Furry Fandom in Transition?
SiberSkunk
peak of my buying frenzy a few years back, I couldn't look at everything
that I got, and ended up getting some real bogus stuff - or at least, it
was bogus to me.
But someone bought it, and I haven't heard one complaint. :)
And I'm as active as always.
SS
*Paragon* wrote:
> Just curious, (well, I'm *always* curious!) but I noticed quite a few
> furs selling old comics and stuff on e-bay. Are these furs calling it
> quits on the fandom and selling all their fur stuff?
>
> Or are these furs the ones who buy extras on all their comics and
> prints, thinking they'll be worth alot someday, and are now selling off
> these extras because they realize their not going to be worth a whole
> lot more... ;)
>
> Or just pressed for cash? (Aren't we all?)
>
> And I suppose "new furs" are the ones buying these
> out-of-print hard-to-find comics and prints from the "old furs". :)
>
> I'm guilty of this...I'm still looking for some Fusion comics!
>
> --
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>
> Fortune go with you, wherever your journeys take you!
>
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> Before you buy.
*Paragon*
dem...@ucla.edu
normal houe-cleaning type thing. I mean if 20 years from now I need more
space in my room to fit my Quattrostereophonic Ultra Hi-Fi 4-dimensional
Television, I'll clear out a few old funny books.
-VJG/DEMONX
In article <3841CFD0...@skunked.com>,
SiberSkunk <siber...@skunked.com> wrote:
> Me, I was just selling off the stuff that I didn't want anymore. In the
> peak of my buying frenzy a few years back, I couldn't look at everything
> that I got, and ended up getting some real bogus stuff - or at least, it
> was bogus to me.
>
> But someone bought it, and I haven't heard one complaint. :)
>
> And I'm as active as always.
>
> SS
>
> *Paragon* wrote:
>
Matthew High
buying lots of comics back in 1993, when I was dirt-poor, and just never picked
up the habit again. And now, that I work for the leading distributor of
independent comics (Cold Cut Distribution), I can read just about any comic I
like!
Sooo...I've started offering some of my older anthropomorphic comics for sale
on ebay. Many of them are impossible to find. Many of them are signed. Many
only show some slight reading wear and are in excellent condition. Most of
them are very good books by themselves, and I would recommend funny animal fans
everywhere read them.
I have offered a complete set of Xanadu #1-5 (signed) for sale on ebay, auction
ends shortly.
I have also offered Critters #38 (contains Usagi Yojimbo, Stinz, Coyote,
Fission Chicken, and is signed by Sakai, Barr and White), and Xxxenophile #1
(not furry, but what the hey, signed by Foglio) just in the past day.
I am also going to offer Rhudiprrt #1-3 set and "A Very Mu X-Mas #1" for
auction shortly. And I have lots of other books to offer as well, including
early Furrlough, Genus, Albedo, Dreamery, Critters, Fusion and more. Plus
fanzines and such. A lot of really good stuff.
I haven't read them in years (not for lack of interest - just turned out that
way) - might as well give someone else the chance to get some really
hard-to-find comics. Plus I get a little extra cash to upgrade my computer at
the same time. Whoo-hoo!
Oh, I also take requests for auctions if anyone has suggestions.
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"Matt! Come into the light" "No! I like the darkness!"
Distributor/Retailer Liaison Radio Comix http://www.radiocomix.com
Promotion/Sales Cold Cut Distribution http://www.coldcut.com
Pelzig
wrote:
> Just curious, (well, I'm *always* curious!) but I noticed quite a few
> furs selling old comics and stuff on e-bay. Are these furs calling it
> quits on the fandom and selling all their fur stuff?
> Or are these furs the ones who buy extras on all their comics and
> prints, thinking they'll be worth alot someday, and are now selling off
> these extras because they realize their not going to be worth a whole
> lot more... ;)
> Or just pressed for cash? (Aren't we all?)
> And I suppose "new furs" are the ones buying these
> out-of-print hard-to-find comics and prints from the "old furs". :)
For me, it is several reasons. Over time, my interests have changed. I used to
buy gobs of comics be they furry or manga. Dropping $75+ in comics a week was
not too unusual. But then, things started to sink in. I was buying all the
stuff and most of it usually ended up on the shelves unread or at most, skimmed
through. Then the money I was spending hit me and things changed quite a bit.
One, my interest in anime became more focused and now I pick and choose my
books for what I want to read, not just to glom it all. For furry items, I tend
to choose issues which have stories I want to read, not just to have the next
issue to keep complete.
As my interests drifted away from manga and anime into military history, I was
spending much of my spare income on books and reference works. And as I took on
more debt in terms of schooling and general living at my current income level,
I decided to begin to sift through my collected items and part with some of
them. I am not calling it quits on the fandom, in fact, I never really
considered myself in the middle of the fandom, more on the outside edge. I
still have several Shon Howell folios, all the Ted Sheppard "Stosstrupp"
Furrlough issues, my early Gold Diggers, the early Genus issues, my Albedo
goods, and many more furry items ( folios, prints, zines ) which I like and
still do and won't part with them ( ditto for my manga collection ). What you
see for sale is letting go of items which, while nice, just do not hold my 100%
interest. And as much of what I have is from the olden days, it gives a
newcomer a chance to purchase what is not so easily had anymore.
Believe me, for me, its not a matter of holding on and buying double copies to
begin selling them off for more than was paid...for the most part, furry titles
do not command much of a resale value if you go by the price guides.
I think the influx of "for sale" posts here to generate income for the holidays
( lets be honest...you sure didn't see these kind of posts often a few months
ago ), selling to folks wanting to treat themselves to some comics to fill gaps
in their collections or wanted to try out some new titles for cheap. Or, like
me, looking to clear out some space at the home and help out with school and
savings.
TCASF,
Pelzig
http://members.aol.com/kstudio1/yardsale.html
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
>Just curious, (well, I'm *always* curious!) but I noticed quite a few
>furs selling old comics and stuff on e-bay. Are these furs calling it
>quits on the fandom and selling all their fur stuff?
There has been a constent churn WRT all comics, not just furry ones.
Trading comics has always been a big thing, we just now have a new
tool to do it with.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://www.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
kodak
<kark...@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
> Just curious, (well, I'm *always* curious!) but I noticed quite a few
> furs selling old comics and stuff on e-bay. Are these furs calling it
> quits on the fandom and selling all their fur stuff?
The people I know of -- who have listed furry collections for sale on
eBay -- are LEAVING furry fandom. They simply do not want to be
associated with any of the things that Furry has come to mean to the
general public: lifestylers, spooge, odd fetishes, lousy art/comics,
and bestiality.
They were just here for the funny animals and since that is no longer
the focus of furry fandom, they decided to purge their collections.
Antonia T. Tiger
east...@netcom.com "kodak" writes:
The tiger creeps up behind kodak, and pulls out a large pin in the base
of the chair, tagged "Emergency Evacuation Device"
*** Kaboing ***
Aaaarrrggghhhhh!!!!!!
Splat!
"The fires don't look too intense today. Maybe he'll be back, but why
the hell does he think we're up here?"
Out in the middle field a stunned furry feels the ground start to shake
as a squad of overweight fanboys tries for a touchdown in his general
direction....
--
Antonia T. Tiger
River Mouse
"kodak" <east...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:301119990717594666%east...@netcom.com...
> In article <81sfv1$fn0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, *Paragon*
> <kark...@mailcity.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious, (well, I'm *always* curious!) but I noticed quite a few
> > furs selling old comics and stuff on e-bay. Are these furs calling it
> > quits on the fandom and selling all their fur stuff?
>
>
> The people I know of -- who have listed furry collections for sale on
> eBay -- are LEAVING furry fandom. They simply do not want to be
> associated with any of the things that Furry has come to mean to the
> general public: lifestylers, spooge, odd fetishes, lousy art/comics,
> and bestiality.
Sometimes it's easy to say something you only mean in a small way and have
it taken as a blanket policy statement. In a small but loose community like
the furry fandom with people at all maturity levels, things have a way of
being related back and forth and being blown out of proportion each time it
crosses through others' interpretations.
It's pretty normal to cut back on clutter now and then throughout one's
life. Priorities shift. Some things get left behind, some things get put off
to the side. It's not that they provide less than they used to - it's that
other things are newer or provide even more.
*giggle* And for what it's worth, the vast, vast majority of the general
public doesn't even *see* the fandom. No worry about how they see you for
associating with it unless you're actively thrusting it into their awareness
without a pretty good reason, in which case you're one of the crazies you
describe.
Random
<river...@pobox.com> wrote:
<snip>
Actually, Kodak is right. There has been a number of people leaving the
fandom and who sell off all their old crap as a kind of catharsis.
--Random
River Mouse
"Random" <sph...@crl.com> wrote in message
news:301119991342282145%sph...@crl.com...
Surely they exist. But is their proportion not in line with the kind of
abandonment of any other subculture? I think it's normal that a few people
get frustrated and leave on the attack in any society.
But for the popularity of MUCKs and the overall size, the fandom doesn't
seem much different from what it was ten years ago, to me at least. Are
others' perceptions different?
Hangdog
> "Random" <sph...@crl.com> wrote in message
> news:301119991342282145%sph...@crl.com...
> > In article <82140h$ruc$1...@flood.xnet.com>, River Mouse
> > <river...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Actually, Kodak is right. There has been a number of people leaving the
> > fandom and who sell off all their old crap as a kind of catharsis.
>
> Surely they exist. But is their proportion not in line with the kind of
> abandonment of any other subculture? I think it's normal that a few people
> get frustrated and leave on the attack in any society.
I think he's referring to Mark Freid, who did exactly that. It doesn't seem
that most of the recent auctions offerings arise from similar circumstances,
however.
Most just seem to be getting rid of duplicates or culling their libraries and
galleries of less-than-favorites to make room for new acquisitions. I would
like to think that maturing tastes play a role in their decisions ("Minerva
Mink in bondage--WHAT was I THINKING?!?!"), but I don't see evidence of that,
either.
IIn short, I think the recent spate of e-bay offerings means that non-artists
have discvovered that they, too, can move merchandise through online auctions,
just like artists have been doing. Nothing more.
--Hangdog
Random
<river...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Surely they exist. But is their proportion not in line with the kind of
> abandonment of any other subculture? I think it's normal that a few people
> get frustrated and leave on the attack in any society.
Well, actually, the furry fandom isn't a subculture. It's a fandom with
some nutcases who think it's a lifestyle. And most of the people who
left it are just burning their bridges to it. It's a pretty nasty
albatross to have around your neck if you wanna be a serious
professional artist or such thing.
> But for the popularity of MUCKs and the overall size, the fandom doesn't
> seem much different from what it was ten years ago, to me at least. Are
> others' perceptions different?
The MUCKs aren't the fandom. There is a LOT of people on the MUCKS who
aren't in the fandom, don't know about the fandom or care about it.
--Random
River Mouse
> In article <821du3$3oo$1...@flood.xnet.com>, River Mouse
> <river...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > Surely they exist. But is their proportion not in line with the kind of
> > abandonment of any other subculture? I think it's normal that a few
people
> > get frustrated and leave on the attack in any society.
>
> Well, actually, the furry fandom isn't a subculture. It's a fandom with
> some nutcases who think it's a lifestyle. And most of the people who
> left it are just burning their bridges to it. It's a pretty nasty
> albatross to have around your neck if you wanna be a serious
> professional artist or such thing.
How do you differentiate between lifestyle and fandom, Random?
> > But for the popularity of MUCKs and the overall size, the fandom doesn't
> > seem much different from what it was ten years ago, to me at least. Are
> > others' perceptions different?
>
> The MUCKs aren't the fandom. There is a LOT of people on the MUCKS who
> aren't in the fandom, don't know about the fandom or care about it.
But of course! I'm sure quite a few non furry fans enjoy furry art, comics,
stories, Distant Suns, etc. too.
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
> > Actually, Kodak is right. There has been a number of people leaving
> > the fandom and who sell off all their old crap as a kind of catharsis.
>
> of abandonment of any other subculture? I think it's normal that a
> few people get frustrated and leave on the attack in any society.
Actually, a lot of them couldn't be bothered to sell off their collections and
just trash them. I know a guy who made a big show of it by coming to a Furry
Gathering many years ago with a box of all his art torn in quarters and
dumping it.
--
The greatest tragedy is that the same species that achieved space flight,
a cure for polio, and the transistor, is also featured nightly on COPS.
-- Richard Chandler
Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Matthew High
have discvovered that they, too, can move merchandise through online auctions,
just like artists have been doing. Nothing more.<<
There are no doubt many of reasons, but I'd say that the phenomenon of internet
auctions has finally hit a "critical mass" -- there's finally enough buyers
*and* sellers participating to make it worthwhile for everyone. Eventually, I
predict, it will become oversaturated and there will be a "culling out" period,
some time next year.
PS Now in auction at ebay from me:
- Rhudiprrt #1-3 set
- Xxxenophile #1 signed
- A Very MU Christmas #1
- Critters #38 signed by Sakai, Barr, and White
khromat
"River Mouse" <river...@pobox.com> wrote:
Distant Suns? What's that? (My mind oddly merged 'Other Suns' with 'A
Distant Soil' for some reason....)
-- ermine
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River Mouse
"khromat" <khr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <821mmu$aad$1...@flood.xnet.com>,
> "River Mouse" <river...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > But of course! I'm sure quite a few non furry fans enjoy furry art,
> comics,
> > stories, Distant Suns, etc. too.
>
> Distant Suns? What's that? (My mind oddly merged 'Other Suns' with 'A
> Distant Soil' for some reason....)
Other Suns - the game Nicolai Shapero (Shapiro?) created forever ago; sorry.
I deny ever having even *looked* at an issue of Distant Soil. For sure!
Random
<snip>
> How do you differentiate between lifestyle and fandom, Random?
Very easily. Look at the words and thing about what they mean.
<snip>
> But of course! I'm sure quite a few non furry fans enjoy furry art, comics,
> stories, Distant Suns, etc. too.
Sure. There are a lot of beastiality porn sites all over the web
appearently.
--Random
M. Mitchell Marmel
> Actually, a lot of them couldn't be bothered to sell off their collections and
> just trash them. I know a guy who made a big show of it by coming to a Furry
> Gathering many years ago with a box of all his art torn in quarters and
> dumping it.
That particular incident was as much making a statement as putting on a
show, as I recall...
-MMM-
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