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Ross Smith

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This newsgroup is getting a bit too serious for my taste at the moment
(am I the only one who sees something inherently silly in the idea of
furry fandom taking itself seriously?). In the interests of promoting
humour, fun, Silly Threads, and nothing remotely resembling reality, I
now present for your edification and amusement...

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The Code of the Furries
Version 1.0

Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> 23-Jun-96

In the spirit of Robert Hayden's Geek Code
<http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/geek.html>, Peter Caffin's Goth
Code <http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au:80/~ptcaffin/gothc.htm>, Jayne Alexander
and Dave Ratcliffe's Cat Code
<http://www.microserve.net/~dave/catcodes.html>, and other similar codes
that have cropped up all over Usenet, I thought it was time us furries had
a code of our own. (Or, to put it another way, it's Sunday afternoon, I've
read all my Usenet news, it's too wet to go to the zoo, and I've got
nothing intelligent to do.)

As with all such codes, the idea is to produce a series of compact symbols
that (a) communicates our essential characteristics to other members of our
subculture, and (b) looks really cool.

Anyone who has any suggestions for changes, enhancements, and other
improvements is invited to email me. (Suggestions of "Get a life!" will be
cheerfully ignored.) If you want to put this up on a Web site, feel free
(email me for the HTML version if you're reading this in plain ASCII on
Usenet). This document is copyright 1996 by Ross Smith, and may be freely
distributed over the Internet; ask me if you want to distribute it in any
other form.

Your Furry Code consists of a series of letter, number, and symbol codes,
each describing you in some category. Go through the Furry Code list, work
out which code in each category best describes you, and list them. Don't
worry if the description of a particular code doesn't match you exactly;
just pick the one that comes closest.

Each code consists of a prefix (a letter that indicates which category
we're talking about) and a suffix (one or more characters that indicate
where you place yourself in the category).

Contents

* General modifiers
* Part 1: Your furry side
o F -- Furry species
o A -- Art
o C -- Conventions
o H -- Hugs
o M -- Mucking and mudding
o Z -- Zines
o S -- Furry sex
* Part 2: Your human side
o RL -- What you do in Real Life
o c -- Computers
o d -- DOOM!
o i -- Internet
o a -- Age
o e -- Education
o h -- Housing
o p -- Pets
o s -- Human sex
* Example

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General modifiers

These symbols can be attached to any of the standard codes, to indicate
some unusual or uncertain factor.

* ? : Indicates that you haven't decided where you fall in the category,
or that you have no opinion one way or another. This replaces the
normal suffix. Example: If you haven't decided what species your furry
persona is, you would use F?.
* ~ : Indicates an approximation. You normally fit the given code, but
it varies from time to time, or you're not completely sure. Placed
between prefix and suffix, or sometimes between parts of the suffix.
Example: If you haven't quite decided what species your furry persona
is, but are leaning towards being a fox, you might use F~Cf. If you're
sure you're some sort of canine, but not quite sure you're
specifically a fox, you might use FC~f.
* / : Indicates that you fit into more than one type. This means two or
three specific types, perhaps varying depending on your mood, not
uncertainty over a wide range of types. Placed between the two
suffixes. Example: If you're sometimes a fox and sometimes a lynx, you
would use FCf/Fx (or FFx/Cf, depending on which one you think is
dominant).
* ! : Indicates a positive refusal to participate in this category.
Unlike ?, which means you haven't made up your mind yet, ! means you
have made up your mind that you want nothing to do with this subject,
for or against it. Placed before the code. Example: !F means "I don't
have a furry persona" (unlike F?, which means "I haven't decided what
species I am").
* > : Indicates that you currently fit one code, but hope to move to
another in the future. Placed between two suffixes. Example: A+>+++
means you're currently a so-so artist but plan (well, hope) to get
much better in future.
* $ : Indicates that you actually make money in Real Life out of this.
It doesn't have to be your primary day job, just a source of
significant income. Placed after the suffix. Example: A professional
artist might use the code A++++$.
* # : Indicates that you prefer to keep this information to yourself.
This replaces the normal suffix. Example: sm# means "I'm male but it's
none of your business what my sex life is like", while s# means "I'm
not even telling you which sex I am".

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Part 1: Your furry side

F -- Furry species

This code indicates what species your furry persona is. You can indicate
your exact species, or just a general type if your personal furry doesn't
fit into a particular species.

There's a subtle difference between using "generic" codes and using the ?
modifier. For example, FC means you're a canine, but don't fit one of the
known species, while FC? means you haven't decided which specific type of
canine you are. Similarly, F? means you don't know what kind of furry you
are, while FG means you do have a definite shape, but it's just a kind of
"generic furry", not any particular species.

Obviously the list of species here can only cover some of the more common
ones. If you don't fit any of these, put the name of your species in square
brackets after your code (e.g. FP[kinkajou]). Let me know if you think some
species not listed here is sufficiently common in Furrydom to deserve its
own code.

* FA : Avians
o FAa : Albatross
o FAe : Eagle
o FAf : Falcon
o FAg : Seagull
o FAh : Hawk
o FAk : Kiwi
o FAs : Sparrow
* FB : Chiroptera (bat family)
o FBf : Flying fox or fruit bat
o FBv : Vampire bat
* FC : Canidae (dog family)
o FCa : Arctic fox
o FCc : Coyote
o FCd : Dingo
o FCf : Fox
o FCj : Jackal
o FCm : Domestic mutt
o FCw : Wolf
* FD : Dragons, dinosaurs, and other reptiles
o FDa : Alligator or crocodile
o FDc : Coelurosaur (velociraptor etc)
o FDd : Dragon
o FDk : Carnosaur (tyrannosaur etc)
o FDl : Lizard
o FDs : Snake
o FDt : Tortoise or turtle
* FE : Equidae (horse family)
o FEd : Donkey
o FEh : Horse
o FEz : Zebra
* FF : Felidae (cat family)
o FFb : Bobcat
o FFc : Clouded leopard
o FFd : Domestic cat
o FFh : Cheetah
o FFj : Jaguar
o FFl : Lion
o FFm : Puma/cougar/mountain lion
o FFo : Ocelot
o FFp : Leopard/panther
o FFs : Snow leopard
o FFt : Tiger
o FFv : Serval
o FFw : Wild cat
o FFx : Lynx
* FG : Generic furry
* FH : Herpestidae (mongoose family)
o FHk : Meerkat
o FHm : Mongoose
* FI : Insectivora
o FIh : Hedgehog
o FIm : Mole
* FK : Marsupialia
o FKb : Wombat
o FKk : Kangaroo
o FKp : Possum
o FKt : Tasmanian devil
o FKw : Wallaby
* FL : Lagomorpha (rabbit family)
o FLh : Hare
o FLr : Rabbit
* FM : Mustelidae (weasel family)
o FMa : Sable
o FMb : Badger
o FMe : Ermine/stoat
o FMf : Ferret
o FMk : Mink
o FMm : Marten
o FMo : Otter
o FMs : Skunk
o FMv : Wolverine
o FMw : Weasel
* FP : Procyonidae (raccoon family)
o FPr : Raccoon
* FQ : Pinnipedia (seal family)
o FQl : Sea lion
o FQs : Seal
* FR : Rodentia
o FRb : Beaver
o FRm : Mouse
o FRp : Porcupine
o FRr : Rat
o FRs : Squirrel
* FT : Centaurs
o FTh : Common (horse-human) centaur
o FTz : Zebra-centaur
* FU : Ursidae (bear family)
o FUa : Polar bear
o FUb : Black bear
o FUg : Grizzly bear/brown bear/Kodiak bear
o FUp : Giant panda
* FX : Other mythical creatures
o FXg : Gryphon
o FXm : Mermaid/merman
* FY : Hyaenidae (hyena family)
o FYh : Hyena
* FZ : Polymorph (you change shape at will, with no "normal" shape)

After identifying your basic furry species, one or more modifiers may be
added to indicate variations on the theme:

* a : Animal (i.e. animal-shaped as opposed to anthropomorphic)
* c : Cyborg
* h : Were-human
* m : Magical powers (other than those covered by other codes)
* p : Polymorph (the given species is your normal form, but you can
change shape)
* s : Psychic powers
* t : Taur (see below)
* u : Unicorn
* w : Winged (if the species is not normally winged)

For the purposes of the Furry Code, a "taur" is a variation on the animal
theme, while a "centaur" is half-human, half-animal (and is counted as a
species in its own right). If you have the upper body of a human and the
lower body of a zebra, you're a zebra-centaur and your code is FTz, while
if you look like a zebra all over, but with four legs and two arms, you're
a zebra-taur and your code is FEzt.

A -- Art

Most furry fans try their paw at furry artwork sooner or later.

* A++++ : Art is my life
* A+++ : My art appears regularly in zines and elsewhere, and people ask
me to contribute to their sketchbooks
* A++ : I have pictures in reasonably well-known zines and/or on Avatar
* A+ : I draw regularly, and someone once said something that could
possibly be construed as a compliment
* A : I've shown one or two of my pictures to others, and they didn't
actually throw up
* A- : Tried a few sketches in the privacy of my own home
* A-- : Never tried
* A--- : Never tried, never will

C -- Conventions

How often do you go to/get involved in/get thrown out of furry conventions?
(Note: this category refers specifically to furry cons, not to SF-related
cons in general.)

* C+++ : Been to lots of cons, organised at least one
* C++ : I'm a regular con-goer, and I've occasionally lent a paw
* C+ : I've been to several, and plan to go to many more
* C : I've been to one
* C- : Never been to one, but may do so in future
* C-- : Not interested
* C--- : I wouldn't go near one of those places if you paid me
* C* : Haven't been to a furry con, but I have been to an SF con
* C** : Haven't been to a furry con, but I've helped organise an SF con

H -- Hugs

A popular activity among furries when they gather, although not to
everyone's taste.

* H+++ : If it moves, I'll hug it (if it doesn't move, I'll hug it until
it moves)
* H++ : I'll hug anyone I know, given a faint excuse
* H+ : I'll accept hugs, and maybe even give the occasional one
* H : Well, OK, you can hug me if you really want to
* H- : Please don't, unless we know each other very well
* H-- : No way
* H--- : Argh! Don't touch me, you pervert!

M -- Mucking and mudding

Use this code to indicate how deeply involved you are in online multi-user
universes such as FurryMuck.

* M++++ : I'm a Wizard, tremble before my might!
* M+++ : Someday I may get around to trying Real Life, but it's not high
on my agenda
* M++ : I've got characters on several MU*s, and frequently get
frustrated when commands don't work in RL
* M+ : I'm a regular on at least one furry MU*
* M : Tried them once or twice, may do it again sometime
* M- : Never been able to dredge up enough interest to try it
* M-- : Those things are for weenies
* M--- : You guys are pathetic, get a life!

Z -- Zines

Use this code to indicate how deeply involved you are in the furry fanzine
and comic scene.

* Z++++ : Publisher/editor/other staff member on a professional
furry-related publication (this should have the $ modifier)
* Z+++ : I work on a regularly-published amateur zine, or I'm a
frequently-published author/artist
* Z++ : I've been published, or directly involved in a publication, at
least once
* Z+ : I have a good collection, and buy at least one title regularly
* Z : I have a few furry zines
* Z- : Not really interested
* Z-- : Comics are for kids

S -- Furry sex

Like it or not, s*x seems to be part of furry life. Use this code, if you
wish, to indicate the sex (and sex life) of your furry persona. Feel free
to use the # ("mind your own business") or ! ("nothing to do with me")
modifiers if you prefer.

First, indicate which sex your furry persona is:

* Sf : Female
* Sh : Hermaphrodite
* Sm : Male
* Sp : Polymorph (can change sex at will)

Then add a modifier to indicate what your furry persona's sex life is like:

* S+++ : What do you mean there are other things to do?
* S++ : Ready, willing, and able
* S+ : I've had TinySex
* S : Never had TinySex, but wouldn't rule it out
* S- : Celibate
* S-- : You people are sick!

(For example, Sm+ would indicate a male furry who has had TinySex at least
once.)

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Part 2: Your human side

RL -- What you do in Real Life

Unfortunately, we can't yet be furries in Real Life (you know -- that
boring game you play when the computer's down and there's nothing on TV),
so we have to find something else to do. This code indicates what you do
for a living, or what you're studying to do for a living, or what you do to
avoid living.

(The $ modifier shouldn't be used here, since it's taken for granted that
this represents your day job, or the nearest thing you have to one.)

* RLA : Art
* RLBM : Business/management
* RLC : Craft
* RLCI : Construction industry
* RLCT : Computers/information technology
* RLET : Education/teaching
* RLE : Engineering
* RLF : Farming
* RLFB : Finance/banking
* RLGP : Government/public service
* RLL : Law
* RLLW : Literature/writing
* RLMC : Media/communications
* RLMH : Medicine (human)
* RLMA : Military/armed forces
* RLM : Music
* RLRB : Retail business
* RLS : Science
* RLTH : Theatre
* RLTI : Transport industry
* RLVM : Veterinary medicine

A few special cases:

* RLAT : I'm a furry of all trades ("Specialisation is for insects!" --
Robert Heinlein)
* RLU : Undecided (generally used by young students who haven't picked a
major yet)
* RL- : No qualifications, no job, no complaints!

c -- Computers

Since you're probably reading this on a computer screen, there's a good
chance you have some familiarity with the technology. Use this code to tell
us how much of a Computer Geek you are.

* c++++ : I'll be first in line to get a cybernetic interface installed
in my skull!
* c+++ : Hey, if there was anything else to life, there'd be a newsgroup
about it
* c++ : Computers are a large part of my life; I spend a chunk of every
day in front of one; I've tried my hand at programming
* c+ : Computers are fun; I can use some of my software without
resorting to the manual; I play a mean game of [favourite game]
* c : Computers are just a tool; I use one when it serves my purpose
* c- : I'm nervous of anything more complicated than my microwave
* c-- : Where's the "on" switch? Better yet, where's the "off" switch?
* c--- : They're taking over the world! Smash the machines! Up the
Luddites!

If your rating is at least c, add one or more of the following letters
(just after the c) to indicate your preferred operating environment:

* a : Amiga
* b : BSD Unix
* d : MS-DOS
* l : Linux
* m : Macintosh
* n : Windows 95/NT
* o : OS/2
* u : Unix (commercial)
* v : VMS
* w : Windows 3.x

d -- DOOM!

Doom and related games (Dark Forces, Duke Nukem 3D, Heretic, Hexen, etc)
seem to be at least as hugely popular among furries as they are among the
population at large. What is it about running around with heavy-calibre
weaponry shooting the shit out of everything in sight that appeals to us?
Or does that question answer itself?

* d++++ : I work for ID, bow down before me
* d+++ : I can solve every level in Nightmare mode with my eyes shut; I
crank out new WAD files daily
* d++ : I've got pretty good at it; I can get through most levels
easily; I've downloaded and played other WADs
* d+ : It's a fun, action game that is a nice diversion on a lazy
afternoon
* d : I've played the game and I'm pretty indifferent
* d- : I've played the game and really didn't think it was all that
impressive
* d-- : I miss Zork
* d--- : All this violence is sickening; there ought to be a law

i -- Internet

The Internet, and its various sub-media and related media (Usenet, email,
World-Wide Web, MUCKs and MUDs, IRC, FTP sites, and gods know what else),
has quickly become a leading medium of communication among furries (not to
mention the rest of the technologically aware universe). How deeply have
you dived in?

* i+++ : I'm a Webmaster/site sysadmin
* i++ : I spend most of my spare time surfing the Web, and read any
newsgroup that catches my interest
* i+ : I browse the Web regularly, and read a handful of newgroups
* i : I have a browser and a connection, and even use them occasionally
* i- : Not connected yet
* i-- : The Internet sucks; it's all just a flash in the pan anyway
* i--- : The Internet is a dangerous, subversive, perverted abomination
that needs to be banned before people stop voting for me!

a -- Age

So, how long have you been a human being? ("Three foot six!")

* a++++ : 60+ years
* a+++ : 50-59 years
* a++ : 40-49 years
* a+ : 30-39 years
* a : 20-29 years
* a- : 10-19 years
* a-- : Under 10 years

If you prefer, you can use a number to indicate your exact age rather than
using one of the approximate codes. Example: If you're 30, you could use a+
or a30 (or a#, of course).

e -- Education

How far have you managed to crawl up the academic ladder?

* e++++ : Doctorate, or the equivalent
* e+++ : Master's degree, or the equivalent
* e++ : Bachelor's degree, or the equivalent
* e+ : Some tertiary education
* e : Finished high school
* e- : Haven't finished high school
* e-- : Haven't started high school
* e* : Learned everything there is to know about life from The
Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, my collection of Omaha comics, and
late-night reruns of Star Trek and The Prisoner
* e** : Graduate degree from the School of Hard Knocks

h -- Housing

What sort of home do you live in?

* h++++ : Married ... with children
* h+++ : Married, or shacked up with your SO on a long-term basis
* h++ : Living with one or more fellow furries
* h+ : Living with one or more people who know nothing about furriness
* h : Living alone, other furries come to visit
* h- : Living alone, get out once a week to buy food, all surfaces
covered in computers and/or zines
* h-- : Living in a cave with 47 computers and an Internet feed
* h* : I'm still stuck living with my parents
* h** : I'm not sure where I live any more; my workplace/lab seems like
home to me
* h*** : Homeless

p -- Pets

If we can't be furries in Real Life (yet), at least we can do the next best
thing and cohabit with them.

* p+++ : I have a vast household of assorted furry/scaly/feathery
creatures, and my life is organised for their benefit
* p++ : Several pets
* p+ : Two or three conventional pets (cats, dogs, etc), or one fairly
exotic one
* p : One pet of a fairly conventional type (cat, dog, etc)
* p- : No pets currently, but I may enrich my life in the future
* p-- : I don't have any pets; my lifestyle/household/schedule is
complicated enough already
* p--- : I wouldn't have the things in the house [are you sure you're a
furry?]
* p* : I'd like to have pets, but my landlord/parents won't allow them
* p** : Sorry, I'm allergic to animals

s -- Human sex

Use this code, if you wish, to describe the sex (and sex life) of your
human persona. As with the furry sex code, you should feel free to use the
# ("mind your own business") or ! ("nothing to do with me") modifiers if
you prefer.

First, which sex are you?

* sf : Female
* sm : Male

If you wish to reveal any details of your sex life, use one of these codes:

* s+++ : There's more to life? Where is it, and what equipment do you
need?
* s++ : I was once referred to as "easy", but I have no idea where that
might have come from
* s+ : I've had real, live sex
* s : I've had sex ... oh, you mean with someone else?
* s- : Not having sex by choice
* s-- : Not having sex because I can't get any
* s--- : Not having sex because I'm a nun/priest
* s* : I'm married, so I can get it whenever I want (well, that's the
theory, anyway)
* s** : I have a few little rug rats to prove I've been there (but with
kids around, who has time for sex?)

(For example, sm+ would indicate a male human who has had sex at least
once.)

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Example

And here, as a demonstration, is my own Furry Code...

Furry Code 1.0
FCwct A+>++ C** H M- Z Sm# RLCT cno++++$ d++ i+++$ a+ e++ h- p-- sm#

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Ross Smith ........................................ Wellington, New Zealand
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"I keep my ear very close to the ground, and in consequence I listen to a
lot of dog crap." -- Alexei Sayle

Lenester Taxidean

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Suggested additions/modifications to the species list:

FCt: Tanuki

FKk: Koala

FMb: Eurasian badger
FMt: N. American badger
FMr: Ratel (honeybadger)

FV: Viverridae
FVc: Civet
FVm: Mongoose

Also, the dragon/dinosaur/reptile category is a joke. Not all dragons
are reptilian, and dinosaurs simply aren't. Someone else will have to
re-do those, tho. :>

This is a great start, and something we've needed to be Cool On Usenet
for quite a while. :>

Also, for those with multiple characters, parentheses and the |
character might be handy to signify differences between the
characters.

I propose The Code of the Furries v1.01, with the modifications above.

Oh, and thanks to you, I'm gonna need to start using a .sig file!

Lenester Taxidean
li...@asis.com
http://asis.com/~liefc/

-
TCotF 1.01
FM(ts|rm) A+>+++ C>+ H/+ M+++ Z>+ S(M+|F++)
RLCT- co+++ d+/-- i++>+++ a e/* h>-- p*>++ sm


Farthing W. Fox

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In article <31CFC7...@netlink.co.nz>, Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> writes:

Ross> This newsgroup is getting a bit too serious for my taste at the
Ross> moment (am I the only one who sees something inherently silly in
Ross> the idea of furry fandom taking itself seriously?). In the
Ross> interests of promoting humour, fun, Silly Threads, and nothing
Ross> remotely resembling reality, I now present for your edification
Ross> and amusement...

Ross> The Code of the Furries Version 1.0

Ross,

Way kewl idea... and I think it's quite a way overdue too.
Though, I think that for my own code, it falls apart in a few places
(particularly with regards to the job I just started)

Ah well - here's mine for the record. Hope it catches on *grin*

Furry Code 1.0
FCf A- C+ H+ M++ Z+ Sm# RLCT cu++$/cb++$/cl++/cd++ d+ i+++$ a e?
h*>h+>h++ p sm#

--
F W Fox
f...@vulpes.dircon.co.uk


Josh Carpman

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In article <31CFC7...@netlink.co.nz>,

Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:
>This newsgroup is getting a bit too serious for my taste at the moment
>(am I the only one who sees something inherently silly in the idea of
>furry fandom taking itself seriously?). In the interests of promoting
>humour, fun, Silly Threads, and nothing remotely resembling reality, I
>now present for your edification and amusement...
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The Code of the Furries
> Version 1.0
>
> Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> 23-Jun-96

Hmm... I think I like it :)

>that have cropped up all over Usenet, I thought it was time us furries had
>a code of our own. (Or, to put it another way, it's Sunday afternoon, I've
>read all my Usenet news, it's too wet to go to the zoo, and I've got
>nothing intelligent to do.)

Oh, here I must protest. Rainy Sunday afternoons are _the_ best days to
go to the zoo. At least here in Houston. During the summer, the only time
the temperature dips below 70 degrees, day or night, is when it rains.
Therefore, all the fur-bearin' critters in the zoo (especially the
snowmeows) become a little more bouncy. Also, as an extra added bonus,
children are few and far between. So rainy day = happy animals + no kids.

All right, enough of that. Lessee if I can come up with a code.

FPr A++>+++ C H- M+ Z+ Sm+ RLE cd+ d+ i+ a24 e++ h+++ p- sm*

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Josh Carpman | Atheist / Furry / Artist / Foxboro Engineer
Paracelsus on FurryMUCK | Rice University BSChE '94
rac...@neosoft.com | *** DARE TO BE TRUE *** M.A. '90
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Matthew Philip Clark

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In article <31D1E4...@sisna.com>, Captain Packrat
<captp...@sisna.com> wrote:

> Dean Ridgway wrote:

> > B++ : Animaloid, same as B+, but normally walks quadrapedally (sp?).
> > B+ : Animaloid, with animal paws, claws, head, tail & fur (basically a
> > bipedal normal animal).

> What about a species that can walk both bipedally and quadrapedally?
> (i.e. runs/climbs on all fours, but walks upright)

Then how about B++/+ like the species classification?

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Furry Code 1.0
FCfm/Lrm A+>++ C- H M Z+ Sm RLCT cdlmnw++++ d++ i+>+++ a19 e+>++ h*/** p+>+++ s-- ;>

Daniel R. Reitman

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In article <4qpig9$r...@news.wco.com>,

li...@asis.com (Lenester Taxidean) wrote:
>Suggested additions/modifications to the species list:

>FCt: Tanuki
>FKk: Koala
>FMb: Eurasian badger
>FMt: N. American badger
>FMr: Ratel (honeybadger)
>FV: Viverridae
>FVc: Civet
>FVm: Mongoose

>. . . .

Spotty hoots, "You forgot FAo -- Owls."

Spotty

Electric Keet

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drei...@teleport.com (Daniel R. Reitman) posted the following, with
peanut butter, between two slices of bread with the crusts cut off...

> In article <4qpig9$r...@news.wco.com>,
> li...@asis.com (Lenester Taxidean) wrote:
> >Suggested additions/modifications to the species list:

> >FKk: Koala

Sorry, FKk is 'roo territory. Try for FKo, perhaps/

> >FVm: Mongoose

Isn't that already FHm?


Of course, I personally might add a section about Stuffies...

P -- Plush critters

P++++ Where'd my PC go? Oh, it's buried under my stuffies
P+++ I collect EVERY ONE I FIND of a certain species, or two, or 3...
P++ I've got a collection of several favorites
P+ I have been known to cuddle a few
P I like them, they sit on my shelves collecting dust
P- No thanks, they'll sit on my shelves collecting dust
P-- Kid stuff, I'd sooner hug a pincusion


And the real critical one, the RL/Furry persona crossover factor...

f -- RL furriness factor

f++++ I am not a human. I AM A FURRY.
f+++ I've been known to bark at people I DON'T KNOW to greet them
f++ I've been known to bark at friends to greet them
f+ I make frequent jokes, show friends my furry art collection
f I make an occasional reference to my furriness
f- I only tell close friends
f-- I tell NOBODY


And now, my code, just to make sure everything irons out okay...

FKk(ps)/Ca(h) A+>++ C H- M+ P++ Z Sm# RLM/CT f++ cdw>ln[NT]++++$ d+
i++ a# e*+ h** p* sm#

Eh? :)

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Lenester Taxidean

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tra...@umich.edu (Electric Keet)Fri, 28 Jun 1996 05:15:34 GMT writes:
>
>drei...@teleport.com (Daniel R. Reitman) posted the following, with
>peanut butter, between two slices of bread with the crusts cut off...
>
>> In article <4qpig9$r...@news.wco.com>,
>> li...@asis.com (Lenester Taxidean) wrote:
>> >Suggested additions/modifications to the species list:
>
>> >FKk: Koala
>
>Sorry, FKk is 'roo territory. Try for FKo, perhaps/
>
>> >FVm: Mongoose
>
>Isn't that already FHm?

Erk. Okay, now that I'm awake, and can think straight, and have gone
and done some research instead of taking other peoples' words for
things...

Viverridae and herpestidae, while separate families, are categorized
together in several places, often under viverrid, and I had thought
they were the same thing. (And had totally missed the Herpestidae
section of the species list.) I do think they should be consolidated
into one category; whether it's V or H is up for vote. Also, Hyaenidae
(Hyenas) is needed, and H would be logical for that, but then they're
often classified along with felines, so if you're not as confused as I
am, I'd appreciate some help. ;>

>Of course, I personally might add a section about Stuffies...
>
>P -- Plush critters
>
>P++++ Where'd my PC go? Oh, it's buried under my stuffies
>P+++ I collect EVERY ONE I FIND of a certain species, or two, or 3...
>P++ I've got a collection of several favorites
>P+ I have been known to cuddle a few
>P I like them, they sit on my shelves collecting dust
>P- No thanks, they'll sit on my shelves collecting dust
>P-- Kid stuff, I'd sooner hug a pincusion

Agreed!

>And the real critical one, the RL/Furry persona crossover factor...
>
>f -- RL furriness factor
>
>f++++ I am not a human. I AM A FURRY.
>f+++ I've been known to bark at people I DON'T KNOW to greet them
>f++ I've been known to bark at friends to greet them
>f+ I make frequent jokes, show friends my furry art collection
>f I make an occasional reference to my furriness
>f- I only tell close friends
>f-- I tell NOBODY

So... does this bring us up to v1.1?

-
TCotF 1.1
F(Mts|Mrm|Kk) A+>+++ B(++||+) C>+ H/+ P+ M++++ Z>+ S(m+|f++|m)
RLCT- co+++ d+/-- f++ i++>+++ a19 e/* h>-- p*>++ sm
-


Ron Orr

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In article <31CFC7...@netlink.co.nz>, Ross Smith
<al...@netlink.co.nz> writes:

Ross> This newsgroup is getting a bit too serious for my taste at the
Ross> moment (am I the only one who sees something inherently silly in
Ross> the idea of furry fandom taking itself seriously?). In the
Ross> interests of promoting humour, fun, Silly Threads, and nothing
Ross> remotely resembling reality, I now present for your edification
Ross> and amusement...

Ross> The Code of the Furries Version 1.0

(Oh, I hate posting these...)

Could some kind soul repost/email the Code again? My fracking
server knows the thing got posted, but it never &*^%#(ing well showed up
on their machine.

Even tho I know it doesn't cover us mythicals, I'd love to apply
it to a few furries of my aquaintance...

Ron (griz...@vianet.on.ca)
Lover, artist, poet, manticore
still looking for his true name

Ysengrin Werewolf

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I like it - just the sort of thing to constructively waste time with
<gryn>.

On 29 Jun 1996 02:15:30 GMT, li...@asis.com (Lenester Taxidean) wrote:

>So... does this bring us up to v1.1?

How about the fursuiters? <gryn> I'll take a stab at that part if
y'all can pick a prefix for it, as "F"and "f" are in use ... and when
I get just a little sleep. Maybe something like:

++++ I've made plans to be buried in a fursuit
+++ I'll wear a fursuit at any opportunity
(where costumes are not expected)
++ I'll wear a fursuit at cons/sporting events
(where costumes are uncommon)
+ I'll wear a fursuit for Halloween/masquerades
(where costumes are expected)
I might wear a fursuit
- I'd wear a fursuit if I had to
-- You must be kidding. I'd die first.

add a "m" after the prefix if you've made your own fursuit.

Furry Code 1.1
FCw/Cwh A+ B+/ C+>++ H+/++ P++/+++ M? Z+ Sm+
RLTH/E cdnw+++$ d++ f+++/++++ i++ a+ e+ h++ p+++ sm+

--
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http://www.webcom.com/verdun/verdun.html

Brian Newman

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On 29 Jun 1996, Lenester Taxidean wrote:

> So... does this bring us up to v1.1?
>

> -
> TCotF 1.1
> F(Mts|Mrm|Kk) A+>+++ B(++||+) C>+ H/+ P+ M++++ Z>+ S(m+|f++|m)
> RLCT- co+++ d+/-- f++ i++>+++ a19 e/* h>-- p*>++ sm
> -

Where can one find the furry code?

Shade and sweet water,
Brian
bne...@3rdplanet.com -- Pandeiros on FurryMUCK


Ron Orr

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Lenester Taxidean <li...@asis.com> wrote:

> >Of course, I personally might add a section about Stuffies...
> >
> >P -- Plush critters
> >
> >P++++ Where'd my PC go? Oh, it's buried under my stuffies
> >P+++ I collect EVERY ONE I FIND of a certain species, or two, or 3...
> >P++ I've got a collection of several favorites
> >P+ I have been known to cuddle a few
> >P I like them, they sit on my shelves collecting dust
> >P- No thanks, they'll sit on my shelves collecting dust
> >P-- Kid stuff, I'd sooner hug a pincusion
>
> Agreed!

Same here, but it avoids the question of those of us who enjoy,
err, closer relations with our plushies?
Obviously P+ indicates you've tried plush sex...and it would go
to P++++ which means "Why would I _want_ to have sex with a living
person?" and to P--- which means "That's _sick!_" O'course, that's just
me own personal bias. (hey, fellow plushophiles, back me up!)

And another idea; under RL, we should have some indication for
those with training, but who are 'between jobs;' RLL- would be an
out-of-work lawyer (best kind IMO.)

And we need a category for fursuiters, and (like it or not) it'd
be thoughtful to have one for zoos too. <cringes & expects the flames to
begin any moment.>

Ron
FX/w A+ C+>++ H+ M Z Sm++ RLE- cm d- i~+ a+>++ e+ h++++ p>+ sm**

Rob Taylor

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On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Electric Keet wrote:

> drei...@teleport.com (Daniel R. Reitman) posted the following, with
> peanut butter, between two slices of bread with the crusts cut off...
>

> And now, my code, just to make sure everything irons out okay...
>
> FKk(ps)/Ca(h) A+>++ C H- M+ P++ Z Sm# RLM/CT f++ cdw>ln[NT]++++$ d+
> i++ a# e*+ h** p* sm#
>
> Eh? :)
>

Er..
Does anyone out there have the complete guide all these
catagories? My computer looked at the line and asked if it should run the
program..

Confused,

Blackfoot =-{
(volunteer Yiffnet bartender and novice chemist, checking his watch to see
when the regulars' fur turns blue)

Ross Smith

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Ysengrin Werewolf wrote:
>
> I like it - just the sort of thing to constructively waste time with
> <gryn>.

What could be more constructive than wasting time? (Don't answer that :-)

> How about the fursuiters? <gryn> I'll take a stab at that part if
> y'all can pick a prefix for it, as "F"and "f" are in use ...

C for Costume, M for Masquerade, and S for Suit are also spoken for,
so how about D for Dressing-up?

It looks like I was a bit preamture in releasing my 1.1 version; the
suggestions are still coming in thick and fast. I'll leave it for a
couple of weeks before putting together everything I can into 1.2.
(Which will, of course, immediately be followed up by a dozen why-
didn't-I-think-of-that ideas for 1.3 :-)

Tobias Benjamin Koehler

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Dean Ridgway (rid...@kira.peak.org) wrote:
> In article <31CFC7...@netlink.co.nz>,
> Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:

> > The Code of the Furries
> > Version 1.0
> >
> > Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> 23-Jun-96

What if someone quoted the original file?
It never came through to me.
Thank you! - unci


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Lenester Taxidean

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In message <1996070120...@nor112.vianet.on.ca> -
griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr) writes:

> Same here, but it avoids the question of those of us who enjoy,
>err, closer relations with our plushies?
> Obviously P+ indicates you've tried plush sex...and it would go
>to P++++ which means "Why would I _want_ to have sex with a living
>person?" and to P--- which means "That's _sick!_" O'course, that's just
>me own personal bias. (hey, fellow plushophiles, back me up!)
>
> And another idea; under RL, we should have some indication for
>those with training, but who are 'between jobs;' RLL- would be an
>out-of-work lawyer (best kind IMO.)
>
> And we need a category for fursuiters, and (like it or not) it'd
>be thoughtful to have one for zoos too. <cringes & expects the flames to
>begin any moment.>

Hmm... how 'bout putting them in as modifiers under the 's' section
(as they have to do with human sex)? Like, smzp+++ would be a male who
has never had sex with another human, has tried a bit of stuff with
animals, and goes at it ravenously with his plushies. (Please note:
this is only an example. It doesn't describe me.) ;>

-

-
TCotF 1.1
F(Mts|Mrm|Kk) A+>+++ B(++||+) C>+ H/+ M++++ P++ Z>+ S(m+|f++|m)

David Lerner

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li...@asis.com (Lenester Taxidean) wrote:
>
><snip>

>
>Hmm... how 'bout putting them in as modifiers under the 's' section
>(as they have to do with human sex)? Like, smzp+++ would be a male who
>has never had sex with another human, has tried a bit of stuff with
>animals, and goes at it ravenously with his plushies. (Please note:
>this is only an example. It doesn't describe me.) ;>

That's more than I want to know!

><.sig snip>


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Steven R. Martindale

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In article <4qs6ac$g...@kira.peak.org>, rid...@kira.peak.org (Dean Ridgway)
wrote:
>In article <31CFC7...@netlink.co.nz>,
>Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> The Code of the Furries
>> Version 1.0
>>
>> Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> 23-Jun-96
>
>Quite a nifty idea. Surprising no one thought of it sooner.

Actually someone (Me) did, about a year/year and a half ago, and started to
work on it on Candynet's Furry echo (No 'net access at the time).
Unfortunately the project was never finished, and the files were lost when
my old computer died.

But from memory it had fields for species, genre (Personal Furry, fantasy,
SF, etc), fur/skin/scale/etc color&pattern, size, and personality...

(Known under the alias Kit Cloudkicker on Candynet... Anyone from there
online?)

Steven,

Electric Keet

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griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr) posted the following, with peanut

butter, between two slices of bread with the crusts cut off...

> Lenester Taxidean <li...@asis.com> wrote:

> > >Of course, I personally might add a section about Stuffies...
> > >
> > >P -- Plush critters
> > >
> > >P++++ Where'd my PC go? Oh, it's buried under my stuffies
> > >P+++ I collect EVERY ONE I FIND of a certain species, or two, or 3...
> > >P++ I've got a collection of several favorites
> > >P+ I have been known to cuddle a few
> > >P I like them, they sit on my shelves collecting dust
> > >P- No thanks, they'll sit on my shelves collecting dust
> > >P-- Kid stuff, I'd sooner hug a pincusion
> >
> > Agreed!

> Same here, but it avoids the question of those of us who enjoy,


> err, closer relations with our plushies?
> Obviously P+ indicates you've tried plush sex...and it would go
> to P++++ which means "Why would I _want_ to have sex with a living
> person?" and to P--- which means "That's _sick!_" O'course, that's just
> me own personal bias. (hey, fellow plushophiles, back me up!)

Okay. Use PS for all that.

Actually, perhaps there could be a second code for those who wish to
reveal their sexual traits... Keep the original FurCode short and
sweet, and have a second (YiffCode? Just kidding) for the "naughty
bits". :)

David G. Bell

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In article <4rcks3$6...@news.wco.com> li...@asis.com "Lenester Taxidean" writes:

> In message <1996070120...@nor112.vianet.on.ca> -
> griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr) writes:
>

> > Same here, but it avoids the question of those of us who enjoy,
> >err, closer relations with our plushies?
> > Obviously P+ indicates you've tried plush sex...and it would go
> >to P++++ which means "Why would I _want_ to have sex with a living
> >person?" and to P--- which means "That's _sick!_" O'course, that's just
> >me own personal bias. (hey, fellow plushophiles, back me up!)
> >

> > And another idea; under RL, we should have some indication for
> >those with training, but who are 'between jobs;' RLL- would be an
> >out-of-work lawyer (best kind IMO.)
> >
> > And we need a category for fursuiters, and (like it or not) it'd
> >be thoughtful to have one for zoos too. <cringes & expects the flames to
> >begin any moment.>
>

> Hmm... how 'bout putting them in as modifiers under the 's' section
> (as they have to do with human sex)? Like, smzp+++ would be a male who
> has never had sex with another human, has tried a bit of stuff with
> animals, and goes at it ravenously with his plushies. (Please note:
> this is only an example. It doesn't describe me.) ;>

Aren't we getting into a controverial area here?

Personally, I don't like the idea of something which _might_ cause
people to confuse furry fans with zoophiles. I'm not too bothered about
the idea of the furry code allowing somebody to boast about how sexually
active they are, but is it really a good idea to get that detailed?

This is, after all, alt.fan.furry rather than alt.sex.furry

--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, Furry, and Punslinger..

Ross Smith

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Ron Orr wrote:
>
> Obviously P+ indicates you've tried plush sex...and it would go
> to P++++ which means "Why would I _want_ to have sex with a living
> person?" and to P--- which means "That's _sick!_" O'course, that's just
> me own personal bias. (hey, fellow plushophiles, back me up!)
>
> And another idea; under RL, we should have some indication for
> those with training, but who are 'between jobs;' RLL- would be an
> out-of-work lawyer (best kind IMO.)
>
> And we need a category for fursuiters, and (like it or not) it'd
> be thoughtful to have one for zoos too. <cringes & expects the flames to
> begin any moment.>

Errr.....

I'll put in the trained-but-between-jobs idea, but I think the others are
a little too, um, incendiary for me to include in the Code :-)

! at ?

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Electric Keet (tra...@umich.edu) wrote:

: Okay. Use PS for all that.

: Actually, perhaps there could be a second code for those who wish to
: reveal their sexual traits... Keep the original FurCode short and
: sweet, and have a second (YiffCode? Just kidding) for the "naughty
: bits". :)

Works for me! The second code would be optional, for those who don't
think it is anyone's damn business. Perhaps the first line would have
something like [F] in front of it and the second [Y]?

! at ?

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There is already a 1.1 version, but if it was posted I seem to have missed
it. Would someone repost it or send it to me?

James Andrews

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Hmmm... furry codes. Like it, but lacks readability. I mean,
it's not like you can just look at a furry code and think 'ah, a
bipedal fox with furry ears' unless it takes off, big time. Or,
how about something easier to read, without having to adhere to
specific rules:

MaleFoxAge:16BipedalFurryEars

or whatever. FAR easier to read, less obscure, no need for
constant reference to some sort of key.

Jalem (10166...@compuserve.com)

--
James Andrews

'What's a motto?' - Timon, The Lion King

Ross Smith

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David G. Bell wrote:
>
> In article <4rcks3$6...@news.wco.com> li...@asis.com "Lenester Taxidean" writes:
>
> > In message <1996070120...@nor112.vianet.on.ca> -
> > griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr) writes:
> > >
> > > [ suggestions on plushy sex & zoophilia ]
> >
> > [ more in the same vein ]

>
> Aren't we getting into a controverial area here?

Yes.

Come on, furs -- the Furry Code is supposed to be a bit of light relief,
not a source of more flamewars. We have enough of those to be going on
with for now.

Editorial decision: although I welcome more suggestions for expanding
other parts of the Furry Code, there absolutely will *not* be any further
additions to the sex sections.

--
Ross Smith ........................................ Wellington, New Zealand
Home: <mailto:al...@netlink.co.nz> ... Work: <mailto:ross....@nz.eds.com>
"I keep my ear very close to the ground, and in consequence I listen to a
lot of dog crap." -- Alexei Sayle

FC1.1: FCwct4a A+>++ C** H M- W* Z Sm# RLCT cno++++$ d++ i+++$ a+ e++ h- p-- sm#

Rat

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James Andrews <10166...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>Hmmm... furry codes. Like it, but lacks readability. I mean,
>it's not like you can just look at a furry code and think 'ah, a
>bipedal fox with furry ears' unless it takes off, big time. Or,
>how about something easier to read, without having to adhere to
>specific rules:
>
> MaleFoxAge:16BipedalFurryEars
>
>or whatever. FAR easier to read, less obscure, no need for
>constant reference to some sort of key.

It's like a language, you can just learn it and read it without
consulting a key. And once you make one for youself, it's easy to
remember them. Though I admit, the one for species I have to look up
all the time.
Also, there's that "elite" quality to it. It's a code, as if we're in
some secret club. Without the key, you would have a very hard time
figuring it out.


Furry Code 1.1
FRr A-- C>+ H+ M+ W--- Z- Sm-- RLCT cbdmn++++$ d++ i+++$ a e+ h- p**
sm--

Deon Ramsey [MW]

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Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> writes:

>Errr.....

>I'll put in the trained-but-between-jobs idea, but I think the others are
>a little too, um, incendiary for me to include in the Code :-)

A politically correct Furry Code ? For shame.

Honestly, people don't have to USE the part of the code they don't want, but
let's make it possible for those who don't want to be PC to do so if they
so wish. They too are furries, they too deserve to be part of fandom, they
too deserve a part of the code.
Miavir
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Something is wrong here, and it wasn't the Apollo.

Ross Smith

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! at ? wrote:
>
> There is already a 1.1 version, but if it was posted I seem to have missed
> it. Would someone repost it or send it to me?

Rat has put it up on his web site at http://rat.org/furry/furcode.htm

Richard Chandler

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In article <4rnb0g$s...@news.erie.net>,
Kenneth Poland <ga...@moose.erie.net> wrote:
>Also, for me, furry includes sex.

Yes, we're well aware of this. In fact, I have trouble thinking of
anything you've posted where you DIDN't say this. I'd say that Includes
is almost too mild a word for you to be using up there.

In fact, given the sheer number of posts you've made, I'd say you feel
threatened by the current backlash against oversexed furries and have
started a one man campaign to try and counter it by repeatedly mentioning
your personal connection between furry and sex.

Naturally, this is just my opinion, but it is the impression you're giving
me.

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David G. Bell

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In article <4rnb0g$s...@news.erie.net>
ga...@moose.erie.net "Kenneth Poland" writes:

> On Sat, 06 Jul 1996 01:51:15 +1200, Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Come on, furs -- the Furry Code is supposed to be a bit of light relief,
> > not a source of more flamewars. We have enough of those to be going on
> > with for now.
>
> > Editorial decision: although I welcome more suggestions for expanding
> > other parts of the Furry Code, there absolutely will *not* be any further
> > additions to the sex sections.
>

> If certain activities that many of us furs are not included, then it is an
> incomplete furry code. I was hoping that I could have a code of my own that
> actually represented who and what I am as a furry, but I see now that what I
> am isn't suitable here. What on earth is wrong with including plushie, zoo,
> beasty, and any other the other suggestions. Even if they are controversial
> the code should still be complete. Just because there are new things added
> doesn't mean that everyone has to use them or state their own position on
> them. You are choosing to leave out a significant number of good furries,
> including me. I happen to be a plushophile as well as being furry, and I'm
> into fursuits too. Please consider changing your positon on this to be more
> inclusive of everyone.


You're making sense here, but I'm not sure if the foundations of your
argument are all that solid. Is the Furry Code about being a Furry Fan,
or about being a Furry Character? It looks like both, and there is some
potential for confusion. How much of your FC side is also part of your
FF side, or even part of your _public_ RL?

If you want a code to express your sexuality, write up a Sex Code.
There is nothing which says you can't use more than one code so as to
describe different aspects of your self. Yes, there can be overlaps,
but I think we should be careful to avoid confusion between a Furry
persona, whether on a MUCK or wholly internalized, and the RL person
hammering away at a keyboard.

In that context, a code for TSing seems like a good idea, with a range
of values from "No, never" through "Well, hardly ever" to "All the
time." And maybe with a "Yes, but never again!" in there somewhere.

But, except in the most general terms, I think RL sexuality should be
kept out of a Furry Code. I mean, do you expect people to tell the
truth about that anyway?

It comes down to two questions. Is it a good idea to encourage further
the association between Furry Fandom and erotica? And is it really a
good idea to advertise your personal sexual preferences in such a public
forum?

The answer to the second question is entirely up to you, but the first
question -- that has to be answered collectively, as a virtual
community, and some of use are inevitably going to be disappointed by
the answer we eventually reach.

Karl F. Meyers

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ga...@moose.erie.net (Kenneth Poland) wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Jul 1996 01:51:15 +1200, Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:

>> Come on, furs -- the Furry Code is supposed to be a bit of light relief,
>> not a source of more flamewars. We have enough of those to be going on
>> with for now.

>> Editorial decision: although I welcome more suggestions for expanding
>> other parts of the Furry Code, there absolutely will *not* be any further
>> additions to the sex sections.

>If certain activities that many of us furs are not included, then it is an
>incomplete furry code. I was hoping that I could have a code of my own that
>actually represented who and what I am as a furry, but I see now that what I
>am isn't suitable here.

Um, Kenneth, this is all in fun. You're making mountains out of
molehills over some silly little code a couple of furries came up with
in jest.

>What on earth is wrong with including plushie, zoo,
>beasty, and any other the other suggestions. Even if they are controversial
>the code should still be complete.

OK, so use the brackets modifier : for example, Sm[yourkinkhere]++.
Easy fix.

>Just because there are new things added
>doesn't mean that everyone has to use them or state their own position on
>them. You are choosing to leave out a significant number of good furries,
>including me.

Could you do your fellow furries a favour and quit speaking for them?
If other furries wish to display their particular likes and dislikes,
they will do so. You also do people like me a disservice by making it
sound like I have to share your interests to be a furry (maybe not in
this post, but in others). I am quite straight, and have no interest
in plushophilia, and I'm just as much a furry fan as you are.

The only - and I mean -ONLY- - common denominator that people have to
have to be furry is a love of anthropomorphics. Any other likes and
dislikes are the domain of each individual; if people choose to share
those with others having similar interests, fine. One should not
assume, however, that we ALL share those interests because we're in
the same fandom, and one should never try to force the issue;
otherwise, you wind up with annoyed people ignoring you instead of
potential friends.

>Also, for me, furry includes sex. The remove the sexuality would be to
>remove a large portion of what furry is to me.

Hey, great, that's part of your furry experience. It's not
necessarily part of everyone else's, though. You are applying your
likes to the whole of the fandom, and the whole of the fandom doesn't
necessarily share that; this explains the flames you've gotten in the
past.

>Not including people like me in the furry code is like telling us to shut
>up and that we aren't important.

No, it's not. You ARE included in the Furry Code in the other parts
of it. Sex is not everything in the fandom, as has been pointed out
umpteen times on this very newsgroup. Personally, I'd rather have
solid friendships more than casual sex anyday, but that's just me.

I think you are getting too obsessed with your fandom; perhaps you
need to step back and take a look at the level of fanaticism you're
reaching with this. (I've taken a FIJAGDH approach to furrydom as of
late; anything that lords over your life beyond RL concerns is
dangerous. YMMV.)

Everyone defines the fandom in their own way. Define your involvement
in the fandom your way, but don't try to force your way on others, and
for Fates' sake, quit being so evangelical about it.

(Flames to /dev/null, as always)


Looking behind me, the water turns icy blue | Karl F. Meyers
The lights are dimmed, and once again | Jacksonville, Florida
The stage is set for you. | kme...@ix.netcom.com
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PeterCat

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[Posted and mailed]

Recently in alt.fan.furry,


> Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:
>> Come on, furs -- the Furry Code is supposed to be a bit of light relief,
>> not a source of more flamewars. We have enough of those to be going on
>> with for now. Editorial decision: although I welcome more suggestions for
>> expanding other parts of the Furry Code, there absolutely will *not* be
>> any further additions to the sex sections.
>

ga...@moose.erie.net (Kenneth Poland) wrote:
>If certain activities that many of us furs are not included, then it is an
>incomplete furry code. I was hoping that I could have a code of my own that
>actually represented who and what I am as a furry, but I see now that what I

>am isn't suitable here. What on earth is wrong with including plushie, zoo,


>beasty, and any other the other suggestions.

Kenneth, why don't you compile a "Furry Sex" code that folks can use as a
supplement to the general furry code, if they choose to? Ross Smith is quite
within his rights to set limits on what he's willing to do with his general
furry code. And there's nothing stopping anyone else from doing their own
"extensions" to it. (Heck, Netscape has built a business on extending the
HTML code!)

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Brendan Smith

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Well, it was suggested before: why doesn't someone here come up with a
supplementary code to cover furry sex? Frankly, there's so
much to describe that it would nearly _require_ a separate code.


Brendan Smith | ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca | Saskatoon, SK
aka GhostFox | www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ac375/GhostDen.html | Canada
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Furry Code 1.1
FCfpm2ad A+>+++ C- H M W->+++ Z/+ Sm RLCT cd++++ d++ i++ a- e- h* p sm


Richard J. Bartrop

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On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Kenneth Poland wrote:

> Not including
> people like me in the furry code is like telling us to shut up and that we
> aren't important.
>

Yet this is exactly what people are being told when they say they
uncomfortable about certain aspects of the fandom. Nobody likes to be
told their opinions are stupid, or don't matter. The fact is, a lot of
furfans have strong views, and if all the fine words I've seen here about
tolerance are more than just words, then we have to consder the feelings
oof others, even when we don't agree with them, and come up with some sort
of reasonable compromise.

Richard Bartrop
writer/artist, "Zaibatsu Tears"
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Grey on FurryMUCK, TigerMUCK, SPR

Ron Orr

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Ross Smith <al...@netlink.co.nz> wrote:

> David G. Bell wrote:
> >
> > Aren't we getting into a controverial area here?
>
> Yes.
>

> Come on, furs -- the Furry Code is supposed to be a bit of light relief,
> not a source of more flamewars. We have enough of those to be going on
> with for now.

Good point.
Forgive me; I have this nasty tendancy to take _everything_ too
seriously...

Ron
40 self-inflicted lashes with a wet noodle

Mr D P Round

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In article 1...@mhafc.production.compuserve.com, James Andrews <10166...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>Hmmm... furry codes. Like it, but lacks readability. I mean,
>it's not like you can just look at a furry code and think 'ah, a
>bipedal fox with furry ears' unless it takes off, big time. Or,
>how about something easier to read, without having to adhere to
>specific rules:
>
> MaleFoxAge:16BipedalFurryEars
>
>or whatever. FAR easier to read, less obscure, no need for
>constant reference to some sort of key.

Ah, but the whole point is that it is obscure!


>
>Jalem (10166...@compuserve.com)
>
>--
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>
> 'What's a motto?' - Timon, The Lion King

FMo~ A W->++ C- H+ M Z Sm RLCT/RLE/RLF>RLAT c++b/u d--- i+ a e+++ h+++ p
sm* furry coded! (1.1)
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Dennis Lee Bieber

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I spent last night looking at the code (1.1) and found a few
things...

The code is laid out as two sets of information, but seems to
try to cover three areas -- and some codes cross areas.

Furry persona (F... and S... codes fit strongest)
Fandom (RL) (the A... W... C... and Z...)
Other (RL) (RL and subsequent)

The H... code could, in some cases, cross over between
persona and other. IE; if one's persona is a muck/RPG only type
character, it may have an H code totally at odds with the RL
huggability. For example (splitting parts and using an "@" to
introduce the Fandom cluster) I would tend to look like:

FCw3amr H+ Sm++>- (personal furry, don't ask about the S <G>)
FC[enfield]m5m H++ Sm++ (FurryMUCK current active)
FPr4m H++ Sh+++ (Furtoonia current active)
@ A-- C- M++ W-- Z?
RLCT cav++$ d--- H i+ a+ e++ h- p*>+ sm# (note H code)


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Terry Knight

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In article <4rvdsd$j...@news.erie.net> ga...@moose.erie.net writes:

>
>On Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:52:56 -0600, "Richard J. Bartrop"
><rbar...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> > Not including
>> > people like me in the furry code is like telling us to shut up and that we
>> > aren't important.
>
>> Yet this is exactly what people are being told when they say they
>> uncomfortable about certain aspects of the fandom. Nobody likes to be
>> told their opinions are stupid, or don't matter.
>
>Everybody's opinions are important. The only time this becomes a problem is
>when these opinions are forced onto others. Most people are perfectly
>content to allow everyone to just do their own thing.
[snip]

OH FER CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!

Listen you guys, the Furry Code was intended as some fun thing to discuss
to get us *away* from this kind of flamewar! Ross, the creator of the
code, said so himself! AND NOW THE SAME BLOODY TYPE OF DISCUSSION IS
ENTERING THE THREAD THAT WAS INTENDED AS A *COUNTER* TO THE "SEX IN
FANDOM" FLAMES!

<<takes a deep breath>>

Can't people take the hint? Please? And if Ross doesn't want Furry Sex
stuff in the code he designed, that's his right to do so.

--
Terry Knight (MayFurr on FurryMUCK) | may...@vixen.southern.co.nz
=======================================================================
"But starting from the other end you had an animal with everything
an animal should have... and added to all these, as though Paradise
had never been lost and earliest dreams were true, the charm of
speech and reason" - C.S. Lewis | FurCode 1.1 follows:
FCf3m/Cm3# A++ C*>+ H? M+ W Z++ S# RLCT c+dw d i+ a>+ e+ h+++ p sm*

Lost

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ga...@moose.erie.net (Kenneth Poland) wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:52:56 -0600, "Richard J. Bartrop"
><rbar...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> > Not including
>> > people like me in the furry code is like telling us to shut up and that we
>> > aren't important.
>
>I guess the solution sounds easier than it is. Just include everyone no
>matter how different they are in a the areas of furry fandom. While doing
>this, make sure that nobody FORCES their lifestyle or opinions on to another
>furry...

I think you're all kinda missing the point when it comes to the furry code
though (even though you're making sense elsewhere) The furry code is designed
to be a *short* code for expressing the details *common* to all furrys. That
is why it doesn't include boars and goats, 125 different variations of
morphs, whether you like chile, which muppet do you most identify with, your
favorite sexual position, etc. The furry code is about distilling the essence
of furriness into its most common manifestations. I don't think anyone can
precisely represent themselves in code for this very reason (I know I can't).
And while it may be a big part of your furry life, sex seems not to be so to
the vast majority of furrys, or even of interest (at least on the net ^_^)
That is why it shouldn't get a category (and its also why Doom should
should definately not have a category!)
Lost

Richard Chandler

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Jul 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/12/96
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In article <4rvdsd$j...@news.erie.net>,
Kenneth Poland <ga...@moose.erie.net> wrote:
>That compromise is an equal mix of respect and tolerance. Remove either and
>people will always be hurt or upset.

This is one place where we agree.

One thing that really bugs me when people say "If you don't like seeing us
kissing in the lobby, go somewhere else, you don't have to look." is that
it is totally selfish attitude. They're telling someone else to do
something to avoid conflict, but do nothing themselves to avoid a
conflict.

It's really just a milder phrasing of "Screw you, we're going to do what
we want, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit your ass on the
way out."

You know, if Confurence had problems with people standing up in the lobby
spouting political theory, or sermonizing from the bible, they too would
have gotten a paragraph in that infamous essay. But we don't, so they
didn't.

! at ?

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Would someone PLEASE send me the 1.1 version? I never saw it.

Brendan Smith

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! at ? (mtmo...@indirect.com) wrote:
: Would someone PLEASE send me the 1.1 version? I never saw it.

I've got it on my webpage at www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ac375/GhostDen.html
(shameless plug :)

Fox2687740

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Jul 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/14/96
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Um... I don't really try to define ANYTHING(If I have, I'm REAAAAALLY
sorry.). But true, if "fellow furries" had their opinions about it, they'd
speak(Unless they're reclusive, like me.). But then I can't give a valid
opinion about this topic. So...... That's about it... ::Yawns, naps and
his tail covers snout and hands::

Oh no!! I forgot to get my shirt outta the dryer! Now I'm gonna be zapped
at every doorknob I touch! YAAAAAAAAARF!!!!!

Fox2687740

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