the moment.
Ah well, that's a bit off topic. In any case, my views on the furries
vs. mundanes battle is that antagonism is rarely if ever a good idea, and
sometimes, staying `in the closet' is an economic necessity. Sad, but true.
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Matthew Philip Clark
> If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
> enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
> out past the point of sanity. If you're quietly collecting furry comics
> on a bookshelf, it's no surprise that nobody notices or cares.
Hey, my parents and freinds at least wonder what kind of comics I
collect. I tend to keep then away from things like Genus or Omaha and let
then read Gold Digger and Furlough. (one exception is Robert, who IS a
closet furry. Heck he didn't know what furry was till I told him.)
> But if
> you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a really
> crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice. I managed to horrify my
> entire school with just one night's worth of going around collared and
> be-tailed. Admittedly, it was prom night, but still...
On prom night? I roamed town for a week around halloween in my tail &
ears... (ok, maybe not a week, but it was a few days.) My class mates
at school got a real kick out of it; I even almost accedentally tripped my
English teacher with the tail. The night before halloween I went to the
video store and got one of the girl working the counter interested in
furries. Halloween night, me and a few friends (the zombie, the vampire,
and "The Crow") even went to the mall in costume. Definately a night to
remember.
> I didn't make many waves in college this year, pretty much kept to myself
> with some print-outs of (clean) images posted over my bed. Nobody said
> anything, other than leave about five messages a month on my voice mail
> telling me how they were gonna "get" me. Those stopped after I recorded
> ten minutes of Amy Grant music as my voice mail answering message. Go fig.
The whole tail-at-halloween-thing was during my Freshman year of
college. I still don't know exactly what my psych. professor things of
me....
> So what reactions you get pretty much depend on who you are. Closet
> furries don't get any problems, while outright freaks get as much shocked
> outrage as we want, which tends to be lots.
I seem to get a little inbetween myself... I'm not very in-your-face
about it, but I do tend to show off. :>
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Synicism
In article <4p1g1f$s...@psycfrnd.interaccess.com>,
ate...@psycfrnd.interaccess.com (R. Cody Buchmann) writes:
>Ah well, that's a bit off topic. In any case, my views on the furries
>vs. mundanes battle is that antagonism is rarely if ever a good idea, and
>sometimes, staying `in the closet' is an economic necessity. Sad, but
true.
>
>
This is true... though going to school in the oh so liberal and accepting
state of South Carolina and being a "damn Yankee" from New Jersey I've
noticed that "weird" things can provoke a much less subtle hostile
reaction from mundanes... mundanes who happen to be 6' 4" tall and built
like a gorilla with the intellect of a banana (can you say RedNeck, I knew
you could... <g>). I've seen people hurt for things less blatant than
tails and furry ears and such. Frankly, I fail to see the reason for a
furry vs. mundane battle. All it does it get people hurt and makes them
hate each other. I can't speak for anyfur else, but that's not MY idea of
what any kind of hobby or fandom or anything else should be.
Jim Lai
Syni...@AOL.COM
Scirocco
On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Jeff Ferris wrote:
> Just for thoses who might be interested...
>
> Foxy Farms is jn Salinas CA, and grow mainly Lettuces, Calliflower,
> Celery and the like. It is also marketed in California (I've seen it
> at Lucky Stores).
>
> They do use silhouettes of foxes on their shipping crates and
> packaging.
Yes, so does the Fox River Paper Co. (I think they're here in
Washington) ... They have a neat purple logo with a stylized fox running
over a few jagged lines meant to be a river. I saw it on a box at work
and tore it off when no one was looking. :>
--Scirocco Wind Dancer
David G. Bell
In article <31B348...@sisna.com>
captp...@sisna.com "Captain Packrat" writes:
> In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@anna.az.com>, Scirocco
> <ava...@anna.az.com> writes:
>
> > Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
> >school and getting weird looks? :>
>
> I wrote some furry stories in high school, but I never got any funny looks.
> In fact, my English teachers were really impressed by them. And this was
> long before I even knew that there was a fandom.
Well, teachers of English Lit would probably know a bit more about the
history of furry imagery than might the average smoothioes on the
street.
Of course, they have their own hang-ups, such as not liking the idea
that an author had money as one of their motives, but I was lucky enough
to discover some of my teachers' particular enthusiasms, which led me
into Beowulf and the Icelandic sagas and Chaucer, and stuff like that,
beyond the traditional doses of Shakespeare and Dickens.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, Furry, and Punslinger..
"Nunc demum intellego," dixit Winnie ille Pu. "Stultus et
delusus fui," dixit "et ursus sine ullo cerebro sum."
? the platypus {aka David Formosa}
kit...@boojum.urich.edu (Fox Possession) writes:
>If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
>enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
>out past the point of sanity. [...]But if
>you're walking around with a tail, collar, airbrushed shirt, and a really
>crazed look on your face, people _will_ notice.
Even In my normal form I friton peaple. I have herd from
inderect sourcers the most of the high school population is afread of
me. This I think is a good thing.
How was this achived, well long hair, a beard, an old acurbar
hat and a tendecy to walk around talking to ducks seems to be quite
effective.
[...]
>So what reactions you get pretty much depend on who you are. Closet
>furries don't get any problems, while outright freaks get as much shocked
>outrage as we want, which tends to be lots.
I don't seek outrage. But in a way its sort of gratifing.
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"Like be one with your oneness"-Shirley McLoon "I don't know Tommy"-Chucky
DLNorton@3RD|\/|iL
This reminds me of the first "punk" movement. Granted, at that time,
late 70's..punk was considered to be highly outrageous, compared to today
which it's still considered to be a "little" out of the norm, it's not
regarded as totally whacked as it was then.
If you're an *active* furry, meaning that you like to go around wearing
dog collars and sticking a tail on your ass, or say, don an entire furry
outfit/custume...then perhaps people will look at you funny...but I
think now-a-days that most folks wouldn't even give it a second thought.
"Say if I put on my red foxy outfit and saunter through the
mall...that'll shake up the straights!" ..of course you don't realize
that children are coming up to you asking for handouts and people are
having their picture taken with you. True, most "furries" are in the
closet...but what harm does that do..?? Actaully, if someone wants to go
sauntering through the mall in a full animal costume..or in a dog collar
with a tail attached..then that's their choice...if they get called
names, then again, they brought it on themselves. But it's quite a
difference to go wandering around in a dog collar with a tail on your ass
in say, Podunk, Kansas than in say, Venice Beach, California...
...it depends on the types of "mundanes" you encounter...not all mundanes
are from the sticks and have never seen a guy in a M*ckey Mouse costume..
Keep this in mind..what type of statement do you want to make in your dog
collar and tail on your butt..?? The Punks are thinking... "What kind of
statement do I want to make with this purple hair and every inch of my
face pierced...?!"
-Dean L. Norton
shad...@annex.com
Matt Henry
David G. Bell (db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <31B348...@sisna.com>
: captp...@sisna.com "Captain Packrat" writes:
:
: > In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@anna.az.com>, Scirocco
: > <ava...@anna.az.com> writes:
: >
: > > Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
: > >school and getting weird looks? :>
: >
: > I wrote some furry stories in high school, but I never got any funny looks.
:
: Well, teachers of English Lit would probably know a bit more about the
: history of furry imagery than might the average smoothioes on the
: street.
Actually, as someone working on a MA in Literature, I'd say, based on
my experience, that the typical academic type *wouldn't* be well versed on
most furries in lit, save for a few of the classic literature stories
(Chaunticleer and Pertalote, from Chaucer's "Nuns Priest's Tale come to
mind) Most writing thhat could be considered furry is also considered
genre fiction, a big no-no in the academic world.
:
: Of course, they have their own hang-ups, such as not liking the idea
: that an author had money as one of their motives, but I was lucky enough
: to discover some of my teachers' particular enthusiasms, which led me
: into Beowulf and the Icelandic sagas and Chaucer, and stuff like that,
: beyond the traditional doses of Shakespeare and Dickens.
It really depends on your teacher. Some, who cling to the concept
of a canon, tend to rely heavily on certain authors (Shakespeare, Dickens,
Whitman, Wordsworth...). However, most teachers in the higher education
circuit tend to go for more of the non-canon authors (I'm eternally
greatful to the Brit Lit I teacher who really hit the Restoration, Gay's
"Beggar's Opera," Wycherly's "The Country Wife, *grins*) who they figure
have already been hammared into students' heads through high schools....
WalksFar
In article <4or0lj$h...@julie.teleport.com>, mau...@teleport.com says...
>
>In article <4oq9lr$1...@nomad.urich.edu>,
>Fox Possession <kit...@boojum.urich.edu> wrote:
>>If you aren't getting shocked reactions, then you just aren't trying hard
>>enough! Mundanes have to be the easiest things on the planet to freak
>>entire school with just one night's worth of going around collared and
>>be-tailed. Admittedly, it was prom night, but still...
>
>
>>So what reactions you get pretty much depend on who you are. Closet
>>furries don't get any problems, while outright freaks get as much shocked
>>outrage as we want, which tends to be lots.
>
>
>Sure, Freak the Mundanes is a fun game, that is, until reality forces you
>to return to the mundane world.
>
>When dealing with mundanes who have never heard of Furry Fandom before,
>one should endevour to be the best possible ambassador to the rest of the
>world. If you go around getting in people's faces and trying deliberately
>to piss them off and freak them out, then they're going to be cheering
>from the sidelines when the people you REALLY annoy come after you
>shouting "Skunkfucker" and kicking you out of their cons.
>
>(You know, don't you, that people around Philcon are not insulted that
>furries left them. The reaction is more "Good riddance!" than "Snif, what
>have we done?!".)
>
>I mean, if someone asks you what furrydom is and you start burbling about
>your fantasies of fucking Gadget in Bondage, it's a good bet you're going
>to leave a very bad taste in their mouth. The trick is to talk about it
>in ways they can relate to, so they can understand it, even if it doesn't
>quite float their boat. If you can't make friends, at least don't make
>the fandom any more enemies. We have quite enough as it is.
>
>(It's attitudes like this that make me wonder if some folks think that
>Jeffrey Dahmer was doing great PR work for gay S&M.)
THAT is what we try to do when people ask what a furry is. We stick
to what they can understand, bring up their comicbook experiences, lunchbox
choices and cartoon favorites. THOSE are more typically furry than most
people know and lets a lot of closet furries be free to be themselves. Once
free, tis easy to edge them into the FURRLOUGH type comics. If they wish to
be more adventurous and see the "ahem" side of furrydom, tis their choice.
We shouldn't push them over the brink.
WalksFar ...
Brian Kinnison
Agreed. I was not advocating going about 'freaking the mundanes',
as in the deep south here, that could possible be hazardous to your
health. the thing that bothered me most about the mundane
reactions i recieved (and prompted me to start this thread) was
that the persons i showed some of my collection to (nothing above
an 'R' rating) were supposedly friends, people ive known for over
15 years...when i moved back into town, and wanted to show off some
stuff i liked, they broke contact with me afterwards because of
those 'sick cartoons'. and these people arent really
mundanes-theyre in the SCA, trekfans, etc.
Guess maybe its just furryness and the bible belt dont mix.
Brian Kinnison
"Its better to ask a stupid question, and have others think you are
stupid, than to keep silent and prove to them you are"
Timothy D Fay
Clay Anderson (fer...@netcom.com) wrote:
>Ro...@gnn.com (Brian Kinnison) writes:
>>hey there! i was wondering, what kinds of reactions other furries
>>get from people in their lives who arent. Parents, spouses,
>>friends, etc. Right now, i'm forced to live with my parents, who
>>definetly dont understand, or really like this kind of thing ('it
>>just aint normal'! is moms typical reaction.) and living in a place
>>like Panama City, theres not too many who even seem to care for
>>conventional fandom, much less furry. Am i in the minority here by
>>feeling sort of alienated from old friends, who just dont
>>understand, or do many others have that same feeling also.
First off, I really dislike the term 'mundane,' for several reasons.
Not the least of which is the fact that the people who use this term
are, themselves, often the most mundane people on the planet.
Secondly, if you treat "furry" has some sort of alternate lifestyle,
then you shouldn't be surprised if people ridicule and "misunderstand"
you. Those of us who treat it as just a hobby or as something fun and
interesting that we share with friends don't seem to have this problem.
>Most people I've shown anthropomorphic stuff too just get a quizzical
>look on their faces and exclaim something like "I don't get it."
I don't get most of it either. A lot of furry stuff looks like rehashed
plots from X-FILES, "anime" videos, or the latest moronic action flick,
with badly-drawn funny animals in place of Arnold Schwartzenegger. And
then there's that so-called "adult" material... There's good stuff out
there, but it's so few and far between that I'm not surprised that it
freaks out most people who've never seen it before.
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Synicism
> It really depends on your teacher. Some, who cling to the concept
>of a canon, tend to rely heavily on certain authors (Shakespeare,
Dickens,
>Whitman, Wordsworth...). However, most teachers in the higher education
>circuit tend to go for more of the non-canon authors (I'm eternally
>greatful to the Brit Lit I teacher who really hit the Restoration, Gay's
>"Beggar's Opera," Wycherly's "The Country Wife, *grins*) who they figure
>have already been hammared into students' heads through high schools....
>
>
It also depends on what class you are taking. If you're in a class about
Romantic poetry or something, a furry story is probably not going to earn
you anything but an odd look from your prof. But if you're in say, oh, I
don't know, a science fiction/fantasy lit class that emphasizes original
writing (yes, they do exist in some schools... they're just hard to find)
or even just a fiction writing class, the more innovative and creative you
are with your work the better it will generally be recieved, and furry
stuff by its very nature tends to be eye catching to those who read it.
--Jim Lai
syni...@aol.com
"The ilodium Q-36 explosive space modulator... that creature has stolen
it! Delays... delays..."
J. Simon
Scirocco (ava...@anna.az.com) wrote:
: Yes, so does the Fox River Paper Co. (I think they're here in
: Washington) ... They have a neat purple logo with a stylized fox running
: over a few jagged lines meant to be a river. I saw it on a box at work
: and tore it off when no one was looking. :>
: --Scirocco Wind Dancer
"You may be right about it being located in Washington, but I happen to
know that Wisconsin's Fox River is lined with paper companies, so..."
Another pointless fact from
- Lars
Royce
In article
<Pine.BSF.3.91.96060...@anna.az.com>,>> The few I've talked to about furry simply give me the
blank look.
>> Tried to explain it for half an hour to one friend of
mine, even using
>> the Disney's Robin Hood example they just didn't get it.
Others have
>> gotten it on the first try, just depends on person to
person I guess.
>> It is interesting though, how people think you're kind
of wacked or
>> something if you talk about furry's, like it is an
abnormal interest or
>> something. Just goes to show what those people are
missing out on :)
>>
>> K'Lan
>> (FurrMUCK and SPR)
>
> Aye, it's like some of them just can't envision what
the term
>'anthropomorphic animals' means. I recently submitted a
story in my
>Poetry & Fiction Writing class about some jewel thieves who
are furries
>(along with most everyone else in the story) and it was met
by a strange
>look or two, but it *did* net me a perfect score from the
instructor who
>was 'extremely impressed' with my description work (I
chalked it up to
>MU* building and explained to her a bit about FurryMUCK when
I chatted
>with her).
> She seemed more than open to the idea of humanoid
animals after
>our talk, having thought that perhaps I had intended a
children's story
>when she first read it, and wondering at my adult attitude
in the tale
>(driving cars, a swear word or two), which wasn't true, of
course. :>
> However, the real reason I'm replying to this is that
I've had
>three requests for a copy of this story from my classmates
who caught
>sight of the small raccoon picture (a scaled down version of
>Kizeh-1-gw.gif) I attached to the first page (so that people
reading the
>story and not knowing what a furry was could see a picture)
.. so I've
>been ecstatic to find a small knot of people who like
furries without my
>having to explain them... now, if only I can get them to
come to FurryMUCK,
>they'll be hooked.
>
> Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry
stories at
>school and getting weird looks? :>
>
avatar or something? Sounds interesting...
Amara
> > Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry stories at
> > school and getting weird looks? :>
4 and one about Chilly Willy the penguin in grade 2. :)
Gawd.. I feel old now. :)
Amara
Amara
>
> I don't get most of it either. A lot of furry stuff looks like rehashed
> plots from X-FILES, "anime" videos, or the latest moronic action flick,
> with badly-drawn funny animals in place of Arnold Schwartzenegger. And
> then there's that so-called "adult" material... There's good stuff out
> there, but it's so few and far between that I'm not surprised that it
> freaks out most people who've never seen it before.
>
of the furry stuff out there... I prefer nice, original pieces, romantic
or cute. I scan for the good stuff, and I haven't found a hell of alot.
There are some artists I like, but I really love the shocked looks from
alot of furries I know when I say 'I don't like anime' or "i read Xmen'.
Hmm... yeah, we're all mundane in our little way. :)
And no, before you ask, I don;t only read X-Books (I read onlyone,
Generation X.. it rocks) and I'll point out here and now that Stan Sakai
is god and if anyone knows how I can contact him, please email it to me. :)
Amara
Synicism
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960607215524.16986E-100000@cleo>, Amara
<ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> writes:
>And no, before you ask, I don;t only read X-Books (I read onlyone,
>Generation X.. it rocks) and I'll point out here and now that Stan Sakai
>is god and if anyone knows how I can contact him, please email it to me.
:)
>Amara
>
>
>
This really isn't a furry post, but it MIGHT help you out with yer
question. There exists on the Internet a copy of every phone book in the
USA and you can search them for people. If he's in the phone book
somewhere, he's on this site. It's at:
Check it out. It's rather daunting at first, considering that practically
everyone on the planet and his mother can find out your phone number and
where you live, but if it's there, you may as well use it.
Jim Lai
Syni...@aol.com
"Think big and small minds will sneer at you. Screw them."
Royce
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960607215524.16986E-100000@cleo>,
Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> I don't get most of it either. A lot of furry stuff looks
like rehashed
>> plots from X-FILES, "anime" videos, or the latest moronic
action flick,
>> with badly-drawn funny animals in place of Arnold
Schwartzenegger. And
>> then there's that so-called "adult" material... There's
good stuff out
>> there, but it's so few and far between that I'm not
surprised that it
>> freaks out most people who've never seen it before.
>>
><nodnodnodnodnod> I know what you mean, Tim.... I realyl
don't like alot
>of the furry stuff out there... I prefer nice, original
pieces, romantic
>or cute. I scan for the good stuff, and I haven't found a
hell of alot.
>There are some artists I like, but I really love the shocked
looks from
>alot of furries I know when I say 'I don't like anime' or "i
read Xmen'.
>Hmm... yeah, we're all mundane in our little way. :)
onlyone,
>Generation X.. it rocks) and I'll point out here and now
that Stan Sakai
>is god and if anyone knows how I can contact him, please
email it to me. :)
>Amara
Me, I prefer the cute stuff too. I like to try to make my
drawings cute, and I think a good way to learn how to draw
is to look at other people's drawings. I don't really like
the erotic pictures, and most of them look stupid anyway.
Scirocco
On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Royce wrote:
> > Anyone else had an experience with turning in furry
> stories at
> >school and getting weird looks? :>
> >
> I wouldn't, by any chance, be able to find that story on
> avatar or something? Sounds interesting...
No, I don't have the story posted on Avatar, but I'll think about
it. I might be persuaded to get you a copy when I finish it (it's due in
final form on monday, June 10) ... Lord willing, I'll get done by then. :>
--Scirocco Wind Dancer
P.S. <warm smile> at someone who finds even his hint interesting. :>
Thankyouthankyouthankyou. :>
Amara
>
> Me, I prefer the cute stuff too. I like to try to make my
> drawings cute, and I think a good way to learn how to draw
> is to look at other people's drawings. I don't really like
> the erotic pictures, and most of them look stupid anyway.
>
where I may see some of your pictures? :) Don't worry if you're a
beginner, I'm open minded enough to see that and offer advice if you
want it. :)
Amara. ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au
Kenneth Poland
On 5 Jun 1996 16:59:53 GMT, fayx...@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Timothy D Fay)
wrote:
> First off, I really dislike the term 'mundane,' for several reasons.
> Not the least of which is the fact that the people who use this term
> are, themselves, often the most mundane people on the planet.
I agree with this. I never liked that word being used on any person since I
first heard it used that way. Many of those who are not furry do seem to
lead mundane lives, but that doesn't mean that they are mundane themselves.
I've run into some furries who seem to lead mundane lives too.
> Secondly, if you treat "furry" has some sort of alternate lifestyle,
> then you shouldn't be surprised if people ridicule and "misunderstand"
> you. Those of us who treat it as just a hobby or as something fun and
> interesting that we share with friends don't seem to have this problem.
I do treat my furriness as a lifestyle. I've never had much of a problem
with it though. Nobody has ever ridiculed me because of it yet. I do run
into those that don't understand what it means to me, but that's to be
expected when you have a different lifestyle. Furry is a hobby and is fun
for me, but it also so much more than that. There seems to be infinite
degrees of furriness and ways of enjoying it. I am very happy with what it
does for me. I desire to live a furry life at all times and enjoy every
moment of it. :)
> >Most people I've shown anthropomorphic stuff too just get a quizzical
> >look on their faces and exclaim something like "I don't get it."
> I don't get most of it either. A lot of furry stuff looks like rehashed
> plots from X-FILES, "anime" videos, or the latest moronic action flick,
> with badly-drawn funny animals in place of Arnold Schwartzenegger. And
> then there's that so-called "adult" material... There's good stuff out
> there, but it's so few and far between that I'm not surprised that it
> freaks out most people who've never seen it before.
I've gotten disgusted looks from some of the adult stuff, but that's not
because it was furry. I would have gotten the same results it the subjects
were all humans in an adult situation. I never got any bad reaction from
non-adult furry art. Most people seem to see it as cute or interesting.
Personally, I find depictions of violence and lots of weapons to be
distasteful, even in furry art. I tend to just ingore this and go on to
other things that I like better. I usually look for good quality drawing in
situations that I can relate to. Many of these turn out to be adult though.
I don't think I've ever really freaked anyone out over furry art yet.
What sort of things do you consider to be good out there? I have a wide
variety of likes, with violence being my only dislike.
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Scirocco
On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Royce wrote:
> Me, I prefer the cute stuff too. I like to try to make my
> drawings cute, and I think a good way to learn how to draw
> is to look at other people's drawings. I don't really like
> the erotic pictures, and most of them look stupid anyway.
True, some of them aren't all that good. Like someone else said,
you have to go looking and keep your eyes open for the good stuff. The
problem I have with most 'cute' stuff is that it makes them look insanely
unintelligent (not that a sweaty vixen looks any smarter, but--) ... I'd
rather think of furries as another race (you know, someone who could run
for president) rather than Hallmark card photo models. YUCK! I have a
copy of Gallery #22 and there are some mice in there that just make me
want to gag with their huge eyes and expressions of dull wit and mindless
desire to be cute. It's sick.
-- Scirocco Wind Dancer, who thinks there's a limit to
the ability some have to 'turn cuteness on like a search light.' :P
Mer'rark
Scirocco (ava...@anna.az.com) wrote:
: On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Jeff Ferris wrote:
: > Just for thoses who might be interested...
: >
: > Foxy Farms is jn Salinas CA, and grow mainly Lettuces, Calliflower,
: > Celery and the like. It is also marketed in California (I've seen it
: > at Lucky Stores).
: >
: > They do use silhouettes of foxes on their shipping crates and
: > packaging.
: Yes, so does the Fox River Paper Co. (I think they're here in
: Washington) ... They have a neat purple logo with a stylized fox running
: over a few jagged lines meant to be a river. I saw it on a box at work
: and tore it off when no one was looking. :>
: --Scirocco Wind Dancer
And let's not forget.... Dick Simon Trucking uh... something or
other. They got this cute little skunk sitting up on his hindlegs,
holding up a banner with their name on it. They're pretty common here
in the L.A. and O.C. area.
Sorry... no one's ever mentioned them before that I've seen. =)
--
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Amiga user for nine years and counting, keeper of the sacred
Wizard bit on Animal Nation and Sociopolitical Ramifications
(svansmoj.ctrl-c.liu.se 23), member of FurryMUCK for two years
and counting, and member of Furtoonia for less than that. Keep
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Herman Miller
In article <4pgcd1$f...@news.erie.net>, ga...@moose.erie.net says...
>
>I've gotten disgusted looks from some of the adult stuff, but that's not
>because it was furry. I would have gotten the same results it the subjects
>were all humans in an adult situation. I never got any bad reaction from
>non-adult furry art. Most people seem to see it as cute or interesting.
>Personally, I find depictions of violence and lots of weapons to be
>distasteful, even in furry art. I tend to just ingore this and go on to
>other things that I like better. I usually look for good quality drawing in
>situations that I can relate to. Many of these turn out to be adult though.
>I don't think I've ever really freaked anyone out over furry art yet.
>
>What sort of things do you consider to be good out there? I have a wide
>variety of likes, with violence being my only dislike.
I think the context and severity of the violence matter significantly.
Coyote/Roadrunner violence is so bizarre (and you can't harm toons, anyway)
that it doesn't even push any of my anti-violence buttons. Natural violence
in the context of a story like _Watership Down_ doesn't bother me as much as
sustained, intense violence as in S. Andrew Swann's books. But excessive or
gratuitous violence does have a tendency to turn me away from a work.
Excessive scatological references aren't welcome, either (but I don't see
much of that in furry art or writing). And I avoid entirely the kind of
overcute overhappy kidstuff typified by Barney and the Care Bears.
There's a wide variety of things I like in furry art and writing. Actually,
variety itself is one of the things I like the most. The fact that there
are so many different possibilities to explore, beyond traditional human
literature, is exciting. Echoes of the lifestyles and behaviors of real
world animals are always welcome, but so is something totally different and
alien. Even "humans in fur suits" have their good points.
The quality of the art is a point in its favor, but I even like a lot of
amateurish art, even though it isn't as well polished. That's one of the
things I like about the Avatar archive. Almost everything you can get in a
bookstore (or even most comic shops) is the result of what's been "filtered"
through the publishers, and it's refreshing to see "fan art" from people who
are doing it for fun, as well as the more professional art. Even though it
may not look as nice, you can see through the superficial awkwardness to the
underlying ideas and personalities.
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Tim Gadd
ga...@moose.erie.net (Kenneth Poland) wrote:
>On 5 Jun 1996 16:59:53 GMT, fayx...@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Timothy D Fay)
>wrote:
>> First off, I really dislike the term 'mundane,' for several reasons.
>> Not the least of which is the fact that the people who use this term
>> are, themselves, often the most mundane people on the planet.
>I agree with this. I never liked that word being used on any person since I
>first heard it used that way. Many of those who are not furry do seem to
>lead mundane lives, but that doesn't mean that they are mundane themselves.
>I've run into some furries who seem to lead mundane lives too.
Well, if I were a 'mundane', and I lobbed onto a.f.f, and came across
a thread like 'What sort of underwear do furries wear', I think I'd
have to conclude that furries were about as mundane as you can get.
Nevertheless, what this really boils down to is that by applying the
label 'mundane' to someone, we are guilty of the same prejudicial
attitude that we continuously moan about in other people - which is,
in fact, the reason this thread started in the first place. I know
why the term is applied: it's a self-empowerment thing. But it's also
hypocritical.
--
Tim Gadd
Tasmania
(tjg...@southcom.com.au)
'My pink half of the drainpipe,
I may paint it blue
My pink half of the drainpipe
Keeps me safe from you'
Viv Stanshall
Royce
In article
<Pine.BSF.3.91.96061...@anna.az.com>,
Scirocco <ava...@anna.az.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Royce wrote:
>
>> Me, I prefer the cute stuff too. I like to try to make my
>> drawings cute, and I think a good way to learn how to draw
>> is to look at other people's drawings. I don't really like
>> the erotic pictures, and most of them look stupid anyway.
>
> True, some of them aren't all that good. Like
someone else said,
>you have to go looking and keep your eyes open for the good
stuff. The
>problem I have with most 'cute' stuff is that it makes them
look insanely
>unintelligent (not that a sweaty vixen looks any smarter,
but--) ... I'd
>rather think of furries as another race (you know, someone
who could run
>for president) rather than Hallmark card photo models.
YUCK! I have a
>copy of Gallery #22 and there are some mice in there that
just make me
>want to gag with their huge eyes and expressions of dull wit
and mindless
>desire to be cute. It's sick.
>
Well, I don't really want them quite THAT cute. That's a
little over doing it. I guess what I meant is that I like the
pictures that look good, but without being, how do I put
this... "detailed". I like the ones that actually look like
the animal that it's supposed to be. I like the idea of
anthropomorphised animals, but don't particularly care for
the ones that are anthropomorphised so much that they look
like just humans with a furry face and a tail. I don't know
how exactly to explain what it is that I like best. I
downloaded a bunch of pictures from Avatar, but I haven't
found one yet that really accurately depicts my tastes in
drawing. I'm sorta working my way through the alphabet, but
unfortunately am still only on the A's. I'm not too worried
about filling my hard drive though, as a lot of them I take
one look and end up deleting... Well, anyway, even though I
like the cute stuff (but not so much the REALLY cute
stuff-more like the good looking stuff :)) I like the cool
looking ones too. I just want to get that straight, so you
don't think that the cute things are the only ones I like.
-Royce
mjdrake
>Well, I don't really want them quite THAT cute. That's a
>little over doing it. I guess what I meant is that I like the
>pictures that look good, but without being, how do I put
>this... "detailed". I like the ones that actually look like
>the animal that it's supposed to be. I like the idea of
>anthropomorphised animals, but don't particularly care for
>the ones that are anthropomorphised so much that they look
>like just humans with a furry face and a tail. I don't know
>how exactly to explain what it is that I like best. I
>downloaded a bunch of pictures from Avatar, but I haven't
>found one yet that really accurately depicts my tastes in
>drawing. I'm sorta working my way through the alphabet, but
>unfortunately am still only on the A's. I'm not too worried
>about filling my hard drive though, as a lot of them I take
>one look and end up deleting... Well, anyway, even though I
>like the cute stuff (but not so much the REALLY cute
>stuff-more like the good looking stuff :)) I like the cool
>looking ones too. I just want to get that straight, so you
>don't think that the cute things are the only ones I like.
>
Go to the W's, Doug Winger is one of my personal faves, there are some
excellent artists on there. There are also some not so good ones.
Amara
> On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Royce wrote:
>
> > Me, I prefer the cute stuff too. I like to try to make my
> > drawings cute, and I think a good way to learn how to draw
> > is to look at other people's drawings. I don't really like
> > the erotic pictures, and most of them look stupid anyway.
>
> True, some of them aren't all that good. Like someone else said,
> you have to go looking and keep your eyes open for the good stuff. The
> problem I have with most 'cute' stuff is that it makes them look insanely
> unintelligent (not that a sweaty vixen looks any smarter, but--) ... I'd
> rather think of furries as another race (you know, someone who could run
> for president) rather than Hallmark card photo models. YUCK! I have a
> copy of Gallery #22 and there are some mice in there that just make me
> want to gag with their huge eyes and expressions of dull wit and mindless
> desire to be cute. It's sick.
>
Cute does not mean hallmark card things.. I find things that are that
cute ugly. I get 'cute' for my stuff all the time, and it isn't *cute*
cute... just, well.. cute. Even my ugly looks cute. I'd also rather
have Hallmark Card Cute to alot of the (pardon my french and for being
blatantly blunt here) crap I've seen out there, particularly quite alot
of therotica. I'm in no way a feminist, but some of the stuff I've seen
out there is so demeaning to both women and (IMHO) the arists that draw
some of these, it sickens me. I'm not mentioning any names, because I
don't believe in public humiliation.
Amara
Urthwyse the Northern Dragon
> >
> Er.. you're confusing cute with "gah! Quick! Quick! Pass the Insulin!!".
> Cute does not mean hallmark card things.. I find things that are that
> cute ugly. I get 'cute' for my stuff all the time, and it isn't *cute*
> cute... just, well.. cute. Even my ugly looks cute.
Cute need not be oversaccharine. As an example of something so
ugly it's cute, take the skeksis from The Dark Crystal. They had their
own charm.
> I'd also rather
> have Hallmark Card Cute to alot of the (pardon my french and for being
> blatantly blunt here) crap I've seen out there, particularly quite alot
> of therotica. I'm in no way a feminist, but some of the stuff I've seen
> out there is so demeaning to both women and (IMHO) the arists that draw
> some of these, it sickens me. I'm not mentioning any names, because I
> don't believe in public humiliation.
That kind of goes into the realm of one person's art being
another's smut. It's subjective. Most of the erotica in furrydom is
badly done. In fact, most art in furrydom is pretty bad, even for
amateurs. Most of the erotica is, in fact, trash, but there is some
tasteful stuff. For the most part, I like the "nudies" which is basically
just cheesecake. Genus started off pretty good, but most stuff now is
badly drawn and seems nothing more than an outlet for the artist's or
writer's personal fantasies and fetishes (why so much bondage? sheesh!).
Herman Miller
In article <4pnft4$2...@ns2.spectra.net>, do...@email.me says...
>
>Well, I don't really want them quite THAT cute. That's a
>little over doing it. I guess what I meant is that I like the
>pictures that look good, but without being, how do I put
>this... "detailed". I like the ones that actually look like
>the animal that it's supposed to be. I like the idea of
>anthropomorphised animals, but don't particularly care for
>the ones that are anthropomorphised so much that they look
>like just humans with a furry face and a tail. I don't know
>how exactly to explain what it is that I like best. I
>downloaded a bunch of pictures from Avatar, but I haven't
>found one yet that really accurately depicts my tastes in
>drawing. I'm sorta working my way through the alphabet, but
>unfortunately am still only on the A's.
My favorite in the A's has got to be Eric Schwartz's Amy.gif. I normally
don't prefer a cartoony style, and she's not even a realistic squirrel, but
what can I say? She's Amy the Squirrel, she doesn't have to follow the
rules. It's hard to characterize my favorite furry art in general; they
don't seem to have much in common -- compare anglweep.gif, Celine-gw.gif,
chinese.gif, free.gif, roxiana_otter.gif, and Saswisse.gif.
Tygger
Herman Miller (hmi...@io.com) wrote:
: don't seem to have much in common -- compare anglweep.gif, Celine-gw.gif,
: chinese.gif, free.gif, roxiana_otter.gif, and Saswisse.gif.
*BLINKS*
My gods...THAT old thing is still OUT there?! I would have thot
anglweep.gif would have been dropped into some old and forgotten corner
of the site.
*smiles to Herman* Thanks for the compliment.
--Tygger
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Scirocco
On 12 Jun 1996, mjdrake wrote:
>
> >Well, I don't really want them quite THAT cute. That's a
> >little over doing it. I guess what I meant is that I like the
> >pictures that look good, but without being, how do I put
> >this... "detailed". I like the ones that actually look like
> >the animal that it's supposed to be. I like the idea of
> >anthropomorphised animals, but don't particularly care for
> >the ones that are anthropomorphised so much that they look
> >like just humans with a furry face and a tail. I don't know
> >how exactly to explain what it is that I like best. I
> >downloaded a bunch of pictures from Avatar, but I haven't
> >found one yet that really accurately depicts my tastes in
> >drawing. I'm sorta working my way through the alphabet, but
> >unfortunately am still only on the A's. I'm not too worried
> >about filling my hard drive though, as a lot of them I take
> >one look and end up deleting... Well, anyway, even though I
> >like the cute stuff (but not so much the REALLY cute
> >stuff-more like the good looking stuff :)) I like the cool
> >looking ones too. I just want to get that straight, so you
> >don't think that the cute things are the only ones I like.
> >
> Go to the W's, Doug Winger is one of my personal faves, there are some
> excellent artists on there. There are also some not so good ones.
Sorry for quoting this entire thing. :P Make sure you look for
Greywolf's stuff, that's anything with a '-gw' extension. I love his
unicorns in particular and he has some good raccoons, too. :>
--Scirocco Wind Dancer
Rat
Scirocco <ava...@anna.az.com> wrote:
In case anyone cares, I have an authorized site for P. Jordan
Greywolf's furry stuff at http://rat.org/pub/furry/peacockt/index.htm
I've got thumbnails for every file, and FREE BEER! :)
<grin>
Ok, no beer, but I do have over 1500 files and 50 artists now, and all
the files were uploaded by the artist themselves.
Still no adult stuff, but there's bound to be something you like
anyway. :)
If anyone has any comments, i'd love to hear them. I'd like to think
i'm doing this for the people browsing the pages, not the artists.
And why do I get the feeling I'm just annoying everyone? I could sure
use some help promoting my site. :)
Dr. Cat
Rat (r...@rat.org) wrote:
: And why do I get the feeling I'm just annoying everyone? I could sure
: use some help promoting my site. :)
The cute little rat picture with the caption "Worship me, mortals" is
just the coolest things! (There, did that help enuff?)
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Rat
c...@eden.com (Dr. Cat) wrote:
>Rat (r...@rat.org) wrote:
>: And why do I get the feeling I'm just annoying everyone? I could sure
>: use some help promoting my site. :)
>
>The cute little rat picture with the caption "Worship me, mortals" is
>just the coolest things! (There, did that help enuff?)
<grin>
Yup. :)
But that's on the main rat.org page. I'm trying to promote the furry
section. At least in here.
But yeah, I liked the way that "worship me moral" ratty came out. :)
Here's the spam:
(I should use this as a sig.... NAH!!)
SCFA - Squeeky Clean Furry Archive
http://rat.org/furry
--------------------
This ad updated: 06/15/96
- 51 artists / 1587 images, and growing fast
- Organized by Artists.
- Thumbnails and descriptions for every picture.
- Download all the thumbnails in a ZIP file.
- Search.
- All artists have direct access to their directories. When they
add files, all the web pages are automatically updated.
- A mirror of Avatar's images section
- If you're an furry artist, I'd love to have you aboard!
Fill out the application that is on the site.
Herman Miller
In article <Pine.BSF.3.91.960614...@anna.az.com>,
ava...@anna.az.com says...
>
> Sorry for quoting this entire thing. :P Make sure you look for
>Greywolf's stuff, that's anything with a '-gw' extension. I love his
>unicorns in particular and he has some good raccoons, too. :>
>
And many nice felines, foxes, and bats! Even some interesting fairylike
beings!
Royce
In article
<Pine.BSF.3.91.960614...@anna.az.com>,
Scirocco <ava...@anna.az.com> wrote:
> Sorry for quoting this entire thing. :P Make sure
you look for
>Greywolf's stuff, that's anything with a '-gw' extension. I
love his
>unicorns in particular and he has some good raccoons, too.
:>
>
> --Scirocco Wind Dancer
I've seen some of those. I like his work. It is pretty good.
-Royce
Herman Miller
In article <4q2bck$q...@bonkers.taronga.com>, pe...@taronga.com says...
>
>In article <4plfii$r...@lace.colorado.edu>, mjdrake <mjd...@kktv.com>
wrote:
>>Go to the W's, Doug Winger is one of my personal faves, there are some
>>excellent artists on there. There are also some not so good ones.
>
>like humans with animal heads and tails. Not all, but some... and they
>aren't quite good enough (though better than most) to make up for it.
>
>Though they're toony, and definitely spoogy, Biohazard's Alice and Bob
>pictures are really much more furry. Still very humanoid, but without
>the overly detailed playboy-pinup humanity Doug's stuff gets. And Doug's
>as spoogy, so it's not that one's more "acceptable" than the other...
>it's just a furrier style.
Well, Biohazard's humans also look like that. They're different styles, and
both good, but I think I prefer Doug Winger's more recent furries
(especially foxey2.gif); they have a solidity to them that you don't see
with more toonish furries. On the other paw, his squirrels have always
seemed strange to me, and not squirrelish enough.
Chris Forsyth
Rat (r...@rat.org) wrote:
: c...@eden.com (Dr. Cat) wrote:
"Worship me mortal". Hmph. Well, if that's you're general attitude, it
does explain a few things. A warning to the artists who use this guy's
site--this is the same guy who, up until recently, was running the Sonic
the Hedgehog mailing list. The same guy who pulled a list with fairly
good traffic simply because he was tired of it, and then proceeded to
rant about ingrates and such when people complained. Just be aware of this.
Chris Forsyth
Synicism
In article <4q014k$i...@nntp-1.io.com>, hmi...@io.com (Herman Miller)
writes:
>And many nice felines, foxes, and bats! Even some interesting fairylike
>beings!
>
>
Which, though completely off topic, reminds me, has anyone seen the "Book
of Pressed Fairies?" I saw it in a humor section once and thought it
might make a terriffic gag gift. <g>
Amara
>
> "Worship me mortal". Hmph. Well, if that's you're general attitude, it
> does explain a few things. A warning to the artists who use this guy's
> site--this is the same guy who, up until recently, was running the Sonic
> the Hedgehog mailing list. The same guy who pulled a list with fairly
> good traffic simply because he was tired of it, and then proceeded to
> rant about ingrates and such when people complained. Just be aware of this.
> Chris Forsyth
>
and I think if Rat pulled this off the net because of boredom, alot more
people would be annoyed. Also, the 'worship me mortals' is a joke. Live
with it. ;) I'm the type of person that is tempted to put 'World
Domination' on Job applications. And if someone complained about the
sonic mailiong list being pulled, why not find someone else to do it? Hmmm?
Food for thought.
Amara... rat.org artist and logo maker.
Rat
I wish I had the origional post so I could reply to that, but this is
all that's on my news server.
>> "Worship me mortal". Hmph. Well, if that's you're general attitude, it
>> does explain a few things. A warning to the artists who use this guy's
>> site--this is the same guy who, up until recently, was running the Sonic
>> the Hedgehog mailing list. The same guy who pulled a list with fairly
>> good traffic simply because he was tired of it, and then proceeded to
>> rant about ingrates and such when people complained. Just be aware of this.
>> Chris Forsyth
And what is your conclusion? Artists should stay away? Can you please
tell me why you want all my future endevors to fail just because I
pulled the plug on a past one?
>Bitch bitch bitch, it's a good site.. it's mmore than just a mailing list
>and I think if Rat pulled this off the net because of boredom, alot more
>people would be annoyed.
I did account for the "boredom" factor, which is why I made the site
totally automated. Then I can take a break from it, and it will still
keep going. I didn't want the furry site to suffer the same fate as
most everything else on rat.org. I just get tired of it after awhile,
and if I'm not into it, what's the point of me devoting my resources
to it? I mean really! Anyone who disagees, I want you to buy all your
friends new cars every year, then after 10 years, stop. What a bastard
you are for not buying them a car on the 11th year!
As far as I'm concerned, i'm doing this for free, and people should
appreciate what I'm doing, and not whine about what i'm not. And I
tell you, it really does hurt when people whine. I feel like I wasted
months of my life and I did all that work for nothing. All that work,
sweat and love for people who just suck it up and kick me when I stop.
Arg, and now here I am whining. Ok, i'll shaddup now. :)
> Also, the 'worship me mortals' is a joke. Live
>with it. ;) I'm the type of person that is tempted to put 'World
>Domination' on Job applications.
:)
Did you ever get a job that way? If I was the interviewer, I'd
probably ask you if you were a Pinky and the Brain fan. :)
> And if someone complained about the
>sonic mailiong list being pulled, why not find someone else to do it? Hmmm?
There are finally 2 mailing lists that popped up after I shut mine
down. And you'd figure they would be happier since I was so hated.
<shrug> I can't say I'm sorry I shut it down after all the heat I got
from it.
But despite all my rage (not in a cage) I will learn from that, and
try to find a new home for whatever I shut down before killing it. In
fact, I was about to do that for the Sonic list, but after all the
flames, I wasn't so inclined. It's hard to serve people when they're
kicking you, know what I mean?
>Food for thought.
Yum.
>Amara... rat.org artist and logo maker.
And of course I didn't tell you to say all that, right? :)
Amara
> As far as I'm concerned, i'm doing this for free, and people should
> appreciate what I'm doing, and not whine about what i'm not. And I
> tell you, it really does hurt when people whine. I feel like I wasted
> months of my life and I did all that work for nothing. All that work,
> sweat and love for people who just suck it up and kick me when I stop.
> Arg, and now here I am whining. Ok, i'll shaddup now. :)
Aww, we still love ya rat... I know of some people that wouldn't mind an
FTP site, but I got it all explained to me byu you. :) ands as far as
anyone is concerned, its your business on such policies. :)
>
> :)
> Did you ever get a job that way? If I was the interviewer, I'd
> probably ask you if you were a Pinky and the Brain fan. :)
Heehee... not yet, actually. :) I will one of these days... Are ou
wondering what I'm pondering, pinky?
> >Amara... rat.org artist and logo maker.
>
> And of course I didn't tell you to say all that, right? :)
>
Of course you didn't, I promote my ego by my own free will. ;)
Heh.. :)
Amara
Lex Nakashima
Chris Forsyth <fox...@tsb.weschke.com> wrote:
> "Worship me mortal". Hmph. Well, if that's you're general attitude, it
>does explain a few things. A warning to the artists who use this guy's
>site--this is the same guy who, up until recently, was running the Sonic
>the Hedgehog mailing list. The same guy who pulled a list with fairly
>good traffic simply because he was tired of it, and then proceeded to
>rant about ingrates and such when people complained. Just be aware of this.
> Chris Forsyth
I had seen that thread (about the Sonic mailing list) and came to
the conclusion that, based on the postings, "Rat" was a sane, thoughtful
individual whose posts were very diplomatic, and the others were ranting
psychofans. I think it was Forsyth (but I could be wrong) who
described a situation where he incited a flame war against the person
running the list (ie, the list was on his system or equipment), and
gleefully took credit for this bit of nastiness. When Rat posted an
essentially polite reply that it was no one's fault, and was turning the
list off because it wasn't much fun anymore (and if you ain't getting
paid, and it ain't fun, why bother?). I think your vendetta is wrong;
also you don't have a sense of humor, or you would have gotten the
"Worship me mortal" bit.
BTW, I have no idea who Rat is, but I do know that -he- wasn't the
one who ranted and raved.
Lex (Who generally doesn't post much, but is irked when he perceives
an injustice being done and feels that more people ought to stand up and
make themselves heard when they agree or disagree with something [read:I
felt bad not speaking out when the loonies flamed this guy the first time])
Chris Forsyth
Lex Nakashima (ter...@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <4q4c0r$s...@tsb.weschke.com>,
: Chris Forsyth <fox...@tsb.weschke.com> wrote:
: > "Worship me mortal". Hmph. Well, if that's you're general attitude, it
: >does explain a few things. A warning to the artists who use this guy's
: >site--this is the same guy who, up until recently, was running the Sonic
: >the Hedgehog mailing list. The same guy who pulled a list with fairly
: >good traffic simply because he was tired of it, and then proceeded to
: >rant about ingrates and such when people complained. Just be aware of this.
: > Chris Forsyth
: I had seen that thread (about the Sonic mailing list) and came to
: the conclusion that, based on the postings, "Rat" was a sane, thoughtful
: individual whose posts were very diplomatic, and the others were ranting
: psychofans. I think it was Forsyth (but I could be wrong) who
: described a situation where he incited a flame war against the person
: running the list (ie, the list was on his system or equipment), and
: gleefully took credit for this bit of nastiness. When Rat posted an
: essentially polite reply that it was no one's fault, and was turning the
(snip snip snip)
That was most definitely not me. I don't start flame wars, at least
not by 'nastiness'. And as far as lacking a sense of humor, and
understanding the 'Worship me, mortal'...people who know me, RL as well
as the nets, know I have a fairly good, albeit sick, twisted, and
generally warped sense of humor. But the 'joke' rather falls flat when
the person in question starts acting like he expected to be worshiped for
providing this wonderful service that took a minimal amount of resources
for him.
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Chris Forsyth fox...@tsb.weschke.com
aka Vulpis Foxfire (Vulpis@FurryMUCK, Tapestries, FurryFuzz, Overdrive)
"Intelligence is inversely proportional to the size of the paycheck."
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Chris Forsyth
Lex Nakashima (ter...@netcom.com) wrote:
(big snip)
: BTW, I have no idea who Rat is, but I do know that -he- wasn't the
That's because you're only seeing what he posted to alt.fan.furry,
and not what he put on the Sonic list itself before he finally took it
down.
: Lex (Who generally doesn't post much, but is irked when he perceives
: an injustice being done and feels that more people ought to stand up and
: make themselves heard when they agree or disagree with something [read:I
: felt bad not speaking out when the loonies flamed this guy the first time])
*SIGH* Why is it people don't want to do basic research into a topic
before jumping on the bandwagon....You don't know who is a 'loonie' in a
fight unless you know what the situation of the fight is.
Gary Breuckman
In article <4r9g6n$p...@tsb.weschke.com>,
Chris Forsyth <fox...@tsb.weschke.com> wrote:
>
> *SIGH* Why is it people don't want to do basic research into a topic
>before jumping on the bandwagon....You don't know who is a 'loonie' in a
>fight unless you know what the situation of the fight is.
And why is it that folks from a mailing list want to take their squabble
and air it on alt.fan.furry where NO ONE ELSE knows what it's all about?
Why would we WANT to research it?
What's the point?
--
pu...@execpc.com
Rat
pu...@earth.execpc.com (Gary Breuckman) wrote:
Agreed.
Can we stop this please? If this belongs anywhere, put it in
alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. But then ask yourself, what the hell does this
have to do with Sonic, let alone furry?
I promise, this is the last time I'll post about this on a.f.f
Lex Nakashima
(big snip)
> That's because you're only seeing what he posted to alt.fan.furry,
>and not what he put on the Sonic list itself before he finally took it
>down.
<more snipped>
> *SIGH* Why is it people don't want to do basic research into a topic
>before jumping on the bandwagon....You don't know who is a 'loonie' in a
>fight unless you know what the situation of the fight is.
Hi, Chris--My comments were based on what was posted on AFF; I have
no interest in Sonic (cartoon, game, whatever--just not my bag) and had
no inclination to track down the origins of the thread (and besides, I
didn't have access tothe mailing list anyways). I saw two things on the
threads on AFF: first, that one side was being rational and diplomatic;
even if this was a calculated pose, there was nothing to prevent the
other side from being polite and rational as well (he ranted literally
bragged about being the one who flamed the guy running the list). I'm a
firm believer in the, "If something done for fun becomes not-fun to do,
then stop doing it." It doesn't matter if it required few resources to
maintain, it was his right (just as it's anyone's right to start up a new
one elsewhere if they felt so inclined; if the list didn't require much
to do, why didn't someone just re-start it again on someone else's
hardware?
The second thing I observed was that while there was a lot of
unhappiness going on, neither side really disputed the basic facts (it
was this guy's list on his hardware that he was maintaining). That being
the case, he had every right to do what he did. Oh, and apologies to
you, Chris--it was some flamer named "Delacroix" that posted the rude
message/reply.
Later--Lex
danb...@radix.net
<MAJOR snip>
> But the 'joke' rather falls flat when
> the person in question starts acting like he expected to be worshiped for
> providing this wonderful service that took a minimal amount of resources
> for him.
> Chris Forsyth fox...@tsb.weschke.com
OK, I just have to jump in on this one. (hears groans from more mature members
of NG.)
Philosophical points:
First of all, it doesn't matter *how much resources* it takes to provide a
service. The guy obviously had to spend *some* personal time doing it, and
the value of that time is infinite.
Second of all, if you enjoyed any value at all from the service, you *should*
feel grateful to the provider(s). If not you should stop using it.
Third of all, these services are provided *voluntarily* and you the user have
no moral or other claim to continue receiving them.
Fourth, if the service is of such global value, get together with some of the
other people who like it and resurrect it.
Personal opinion:
I think people who provide *free* *valuable* services *should* be treated with
a certain amount of gratitude and respect, if not "worship." Lord knows we
need more of them.
Dr. Cat
> But the 'joke' rather falls flat when
> the person in question starts acting like he expected to be worshiped for
> providing this wonderful service that took a minimal amount of resources
> for him.
> Chris Forsyth fox...@tsb.weschke.com
Geez, I'd think it's the other way around - if a big company like
Microsoft or AT&T, or the ruler of a large country said "worship me,
mortals" people wouldn't take it as very funny. Whereas if somebody who
has not-too-much says it it is funnier - and not at all scary, neither.
Guess it's true, ya just can't tell a joke on Usenet fur nothin. :X)