Where's Brian O Connel?
Konito Chan
His last posted message didn't seem to indicate what he was gonna do.
=(
Brian O'connell
I start training next week...:)
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Kay Shapero
Brian O'connell <neuromanson_h...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Still working on getting a job here, things look promising with Fred
Meyer,
> I start training next week...:)
Good luck!
Brian O'connell
employee, and so that means I won't be training yet, and don't officially
have a job yet either *grumble*...
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Brian O'connell
schlub returning from last years' seasonal position... Just goes to show,
that no matter what my qualifications, I'm gonna get screwed... Period...
One option for me is to take a job driving buses, another is to get tech
support jobs, which I've attempted, only to get shot down in that area as
well...
I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and frankly, I'd
prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service, the pay's better,
the customers are often the same and as patient, and at least I won't have
to commute to work...
"Brian O'connell" <neuromanson_h...@home.com> wrote in message
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Kay Shapero
Brian O'connell <neuromanson_h...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Well, no luck yet, turned out the manager confused me for a
transferred
> employee, and so that means I won't be training yet, and don't officially
> have a job yet either *grumble*...
Well, hang in there and turn over every rock you can find. I once got a job
because I saw an announcement that was so confusing I couldn't figure out
what it was the employer was looking for. This made me curious, so I
checked on it and found out they were a bit confused themselves. So they
hired me and I wound up doing all sorts of things from cleaning/repairing
noxious gas detection devices (the little sniffers you carry down into the
sewers to make sure you can breathe the air) to translating schematic
diagrams from Japanese to English. Note - I didn't and still don't speak,
let alone read Japanese, but fortunately all I really needed to know was
electronics ("if 3 wires come in here this must be a transistor" - this was
a LONG time ago. :->)
Brian O'connell
skills translate as, only that they are marketable... And since I don't know
what my skills qualify me to do, I don't know what I could find them
classified under for employment... And around here (remember: I only know
approximately 40 square miles of an area several hundred times that in
size), it wouldn't make a difference, I don't know where half of these
places are, let alone where to start searching...
The additional difficulty is, I need to be able to afford a place to
live... In 99% of the cases, where you're applying towards an apartment,
you're required to have 2.5-3x the monthly rent as proven income... The jobs
everyone has suggested to me, all pay MINIMUM wage... Since many jobs out
there will start you out for part time/training, this also means that you'll
have approximately 1/2 of the monthly wage... And Min wage is what, $5.40 an
hour? Less? Soooo lets say that a months wages comes to $432 *before* taxes,
about $325 or less after taxes... Kinda leaves me in a bind for obtaining an
apartment when most apartments run $300-$400 a month, doesn't it?
This was the original reason I refused to get a "real job" to begin
with, because I've been let down by the employment scene enough as it is...
At least if I screw up, I know who to blame, and how to fix it... But if you
get the boot during a downsizing, who do you blame? What about that highly
touted concept of seniority, and job security?
Hell, if I just keep myself offline except when totally nessesary, and
if I could track all my income for taxes, I could just cover getting an
apartment as it is from art/auction sales... I should just start filing with
the IRS, so I can claim my art as income and get an apartment... That way I
can swing the money to start up a rental at the very least...
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Farlo
>Kinda leaves me in a bind for obtaining an
>apartment when most apartments run $300-$400 a month
I live in a less-than-savory part of my city, and feel damn lucky to be
paying $500 per month ... for a one bedroom apartment.
Most apartments here run $650 per month, on average.
(No, I'm not in the Ghetto. I hope not, anyways)
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
Do not stand in my way -
I will walk around you.
m>^_^<m
Farlo
> Finding someplace in the $300-400 that's livable would be tough,
>even in the south. Don't forget the increase in energy prices.
I forgot. =)
Those prices are amazing - Ai Yi Yie! $1300???
*Faints from (imagined) loss of green*
Kathmandu
> I forgot. =)
>
> Those prices are amazing - Ai Yi Yie! $1300???
> *Faints from (imagined) loss of green*
>
Well, come on down to Texarkana, Texas. It has the lowest cost of living in the
nation. It also has almost no crime. The guy across the street has lived in the
same house for 30 years and has never locked his doors. My house payments are
$308 a month for a fairly nice 2 bedroom with an attached garage/workshop and a
fenced back yard.
It ain't paradise but it ain't bad either.
Peter A. Schorn
> I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and frankly, I'd
> prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service,
OK, starve. You made your choice.
Psht.
Atara
>
> "Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
> news:933DAA8724756053.B8C057BE...@lp.airnews.net...
Actually, I 100% agree with Hangdog on this one. A job is a job is a
job, whether you're the CEO of a multinational corporation or a
greasy-fingered burger flipper. If it's a decision between pride, and
food on the table...
...I'll take the food. Anyday. Otherwise I'd be living on the street
right now. Shuttling elderly grumps around town isn't exactly what I
want to do for the rest of my life, but right now it's keeping a roof
over my head and food in my cat's bowl.
--
Atara
"I've got a pantheon of animals | a t a r a [ a t ]
in a pagan soul..." -Rush | r a e x
http://www.FurNation.com/Atara/ | [ d o t ] c o m
jazmyn
However, places like Manpower Temps exist to find work for people who
don't want to do food services. Sure, the temp services rip off people
terribly, but it gets my foot in the door of places where I 'might' be
hired on permanent for higher pay.
--
Unsolicited email not accepted and will be reported.
NO SPAM!!
Peter A. Schorn
> Personally, I would rather live in a box then work at McDonalds.
> However, places like Manpower Temps exist to find work for people who
> don't want to do food services. Sure, the temp services rip off people
> terribly, but it gets my foot in the door of places where I 'might' be
> hired on permanent for higher pay.
Actually, I was with Manpower Technical for most of this year, and they did a
great job for me.
--HD
Peter A. Schorn
>
> >Well, come on down to Texarkana, Texas. It has the lowest cost of living in the
> >nation. It also has almost no crime. The guy across the street has lived in the
> >same house for 30 years and has never locked his doors. My house payments are
> >$308 a month for a fairly nice 2 bedroom with an attached garage/workshop and a
> >fenced back yard.
> >
> >It ain't paradise but it ain't bad either.
'Course it ain't Paradise, bwah--it's TEXAS!!!
--Hangdog ;o)
Brian O'connell
paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month on average for drawing
it... But I prefer to avoid the degradation of working in an industry that
contributes to 99.9% of the heart disease, morbid obesity, and the
destruction of the human ideal of self determination, and YET that makes me
worst than Hitler?
Makes as much sense to me as Rush Limbaugh... And JEEEEEEZE does that make
my head hurt...
"Atara" <at...@raex.com> wrote in message news:39D9371E...@raex.com...
Brian O'connell
conditions would be easy, if not obscenely simple, are living under
delusions that were in place since Reagan was president, if not Carter...
Frankly most of these people who say *I* should go into working for fast
food, have not tried to do so themselves for at least 5-10 years, and
barring that, have had some form of financial assistance either at the
behest of the govt or mommy and daddy... Neither of which are options I had
now, let alone 10 years ago... Mommy wasn't rich enough, and the govt was
too worried about how rich she was (under $15,000 a year? She's a goddamnned
Rockefeller!!!)
Bleh... I hope we have a recession or depression soon, then maybe people
would understand my position for a change... Wait a minute, a 15 y.o. was
able to completely manipulate the stock market under sheer proxy and alias
power alone... Mayyyybe....
"Mathue" <mathu/e...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:021020001409429635%mathu/e...@my-deja.com...
> In article <8FC189CD8...@news.fysh.org>, Farlo
> <hall...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > >Kinda leaves me in a bind for obtaining an
> > >apartment when most apartments run $300-$400 a month
> >
> > I live in a less-than-savory part of my city, and feel damn lucky to be
> > paying $500 per month ... for a one bedroom apartment.
> >
> > Most apartments here run $650 per month, on average.
>
> Units in the same city I live in vary from $1300 on up into the
> +3000s. Granted, this is California and I'm not even very close to San
> Fran, but everything is clean, well kept/maintained and safe.
>
> Finding someplace in the $300-400 that's livable would be tough,
> even in the south. Don't forget the increase in energy prices.
>
>
> --
> MT - Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
>
> 101010
Brian O'connell
It means the Californians will be relocating en masse there next... Anyone
here remember when they were saying that about Seattle?
Low property costs! No income taxes!
AAAAANYONE remember???
Godamnned reality impaired people these days, you know, as a crafsman who
can provide a unique form of manual labor and skill, I have to honestly ask
what you white and blue collarseses will do when your skills and
capabilities go obsolescent... Think about it, I dare you, what will happen
to you, is what made me what I am today... Only problem is, for 90% of YOU,
it's hitting you betwen 18 and 25, and you know what else?
Chances are you'll blame it on me... Hahhh hah... Goddamnned predictable
(and for anyone who're humor deprived, gee, I would rather offer myself to
provide oral sex practice to great white sharks, than to offer any part of
my mortal being on the advice of a Burned Fur... After all, they blame
people like me for their status in life, why should *I* repeat *their*
mistakes, hmmmm?)
"Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
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Brian O'connell
in any sentance did I blame any of the "evil perverts of furrydom"... I
consider that a + in my scoring...;)
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> writes:
> Gee, my "evil spooge" contributes to perhaps .00000001% of the
> wasted tissue paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month
> on average for drawing it...
So howcome you couldn't pay your share of the rent and got thrown out?
--
"if Marylin Manson has more of an influence on a kid than the kid's parents
do, then maybe the parents need to look at how they're raising their kids."
-- Charlie Clouser, Keyboardist, Nine Inch Nails.
Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Kahnadah
> Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> > I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and
frankly, I'd
> > prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service,
>
> OK, starve. You made your choice.
>
>
Michael Pena
Beautiful country up there in Texarkana. I drive through on my way to
Mephit Furmeet and I always think my goodness this is gorgeous land!
Sincerely,
Michael Angel Peña(AKA Sparrow...A Rabbit)
Artist-Laughing Rabbit Graphics
http://lonestar.texas.net/~sparrow/sparrow.htm
"Kathmandu" <katmandu@/hat/vidnet.net> wrote:
>>
>> I forgot. =)
>>
>> Those prices are amazing - Ai Yi Yie! $1300???
>> *Faints from (imagined) loss of green*
>>
>
>
Michael Pena
Aha! A fellow Manpower alumni!
I agree with Jazmyn, they do tend to take a big cut but they do an
excellent job on getting you in. Most big companies will try people
out on a Temp basis as they feel it is very risky to hire someone
immediately as a full timer.
I understand the need for this tactic as we have had some real
headcases come in for work. Having them as Temps made them easy to get
rid of with no questions asked. The people that did a good job became
full timers in a relatively short time(normally after 6 or 7 months).
Manpower is great for those that do not have a strong resume. In my
case I was right out of college with no previous work experience and
the bottom had fallen out of the Aerospace industry (this was in
1995). Seven months later I was on full time at Applied Materials, a
Semiconductor manufacturing equipment maker. Then it was
another Two years of manufacturing work before I was allowed to be an
Engineer(what I was actually trained for, but in a different field).
So Manpower certainly worked out for me.
After 5 years of sitting at a desk looking at books, putting machines
together was actually pretty fun!
One highly skilled older fellow I know will take nothing but Temp
jobs. It affords him the flexibility to work for a few months, then
take a long break and work on his Studebakers.
So depending on a person needs, Temp work can be fulfilling on its
own, not just as a stepping stone.
Sincerely,
Michael Angel Peña(AKA Sparrow...A Rabbit)
Artist-Laughing Rabbit Graphics
http://lonestar.texas.net/~sparrow/sparrow.htm
Peter A. Schorn
> You are aware, of course, what that brilliant statement does, of course?
> It means the Californians will be relocating en masse there next... Anyone
> here remember when they were saying that about Seattle?
> Low property costs! No income taxes!
> AAAAANYONE remember???
So it's all California's fault now. ("Hey--ah made a funny!
California!...FAULT!...")
> Godamnned reality impaired people these days,
Yep.
> you know, as a crafsman who
> can provide a unique form of manual labor and skill,
When he chooses to work, which is seldom--sometimes not at all, even when paid
in advance.
> I have to honestly ask
> what you white and blue collarseses will do when your skills and
> capabilities go obsolescent...
Learn new ones. Even if those happen to involve flipping burgers. Because we
never expected anyone would provide for us.
> Think about it, I dare you, what will happen
> to you, is what made me what I am today... Only problem is, for 90% of YOU,
> it's hitting you betwen 18 and 25,
Actually, at 40, it still hasn't hit me. I walked out on a job I held for 18
years to go back to grad school and learn Ada, C, C++ and Java. Now I'm back
at work and making more money than I ever have.
> and you know what else? Chances are you'll blame it on me... Hahhh hah...
> Goddamnned predictable
No, we don't whine and mooch and blame other people like you do.
> (and for anyone who're humor deprived, gee, I would rather offer myself to
> provide oral sex practice to great white sharks, than to offer any part of
> my mortal being on the advice of a Burned Fur... After all, they blame
> people like me for their status in life, why should *I* repeat *their*
> mistakes, hmmmm?)
That's right, don't repeat my mistakes: you might end up like me, instead of
like Brian O'Connell.
--Hangdog
Atara
>
> Gee, my "evil spooge" contributes to perhaps .00000001% of the wasted tissue
> paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month on average for drawing
> contributes to 99.9% of the heart disease, morbid obesity, and the
> destruction of the human ideal of self determination, and YET that makes me
> worst than Hitler?
*shrug* You're reading what you want to read...
I rather like your "evil spooge." But if it's not enough to live on,
it's time to supplement.
It doesn't matter what pointless job you get - food service, factory
work, or stocking shelves at your local discount mart. A job's a job,
dude. Turning up your nose at the boring ones only tells me you don't
care if you get kicked out onto the street.
Brian O'connell
living (if you think I'm simply talking about cash, you're seriously
mistaken), and (c) hassles from the assholes who frequent this NG...
I don't care what you do for a living, if you were made to feel like the
scum of the earth because what you were doing (a) didn't fit 100% of what
you were told it should be, or (b) you were amde to feel like scum for
choosing to do it in the first place, would YOU feel particularly inspired
to work harder at it, let alone be inspired to work at ALL on it?
Furries tend to think that anything is negotiable as long as enough money is
thrown at it, but unless you have an ego of steel, being told you're scum
24/7 is NOT going to make you want to work harder at it, in any sense of the
word... Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, plain and simple...
Or do you think that the concept behind the Titanium Crowbar awards is
nothing more than a delusion? How many furry artists here would prefer to
know their work is worthwhile, rather than hear day to day how whatever they
draw makes them the worst possible examples of humanity? Anyone?
"Richard Chandler - WA Resident" <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
news:001002232...@mauser.at.kendra.com...
> In article <8rbnb5$ka9$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, "Brian O'connell" <
> furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> writes:
> > Gee, my "evil spooge" contributes to perhaps .00000001% of the
> > wasted tissue paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month
> > on average for drawing it...
>
Brian O'connell
working at McDonalds? OH! Because your level of technical expertise makes
you worth more? No excuse, start flipping them burgers boy, what's good for
me should be good for you... Technically I could network the cash registers
AT McD's, but since I didn't have the convenience of a college course or
mommy and daddy's money putting me through college, I lack the
certification... Of course the actual reading of this (as already has been
done) will be approximately the complete reverse of whatever I type, in
Hangdog's eyes, as it already is with other furries...
Sounds like these guys would take any legend who was down on his or her
luck and tell them to get a job flipping burgers, irregardless of who they
are... Ironic thing is, most of the legends that most refuse to mention in
the same breath with my name, were often in the same position as I am...
Puts me in higher company, honestly... So keep it up, keep giving me
justification to believe I am in the right, and you are in the wrong... God
forbid any furries ever figure out the concept of reverse psychology or
transferrance... Ahwell... I'm tired of wasting my time here, I have work to
do... Can anyone flaming me here say the same? (if you say it's me, then
you're far lamer than I am or could ever be)
"Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
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Farlo
>Well, come on down to Texarkana, Texas.
That DOES sound nice ... I just got a new job out here, though, and like
the local color.
Farlo
>It doesn't matter what pointless job you get - food service, factory
>work, or stocking shelves at your local discount mart. A job's a job,
>dude.
Totally agree. I've been there, for two years!
Gave my notice today - bye bye, Kinko's.
Hello, dot com graphic artist position ...
You do what you must to survive.
Farlo
>If you're in Beaverton, Oregon, I hate to inform you of this, but you
>probably are.
El cajon, california ... near parkway plaza
Akai
>
> Atara <at...@raex.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I 100% agree with Hangdog on this one. A job is a job is a
> > job, whether you're the CEO of a multinational corporation or a
> > greasy-fingered burger flipper. If it's a decision between pride, and
> > food on the table...
>
> basis. I wouldn't work foodservice for that reason. And you get treated
> like crap. I hear people from older generations waxing romantic of thier
> minimum wage stays at McDonalds, but I'd just rather stay on the customer
> side of the counter.
>
> --
> Baloo
The thing that food service is good for is to get enough customer
service (and possibly cash handling) experience that you can get hired
into a better job. A passable job while you are still living with your
parental units but definitely not a career. I've no fond memories of
that line of work...the pay and the hours were terrible, and I still
hate the smell of fry cookers. Glad to be done with that.
--
-Akai
"Life is like nothing, because it is everything."
-William Golding
Brian O'connell
cheap used RV, I can get a 19 footer for $1700... Easier to live in than a
box, and at least I can get a PO box for my mail/address...
<fer...@enteract.com> wrote in message
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> Brian O'connell <neuromanson_h...@home.com> wrote:
> : I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and frankly,
I'd
> : prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service, the pay's
better,
> : the customers are often the same and as patient, and at least I won't
have
> : to commute to work...
>
> So be it, but your situation sounds to me like one in which you pound the
> pavement every day and take the first job that comes along no matter how
> menial. You can always upgrade to a better one later and it's easier to
> get a job if you already have one in any case. In the mean time, you'd
> keep a roof over your head and food on the table. I don't know about you,
> but I'm rather partial to those two things and have been working a retail
> job to maintain them while looking for something more to my liking.
>
> It'll be doubly difficult to get a job with no mailing address and no
> phone so if I were you, I'd make a special effort while you still have
> access to both of those things.
>
> I wouldn't wish living on the street on anyone and this sure isn't the
> time of year to make that your only option given how close winter is. If
> that's what it takes to get your priorities adjusted, then go for it. If
> you coat a cardboard box with waterproof paint or wax, it'll last a
> remarkably long time. A good double walled one like home appliances come
> in would be the best. Be careful not to start it on fire with the
> makeshift burner you'll likely need for heat. You might start finding out
> where the shelters and soup kitchens are now so you can position your new
> home in a convenient location. IMHO getting a low end job for the time
> being sounds a lot less unpleasant and your current roommate has already
> indicated you could stay if you got one so you could pay your share of the
> rent.
Atara
>
> So why aren't YOU
> working at McDonalds? OH! Because your level of technical expertise makes
> you worth more? No excuse, start flipping them burgers boy, what's good for
> me should be good for you... Technically I could network the cash registers
> AT McD's, but since I didn't have the convenience of a college course or
> mommy and daddy's money putting me through college, I lack the
> certification...
It's obvious that you have a huge chip on your shoulder, so let me clear
up some misconceptions that you have...
I put myself through college by working a part time job in between
taking classes full time, and now I'm working hard so as not to default
on my school loans. It's $200, month after month, sent to two different
loan collection agencies. Mommy and daddy had no part in putting me
through school.
And flipping burgers isn't the only option. Others have mentioned temp
agencies, or cashier positions. I don't know about your area, but around
here trucking and transit companies are falling all over each other
trying to find drivers and dispatchers. Store stocking? Customer
service? There are lots of "toss away" jobs that can get you some money
until you get on your feet.
> Sounds like these guys would take any legend who was down on his or her
> luck and tell them to get a job flipping burgers, irregardless of who they
> are... Ironic thing is, most of the legends that most refuse to mention in
> the same breath with my name, were often in the same position as I am...
I don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about here. Perhaps you
should get more sleep.
Pheirat Multipurpose
> 'Course it ain't Paradise, bwah--it's TEXAS!!!
>
> --Hangdog ;o)
>
>
Hmm.. I thought you lived up north? Apparently the move south didn't
warm up your frigid attitude, just made you more hot headed apparently.
Anyways..
--
-- I am a ferret, small, cunning, and I like to get into things.
-- Do not step on me or I will bite and not let go.
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Before you buy.
Nduli
> Brian O'connell wrote:
> >
> > So why aren't YOU
> > working at McDonalds? OH! Because your level of technical expertise makes
> > you worth more? No excuse, start flipping them burgers boy, what's good for
> > me should be good for you... Technically I could network the cash registers
> > AT McD's, but since I didn't have the convenience of a college course or
> > mommy and daddy's money putting me through college, I lack the
> > certification...
That's not really fair Brian. A lot of us actually put ourselves through college.
I come from a single parent household, got my first afterschool job at 15 and my
mom charged me rent as soon as my first paycheck got to me(she was big on us
learning responsiblity, hated it at the time appreciate it now.). No hand outs
and I only recently paid off my student loans. My family was far from rich.
No one is saying just work in fast food, that's only one option among many.
Bluecollar jobs are nothing to turn your nose up to, they can help you get a
foothold for the time being and then when your situation is more settled you can
go looking for something more suitable.
It just sounded to me like you were completely broke and with homelessness
looming on the horizon. I can't imagine anything being more stressful than not
knowing if you'll have a place to live next week. But, perhaps what's stressful
to me is not as bad for you.
margaret
Ostrich
>
> You can always upgrade to a better one later and it's easier to
> get a job if you already have one in any case.
The Ferret's telling you the truth here, Brian. It's always easier
to get a job if you've already got one. There's heavy competition
for the desirable jobs. Having an entry-level job when you apply
shows that you've got at least some work experience, and are
able to show the basic behaviours expected of an employee. An
employer's taking less of a chance by hiring someone who's
already got a job. It's perhaps less than fair, but that's how it works.
I never worked in food service, so I can't say much there. I did
however spend a lot of time doing landscaping as a teen, and later
worked a couple factory jobs. They're enjoyable in their own way.
There's very little need to be alert or make lots of decisions in jobs
like that; and you're working alone most of the time, so that you
can spend your time daydreaming. Once you've learned the routine,
you can pretty much do it on autopilot, and use your brain for other
things. If one were given to creative writing, it would be an ideal job.
Also, if everyone hated and despised you, there'd not be so many
people trying to tell you what to do, you know. It's probably
annoying getting peppered with unsolicited advice, but everyone
(even Hangdog, when he's not being nasty) is trying to tell you
something that they think might help. You wouldn't be seeing that
if people didn't wish you well.
--
-Ostrich! <") http://www.furnation.com/ostrich
Brian O'connell
that schedule quite a bit, as well as clawing my way out of a depressional
state that's been with me since 1996... It's hard to be willing to perform
well, if whenever you do, you get slammed on for it... Maybe when I have
less net access, I can spend more time and effort in working on the
artwork...
The difficulty is, how do I go about filing for taxes with my art?
Washington has no income tax, and I need to declare my income in order for
it to appear in my credit rating... If I cannot do that, I cannot get an
apartment on my income alone, since as far as records show, I have *no*
income whatsoever...
Any suggestions?
<fer...@enteract.com> wrote in message
news:8rcmbr$28uk$2...@news.enteract.com...
> Brian O'connell <furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> wrote:
> : Gee, my "evil spooge" contributes to perhaps .00000001% of the wasted
tissue
> : paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month on average for
drawing
> : it.
>
> $800/month? Hmmm, that certainly ought to cover your share of the rent and
> buy food. Wouldn't be a lot left over of course. It sounds like a bit of a
> realistic budget is in order here. Let me give you the first rule: You
> budget the necessities first. What's left after that is yours to do with
> what you will. If there's nothing left over, well then cope with that (or
> get a higher paying or second job).
Brian O'connell
be a RV/Camper, or an apartment, since the apartment isn't an option (no
income declared, so I cannot prove a source of income in order to get an
apartment), and I refuse to have any more roommates, the RV looks
preferable... And I've had to live in such a situation before, so it isn't
much of a change for me...
"Ostrich" <ost...@fysh.org> wrote in message
news:8rcsqc$lao$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
Brian O'connell
> Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> And flipping burgers isn't the only option. Others have mentioned temp
> agencies, or cashier positions. I don't know about your area, but around
> here trucking and transit companies are falling all over each other
> trying to find drivers and dispatchers. Store stocking? Customer
> service? There are lots of "toss away" jobs that can get you some money
> until you get on your feet.
>
give me work... As for store stocking or customer service, I've looked
around for those, no openings... Trucking isn't an option either, I don't
have the qualifications (though some offer training, and I may be going into
bus driving)...
Brian O'connell
this point...
"Nduli" <nd...@home.com> wrote in message news:39D9F114...@home.com...
Wayd Wolf
> jazmyn wrote:
>
> > Personally, I would rather live in a box then work at McDonalds.
> > However, places like Manpower Temps exist to find work for people who
> > don't want to do food services. Sure, the temp services rip off people
> > terribly, but it gets my foot in the door of places where I 'might' be
> > hired on permanent for higher pay.
>
> Actually, I was with Manpower Technical for most of this year, and they
did a
> great job for me.
>
> --HD
It depends on your maturity level really. McDonald's and so on are
really civilian training grounds like military bootcamp where you learn to
do the job, do it right without delay, and learn to be trustworthy. That way
you can, when(if) you grow up, be trusted with jobs and tasks that have
something more riding on their being done correctly than a disgruntled Big
Mac customer.
At least, that's the way it is *supposed* to be.
For others, jobs like McDonald's are really settling for the lowest
thing which requires the least responsibility because the person in question
is too afraid(read cowardly in some cases) to face up to greater tasks and
trusts.
Manpower may sound nice, but it is for those in IT a minor sidelight. It
is STRICTLY for gaining exposure to software and hardware to put on your
resume. If you think that temping through Manpower, Tek Systems, etc., is
the key to a career, guess again. In the end, too many temp jobs make you
look like an IT loser who just can't break through to a steady position. I
know, because I've had a number of short term contract positions after which
permanent positions were closed to me because the managers thought I should
have had a permanent position already if I was so hot.
Some people in IT can be brutal and brutally stupid and not see that if
you had a permanent position already, you wouldn't be applying for that one.
DUH!
I was fired from a help desk position which I now think I was really
settling for at the time. It was at a real estate company through which I am
now buying my house. If it wasn't for that pompous, overstuffed, and
officious manager who canned me, I might not be making somewhere around $60K
in telecom now and able to get that house through his company, and gloat
that the people in the office still can't get their systems working right
because the crew I left behind still has less clue than I did. (evil laugh)
If you're in IT, and suck at HTML, can't do C++, and are bored senseless
supporting apps, I recommend more than anything else getting into networking
and telecom. Study for and get your A+, Network+, CCNA, CCDA, and Inet+
certifications. Not just for the stature it gives, but for the experience
that the studying gives you. A+ is a good idea because you will have to deal
with Ethernet cards and drivers and better be damn good with OS/software
issues. Learn the two major browsers back and front. Get the Sybex CCNA
Virtual Lab e-trainer from Sybex by Todd Lammle and William Tedder(about
$100) and practice Cisco IOS commands. Look on eBay and see if you can get a
Cisco 1605R dual Ethernet router which is good for DSL and cable modem
users.
Set up your own lan with some inexpensive switches and hubs. Cut, strip,
and crimp your own straight through and crossiver cables. Run you own lines.
Learn to wallfish. Read technical telecom and network books. Learn them and
use them.
Can't afford it by yourself? Go in with some friends and set up a test
bed lan wherever you have the most room. Over time, if you have broadband or
DSL connections, you can set mini lans at each site. Set up VPNs to test.
LEARN ROUTING AND TCP/IP PRONTO.
And above all, share what you have with others. As soon as I move, I
will be getting a RADSL line and an IDSL line from my company which in
concert with my cable modem connection will allow me to do a VPN and routing
test bed at one place and my local friends and coworkers will be able to stu
dy with me.
That's all I gotta say about things technical...
-Wayd Wolf, returning to studies before the late shift...
gbres...@my-deja.com
"Kahnadah" <no...@none.com> wrote:
> *sigh* Words of compassion and peace form the BF Gestapo, I take it.
Actually, I agree with Peter 100% on this one.
The two keys to succeeding at anything are: a) willingness to work, and
b) customer service.
I am not a wildly talented artist. I don't offer my artwork for sale at
cons. But, I make my living, fulltime, as a graphic artist. Salary,
benefits, five weeks of paid vacation a year, the whole nine yards. Not
because I'm better at the art than anyone, but because I do what I say
I'll do when I say I'll do it, I re-do it if the "customer" isn't
happy until the customer is happy, and I am pleasant to work with.
Over the years I've had opportunities to hire other artists to work
here. We often pass over people who are extremely talented BUT are also
unpleasant to even converse with or have shown themselves to be
unreliable.
There are places in the world where starvation is the only option. The
Puget Sound area isn't one of them. If a person is willing to work, and
if they can behave in a manner that makes their co-workers happy to be
co-workers, they can earn a living.
--
--Gene
"Everybody wants to be a cat, 'cause a cat's the only cat who knows
where it's at."
--O'Malley the alley cat, The Aristocats.
Peter A. Schorn
Advice won't work. Encouragement won't work. Shame won't work. They've all
been tried. Repeatedly.
Loans won't be repaid, commissions won't be completed, existing art won't be
sold. Brian O'Connell is just a black hole for other people's time, energy,
and money.
I say we leave him alone to disappear over his own event horizon. All in favor
say *plonk*
*plonk*
--Hangdog
Brian O'connell
out... Which I why I refused to listen to him in the first place... Hangdog
has shown nothing but hatred, closemindedness, and contempt for all the time
I've observed him... He had absolutely no intention of helping or advising
me, or doing anything remotely benevolent, in fact, anyone with one iota of
intelligence can plainly state, that if you can afford to move yourself and
your possessions over 2000 miles, then you sure as hell can afford an
apartment locally... So now he storms off in a pissy state of mind, because
his attempts to make me out to be a total idiot (I'm actually more a 50/50
idiot) failed...
Good going Scorn, you've proven every one of your critics right
*again*...
"Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:07FAB3751E007245.68E98A43...@lp.airnews.net...
Kathmandu
message news:8rbo88$ks0$1...@crucigera.fysh.org...
> You are aware, of course, what that brilliant statement does, of course?
> It means the Californians will be relocating en masse there next... Anyone
> here remember when they were saying that about Seattle?
> Low property costs! No income taxes!
> AAAAANYONE remember???
Yeah, sure. All these masses of Californians are going to descend upon me here
in
bum-phuck. It would be fine with me actually, raise my property values and wage
scale... wooohooo! Even if it does happen, it will be a bit in the future most
likely. Long after you are sitting there with your teeth chattering wondering
how you are going to find the money to refill the propane bottle in your RV. I
merely suggested coming down this way mainly due to the fact living here is
cheaper, perhaps delay the cardboard box and bare lightbulb a while. My
statement may not have been of the Einstienian or Hawkins level but neither is
the attitude you are showing to people who are trying to help you. Bad advice is
usually preferable to being ignored.
>
> Godamnned reality impaired people these days, you know, as a crafsman who
> can provide a unique form of manual labor and skill, I have to honestly ask
> what you white and blue collarseses will do when your skills and
> capabilities go obsolescent... Think about it, I dare you, what will happen
> to you, is what made me what I am today... Only problem is, for 90% of YOU,
> it's hitting you betwen 18 and 25, and you know what else?
>
What the hell are you talking about? Your skill is your ability to draw purdy
furry ladies with no clothes on... it's not a trade or even that much of craft
since you have a very limited customer base in a niche fandom. The fact that you
were able to make $800 a month at one time is fantastic considering most furry
artists are lucky to make that much in a year. I haven't made that much in 5
years. You are doing very well, even now, in a fandom with notoriously empty
pockets. $800 is still pretty low considering how much time you have to put into
a piece of artwork and how many you have to do. Starving artists starve, not
because they aren't talented, but because they are lousy businessmen. You have
made the choice to make art your profession but you are not making the money you
need to right? Then you need to find out what you need to do to change that
trend. Expand your repertoire, produce art more people will buy, produce art
that burned furs and mundanes will buy even. You have to adapt to survive or get
a day job, simple as that.
You know, I faced the very same problem you are when I was 23. I couldn't find
work, had no real skills and had no money for school. I had two choices, commit
suicide or join the military. Some days I wished I had opted for suicide while I
was in the Navy... Be that as it may, I did my time and received training that
to this day serves me well. I ain't rich by any means but it keeps me ass deep
in comic books, RC Cola and Moonpies. I am an industrial mechanic and I will
never become obsolete as long as machines are built and used. Also, who would
you rather have in your bomb shelter when the ICBM's launch, a mechanic or a
lawyer? I can always find a job somewhere because most people shudder at the
notion of being a mechanic.
But, just on the offchance it did become obsolete, I would train for another job
and in a hurry just like most everyone else faced with that situation.
> Chances are you'll blame it on me... Hahhh hah... Goddamnned predictable
Yeah, naturally. You must hate us so... You seem to forget about the time you
needed money and asked people to send a couple of bucks so you could move. I
sent my two bucks with no return address. Yup, you are hated and reviled by
everyone, even those who have offered to help you out this time. Even I, whom
you have lambasted on several occasions (including this one) dropped a subtle
hint that if you showed any interest at all and engaged in polite conversation
about coming down here, I could have been persuaded to let you use my spare
bedroom until you got on your feet. Do you think I would have wasted my time
writing this if I didn't at least care a little?
>
> (and for anyone who're humor deprived, gee, I would rather offer myself to
> provide oral sex practice to great white sharks, than to offer any part of
> my mortal being on the advice of a Burned Fur... After all, they blame
> people like me for their status in life, why should *I* repeat *their*
> mistakes, hmmmm?)
>
Um.. ah.. yeah, sure... :/
You mention something about legends Brian (in an almost incoherent rant
elsewhere) and how we treat them. That is so much bullshit. You let them bother
you, they see it and go after you some more because it's fun. You let a vocal
minority push you around and you let them get under your skin. It's even more
fun when you break into these semi incoherent rants and destroy artwork that
have them writhing on the floor with laughter. Every artist of any note has to
deal with the goofballs and clueless wonders that abound everywhere. With
everyone else who falls into the "normal and sane" crowd, it is generally a
reflection on how you treat them.
If I were you Brian, I would go to a junior college and gain some marketable
skill. You are a prime canidate for all sorts of grants and assistance programs.
It can't hurt to inquire, hell you might qualify for an art scholarship or two.
Brian O'connell
that I was being regarded in a condescending fashion... That combined with
the obvious level of stress I'm currently living under, is another reason
for my incoherant rantings... Making matters worst, as usual, I was under
mass assault by the folks on YiffNet, which didn't help my mood either...
As for living out of an RV, there is a simple way to do it, as I said, I
HAVE lived under such conditions before... RV parks charge a minimalistic
fee (usually $300-$400) to set up/connect your camper/RV on their lots,
providing electricity, sewage and water (and in some cases, free cable), and
phone hookups... Suitable for either short term or long term lodgings...
Other than the "condos on wheels" you'll spot weekend warriors cruising
around in (you know, the schoolbus size RV's), there's a great deal of
people who live on the road, relocating now and then using their RV's as
living quarters... And the cost of a lot easier to stomach... No credit
checks, and they also provide you with a mailing address... Hell, they don't
even care if you have provable income or not, or a job, all they care about
is your monthly lot payment being on time...
As for propane, once again, as I said, I've dealt with this before... A
cannister of propane runs around $6, usually enough gas to last a month, and
there's always the possibility of being able to stock up on multiple tanks
as well... Oh, and RV's are basically a motor vehicle merged with the living
quarters... Most of which can generate heat on their own, removing the
nessesity of propane heating in a pinch...
"Kathmandu" <katmandu@/hat/vidnet.net> wrote in message
news:8rdqq0$28o$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
Atara
>
> Trucking isn't an option either, I don't
> have the qualifications (though some offer training, and I may be going into
> bus driving)...
*grin*
If you do, let me know. I'll give you some tips on passing the PTI
portion of the CDL test. =) (120/90/40/0... Heh, still remember...)
Furplay
excuses like a lot of other furs were.
I mean, come on! Let's call a spade a spade here. Brian has at least two
places (three maybe if you counted darkitten, but she never even let him
get near the place, so that one may not count). He moves in, makes a
supreme jackass of himself, and gets booted. Oh, if Jerry Collins were
online to tell you his tale of woe...........
Brian should have *constantly sucked the dick* of the guy who, in spite
of BOC's rep, took him in under his roof. That person was either
unknowing of Brian's past, or was such a saint that he overlooked it anyway.
But, Brian is Brian, and will always be Brian. He takes advantage of
kindness, and when the welcome is worn away, he once again lands on the
sidewalk, ass-first. Oh, what a surprise.
He *claims* to want employment, but all he seems to want to apply for is
"couch warmer".
I have a friend who emigrated from Washington state to Pasadena to
attend a hard to get into (and VERY expensive) art college. He's got a
SHITLOAD of student loans to contend with now (and he better graduate
and get a good job with that diploma ASAP, cuz those loans won't
evaporate if he flunks out, which is VERY easy to do at such a
ballbreaker of a college), so he works part-time at a local art supply
store (hear that Brain? An *art* *supply* *store*. *You're* an "artist",
right? Why not that?).
But, I've never heard HIM do any whining, or blaming others, or excuses,
even though he too is being asked to move out by his roommate.
Wash your hands of the gadfly that is Brian O'Connell, people. You'll be
happier for it. He's kharmic poison.
Kahnadah wrote:
>
> *sigh* Words of compassion and peace form the BF Gestapo, I take it.
> Kahnadah
> "Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
> news:933DAA8724756053.B8C057BE...@lp.airnews.net...
> > Brian O'connell wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and
> frankly, I'd
> > > prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service,
> >
> > OK, starve. You made your choice.
> >
> > Psht.
> >
--
"There ought to be limits to freedom." -- GW Bush commenting about the
parody site at http://www.gwbush.com
Furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> Gee, my "evil spooge" contributes to perhaps .00000001% of the wasted tissue
> paper in the world, and I get paid $800+ per month on average for drawing
> it... But I prefer to avoid the degradation of working in an industry that
> contributes to 99.9% of the heart disease, morbid obesity, and the
> destruction of the human ideal of self determination, and YET that makes me
> worst than Hitler?
>
> Makes as much sense to me as Rush Limbaugh... And JEEEEEEZE does that make
> my head hurt...
>
No, a fully fed-up Rebecca Collins smashing your skull in with her
Shillelagh to get you out of the house (if Jerry had'nt stopped her)
would have hurt your head.
Furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
>
> Or do you think that the concept behind the Titanium Crowbar awards is
> nothing more than a delusion?
Considerring how much of a "Pharoh" you are (Kind of Denial/De Nile), yes.
Furplay
to give you advice. We're getting an insight as to why you got booted
from so many places.
Brian O'connell found a rock in the city park with an electrical outlet,
plugged in his PC, and wrote:
>
> Typical "BOC said it, so it MUST be wrong" rhetoric... So why aren't YOU
> working at McDonalds? OH! Because your level of technical expertise makes
> you worth more? No excuse, start flipping them burgers boy, what's good for
> me should be good for you... Technically I could network the cash registers
> AT McD's, but since I didn't have the convenience of a college course or
> mommy and daddy's money putting me through college, I lack the
> certification... Of course the actual reading of this (as already has been
> done) will be approximately the complete reverse of whatever I type, in
> Hangdog's eyes, as it already is with other furries...
>
> Sounds like these guys would take any legend who was down on his or her
> luck and tell them to get a job flipping burgers, irregardless of who they
> are... Ironic thing is, most of the legends that most refuse to mention in
> the same breath with my name, were often in the same position as I am...
> Puts me in higher company, honestly... So keep it up, keep giving me
> justification to believe I am in the right, and you are in the wrong... God
> forbid any furries ever figure out the concept of reverse psychology or
> transferrance... Ahwell... I'm tired of wasting my time here, I have work to
> do... Can anyone flaming me here say the same? (if you say it's me, then
> you're far lamer than I am or could ever be)
>
--
William Earl Haskell
> I'm working on it, but I need a way to ensure I have a home, whether it
> be a RV/Camper, or an apartment, since the apartment isn't an option (no
> income declared, so I cannot prove a source of income in order to get an
> apartment), and I refuse to have any more roommates, the RV looks
> preferable... And I've had to live in such a situation before, so it isn't
> much of a change for me...
Well, almost anything is better than an apartment, based on my own loathsome
experience - there were many many times when I was ready to abandon my
Apartment of Horror for a squatter's camp in the Addicks Reservoir (which is
usually dry land covered with dense brush - the perfect hideaway). With an RV,
if your neighbors are assouls, you can just leave.
William Earl Haskell
> In article <39da9721...@news.fysh.org>, Michael Pena
> <spa...@texas.net> wrote:
>
> > After all the youngster is following in the foosteps of giants. Anyone
> > remember from their history class when J.P. Morgan(aka the richest man
> > in the world) tried to run up the price of gold by buying all the
> > supplies in the USA. He was only partially blocked by the governemnt
> > releasing a huge part of the gold reserves.
> >
> > Heck, when I was young I was taught to admire J.P. Morgan. Why should
> > this 15 year old be regarded any differently?
>
> Hmm, I duno if we're talking about the same kid.
>
> He took penny stocks and spammed usenet, email and stock trading
> boards that these stocks were gonna skyrocket in value. Then he went on
> again using several sock-puppets who also chimed in. When the stock
> rose he sold off. He did it often enough that it got noticed and the
> SEC stepped in. You can't legally claim any rise in a stock, this is
> the sort of stuff that got EvenTemp in trouble.
>
> J.P. buying up gold is QUITE a bit different.
The Bass brothers in Dallas tried to do the same thing with silver (which is
also different, in a different way) - the problem is silver is an
*industrial* metal, used in all sorts of things, and is far more common. The
Basses wound up busted every which way. Awww...
To bring this thread back to a furrier path:
"In the tourist district of Ermita, dead mice lay on the sidewalks like
overturned trucks..."
- from Pico Iyer's "Video Night In Kathmandu" - in a section on
Manila - which I happen to be reading right now.
Akai
>
> Akai <ak...@teleport.com> wrote:
>
> > The thing that food service is good for is to get enough customer
> > service (and possibly cash handling) experience that you can get hired
> > into a better job. A passable job while you are still living with your
> > parental units but definitely not a career. I've no fond memories of
> > that line of work...the pay and the hours were terrible, and I still
> > hate the smell of fry cookers. Glad to be done with that.
>
> cleaner work if you don't get into foodservice there. I'm a public
> employee (and you live in Portland, so I thank you for my pay) working at
> the Zoo as a cashier/keeper type person at the Lorikeet Exhibit and the
> gift shops.
>
> --
> Baloo
Ahh, Lorikeets....nectar drinking devil-birds. Cool. Is it possible that
some of that tax money I'm paying you every two weeks could persuade you
to toss a snot-nosed toddler to the polar bears now and then? Always
wanted to do that.
Unfortunately when I got hired into the tourist attraction it was in the
food service department. Still not a bad place to start, just not
something that you want to do more than a couple of years. In any case
its better than starving.
Alan Kennedy (Trigem Olandarinse)
express somtimes)
Peter A. Schorn <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:933DAA8724756053.B8C057BE...@lp.airnews.net...
> Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> > I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and
frankly, I'd
> > prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service,
>
> OK, starve. You made your choice.
>
> Psht.
>
Peter, I'll say it once, and I'll say it again, your a fuckhead... no
beating about the bush or anything. Also, you're so pathetic that you'd be
able to dry up a wet dream, hows that?
Okay?
Yeesh.. you never give anyone a break and seize every oppertunity to shred
and rend anyone you dont' like, don't you?
--
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** Alan Kennedy,
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** ICQ: 8781052
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** AKA:TriGem Olandarinse, Thé £ùphra'NítÉ Bioroid
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** YAHOO: goldanthrowolf
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** WWW: http://www.furnation.com/trigem
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** E-MAIL: trigem (at) hotmail.com - text
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._**
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** Do the internet a favor, download a Metallica
´¯`·.|¸¸.·´|_._** MP3 so you piss them off.
Michael Pena
True the kid did a rotten thing manipulating the economy like that,
but then again we may now have a replacement for Allen Greenspan!
After all the youngster is following in the foosteps of giants. Anyone
remember from their history class when J.P. Morgan(aka the richest man
in the world) tried to run up the price of gold by buying all the
supplies in the USA. He was only partially blocked by the governemnt
releasing a huge part of the gold reserves.
Heck, when I was young I was taught to admire J.P. Morgan. Why should
this 15 year old be regarded any differently?
Sincerely,
Michael Angel Peña(AKA Sparrow...A Rabbit)
Artist-Laughing Rabbit Graphics
http://lonestar.texas.net/~sparrow/sparrow.htm
Mathue <mathu/e...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <8rbnl2$kgs$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, Brian O'connell
><furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
>> Wait a minute, a 15 y.o. was
>> able to completely manipulate the stock market under sheer proxy and alias
>> power alone... Mayyyybe....
>
> What's really annoying about thi 15 years old spammer is that the
>fine was nothing moe than a slap on the wrist. News articles quoting
>him seem to indicates that no lesson was learned. :/
>
>
>--
>MT - Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
>
>101010
Brian O'connell
to do the same... Good to see you're a man of your word, as always... Well,
you wanna play hardball, I have no choice but to respond to your lies with
the truth...
And I hear that Jerry has been telling stories about everyone, so he's about
as reliable as a 99 cent watch... Considering he lived on SSI for close to
10 years because he was "too crazy to work" (he tends to get really stressed
out when he can't smoke pot 24/7), I suppose he would be an expert on
character... Now if anyone out there *REALLY* wants to know why he tossed me
out, let me know, I know a hell of a lot more than anyone here, about what
was going on... Like a certain person calling him and whining he was afraid
to abandon his hamster, because his hamster reminded him of his mother...
OVER and OVER and OVER again... Jerry and I kept having to play phone tag
team to keep from going insane, because no more than 5 minutes after hanging
up, *ringringring*
Furthermore, anyone who could afford to move across the state/country could
obviously afford their own apartment... Something the likes of which would
require gainful employment long in advance of their moving, duh... Art
supply stores? There's one of those here, up in Seattle, which is about 30
miles away from where I am... So I have to make 60 mile round trips every
day to get to it, provided I could even find work there... But oh, like
Michael Hirtes has any experience holding a job? No wonder he likes sharing
and collaborating on little stories with Jerry Collins...
"Furplay" <mhi...@radiks.net> wrote in message
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> > "Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
> >
news:933DAA8724756053.B8C057BE...@lp.airnews.net...
> > > Brian O'connell wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sure as hell worth a lot more than food service, and
> > frankly, I'd
> > > > prefer starving while drawing furry art than food service,
> > >
> > > OK, starve. You made your choice.
> > >
> > > Psht.
> > >
>
jazmyn
jobs as San Jose, but a lower cost of living. They call it the Silicon
Hills.
Federal Income Tax is everywhere in the US though...
My house payments are $425.00 a month and my neighbors don't lock their
doors either...
I lock mine out of habit, due to being from CA..
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> You are aware, of course, what that brilliant statement does, of course?
> It means the Californians will be relocating en masse there next... Anyone
> here remember when they were saying that about Seattle?
> Low property costs! No income taxes!
> AAAAANYONE remember???
>
> Godamnned reality impaired people these days, you know, as a crafsman who
> can provide a unique form of manual labor and skill, I have to honestly ask
> what you white and blue collarseses will do when your skills and
> capabilities go obsolescent... Think about it, I dare you, what will happen
> to you, is what made me what I am today... Only problem is, for 90% of YOU,
> it's hitting you betwen 18 and 25, and you know what else?
>
> Chances are you'll blame it on me... Hahhh hah... Goddamnned predictable
>
> (and for anyone who're humor deprived, gee, I would rather offer myself to
> provide oral sex practice to great white sharks, than to offer any part of
> my mortal being on the advice of a Burned Fur... After all, they blame
> people like me for their status in life, why should *I* repeat *their*
> mistakes, hmmmm?)
>
> "Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
> news:F64878D773B463DE.BC312274...@lp.airnews.net...
> > > "Kathmandu" <katmandu@/hat/vidnet.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, come on down to Texarkana, Texas. It has the lowest cost of
> living in the
> > > >nation. It also has almost no crime. The guy across the street has
> lived in the
> > > >same house for 30 years and has never locked his doors. My house
> payments are
> > > >$308 a month for a fairly nice 2 bedroom with an attached
> garage/workshop and a
> > > >fenced back yard.
> > > >
> > > >It ain't paradise but it ain't bad either.
> >
> > 'Course it ain't Paradise, bwah--it's TEXAS!!!
> >
> > --Hangdog ;o)
> >
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Kahnadah
asshole. Welcome to Killfileville, Hirtes.
Kahnadah.news:39DAA13E...@radiks.net...
Furplay
Kahnadah wrote:
>
> Three seperate flames qualifies you as a troll to me, or at lease an
> asshole. Welcome to Killfileville, Hirtes.
As if I felt it.
Hey Brian. Loooks like I found a roomie for you. Seems to respect you
and everything. Try knocking on their door.
Furplay
Brian O'connell wrote:
>
> Hey Hirtes, I thought you had agreed to avoid harrassing me if I would agree
> to do the same... Good to see you're a man of your word, as always... Well,
> you wanna play hardball, I have no choice but to respond to your lies with
> the truth...
>
Swell! So you're gonna deliberately be a major asshole and commit
FEDERAL FRAUD by casting lies and accusations, as you had threatened.
Just goes to show how much of a mentally stable and trustworthy
individual you REALLY are. No wonder you get booted. Who wants to worry
about you finking them out on things overblown/made up, or perhaps even
planting a steak knife into their head while they slept?
> And I hear that Jerry has been telling stories about everyone, so he's about
> as reliable as a 99 cent watch... Considering he lived on SSI for close to
> 10 years because he was "too crazy to work" (he tends to get really stressed
> out when he can't smoke pot 24/7),
That's right BO. Keep flinging that "Jerry Collins is a druggie" talk.
At least HE fulfils his art obligations, and has a loving family (zilch
on both counts for you though).
> I suppose he would be an expert on
> character... Now if anyone out there *REALLY* wants to know why he tossed me
> out, let me know, I know a hell of a lot more than anyone here, about what
> was going on... Like a certain person calling him and whining he was afraid
> to abandon his hamster, because his hamster reminded him of his mother...
> OVER and OVER and OVER again... Jerry and I kept having to play phone tag
> team to keep from going insane, because no more than 5 minutes after hanging
> up, *ringringring*
>
Good God. You are SUCH a little snapping worm to be talking like that.
To take a tragic event and not only try to use it against someone, but
to even put a bullshit spin and add some made-up stuff to make it suit
your purposes.
Perhaps you never had to deal with the loss of a pet. In fact, I doubt
that you've had ANY respect for anyone or anything besides your own
arrogant self. That seems to what makes you the total bastard that you
really are down to the core. I don't know whether to loathe or pity you
for being such a soulless shell of a humanoid.
> Furthermore, anyone who could afford to move across the state/country could
> obviously afford their own apartment... Something the likes of which would
> require gainful employment long in advance of their moving, duh... Art
> supply stores? There's one of those here, up in Seattle, which is about 30
> miles away from where I am... So I have to make 60 mile round trips every
> day to get to it, provided I could even find work there... But oh, like
> Michael Hirtes has any experience holding a job? No wonder he likes sharing
> and collaborating on little stories with Jerry Collins...
>
Man, are are really such a total dick. Perhaps if you were less so, you
may be able to find a roommate. But, you mistake the word "roommate"
with "host organism" too often, thus the current state of affairs you're
in yet again.
Tell us, oh Brian. What happened at your previous location that got you
booted? Were you the victim of a conspiracy to keep you on the street,
or did you deserve what you had coming to you from acts of your own
selfishness and disturbing behavior?
Unlike Jerry and Rebecca, your former roomie is online and thus able to
confirm/debunk your story for all to see.
Tell us the truth, Brian O'Connell. What REALLY happened?
Inquiring minds wanna know.............
NeuroManson
on my own part... Don't like being caught lying? Try telling the truth
instead...
"Furplay" <mhi...@radiks.net> wrote in message
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NeuroManson
don't know how to file for federal taxes... With most employers, all the tax
hassles short of the generic form stating name, SSI# and whether I paid or
owed taxes from the prior year, are taken care of by payroll... Since I
never kept any real records of what I make from my art, proving income to
the govt is difficult as well...
As for IT jobs, I have no practical experience short of popping in a lan
card on a PC and configuring a small home based network... IT jobs also
require MSCE certification at the least, and Unix certification at the
most... Neither of which I possess, and neither of which I can afford...
The option of moving to another state is also outside of my abilities
right now... Such would cost at least $800, just to add a hitch to my car,
gas, and trailer rental, and whatever I'd need to pay for temporary
lodging... If I had that money in my possession, I could easily get an
apartment locally by just hedging my chances of moving in, by handing over a
few months rent in advance...
"jazmyn" <jaz...@firstlight.net> wrote in message
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Richard Chandler - WA Resident
price of his hookup sounds like about what he was supposed to be paying in
rent.
--
"if Marylin Manson has more of an influence on a kid than the kid's parents
do, then maybe the parents need to look at how they're raising their kids."
-- Charlie Clouser, Keyboardist, Nine Inch Nails.
Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
NeuroManson
fysh.org appears to be inaccessable...
"NeuroManson" <furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> wrote in
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NeuroManson
on the street, then I see little cause to rent another apartment
(considering I may not have a job at the time, I can at least put it in an
RV park on a weekly basis til I get back on my feet), especially with my
laughably poor credit rating...
Additionally, Damon won't be letting me stay here for more than 3 months
if I manage to cover my rent every month anyway... So irregardless of if it
happens in two weeks or three months, the end will be the same... I will be
homeless...
"Richard Chandler - WA Resident" <mau...@kendra.com> wrote in message
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Furplay
NeuroManson wrote:
>
> Actually, your response alone speaks volumes, I see no reason to respond
> on my own part...
Most likely because you know deep in that rotted carcass of your's, that
there's no way for you to explain away why you got booted without
admitting that it was because you were a total goofball.
You know something else? My smarter side tapped my shoulder just now,
remonding me that dealing with a *psycho* such as yourself will do no
good. Your thick titanium skull is impervious to reality. Anyone's
advice on how to get employment (even if it's just for a few measly
weeks until something better comes along) is going to be dismissed by
you. Well, they cared enough to try, which I have to admit was more than
I would be willing to provide, but that's because I know all too well
what your TRUE nature is like.
As I once said, you're kharmic poison to all you touch. I think it's
time for me to follow my own advice and stay as far the hell away from
you as can be possible. If you want to talk like a self-delusional
smartass some more, direct it to myh...@theheadisntlistening.com
Brian O'connell
Just not in this thread...
All the same, thanks for proving my point once again... *ker-PLONK!*
"Furplay" <mhi...@radiks.net> wrote in message
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Brian O'connell
party supplies, a quiznos, hobby supplies (not *quite* art supplies, unless
you count buckets of sparkles), smoke shops, and fast food pizza and
Chinese/Mexican food restaurants out the yinyang... Oh, and some
rent-a-centers, video stores, liquour stores, pawn shops, dozens of auto
dealers and auto part/tire stores... And a coupla Radio Shacks...
Remember: This is a budding suburb, it was previously rural no more than
10-15 years ago, when the urban sprawl was still slightly contained by
geography...
But as far as options go, I think I'll be going with the bus driver position
(gee, now I can be just like Ms Crabtree!), $10.75 an hour, I get a
commercial drivers license which allows me to drive trucks for pretty much
anyone in the three months of summer vacation, or whatever else pops up, and
basic medical coverage... And I could split the commute there with Grrolin,
and we'll both get a bonus for the referral, he gets $600, I get $300... I
dunno why I get a referral as the referred, but if someone's gonna throw
$300 at me, I won't complain, nopenopenope...
"Baloo Ursidae" <ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> Brian O'connell <furball1_(furball-one)_hates_s...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> > require gainful employment long in advance of their moving, duh... Art
> > supply stores? There's one of those here, up in Seattle, which is about
30
> > miles away from where I am... So I have to make 60 mile round trips
every
> > day to get to it, provided I could even find work there... But oh, like
>
> Somehow I don't believe that, when at least around Portland, you're never
> more than three miles from an art store. Check all the local strip
> malls. For that matter, just check all the strip malls for work.
>
> --
> Baloo
Kahnadah
busses in the US are like the ones here in Canada, keep yourself calm and in
a good mood all the time! Of course, there will be jerks on the transit
system, and I wish you luck in dealing with them. Just use my first rule in
dealing with the public: the ruder they get = the nicer you get. It confuses
the hell outta them if they're yelling and you're smiling! I hope you get
bak to drawing soon.
Kahnadahin message news:c_4D5.28384$cP6.2...@news.uswest.net...
Brian O'connell
3-4 hours in the middle of the day to get drawing done... And of course
there'll be a three month period where I'm not driving a school bus and
collecting unemployment legitimately (since of course I'll be back on the
job again in three months, for certain), I can always draw then as well...:)
"Kahnadah" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Artist
> Mathue <mathu/e...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, from what I've seen here, I'd rate you as acerbic.
>
> But like I said, I'm great at customer service. I just don't like stupid
> people.
Your not alone.
I personaly don't mind em. I just kinda smile and nod.
^_^
Farlo
>One was this moron who thought
>it would be alright to insist that I break a $100 immediately after
>opening before I had any customers. He wouldn't get the point until I
>told him to get out of my store before I call the MRP.
Good call. Some people have no "common sense". It is also possible that he
was attempting to "pass" a hundred.
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
Do not stand in my way -
I will walk around you.
m>^_^<m
Akai
>
> Baloo Ursidae wrote:
>
> >One was this moron who thought
> >it would be alright to insist that I break a $100 immediately after
> >opening before I had any customers. He wouldn't get the point until I
> >told him to get out of my store before I call the MRP.
>
> Good call. Some people have no "common sense". It is also possible that he
> was attempting to "pass" a hundred.
>
And some people just think a cashier is the same thing as a bank. I've
had the people who want you to break a hundred first thing in the
morning, and I've also had those who dump a pile of loose change in
front of you and expect you to trade it for cash.
--
-Akai
"The customer is always a right pain in the ass."
Wanderer
McDonald's!:) There are nop Burger Kings left out here ... they all got
bought up by Chinese takeout. And Wendy's wants experience ... :>
<shakes head> I'm just hoping the IRS calls back about the job ...
Yours wolfishly,
The unemployed,
Wanderer**wand...@ticnet.com
Where am I going?I don't quite know.
What does it matter where people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow.
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I*don't know!
Chris Johnson
<EE9EBF21C617A168.16B4C917...@lp.airnews.net>,
"Peter A. Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote:
> That's right, don't repeat my mistakes: you might end up like me, instead of
> like Brian O'Connell.
>
> --Hangdog
What if I don't want to be like either of you? :)
Jinx_tigr
(aka Chris Johnson)
Artist
> Artist <mell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Your not alone.
> > I personaly don't mind em. I just kinda smile and nod.
> > ^_^
>
> "thats great..." I've had a few that I've had to ask to leave (with
> varying tone) because of thier stupidity. One was this moron who thought
> it would be alright to insist that I break a $100 immediately after
> opening before I had any customers. He wouldn't get the point until I
> told him to get out of my store before I call the MRP.
See, thats where being a plebian comes in handy. I just call a manager.
^_^