What webcomics are you reading now?
Elf Sternberg
mercy so I don't feel particularly put out by asking yet again for
people's opinions on webcomics. I don't care necessarily if they're
furry.
Top three:
#4: Goats! (http://www.goats.com). Goats has proven
consistently funny in the past year. It has spoofed space aliens,
psychic hotlines, and Scientology, and done so with verve and panache.
The writer has a strong sense of humor that shines through.
"Pay no attention to the wildlife."
#3: Megatokyo (http://www.megatokyo.com). Yes, sadly Megatokyo
has fallen in my eyes recently. I don't know if it's a sudden lack of
consitency or the shine of young love fading (my love for the strip, not
Piro's problems). I still want to know how it all works out between
Piro and the girls, but Fred and Rodney have to stop toying with our
emotions. Yes, the series will probably be over the same way
Moonlighting was over when Maddy and David finally fell into bed, but at
least we'll have a good moment and need a smoke afterwards. All good
things, etc. etc. And what the Hell is it with Tohoya-san?
"Beware the rent-a-zilla!"
#2a & b: Nip'n'Tuck and Under the Lemon Tree. Okay, so they're
not even remotely related except that the same artist does both of
them. They're still so fr%#!#%!^ing cool that
#1: As If! (http://www.asifcomic.com). So the set-up isn't
terribly new or exciting: two teenage girls trying to survive high
school. In the 80's, no less. What put "As If!" at the top of my list
is that the art and the writing are absolutely drop-dead perfect. The
humor is fabulous, the art clean and professional, and the characters
better-realized than anything else out there. This is a comic by people
who grew up listening to Tiffany, got over it, and aren't at all bitter
about it.
"Maul those bunnies."
I'm sure I would find TiraOnLine
(http://www.geocities.com/mangamaster2/tinaonline) more amusing if I
spoke Spanish. And if the artist cared more. I haven't decided if I
like Poisonwind yet. Alice Otter is cute, but the Harvey-era art gets
on my nerves far too quickly.
I like Sinfest, but much prefer Non Sequitor (especially Danae's
way of dealing with her favorite Usenet newsgroup: "Anyone who disagrees
with my preconceived notions is too stupid to live!"). User Friendly,
Rose is Rose, Angst Technology, and the Norm are on my bookmarks. Still
digging Sabrina and company but I'm more or less ignoring Kevin'n'Kell.
Stick a fork in it; it's done.
Elf
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Disproportionately Popular Among Homosexuals.
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf/ (under construction)
Dr. K
Im not reading any, Im reading yer newsgroup post and responding to it.
-mc
David J Rust
on 6/5/02 2:29 PM:
> The universe that is webcomics seems to change daily and without
> mercy so I don't feel particularly put out by asking yet again for
> people's opinions on webcomics. I don't care necessarily if they're
> furry.
The two best that I read, without fail, are Sluggy Freelance
(http://www.sluggy.com/) and User Friendly (also mentioned in your
listing... Some of the best humor on the 'net! :)
Yours,
David J Rust
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Kathmandu
Dela the Hooda
Polymer City Chronicals
21st Century Fox
Clan of the Cats
Kevin and Kell
Nip 'n Tuck
Jack
Dust Bunnies (sorta like watching a train wreck but it is funny at times)
Suburban Jungle
Sabrina Online
Freefall
Liberty Medows
A Doemain of Our Own
Supermegatopia
Misty the Mouse
Ozy and Millie
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Sculptor, artist and writer.
http://www.cableone.net/kathmandu
Be sure to read Salt and Foam
http://www.cableone.net/kathmandu/salt.htm
Also the author of the Sabrina Online Fanfic, The Studio: Photogenisis
http://www.cableone.net/kathmandu/studio.htm
Be sure to check out the Uncle Kat's Story Hour at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Uncle_Kats_Story_Hour/
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Atara
Get Fuzzy
Dragon Tales
Sinfest
Absurd Notions
Spellshocked
Sexy Losers
--
Atara
"Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus."
http://www.FurNation.com/Atara/
***What doesn't fit in my email addy? NADA.***
Jim Doolittle
Kevin & Kell
Suburban Jungle
FreeFall
Sluggy Freelance
Jack (a recent addition)
Every now and then, I'll check in on Sabrina Online and West Corner of
the Park. I used to read User Friendly, but it got amazingly boring for
me. And the art was pretty poor.
-Jim
--
Jim Doolittle
http://www.flayrah.com
Unusually good information
Wtcher Dragon
Kevin and Kell
Goats
Penny-Arcade
RPGworld
Adventurers
Avalon
Real Life
Elflife
Megatokyo
Ozy and Millie
Freefall
Sabrina
Elflife ================ http://www.elflife.com/
This would be my favourite story-based strip. It has some not-so-nice
moments, but the storyline is quite interesting - and the readers of it
are still guessing. :) I disapprove of some of the readership-nabbing
tactics though (re: mermaid), but otherwise, it's still fun. I like the
artwork and purchased a year subscription to his print comics.
Ozy and Millie ========= http://www.ozyandmillie.org/
This one would be my favourite day-day strip; there's not much of a
storyline here, but it's quite amusing and I enjoy the preachiness. ;) I
also enjoy the points of views present in the story. I like the artwork.
Avalon ================= http://www.avalonhigh.com/
I enjoy this strip, but I wish this guy had more free time or some such
- in the last two months, he's only put up two new strips! There was an
interesting story going on, but the momentum has been lost. As well,
unless Elflife, the story is quite a lot less unpredictable; if he gets
his act together, it'll be finished within a year. I like the artwork.
Freefall =============== http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/default.htm/
This strip I recently "discovered". It's an amusing slice-of-life strip,
mainly centering around personality-based gags. There's not much of a
storyline here, but the characters are cute and loveable. There's so
much potential here in delving into political and social issues, but it
might've been the better choice to avoid it anyway. Cute characters - I
notice the author has issues with drawing certain shapes, however - I'm
under the impression that Illustrator or Flash was used to generate the
artwork?
Sabrina ================ http://www.sabrina-online.com/
I quite enjoy this strip although it is quite loose at present. It is as
well a slice-of-life strip. A pity it doesn't appear more than once a
month. ;) However, there isn't much of a storyline here aside from the
romance, so that doesn't really hurt the comic anyway - and I suppose
the long waits only make people hungrier. :) I also like the artwork.
Kevin and Kell ========= http://www.kevinandkell.com/
I used to quite enjoy this strip. However, nowadays I'm getting a tad
annoyed - the strip does deal with life issues, however it's treating
them in a way that they've become marginalized/silly. The rabbit+wolf
marriage should be rare, yes, and it was great in the earlier days - but
now with everyone _else_ being related in some way, or also
being/contributed to the product of a mixed marriage, it isn't so fun
anymore; just repetitive and unbelieveable.
Goats ================== http://www.goats.com/
Crass; perhaps sexist. Still funny. This is the first web comic I
started reading, and I still do. The humour is off-beat and the artist
is accessible. There's always something new around the corner.
Adventurers ============ http://www.adventurers-comic.com/
Lets face it - the artwork is poor and the humour quite niche, although
it's generally easy to understand (although lets face it - how many
people haven't play console RPGs at one point?). I like how the artist
is constantly finding new stereotypes and issues in the genre to make
light of. I like how one character is half in the real world, rather
than the RPG world (not the strip, his world).
RPG World ============== http://www.rpgworldcomic.com/
I can't tell if Adventurers is a rip on RPGW or vice-versa, as they both
deal with the same issues. However, they generally manage to stay off of
eachother's toes, and RPGW has a much more definable storyline (the
gag:story balance is different from that of Adventurers) - which may
help position it out of the niche environ of the other. Amusing hero,
stupid logic, still kinda cuddly (versus just stupid and annoying ;).
Megatokyo ============== http://www.megatokyo.com/
I rather like the artwork. I didn't even realize there was a storyline
until a month ago or so. Starting to slow down, although I still look
forward to the work. I like the emotion-robot girl. Largo adds
interesting twists to situations with his 1337-d3wd personality.
Real Life ============== http://www.reallifecomics.com/
Not much to say here. Someone's exagerrated life - or how he wishes it.
;) Funny circumstance due to personality issues present in all the
characters. Each major character is heavily stereotyped. The artwork is
clean, although perhaps not so technically impressive.
Penny-Arcade =========== http://www.penny-arcade.com/
Tycho and Gabe amuse me, although they're of the gag-a-day crowd. The
authors are also quite accessible. There's not much else to say about
these two. I would like to add, however, that the furry debacle
generated some month or two ago was entirely opinion - they didn't rip
anthromorphic characters, they (or probably just he) just stated that
they didn't like them and related fandom/circumstance.
sola...@don'tmesswithtexas.net
>Kevin and Kell ========= http://www.kevinandkell.com/
>I used to quite enjoy this strip. However, nowadays I'm getting a tad
>annoyed - the strip does deal with life issues, however it's treating
>them in a way that they've become marginalized/silly. The rabbit+wolf
>marriage should be rare, yes, and it was great in the earlier days - but
>now with everyone _else_ being related in some way, or also
>being/contributed to the product of a mixed marriage, it isn't so fun
>anymore; just repetitive and unbelieveable.
I _wondered_ if anyone else besides me was starting to feel that way
about the strip... It's starting to seem as though _everyone_ in the city
of Domain is going to wind up related to the Dewclaw clan in some way if
Bill Holbrook keeps this up. (And even within the confines of
"cartoon-universe rules", this most recent story arc with Vin Vulpen
getting a tail transplant from Rudy is just _too_ damn silly to be
credible.)
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artist
said...
Under the Lemon Tree
Tales of the Questor
Ozzie and Millie
Faux Paus
Sabrina Online
PVP
It's WALKY, wigi
RPG World
Exploitation Now
Polymer City Chronicles
Alice
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"Neither hope no fear" -- Isabella d'Este
"For to do either is to fall to the beast" -- Joseph Richmond
Pegasus316
a little shameless, I think. ;)
"A Doemain Of Our Own" (http://www.doemainofourown.com)
"Blue Canary" (http://bluecanary.keenspace.com)
"Dragon Tails" (http://www.dragon-tails.com)
"Fur Will Fly" (http://furwillfly.keenspace.com)
"Furry!" (http://furry.lofty-bearing.org) ... (Okay, so I did a guest
strip for this one... ;P)
"Gaming Guardians" (http://www.gamingguardians.com)
"Gaming Guardians - PowerGamers" - An offshoot series based on the
aforementioned. ("Furry!" and these two "Gaming Guardians" series are
all written by Graveyard Greg, and all worth reading if you like
serialized action/humor comics.)
"Gaming Guardians - The Vial" - Another spin-off series. (Written and
drawn by Web Troll, artist of "Gaming Guardians" and "PowerGamers".)
"Lang Lang" (http://langlang.keenspace.com)
"House Of LSD" (http://houseoflsd.keenspace.com) - Art by J3T (of Lang
Lang) Written by her boyfriend (whose name escapes me at the moment).
"Tales From The Mynarski Forest"
(http://mynarskiforest.purrsia.com/index.html)
"The Cyantia Chronicles" (http://www.cyantian.net)
Used to read Sinfest. But, I've been falling behind on a lot of the
older comics I used to read. So, I'm keeping it to the stuff on this
list. :P The rest of my time is taken up by the comic my wife and I are
currently trying to get back online (Trials and Trivializations), plus
the comic I'm doing separately (Wandering Trials). (No links on those,
so it's technically not a plug. So, nyah.) ;)
Seeya!
Pegasus316
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
all -- I'm thinking of cutting down, and I'm pretty sure I won't be adding
more:
Cyantia Chronicles
Kevin & Kell
Lizard
Melonpool
Mudpie
Newshounds
Ozy & Millie
Pornography
Doemain of Our Own, A
Dust Bunnies
Faux Pas
FreeFall
Fur Will Fly
Furry!
Fusion D
Gene Catlow
House of LSD
Jack
Karma Medium Rare
Kit N Kay Boodle
Latex Blue
Lost & Found Investigations
Master Zen-Dao Meow
Misty the Mouse
Nip & Tuck
Roomies
Sully & Minkle
Under the Lemon Tree
11 Will Die
Coyoteville
Dramatic Paws
Good Cheese
K.Rat
Macropod Madness
Rabid
Supermegatopia
Tales of the Questor
Wandering Trials
Sabrina Online
SpellShocked
World of Vicki Fox, The
Adventures of Fifine, The
Dela the Hooda
Family
Suburban Jungle, The
Trials & Trivializations
Bad Bunny
NeverNever
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ratfinks...@aol.comNOREPLY says...
> About once a week I manage to check these -- and this is just MOST of them, not
> all -- I'm thinking of cutting down, and I'm pretty sure I won't be adding
> more:
<snip>
Ack. I thought /I/ read a lot!
Michael McGee
> mercy so I don't feel particularly put out by asking yet again for
> people's opinions on webcomics. I don't care necessarily if they're
> furry.
Gads. Too many.
A look into my Comics folder brings us:
Sluggy Freelance
Penny Arcade
Polymer City
Real Life by Greg Dean
Bruno the Bandit
Dilbert
Doonesbury (since I read all my news online, I don't get the paper - I
read these two online)
Angst Technology
Scott McCloud's Morning Improv (currently featuring a lot of monkies)
.... and I drift in and out of a few others as the fancy suits me.
That's about it. Okay, maybe it's not TOO too many
- Mike McGee
Gilchrist Studios
strip I create! Thanks for noticing.
Guy Gilchrist
http://www.mudpiecomics.com
http://yourangelsspeak.com
--
DishRoom1
> The universe that is webcomics seems to change daily and without
>mercy so I don't feel particularly put out by asking yet again for
>people's opinions on webcomics. I don't care necessarily if they're
>furry.
Currently I read these strips....
Tales of the Mynarski Forest
Shifters (a kick-ass lycanthrope web-comic book)
Furry! (Be sure to read the whole comic. Plus the "Death In The City" 2-part
text story scares the living crap of me.)
Wildfire (abeit not updated as much as it can :-p)
The adventures of Fifine (again, not updated a lot for a long time, but I can
put up with it. ^_^)
Sabrina Online
There are also Della the Hooda, which I get a glimse of occacionally. I also
used to read "Jack", which maybe I should get back to reading soon.
John Shughart
RHJunior
> I _wondered_ if anyone else besides me was starting to feel that way
> about the strip... It's starting to seem as though _everyone_ in the city
> of Domain is going to wind up related to the Dewclaw clan in some way if
> Bill Holbrook keeps this up. (And even within the confines of
> "cartoon-universe rules", this most recent story arc with Vin Vulpen
> getting a tail transplant from Rudy is just _too_ damn silly to be
> credible.)
I've noticed that that's one of the signs that a show or cartoon or what
have you has just about "jumped the shark"... when more and more characters
turn out to be related to one another...plus, when countless random weird
changes are made to the underlying strip. (I've begun worrying that I've
been tinkering too much with Nip and Tuck these days-- a lot of the main
ingredients to the plot have been seriously altered. Trying to steer clear
of the "Happy Days" syndrome as much as I can at this point.. Perhaps it's
time for the cast and plot to settle down a bit before they go spinning off
into cartoon oblivion.+)
Other signs of imminent failure:
sudden great "life changes" in the characters' lives.
An influx of new characters-- especially new "cute kid" characters. (Can we
say "Cosby Show?")
Sillier and sillier episodes... (near the end of the arc, Bo and Luke Duke
were duking it out with robot sheriffs and hiding aliens in the back seat of
the General Lee.)
Everyone marries everyone else. (the aforementioned "Happy Days" syndrome)
Michael Russell
Gilchrist Studios wrote:
>
> Well, hurray! It took a few responses but finally someone mentioned the
> strip I create! Thanks for noticing.
> Guy Gilchrist
*smile*
I like Mudpie. Got both of the Plan 9 book versions.
Yeah, it took someone posting a shopping list before my little comic
strip got mentioned, too. (The World of Vicki Fox)
I have one theory why the Vicki Fox comic isn't more popular; it is
the unfortunate situation that Laura and I can only release the
comic on a twice a month schedule. Also, I do no advertising
of the existence of the strip.
> > World of Vicki Fox, The
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http://www.VickiFox.com ........................... The World of Vicki Fox
mailto:mrus...@ix.netcom.com ...................... Vicki Fox Productions
sola...@don'tmesswithtexas.net
>I've noticed that that's one of the signs that a show or cartoon or what
>have you has just about "jumped the shark"... when more and more characters
>turn out to be related to one another...plus, when countless random weird
>changes are made to the underlying strip. (I've begun worrying that I've
>been tinkering too much with Nip and Tuck these days-- a lot of the main
>ingredients to the plot have been seriously altered. Trying to steer clear
>of the "Happy Days" syndrome as much as I can at this point.. Perhaps it's
>time for the cast and plot to settle down a bit before they go spinning off
>into cartoon oblivion.+)
I don't think you've gone too far afield with "Nip & Tuck" yet,
personally... For one thing, the changes the cast members have gone
through _aren't_ "random and weird"; they generally make sense within the
context of the strip's characters and settings.
Now when you decide to start a story arc revealing that Tagger is
actually a half-beaver, half-oppossum hybrid due to an illicit affair
between his mom and Thelma's dad, _that's_ when you should get worried. :)
Bill Holbrook
> Kevin and Kell ========= http://www.kevinandkell.com/
> I used to quite enjoy this strip. However, nowadays I'm getting a tad
> annoyed - the strip does deal with life issues, however it's treating
> them in a way that they've become marginalized/silly. The rabbit+wolf
> marriage should be rare, yes, and it was great in the earlier days - but
> now with everyone _else_ being related in some way, or also
> being/contributed to the product of a mixed marriage, it isn't so fun
> anymore; just repetitive and unbelieveable.
I'm perplexed by your criticism. What would you suggest I do?
Best,
Bill Holbrook
DishRoom1
>Sillier and sillier episodes... (near the end of the arc, Bo and Luke Duke
>were duking it out with robot sheriffs and hiding aliens in the back seat of
>the General Lee.)
LOL!!!! :-D
John Shughart
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>(I've begun worrying that I've been tinkering too much with Nip and Tuck these
days
Actually, the only thing I noticed that I'm not too sure about is the sudden
reappearance of the brother who was supposed to be away at a stunt-man school
-- just in time to help beat the heck out of a bully -- and then his equally
sudden disappearance when the fight was quelled. I suspect a plot element went
unexplained in order to keep momentum, and continuity may have suffered....
...or maybe I just got distracted by the latest batch of bills and forgot the
strips that gave the details. I'll have to check the archives.
Pegasus316
>
> Well, hurray! It took a few responses but finally someone mentioned
> the strip I create! Thanks for noticing.
> Guy Gilchrist
> http://www.mudpiecomics.com
> http://yourangelsspeak.com
Actually, I'm pretty happy to know that mine's being read, too! ;)
Here's hoping more will jump on for the ride. ;)
> > Wandering Trials
Seeya!
Pegasus316
Pegasus316
> > Trials & Trivializations
Very cool, indeed! ;)
Seeya!
Pegasus316 - Feelin' pretty good about himself right about now. ;)
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
Rechecks addresses --
"Gilchrist Studios" (gilch...@ipipe.com)
Michael Russell (mrus...@ix.netcom.com)
Bill Holbrook (BTHOL...@compuserve.com)
After all the flames and nasty comments we make to each other in this
newsgroup, YOU guys are here?
Okay then, hello to you and anyone else who may be lurking whose strip I
listed. Thanks for the effort you put into your craft.
Cerulean
> I'm perplexed by your criticism. What would you suggest I do?
I think the only advice I can give you about these reactions is to
keep in mind that not everything has to be connected together. You
seem to rely on the conspiracy-theory model of plotting a lot. Every
time you invent an ostensibly pre-existing secret that we're meant to
accept was true all these years and no one ever suspected, it
stretches the suspension of disbelief.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm in the position of trying to
remember whether Bruno is R.L.'s secret love child, or if you haven't
pulled that one out yet. I would be happy to continue to think that
he's not, and that his parents just may be two ordinary wolves whom
we've never met.
Anyhow, keep at it, I know you can take criticism gracefully because
you're a syndicated cartoonist and must be accustomed to abuse. :=}
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Wtcher Dragon
says...
> Quoth Bill Holbrook:
>
> > I'm perplexed by your criticism. What would you suggest I do?
>
> I think the only advice I can give you about these reactions is to
> keep in mind that not everything has to be connected together. You
> seem to rely on the conspiracy-theory model of plotting a lot. Every
> time you invent an ostensibly pre-existing secret that we're meant to
> accept was true all these years and no one ever suspected, it
> stretches the suspension of disbelief.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm in the position of trying to
> remember whether Bruno is R.L.'s secret love child, or if you haven't
> pulled that one out yet. I would be happy to continue to think that
> he's not, and that his parents just may be two ordinary wolves whom
> we've never met.
>
> Anyhow, keep at it, I know you can take criticism gracefully because
> you're a syndicated cartoonist and must be accustomed to abuse. :=}
*boggles*
I'll have to add another name to "accessible". *chortles*
I still enjoy your strip; I enjoy the gags, the mini-stories, the
characters. However, Cerulean has explained it far better than I ever
could - my disbelief is starting to take a toll on how I view the comic
strip. I must admit that for me, this disbelief is far more recent, and
may have something to do with the way I identify (identify, not with)
Vin. It's simply difficult for me to accept that some not-so-random fox
with whom the group enjoy many adventures with is not only the
schoolyard bully/archnemesis, but is also related - and the seeming
prevalence of such exceptional circumstance within the works has watered
down the effect for me. Reading back, I suppose I may have been a bit
harsh in my description - as I said, I still enjoy the work in general
and it's still one of the three strips I save for last when I read on a
nearly-daily basis.
I cannot really do much more than give you something to consider - the
problem with suggestions is that they tend to dilute artists'
conceptions about how things should be and they break into and down the
worlds [the people] create, twisting them instead into what people want
to see rather than what they should be. I recommend you continue along
your path without any major changes to the layout or plan; don't hold
back if you feel something needs to be there. I realize it sounds
hypocritical - "please don't do this but do whatever you want" - but I
can't think of anything else to say.
Oh, and I like the artwork. :)
Gilchrist Studios
you read MUDPIE online, not in your local newspaper.Michael, I like Vickie
Fox, and thanks for picking up the two anthologies from Plan 9. They've done
a nice job, and we're doing a lot more with them this year, as well. God
bless you all,
Guy Gilchrist
http://www.mudpiecomics.com
http://www.yourangelsspeak.com
--
RHJunior
>
> I'm perplexed by your criticism. What would you suggest I do?
>
> Best,
> Bill Holbrook
Point: that the initial plot device has been overused.
RHJunior
DishRoom1 <dish...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020607012113...@mb-mi.aol.com...
What's tragic is that I did NOT make that up!
Worse example: Family Matters (or whatever the show with Urkel was.) Lessee,
Near the end, Urkel cloned himself, beamed everyone in the family to France
over the telephone, launched himself into ANOTHER sitcom on a rocket pack,
discovered the "cool" gene, invented a robotic Urkel....
Get the picture?
RHJunior
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest. <ratfinks...@aol.comNOREPLY> wrote in
message news:20020607020144...@mb-fr.aol.com...
> >From: "RHJunior" blu...@ntelos.net
>
> >(I've begun worrying that I've been tinkering too much with Nip and Tuck
these
> days
>
> Actually, the only thing I noticed that I'm not too sure about is the
sudden
> reappearance of the brother who was supposed to be away at a stunt-man
school
> -- just in time to help beat the heck out of a bully -- and then his
equally
> sudden disappearance when the fight was quelled. I suspect a plot element
went
> unexplained in order to keep momentum, and continuity may have
suffered....
>
> ...or maybe I just got distracted by the latest batch of bills and forgot
the
> strips that gave the details. I'll have to check the archives.
He hasn't LEFT yet, actually.
Michael Russell
"Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest." wrote:
>
> (o o) *blink blink*
>
> Rechecks addresses --
>
> "Gilchrist Studios" (gilch...@ipipe.com)
> Michael Russell (mrus...@ix.netcom.com)
> Bill Holbrook (BTHOL...@compuserve.com)
>
> After all the flames and nasty comments we make to each other in this
> newsgroup, YOU guys are here?
Why not?
Sometimes, someone actually posts something of interest.
And, it is relatively easy to skip over nonsense threads, threads that
have clearly fallen into personal vendettas between the same small
number of individuals, and such. I check the newsgroup once a day
and I probably spend less than 5 minutes on it -- unless I find
something of interest and wish to respond.
I like to use the analogy of a gold miner. Think of all the useless
rock he has to dig through and sift before finding those nuggets of
gold that make the work worthwhile. At least, using the scroll bar
to skip over meaningless threads doesn't take much work. *hee hee*
Elf Sternberg
"RHJunior" <blu...@ntelos.net> writes:
>(I've begun worrying that I've been tinkering too much with Nip and
>Tuck these days-- a lot of the main ingredients to the plot have been
>seriously altered. Trying to steer clear of the "Happy Days" syndrome
>as much as I can at this point.. Perhaps it's time for the cast and
>plot to settle down a bit before they go spinning off into cartoon
>oblivion.+)
Y'know, a long life has a ton of interesting things happening
within it, and there's nothing about Nip 'n Tuck that suggests that
their life _has_ to get insane without being interesting. I think the
incident with the gas-powered grill was a bit over the top, but if you
can handle it well without treating the stunt-man shtick as an excuse to
go crazy, you'll do all right. Tuck (I think it was Tuck) got himself
an unusual job with unusually high risks: you don't need space men to
make hanging off the side of a cliff interesting or witty.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg
Disproportionately Popular Among Homosexuals.
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf/ (under construction)
Timmy Ramone
majority of "web comics": It is badly-drawn and, worse, it simply
isn't funny.
"Kevin and Kell," for all its occasional stumbles, is still funny
and well-drawn. Then again, the creator is a professional with
two other strips in syndication.
--
"Hey, ho -- let's go!" -Ramones
Timmy Ramone
not very funny. It is analagous to desktop publishing when the Mac
first appeared: Everyone now has the tools, but not everyone should
be allowed to use them. :)
About the only on-line strips I read on a regular basis are "Kevin and
Kell," "Faux Pas" and "Ozy and Millie." The rest could learn a lot
from these three strips.
Michael Russell
Timmy Ramone wrote:
>
> Nearly all web comics, "furry" or not, are simply not well-drawn and/or
> not very funny.
In a generalized sense, this is true.
However, in a specialized sense, this varies by person. If we define the
set, N(person), as the set of comics a specific person considers to be
poorly drawn or not funny. Then, it follows that your N(tim) is
not equivalent to my N(mike) or Susan's N(susan) ... and so forth.
> It is analagous to desktop publishing when the Mac
> first appeared: Everyone now has the tools, but not everyone should
> be allowed to use them. :)
I'm not sure.
There were several factors behind the font craziness and ugly
documents (from a professional writer's point-of-view) that were
everywhere in the early days of desktop publishing.
First, it was the novelty of the new technology. If it could do it,
then it must be used.
Second, it was the low cost and effort. Changing fonts in a document
took seconds. Document creation was simpler than before.
Third, it was the lack of any knowledge of how to prepare
professional looking documents and a lack of knowledge of human
factors.
How do these compare with online comics?
First, the only "new" technology is with the actual means of
publication. What the technology has done is make more comic strip
efforts visable. I don't think the internet has necessarily caused
more people to start making comic strips. For example, my partner
Laura created comic strips for her university newspaper. I created
a poorly drawn but silly comic strip when I was in Boy Scouts. Many
teens create comic strips as a form of expression. Now, with the
internet, they have a place to display those strips to a wider audience
than just their school friends.
Second, again only the delivery mechanism has changed. The effort
to create the strip is pretty much the same regardless of the
delivery approach. I'm guessing, the various artists who publish
online strips are spending several hours on each strip. There has
been no reduction in the "document creation" phase.
The third comparison, however does follow into online comics.
Many who create the online comics do not have "professional" training
(whatever that means). They are hobbiests who have a passion for telling
a story in the best way they can. So, in the third comparison which was
the level of knowledge, then that does have an equivalence with the
desktop publishing crazy days. Sort-of.
> About the only on-line strips I read on a regular basis are "Kevin and
> Kell," "Faux Pas" and "Ozy and Millie." The rest could learn a lot
> from these three strips.
Why from those strips?
There are many comic strips that can serve as a pattern for a striving
comic strip artist.
For example, Laura and I use "For Better or For Worse" and "Luann" as
a template for the Vicki Fox comic strip.
One person might like a gag-a-day style. Another might like the
serial story style. One may want to illustrate a drama or
adventure, another a comedy.
Now, as a guy who is fascinated by marketing, I would be curious to
find out the demographics of each comic strip.
Laura and I find it humourous that the Vicki Fox comic strip appears
to be very popular with early teenage girls and 20-something
Scandanavians. About 30% of the readers are from Europe. Go fig,
considering the comic is about the life of a small town southern
country girl.
Timmy Ramone
>
> Timmy Ramone wrote:
> >
> > Nearly all web comics, "furry" or not, are simply not well-drawn
> > and/or not very funny.
>
> In a generalized sense, this is true.
>
> However, in a specialized sense, this varies by person. If we define
> the set, N(person), as the set of comics a specific person considers
> to be poorly drawn or not funny. Then, it follows that your N(tim)
> is not equivalent to my N(mike) or Susan's N(susan) ... and so forth.
You must not hang out much on Yerf. :) At the very least, many of the
Yerfers seem to think they have a handle on what is or is not "art."
Granted, such a definition can be *highly* subjective at times. But
there are certain minimal standards of draftsmanship (things like
perspective, proportion, color) that apply to almost any drawing,
especially to cartoons. In that respect, most "web comics" simply
don't cut it.
> First, the only "new" technology is with the actual means of
> publication. What the technology has done is make more comic strip
> efforts visable. I don't think the internet has necessarily caused
> more people to start making comic strips.
That is exactly the point I wanted to make. However, it *has*
caused more people to start making comic strips, simply because more
people beleive they now have a huge potential audience. Bad art
that was destined to languish in obscurity in the bottom of a desk
drawer can now languish in obscurity on the Internet. :)
> Many who create the online comics do not have "professional" training
> (whatever that means). They are hobbiests who have a passion for
> telling a story in the best way they can.
And, as you can see by perusing any collection of "web comics," a
lot (if not most) of them *can't* tell a story.
> > About the only on-line strips I read on a regular basis are
> > "Kevin and Kell," "Faux Pas" and "Ozy and Millie." The rest
> > could learn a lot from these three strips.
>
> Why from those strips?
Precisely because they are (for the most part) well-drawn and
well-written. Of the three, "Ozy" is the weakest in terms of
art but, like the other two strips, it has interesting characters
and humorous situations/stories. To paraphrase legendary film
director, Akira Kurosawa, good stories and appealing charcters
will often make up for other artistic deficiencies. However, the
greatest art in the world will never save a bad script (pick up
a Marvel or DC comic if you doubt that fact).
Michael Russell
Timmy Ramone wrote:
>
> You must not hang out much on Yerf. :) At the very least, many of the
> Yerfers seem to think they have a handle on what is or is not "art."
There is a certain vocal minority that seems to want to dictate what
is "art". However, I would venture to suggest that just because a
small minority of vocal posters on a newsgroup say "this is art"
does not mean everyone else agrees with their assessment.
This brings up the ever asked and impossible to answer
question -- who is "correct" (whatever that means): the art clique
that wants to set one standard of art or the art audience that wants
to just appreciate what looks good to oneself.
To me, it is like reading the movie ratings that are published in
the calendar section of my local newspaper. It shows the audience rating
of a film. In the next column it shows the critics rating of the
film. In another column it shows the box office receipts. So,
which of those three columns "correctly" identifies the quality,
attributes, or "artsyness" of the film?
I personally think it is some mix of all three, yet also none of them.
> Granted, such a definition can be *highly* subjective at times.
... at ALL times.
Art, by its very nature, is subjective.
> there are certain minimal standards of draftsmanship (things like
> perspective, proportion, color) that apply to almost any drawing,
I know when I worked as a mechanical draftsman drawing the design
of laser system components at Litton Industries, yes, there are
standards. Very well codified standards, even, such as MIL-STD-100
and the ISO/ANSI drafting standards. The advent of AutoCAD and other
computer based systems took all the fun out of using T-square and
triangle. I still have my T-square and drafting set.
> especially to cartoons. In that respect, most "web comics" simply
> don't cut it.
I would like to know where these "standards" have been published
and what organization established them.
> That is exactly the point I wanted to make. However, it *has*
> caused more people to start making comic strips, simply because more
> people beleive they now have a huge potential audience. Bad art
I agree that the internet has probably influenced some to create a
comic strip.
My question is the degree. My guess is that less than 10% of the
online comic strip creators are doing it strictly because of the
internet. My experience, especially working with teenagers, is that
certain ones are likely to create a strip regardless of the outlet,
but the presence of the internet provides a way to show off.
My guess is that the internet and the expectation of a
regular schedule probably does more to quelch a hobby cartoonist
than inspire it. The young cartoonist gets frustrated that nobody
is reading their strip, they get upset when they don't get fan
mail about their strip, they discover how much hard work it really
is to make the strip, and so forth.
I don't have any data confirming one way or another on this matter,
so I'm only guessing. Most of my guesses are based upon working
with teenagers.
> And, as you can see by perusing any collection of "web comics," a
> lot (if not most) of them *can't* tell a story.
I definitely agree with this.
And, many have no idea about comedy either. As the old Hollywood
saying goes; "Dying is easy; comedy is hard" -- a reference that
it is far easier to write and perform dramas than it is to write
and perform comedies.
Comedy is also very regional and cultural. I love studying regional
comedy because it shows that there is a thin line of common themes
but a thick line of distinctly cultural/geographical/environmental
themes. I just got a book of cartoons and comic stories from the
Scottish Shetland Islands. The jokes are definitely regional.
Likewise, the Japanese clearly have a different taste in comedy
than Americans and likewise the British.
> Precisely because they are (for the most part) well-drawn and
> well-written.
I like and regularly read them.
I just would not set them apart as the only example or even the
best examples. I would prefer to list comics that I like in a
wide range of styles and story telling modes.
Michael Russell
Here is my list. I catch up with all the comics on Sunday afternoon.
(in no particular order)
Syndicated
----------
Animal Crackers
B.C.
Buckles
Dilbert
FoxTrot
Luann
Mother Goose & Grimm
Mudpie
9 Chickweed Lane
On the Fastrack
Safe Havens
The World of Lily Wong
Not syndicated
--------------
A Doemain of our Own
Alice Otter
Backing Out
Commander Kitty
Dela the Hooda
Faux Pas
FreeFall
Kevin & Kell
Lang Lang
Misty the Mouse
Ozy & Millie
Roomies
Sabrina Online
Sinfest
Suburban Jungle
The Mynarski Forest
The World of Vicki Fox (hey, gotta list mine! ... hee hee)
Wyldfire
Philip M. Cohen
Safe Havens, Supermegatopia. Occasionally read in big chunks when I
think of it: Adventures of Fifine, Jack, Kit 'n' Kay Boodle, Misty
Mouse, Pornography.
--
Always carry a grapefruit, Treesong
golder
"Michael Russell" <mrus...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3D00EB7A...@ix.netcom.com...
>
>
> "Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest." wrote:
> >
> > (o o) *blink blink*
> >
> > Rechecks addresses --
> >
> > "Gilchrist Studios" (gilch...@ipipe.com)
> > Michael Russell (mrus...@ix.netcom.com)
> > Bill Holbrook (BTHOL...@compuserve.com)
> >
> > After all the flames and nasty comments we make to each other in this
> > newsgroup, YOU guys are here?
>
> Why not?
> Sometimes, someone actually posts something of interest.
> And, it is relatively easy to skip over nonsense threads, threads that
> have clearly fallen into personal vendettas between the same small
> number of individuals, and such. I check the newsgroup once a day
> and I probably spend less than 5 minutes on it -- unless I find
> something of interest and wish to respond.
>
troll bait.
Oh, If you have to ask about what I'm reading:
Kell & Kell
Sinfest
Bruno the Bandit
Misty the Mouse
Sabrina Online
FreeFall
Class Manangere
Sluggy Freelance
Elf Life
Occassionally:
World of Vicky Fox
West Corner of the Park
Fefine
Suburban Jungle
And a lot of Dela The Hooda since I'm the writer and occassional inker on
the comic ;)
-Greg Older
MHPayne
Glad you asked. Here're the comics I read every day:
<A HREF="http://clanofthecats.com/">Clan of the Cats</A>
<A HREF="http://www.crfh.net">College Roomies from Hell</A>
<A HREF="http://www.herdthinners.com">Kevin & Kell</A>
<A HREF="http://www.lizardcomics.com/">Lizard</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sluggy.com">Sluggy Freelance</A>
Here's the comic I read every day but Sunday 'cause Rain doesn't do one then:
<A HREF="http://www.ozyandmillie.org">Ozy & Millie</A>
I read this comic four times a week:
<A HREF="http://www.theclassm.com/">The Class Menagerie</A>
These three times a week:
<A HREF="http://www.cultureshocked.org">C. Ulture Shocked</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ozfoxes.com/fauxpas.htm">Faux Pas</A>
<A HREF="http://www.purrsia.com/freefall">Freefall</A>
<A HREF="http://jack.keenspace.com">Jack</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rpgworldcomic.com">RPG World</A>
<A HREF="http://www.suburbanjungle.com">Suburban Jungle</A>
These once a week:
<A HREF="http://mynarskiforest.purrsia.com">Mynarski Forest</A>
<A HREF="http://well-of-souls.com/outsider">Outsider</A>
<A HREF="http://www.chimericalcomics.com/terebinth.html">Terebinth</A>
This one once a month:
<A HREF="http://sabrina-online.com">Sabrina On-Line</A>
And these I check every week or so on the off chance that they might have
posted anything new.
<A HREF="http://www.tigress.com/DP/">Dramatic Paws</A>
<A HREF="http://www.furry.org.au/fz/">Fuzzy Things</A>
<A HREF="http://grootlore.com">Grootlore</A>
<A HREF="http://home.attbi.com/~mprints/wfire.html">Wyldfire</A>
One of them I do myself, so I don't suppose I should count it, but, well, I do
read it...
Mike Payne
DishRoom1
I wrote --
>> RHJunior wrote --
>>
>> >Sillier and sillier episodes... (near the end of the arc, Bo and Luke
>Duke
>> >were duking it out with robot sheriffs and hiding aliens in the back seat
>of
>> >the General Lee.)
>>
>> LOL!!!! :-D
>>
>> John Shughart
>
>What's tragic is that I did NOT make that up!
I know. It's just that I thought bad things on TV like that deserved to be
rebuked or laughed at.
>
>Worse example: Family Matters (or whatever the show with Urkel was.) Lessee,
>Near the end, Urkel cloned himself, beamed everyone in the family to France
>over the telephone, launched himself into ANOTHER sitcom on a rocket pack,
>discovered the "cool" gene, invented a robotic Urkel....
>Get the picture?
>
You were correct; it was "Family Manners". You forgot the time Urkel and the
father were shrunked, which was on the last episode I ever saw of that show.
Funny how a sitcom gets so "Fish-out-of-water" type
Anyway, There was this talk of "Happy Days". I remember that show; it began as
an 1950s "American Graffitii" nalgastia theme with Richard Cummingham as the
central character. But then Fonzmania struck, with Fonz taking the spotlight
away from Rich and then the show got our of sync further down the road.
John Shughart
LancerAdvancd iBuck
>as
>an 1950s "American Graffitii" nalgastia theme with Richard Cummingham as the
>central character. But then Fonzmania struck, with Fonz taking the spotlight
>away from Rich and then the show got our of sync further down the road.
The term "Jumping the Shark" for when a show turns downhill, comes from
"Happy Days", from an episode where Fonzie jumps a shark on waterskis...
iBuck
Homepage at http://lanceradvanced.com/Furry
"You can have it these ways :Fancy,Correct,Quickly- Pick 2"
DishRoom1
I wrote --
(About "Happy Days")
(The Fonz hogged the spotlight)
>> away from Rich and then the show got our of sync further down the road.
>You left out the minor bit that Mork (from Ork) originated on Happy
>Days. The subsequent Mork & Mindy series seems to have shifted to a later
>period in time (like 1.5 decades?)
Yeah, also on "Happy Days" Mork was imaginary and was appeared in a dream Rich
had. But in his own sitcom, Mork and his world of Ork was very real.
As a kid I enjoyed the sitcom, but then came along this three-parter or so
story of Mork meeting a Neptune-originated alien, which at times serious and at
one point scary, but still some usual funny stuff. I never was able to watch
what happened past after Mork, Mindy and the Neptunian traveled back in time to
the prehistoric age, sadly. :-p
John Shughart
Ronald D Bauerle
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
>Date: 2002-06-07 10:22:15 PST
>Tuck (I think it was Tuck)
The handy mnemonic I've come up with is that Tuck is with Thelma :^)
Ron, agrees with the "jumping the shark" comments about K&K :^(
Blackberry
>
>On 09 Jun 2002 06:12:23 GMT, dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) (DishRoom1) left
>the following spoor in alt.fan.furry:
>
>> away from Rich and then the show got our of sync further down the road.
>>
>Days. The subsequent Mork & Mindy series seems to have shifted to a later
>period in time (like 1.5 decades?)
Laverne & Shirley suddenly transported to the 1980s when they moved to L.A. too.
--
I believe in everything, nothing is sacred.
I believe in nothing, everything is sacred.
- from "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" by Tom Robbins
Thomas K. Dye
I admit these are good strips. However, considering I work very hard
on my comic, and try to be as painstaking as possible on keeping up as
high a quality as I can, I want to know why it doesn't fit in with
these strips.
Newshounds. http://www.newshounds.com. David Simpson himself said
it's very underrated, and I don't mind being shallow in quoting him
thus, because I know he won't mind.
Someone say something. (If I get a message saying "something" I'll
give up.)
Thomas K. Dye
Neil Robertson
>Newshounds. http://www.newshounds.com. David Simpson himself said
>it's very underrated, and I don't mind being shallow in quoting him
>thus, because I know he won't mind.
>
>Someone say something. (If I get a message saying "something" I'll
>give up.)
I discovered Newshounds through a customer at my comics shop. He's a big fan
of the series and he loaned me a copy of the first Newshounds collection that
he'd ordered directly from Thomas (Peejster says 'Hi', Thomas). I read it and,
although I found the art to be rather stiff, I was won over by the characters
and storylines. I like that both liberals and conservatives are given equal
treatment without being watered down. The pets are distinctive and
consistently funny. It's one of my favorite webstrips.
-- Neil Robertson
Beans 'n' Hay, "NEW HORIZONS" from Shanda Fantasy Arts
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4.ever> wrote in message
>> About the only on-line strips I read on a regular basis are "Kevin and
>> Kell," "Faux Pas" and "Ozy and Millie." The rest could learn a lot
>> from these three strips.
>
>I admit these are good strips. However, considering I work very hard
>on my comic, and try to be as painstaking as possible on keeping up as
>high a quality as I can, I want to know why it doesn't fit in with
>these strips.
Don't ask me, I DO read your strip as well as the other three listed. Since
this is the opinion of Timmy in particular, maybe you should try asking him
directly?
My only guess is that he may prefer very gentle, pun or "skewed viewpoint" type
of humor instead of the adventure serial approach you use.
Then again, I'm not him. If I were right, then Freefall would qualify as a part
of his list as well, but he didn't mention it.
(Just for the hell of it, here's the webpage address for Thomas' strip for
those who didn't take a look last time:)
>Newshounds. http://www.newshounds.com.
Bill Holbrook
> Someone say something.
"Newhounds" is great!
Best,
Bill Holbrook
David J Rust
BTHOL...@compuserve.com wrote on 6/12/02 8:12 AM:
> "Newhounds" is great!
>
> Best,
> Bill Holbrook
Bill's right. Of course, though, "On The Fasttrack", while not furry, is
another gem!
Still, if its furry you want, check out "Ozzy and Millie" or "Over The
Hedge".
Yours,
Dave Rust
Timmy Ramone
>
> You left out the minor bit that Mork (from Ork) originated
> on Happy Days. The subsequent Mork & Mindy series seems to have
> shifted to a later period in time (like 1.5 decades?)
...And HAPPY DAYS had its debut as a segment of the anthology comedy
series, LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE (whose theme was sung by The Cowsills,
the musical family whom THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY were modeled after --
connections, connections...). As the series progressed, the original
1950's timeframe became less relevant it seems. Another HAPPY DAYS
spin-off, LAVERNE AND SHIRLEY, also started out in the 50's, in New
York, but seemed to time-warp into the late-70's/early-80's when
the couple moved to L.A.
Getting back to Mork... Since he was an alien one assumes he, too,
could do a little time-travel (or maybe he just hibernated in the
giant egg of his until the 1980's). Robert Carspecken used to live
near Boulder and he tells me he knows exactly where the "Mork and
Mindy" house is. And if you're ever in Minneapolis, I can show you
the buildings used for exterior shots of WJN-TV and the exact spot
where Mary Tyler Moore tossed her cap into the air. :)
--
"Hey, ho -- let's go!" -Ramones
Timmy Ramone
liked and why I liked them. The three strips I cited are just
examples -- perhaps the best examples I know; certainly they were
the first that came to mind -- but they're not the only examples.
If I didn't mention a particular strip, that doesn't necessarily
mean I don't like it.
Besides, some of the webcomics I regard as among the worst still
have their fans/readers.
--
"Hey, ho -- let's go!" -Ramones
Thomas K. Dye
> >From: kpet...@hotmail.com (Thomas K. Dye)
>
> >Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4.ever> wrote in message
>
> >> About the only on-line strips I read on a regular basis are "Kevin and
> >> Kell," "Faux Pas" and "Ozy and Millie." The rest could learn a lot
> >> from these three strips.
> >
> >I admit these are good strips. However, considering I work very hard
> >on my comic, and try to be as painstaking as possible on keeping up as
> >high a quality as I can, I want to know why it doesn't fit in with
> >these strips.
>
> Don't ask me, I DO read your strip as well as the other three listed. Since
> this is the opinion of Timmy in particular, maybe you should try asking him
> directly?
>
at other people's lists and they might list 20 comics and mine wasn't
among them. I definitely appreciate your reading and mentioning the
strip big time! :)
> My only guess is that he may prefer very gentle, pun or "skewed viewpoint" type
> of humor instead of the adventure serial approach you use.
>
I just need to know. I'm in this weird position -- it's on very few
people's favorite lists, and yet it's apparently not bad enough for
PoE. And yet I've got too much ego to believe that it's mediocre. ;)
I agree with some statements that I've gotten about the art, though
-- I'm still working on it, but I think I've made some vast strides
since 1997. Believe me, I've seen some noncommittal web artists, and
I'm not one of them. I'm passionate about what I create, and I'm also
a perfectionist when it comes to the writing.
Anyway, sorry about my flatus, and I want to thank those of you who
ARE reading it. I'm not taking your readership lightly. Just ask my
friends. :)
Thomas
Thomas K. Dye
> of the series and he loaned me a copy of the first Newshounds collection that
> he'd ordered directly from Thomas (Peejster says 'Hi', Thomas). I read it and,
> although I found the art to be rather stiff, I was won over by the characters
> and storylines. I like that both liberals and conservatives are given equal
> treatment without being watered down. The pets are distinctive and
> consistently funny. It's one of my favorite webstrips.
>
> -- Neil Robertson
> Beans 'n' Hay, "NEW HORIZONS" from Shanda Fantasy Arts
Thanks very much. I agree with you about the artwork. I'm plugging
at it every day, and I think I've made some good strides since 1997.
I hope that others like you enjoy the writing and the characterization
as well, because it's something I'm pretty passionate about
perfecting. (Like my alliteration?) ;)
I appreciate everyone's feedback. It helps me know where to improve.
:)
Thomas
M. Mitchell Marmel
kpet...@hotmail.com (Thomas K. Dye) wrote:
> Newshounds. http://www.newshounds.com. David Simpson himself said
> it's very underrated, and I don't mind being shallow in quoting him
> thus, because I know he won't mind.
>
> Someone say something. (If I get a message saying "something" I'll
> give up.)
I vaguely remember following Newshounds briefly around the time Renata
got a nosejob, but then dropping it again.
See, I have this weird thing about webcomics: If I follow one, I gotta
follow it from Day One. This means if I come in late, I feel I hafta go
to the beginning and follow it from scratch.
So, at the time I didn't have time to spare to go back through hundreds
of Newshounds eps.
I have an afternoon free, though, so I think I'll give it a shot...
1997, here I come!
-MMM-
M. Mitchell Marmel
wrote:
> And if you're ever in Minneapolis, I can show you
> the buildings used for exterior shots of WJN-TV and the exact spot
> where Mary Tyler Moore tossed her cap into the air. :)
Don't they have a statue in that spot of MTM doing that?
-MMM-
Richard Alger
ready for prime time". It's just something that someone really wanted to
do. OK, so the artwork can be rough, and the stories kind of vague, but
does everything have to be slick, and professional? In an era where
giant multi-national corporations are jamming their coldly calculated
entertainment for profit down our throats, it's nice to see something
done "just for fun".
Rick Alger
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Timmy Ramone
Yes, they unveiled it last month. You can (sort of) see it, here:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/08/mtm.cnna/
(I haven't seen it yet, but I imagine that her hat, cast in bronze,
floats unsupported above the head of the statue in defiance of known
laws of gravity and motion -- because it is "artistically correct,"
of course. :) )