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diespa...@best.com

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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Pedophile Crassus, child rape and murder fantatic, stepped in shit Saturday
night.

Turns out he was shooting his mouth off on IRC about his web page. When
a few individuals went and checked it out, they found a cache of child
porn. LOTS of child porn.

Lots of witnesses, and law enforcement is involved. Tapestries is probably
going to be involved, too, as Crassus was the head of the Treehouse, a
place where people who like to rape, mulitate and murder children can play
out their sick fantasies.

Tsk tsk tsk.


DishRoom1

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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Ick. That is sick. I don't condone child porn and murder myself and understand
what the athorities would to about it.

Jetstone Tigre Dish...@aol.com

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:

> Pedophile Crassus, child rape and murder fantatic, stepped in shit Saturday
> night.

Why'd you wait so long to post here Stukafox? Were you just waiting and
watching people scamper like idiots over this, or were you waiting to see who
slipped up first on this? I'm sure this would have migrated over here anyways
without your righteous intervention.

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Darrel Exline

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:
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> Pedophile Crassus, child rape and murder fantatic, stepped in shit Saturday
> night.

Somehow, I don't believe you are telling the truth... Crassus joined a
half-dozen other furries at the Wild Animal Park last Sunday, and then
Dinner at the Farrell's Restaurant afterwards. I didn't hear any
mention about a police action against him the night before... and juicy
gossip like that would tend to be the prime subject of conversation
among fen at a gathering.

--Darrel Exline (from work -- dont reply to this address!)

Peter Schorn

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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Darrel Exline wrote:

> diespa...@best.com wrote:
> >
> > Pedophile Crassus, child rape and murder fantatic, stepped in shit Saturday

> > night.<snip>


>
> Somehow, I don't believe you are telling the truth...

The incident took place as described: I was on the IRC channel in question when
it happened. Whether it was really Crassus or just someone using his name is
unknown to me. Likewise I am unsure of the connection between the site we found
and Crassus' site. I did not see the illegal material myself (all I saw was a
virtual directory full of broken links), but several others who were on-channel
with me said they did, and I believe them. So there was evidence of a crime,
yes. What information we could get in the short space of time the link was
active (it was very swiftly redirected) has apparently been passed on to the
proper authorities (I know nothing about tracing things and people on the
Internet, so I am not involved in this effort).

I hope whoever did this is caught and punished. Regardless of whether they're a
dumb pervert or a clever hoaxer, they got and used child pornography, and that is
revolting.

--Hangdog (Peter Schorn)


Crassus D.

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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"Peter Schorn" <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:38B46AC5...@pdq.net...

Guys, I'm not gonna get into this again, so I'll just post the URL to my
statement on the nice hunkin' big long thread that's on the BF bulletin
board:

http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb346894&MyNum=9513382
97&P=Yes&TL=951236790

If that doesn't work for you because of the lin being cut off, just go to:
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb346894 ...

... and follow the cascade of posts to where mine is.

Needless to say, I'm fine. Some people were paging me in concern while all
this stuff was being said about me, and I wasn't even aware any of this was
taking place. Stuka, stop slandering me. I would appreciate it. ('die,
pedophile, die', I know the routine.. yaddayadda..)

Thanks for the time. Now, back to the flaming! :D

--Crassus D.

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Jeremy

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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Gonna feels stupid here but what is the tree house and tapestries?

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Darrel Exline wrote:

> Somehow, I don't believe you are telling the truth... Crassus joined a
> half-dozen other furries at the Wild Animal Park last Sunday, and then
> Dinner at the Farrell's Restaurant afterwards. I didn't hear any
> mention about a police action against him the night before... and juicy
> gossip like that would tend to be the prime subject of conversation
> among fen at a gathering.
>
> --Darrel Exline (from work -- dont reply to this address!)

No.. I think Stuka just got his montly dose of crack again or something Darrel, I
think he must be bored and lonely and wants to something to start up again. ;)

Then again.. I could be wrong.

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Peter Schorn wrote:

> The incident took place as described: I was on the IRC channel in question when
> it happened. Whether it was really Crassus or just someone using his name is
> unknown to me. Likewise I am unsure of the connection between the site we found
> and Crassus' site. I did not see the illegal material myself (all I saw was a
> virtual directory full of broken links), but several others who were on-channel
> with me said they did, and I believe them. So there was evidence of a crime,
> yes. What information we could get in the short space of time the link was
> active (it was very swiftly redirected) has apparently been passed on to the
> proper authorities (I know nothing about tracing things and people on the
> Internet, so I am not involved in this effort).
>
> I hope whoever did this is caught and punished. Regardless of whether they're a
> dumb pervert or a clever hoaxer, they got and used child pornography, and that is
> revolting.
>
> --Hangdog (Peter Schorn)

As I said over on the BF list, I actually agree with you here Peter o.0 may the
heavens fall, anyays.. if ANYONE has a log of this IRC please forward it to me and I
can do some of my own sniffing around and perhaps I can find the necesseary info to
straigten this all out.

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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"Crassus D." wrote:
Guys, I'm not gonna get into this again, so I'll just post the URL to my
statement on the nice hunkin' big long thread that's on the BF bulletin
board:

http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb346894&MyNum=9513382
97&P=Yes&TL=951236790

If that doesn't work for you because of the lin being cut off, just go to:
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb346894 ...

... and follow the cascade of posts to where mine is.

Needless to say, I'm fine. Some people were paging me in concern while all
this stuff was being said about me, and I wasn't even aware any of this was
taking place. Stuka, stop slandering me. I would appreciate it. ('die,
pedophile, die', I know the routine.. yaddayadda..)

Thanks for the time. Now, back to the flaming! :D

     --Crassus D.

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     http://www.furryinfo.org/

As I said to Darrel Exline, I think Stuka just got his montly dose of crack again, or is just bored and wants something to stir up.  Who knows.. people, mostly furs, get weird ideas in their heads from time to time for entertainment.

Cloudchaser

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Jeremy wrote

>Gonna feels stupid here but what is the tree house and tapestries?

Tapestries is a m.u.c.k. (Multi User Character Kingdom) like FurryMUCK. I
haven't been on tapestires myself, but besides the treehouse, I've been told
that there's a castle there that the farther you go down in the dungeon, the
more sick and depraved it gets. Scat, pissing, voreaphilia, you name it.


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Taura

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:

> Pedophile Crassus, child rape and murder fantatic, stepped in shit Saturday
> night.
>

> Turns out he was shooting his mouth off on IRC about his web page. When
> a few individuals went and checked it out, they found a cache of child
> porn. LOTS of child porn.
>
> Lots of witnesses, and law enforcement is involved. Tapestries is probably
> going to be involved, too, as Crassus was the head of the Treehouse, a
> place where people who like to rape, mulitate and murder children can play
> out their sick fantasies.
>
> Tsk tsk tsk.

For goodness sakes, were there any actual children being abused in all
of this? What you just said dosen't involve any victims.

Now, I'm very against these sick things but I don't believe in white trash
witch hunts. That's way over rated and over done.

But whoever Crassus is, and the way he acted, I wouldn't mind if that
creature got his lesson.

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Crassus Destanion

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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> But whoever Crassus is, and the way he acted, I wouldn't mind if that
> creature got his lesson.

Err... Taura..? Acted when?.. kinda vague, there <:)

--Crassus

Crassus Destanion

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Jeremy <jdoc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Gonna feels stupid here but what is the tree house and tapestries?

Alright.. before I go to bed, I'll explain this once and for all.

The Treehouse is a place on taps for people with younger characters to come
hang out and stuff. It's modelled after many a young tale's "secret
hangouts", and the entire place's decor was almost entirely designed and
concepted by Lori'Anne as a place for her friends to hang out at. The walls
are painted with bright rainbow colors, lit rather brilliantly.. it's got a
fridge, a microwave, couch, bookshelf, some bean bags, etc. A few other
rooms are included for various scenes, and yes, of course the infamous
"basement" where those few individuals who care to act out non-consent
scenes can do so and not disturb the rest who aren't into it.

The treehouse is set within a glade in the northern forest near Whitefire's
mountain, a lake, a forest path, and a romantic secluded pool for skinny
dipping are nearby. ;)

The moon is always present around this place, as it's the keeper and
protector of the treehouse. Basically, picture the treehouse of the Lost
Boys from Peter Pan, and you got the general scenario.

There's probably some 30-40 evil pervs.. err.. children who live in the
treehouse and the surrounding trees, connected with rope bridges and a
lookout tower. People come and go through the treehouse, as it's open to the
entire MUCK's population if they should choose to visit. Both young and old
alike are free to visit.

Some yiffing goes on, but not always. Most of the time it's just plain'ol
conversation like you'll find anywhere else. No one's forcing anyone into
anything. Like I said, I'm one of the admins there.. (basically, I create
exits for people's rooms, tend to the message board, and listen to any
complaints or requests that come along in Lori's absence.)

For those who're listening to diespammerdie (Stukafox / Mike Beebe), Random,
Hangdog, etc. etc. who talk about rape and murder and the rest of that
bullshit, I got one thing to say. Try visiting the damn place, and I'll show
you around, and let you judge for yourself.

Yes, it's a haven. It's a haven from every single idiot out in the rest of
the world who condemn us, and persecute us, and even go as far as ruining
our lives for their own insecurities. Maybe a little roleplay is required to
release the tension that these assholes create for us. Call it sick or
perverted if you like, but for those who know what I'm talking about, you
can agree with me. Just like the rest of the good side of the fandom who
accepts those of different creeds, biases, preferences, etc., the treehouse
is there for those who need it.

I guess I'm going to hell for it.

--Crassus

diespa...@best.com

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Crassus Destanion <cra...@lionking.org> wrote:

: For those who're listening to diespammerdie (Stukafox / Mike Beebe), Random,


: Hangdog, etc. etc. who talk about rape and murder and the rest of that
: bullshit, I got one thing to say. Try visiting the damn place, and I'll show
: you around, and let you judge for yourself.

Dear lying pedophile,

Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be
posted later today.

You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and handcuffs
that are found in the main room.

The Treehouse of the Secret Moon is a place for people to act out
sex fantasies with children: it is the sickest of the sick.

You must have shit when you realized you left your childporn collection
open to world view. But pedophiles aren't the smartest people to
start with. You especially.

Enjoy.

Say, weren't you Merlino's boyfriend at one time? That wouldn't be
the year the FBI came sniffing around the con looking for some
exceedingly nasty and illegal video? Such things are a matter of
public record -- I'll have to see what I can find ou.


TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:

> Dear lying pedophile,
>
> Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be
> posted later today.
>
> You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and handcuffs
> that are found in the main room.
>
> The Treehouse of the Secret Moon is a place for people to act out
> sex fantasies with children: it is the sickest of the sick.
>
> You must have shit when you realized you left your childporn collection
> open to world view. But pedophiles aren't the smartest people to
> start with. You especially.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Say, weren't you Merlino's boyfriend at one time? That wouldn't be
> the year the FBI came sniffing around the con looking for some
> exceedingly nasty and illegal video? Such things are a matter of
> public record -- I'll have to see what I can find ou.

Okay proof positive that Stuka's logging into the mucks, to log, and 'blackmail'
people if you will. If this isn't proof, what is?

Quoth.. " Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be posted
later today."

I also belive that is breaking the law in some states, and a violation of
Tapestries AUP as well. I wonder who's steppin in the shit this time MIke.

Farlo

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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tri...@ohiohills.com (TriGem Olandarinse) wrote:

>Okay proof positive that Stuka's logging into the mucks, to log, and
>'blackmail' people if you will. If this isn't proof, what is?

Please just ignore him. The rest of us are ignoring him.

- Farlo

Crassus D.

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> Say, weren't you Merlino's boyfriend at one time?

Nope. :)

--Crassus

diespa...@best.com

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TriGem Olandarinse <tri...@ohiohills.com> wrote:

: Okay proof positive that Stuka's logging into the mucks, to log, and 'blackmail'
: people if you will. If this isn't proof, what is?


Uh, Alan, 'blackmail' would be 'I have film of you breaking into
a house. Give me $1,000 or I'll give it to the police.'


: I also belive that is breaking the law in some states, and a violation of


: Tapestries AUP as well. I wonder who's steppin in the shit this time MIke.


Making a log on a MU* is breaking the law? Jesus, talk about being
on crack (you need a new line, BTW, 'x is on crack' is a cliche' now).

Also, I'm not, nor would I ever want to be again, on Tapestries.

Enjoy your fantasies, but quit trying to instigate flamewars, please.

Thank you,

M. Beebe

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Farlo wrote:

> tri...@ohiohills.com (TriGem Olandarinse) wrote:
>
> >Okay proof positive that Stuka's logging into the mucks, to log, and
> >'blackmail' people if you will. If this isn't proof, what is?
>

> Please just ignore him. The rest of us are ignoring him.
>
> - Farlo

What, and let Mike get away with highway robbery here? This IS EXACTLY
the type of 'I don't give a crap' attitude that has me, and ALOT of the
Burned Furs, high pecking order artists and the ilk alike pissed off.

If Stuka can get away with casually 'threatening' to post 'supposed logs'
of activities because that 'he claim's' that Crassuss is a p3d0phil3 then
I should be able to go around 'claiming' that me, you and everyone else
in furry are nazisitc bible thumping retroactive skinheads, just because
I feel like it.

No..

People need to stop the 'I don't give a fuck, and lets ignore it'
attitude, that is the BIGGEST problem. Fuck, to say it NOT mildly,
furries REALLY need a swift kick of reality in their daily lives.
Somtimes I think some furs took BOTH the blue and the red pills for the
hazy purply effect or soemthing.

Furs NEED to take responsiblity for THEIR actions for being complete and
utter moronic idiots within the fandom. If your caught doing something
utterly moronic that threatens 'furry' and is inhabatens, you should be
pointed at virtually and real life, laughed at, and excomunicated from
it.

Screw being nice, politically correct about things, people need to stop
being slut guttering rectal warts and start doing something other then
'think about being critter x or critter y' and realize that you have to
live REAL LIFE before fantasy here. Yah.. its all fun and dandy to
pretend to be a dragon, wolf and what not. Face it.. its not going ot
happen. Its no fraggn' wonder people outside furry look at the large
part and shake their heads and call us stupid names, we deserve it.
Cripes.. this is a rant, but it is needed.

Go ahead and plonq me in your kill filters, bit whoppee do, that means I
won and you can't stand to hear the blatent, and raw egg truth about
furry. It sucks, and each day you 'don't give a fuck' about it, it gets
worse, and what you hold SO dear as I once did gets turned into a
depository for really moronic and sexual delinquents that is seems to
harbor anymore.

Hate me, Love me, I have a voice, I have a pencil and I contribute.. Can
YOU the reader do the same? If not, shut up, sit back, and enjoy your
daily does of wholesomoe vixen goodness in the best light you can,
sipping away at you spooge shake with your fingers in your ears going
loddy doddy doo!!

-spat-

Furry does deserve the image it has.

Thats enough from me for now.

Crassus D.

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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> Dear lying pedophile,
>
> Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be
> posted later today.
>
> You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and handcuffs
> that are found in the main room.

Oh, blow it out your ass, Beebe.. it's part of a ROOM DESCRIPTION, for
crying out loud. Besides, you also forgot the legos and GI Joes sitting next
to them. Anything to make someone look bad, huh? You're worse than a
tabloid.

--Crassus

David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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On 23 Feb 2000 05:59:03 GMT, diespa...@best.com
<diespa...@best.com> wrote:

[...]

>Lots of witnesses, and law enforcement is involved. Tapestries is probably
>going to be involved, too, as Crassus was the head of the Treehouse, a
>place where people who like to rape, mulitate and murder children can play
>out their sick fantasies.

Given that false accusations of this sort are commen, you of cause
have some sort of way of proving this don't you.

--
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http://www.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.

Jeremy

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:

> Crassus Destanion <cra...@lionking.org> wrote:
>
> : For those who're listening to diespammerdie (Stukafox / Mike Beebe), Random,
> : Hangdog, etc. etc. who talk about rape and murder and the rest of that
> : bullshit, I got one thing to say. Try visiting the damn place, and I'll show
> : you around, and let you judge for yourself.
>

> Dear lying pedophile,
>
> Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be
> posted later today.
>
> You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and handcuffs
> that are found in the main room.
>

> The Treehouse of the Secret Moon is a place for people to act out
> sex fantasies with children: it is the sickest of the sick.
>
> You must have shit when you realized you left your childporn collection
> open to world view. But pedophiles aren't the smartest people to
> start with. You especially.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Say, weren't you Merlino's boyfriend at one time? That wouldn't be
> the year the FBI came sniffing around the con looking for some
> exceedingly nasty and illegal video? Such things are a matter of
> public record -- I'll have to see what I can find ou.

DId i ask for you fucking biased opiion dipshit?!. Never reply to one of my
repplies or posts or i will hunt you down in real llife and beat you judgemental
ass silly. I dispise people who jump to conclusions. You dont have all the
evidence do you?!. No!! you only have hearsay. If you want to hear what i believe
and see how i thing there is a post abotusaving for the future where me and elf are
going at it. I will admit he has beaten the shit out of almost all my arguments but
still i will stick to my beliefs unless he can prove to me beyond any doubt i am
wrong. That is very hard but so far he has sued many reference i am unfimiliar
wiht and some jargon that is making me want to get a dictionary. He is a really
smart person. But i dont appreticiate his being synical. Everyone hos a right to
an opinion. No one can change some ones opinion right off the bat it takes time.
So if you post one more misguided grape vine reply i swear i will get my comp eng
degree in a year and destroy you pittiful existance.

The guy says he didn't know about it and in the states he is innocent until proven
guilty by a COURT appointed jury. So shut you friggin trap.

Elf if you are reading this i am going to nned some time to counter what you said
in that last few posts so please be patient and who knows i might find out for
myself you are right. But changing that type of self breed opinion and belief take
time if it happens at all. Sorry i cant continue it but i will be back and try to
pose a worthy challenge.

It was fun while it lasted.

Jeremy

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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I dont agree with the bf philosophy too much but some good points are made.
Poeple need to straighten out. What you do here can be thought by some
non-furs as what you wish you could do in real life. That is true about some
furs tho. What they do here they do it because they cant in real life but
really want to and would if given the chance. They are the ones bringing
down furry. But i dont believe for one moment that spooge in general is
bringing it down. If people get off on it good for them. In fact i like
spooge and all furry for the creativeness it has a good part of the time. I
enjoy the art because it is good not because it is a turn on. That might
contribute but hey getting rid of spooge is like getting rid of all net
porn. IT is not
gonna happen. I like spooge.

I think Sual Cullen is a great artist and yes i know who he is really. I
have no problem with it at all. I have a problem with pedophiliac spooge and
thats it. Furry is a place for people or at least me to live a second life.
I like to forget about reality and have fun but i dont forget about morals
and ethics. I think it is a way of living a more interesting life. i would
love to be an evil super villain as a furry but in real life i find that i
cant really resort to violence unless you hit my absolute limit. When that
happens you are gone look like american rabbit. Swollen puffy blue red and
will roll around in wheels. Not necessarily in a wheel chair may be in
stretcher like the ones in ambulances.

Some things are unacceptable and some thing shouldnt be mentioned. See no
evil hear no evil speak no evil. We cant try to control everyone thats
impossible and not realistic. I have not right to tell you how to behave.
Thats for the system administrator. If you want to be a sick pervert not for
fun or laughs but for getting off then you will soon find yourself shunned
from the community for being a dirty old troglodyte. I think that it is a
self cleaning system getting rid of the true sickos or at least meking it so
they hide away where no one goes. About those rooms in the mucks if poeple
ask the admin to do something i bet you the admin would. But forcing beliefs
and ideals on others is not the way to do anything.


Brian O'connell

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"TriGem Olandarinse" <tri...@ohiohills.com> wrote in message
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> Jeremy wrote:
<snip>
> Violence huh? Violence is a way of nature, a way of life. I'm suprised
there
> really isn't MORE voilence in the artwork that is created and or the
'products'
> of furry, considering they are animals, they are 'natural' just they are
evolved
> like humans, which in all right should make them even MORE violent and
prone to
> nature, not the buttery cheesecake stories that we always read about.
>
The amusing thing is, just like 30 years ago, people chanting "make love
not war" were getting their heads beaten in by people who wanted nothing but
war... And that still holds true today...

"The gun is good. The penis is evil"
Zardoz

Al Goldman

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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In article <38B56E6E...@ohiohills.com>, TriGem Olandarinse
<tri...@ohiohills.com> writes:

>Hate me, Love me, I have a voice, I have a pencil and I contribute..

And in all your years on AFF you still don't have the slighest idea of what a
troll is.

Al Goldman

diespa...@best.com

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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Jeremy <jdoc...@yahoo.com> wrote:


: DId i ask for you fucking biased opiion dipshit?!. Never reply to one of my


: repplies or posts or i will hunt you down in real llife and beat you judgemental
: ass silly.

I'm replying, dipshit, come get me.

M. Beebe

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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Al Goldman wrote:

> And in all your years on AFF you still don't have the slighest idea of what a
> troll is.
>
> Al Goldman

I know what a Troll is, and Stuka's one, I'm one and Random certainly is. Then
again, I might also be called a Heretic, Fascit, insert your favorite asshole
title.

I rant because I give a crap and am FED up with the state of thins and genuinly
give a rats ass about all this, which is to say ALOT more then the Burned Furs,
Stukafox and some others I have delt with.

I still stick with my "Furries don't give a crap" Ideals that I ranted about,
because it is TRUE, untill I see otherwise.

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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Jeremy wrote:

> I dont agree with the bf philosophy too much but some good points are made.

*snip*

> gonna happen. I like spooge.

I do as well, but theh problem is, as some would NOT like you to belive it is
EVERYWHERE no matter were you go, you get some sort of references or an indactor
to it. Its no wonder that furry has all the sexual dysfunctionals in it, because
they asked for it like a red carpet saying, 'here.. have some damn stroke
material and welcome aboard"

As I said, I love the shit, most of my HD is full of it, but then again, it is
ONLY that way because people felt the need to draw it, to appease those who seem
to have their overactive seuxal imaginations in hyperdrive.

Turn on or NOT, its still bad press and that is what furry gets, bad press.
*sigh*

> I think Sual Cullen is a great artist and yes i know who he is really. I

*snip*

> stretcher like the ones in ambulances.

I remembe when he went by his other name, his real name, that is how long I been
around to witness this stuff. He was sensational when he first arrived on the
scene, everyone was WOWed by it, now, its nothing more then sex for sell
artwork. I'm sorry.. that is the lowest form of artwork as far as I'm concered.
I see NO talent in drawing sex for money, if thats ALL you can do, then your just
as pitiful as some no-talent artist. Yes.. I'm an asshole, deal with it. The
REAL world is very very harsh when it comes to 'visual' aspects of what is scene
and what isn't.

As far as ethics and morality, I don't have much or man, but I do know that
morality and my common sense tells me something fucked up, something bad. Why is
that none of the pro artists go pro with furry? Its because they are afraid taht
they will ruin their careers before they even start by mentioning furry. Why?
Most people thing were perverts, and well fuck, most admit to it and carry that
moniker with pride and chin held hi?

Violence huh? Violence is a way of nature, a way of life. I'm suprised there
really isn't MORE voilence in the artwork that is created and or the 'products'
of furry, considering they are animals, they are 'natural' just they are evolved
like humans, which in all right should make them even MORE violent and prone to
nature, not the buttery cheesecake stories that we always read about.

> Some things are unacceptable and some thing shouldnt be mentioned. See no

*snip*

> and ideals on others is not the way to do anything.

That is the problem, don't see it, don't speak it, and don't hear about it. Over
and over again. The Burned Furs were good to blow the whistle, point fingers and
make a a general "HEY! There's a problem" when they arrived onto the scene. Too
bad I was a moronic dolt falling under the same veild cloud of 'loddy doddy
creamyness' that most furs reside under.

I am NOT for controlling anyone, but getting them to stop, realize that HEY! I
don't need to do 'things of questionable caliber' to make a buck, to express, or
to show off to everyone. Hell.. this is the Internet, you can share, distribute
and express things in MANY forms discretely without ever Tom, Dick, and Harry
nutsac out there looking over your shoulder going 'ewww' they like that!!

As far as getting shunned by the community for being a sick old troglydyte,
thats NOT going to happen. It HAS been my experience over the past couple years
that THOSE are the type of people that rise quickly within the ranks fo the
furrydom, it seems that GOOD artists who are picky and are apt to tell someone
off never rise, when those who agree with, and admonish all the crap and filth
rise quicker then the methane off a pile of dog shit.

As I say once again, I am NOT forcing ANY ideals on ANYONE, just letting them SEE
The hard fact that we are looked upno as sicko's, weirdos, and freaks, sexual
dysfunctionals, and moreso then any other fandom. As I posted, people need to
stop being gibbering idiots and act responsiblly and take a stand for what they
like.

I AM up on a soapbox and I'm NOT going to get down till something starts to
happen to make us look in a better light.

David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:24:02 -0500, TriGem Olandarinse
<tri...@ohiohills.com> wrote:

[...]

>I know what a Troll is, and Stuka's one, I'm one and Random certainly

>is. [...]


>I rant because I give a crap and am FED up with the state of thins
>and genuinly give a rats ass about all this,

Then you are not a troll.

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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"David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" wrote:

> Then you are not a troll.
>
> --
> Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
> http://www.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.

Some would undoubtedly think differently, or care :(

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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Brian O'connell wrote:

> The amusing thing is, just like 30 years ago, people chanting "make love
> not war" were getting their heads beaten in by people who wanted nothing but
> war... And that still holds true today...
>
> "The gun is good. The penis is evil"
> Zardoz

Brian, goodey toochuu crap gets abhorently sickening after a while :P I can only
stand so much cute and goey cuteness as much as the rest of the society, till
one snaps. Just some of us, like me, who aren't going to keep their traps shut
about it.

However.. I am not advocation for all artists to stop drawing cheesecake vixens
and start drawing them with machine gun braws and tactical nuclear weapons.
Just that a tinge more of realistic imagry are what people like me like, and I
plan on wokring on some myself, when I am done making my annoyling long posts
about stuff :P

As far as Zardoz goes.. HOLY SHEET! Someone else has seen that.. thats a
miracle.. haven't seen it in AGES though. Some of my story is based loolsely on
componets of that horrid flick.

Shon Howell

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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>Furs NEED to take responsiblity for THEIR actions for being complete and
>utter moronic idiots within the fandom. If your caught doing something
>utterly moronic that threatens 'furry' and is inhabatens, you should be
>pointed at virtually and real life, laughed at, and excomunicated from
>it.
>

Then what? We chase them out of the fandom... and what, do they evaporate? Or
will they simply continue to do their thing, all the while calling themselves
furries. Outsiders will still see these guys called "FURRIES" doing "bad
things". You lose again.

Shon Howell
"When confronted, the comic artist will puff his resume to 3 times it's actual
size in order to seem more imposing..."


Taura

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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diespa...@best.com wrote:

> Dear lying pedophile,
>
> Please enjoy the logs of your "innocent" activities that will be
> posted later today.
>
> You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and handcuffs
> that are found in the main room.

I agree that's very disturbing, appauling, and sick.

But there's a differance between doing something `totally ridiculous' and
doing something `totally ridiculous' to actually hurt someone.

You're throwing around what is typical white trash witch hunting and persicution,
that's by far more sick than throwing a bunch of little children into a room and
abusing
them because you're abusing literally everyone.

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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Shon Howell wrote:

> Then what? We chase them out of the fandom... and what, do they evaporate? Or
> will they simply continue to do their thing, all the while calling themselves
> furries. Outsiders will still see these guys called "FURRIES" doing "bad
> things". You lose again.

Did I say that?

NO.. people need to start being more considerate of others, and taking
responsiblity for their own actions. Cripes man.. the MAJORITY of furries are
adults.. that should say something. I'm not going to get up on a pedistal about
being the most grown up, or responsible person. However.. when conduting myself
as per furry and the image that furries have, I take a great responsible act in
keeping myself tactful and TRYING to keep things that 'shouldn't be seen out of
the light that considers them 'nasty' things. There is ALOT of people who don't
and don't give a crap about such. Those are the people we need to TRY to talk to,

get them to undestand that acting like a moron isn't a bad thing, nor being a
'pervert' and what not. Although.. doing it for everyone to see, or shoving it in

the public's face either via the internet or in person is NOT what furry needs to
be a kewl place to be.

There is ALOT of thought that hast go into such matters, and UNLIKE the Burned
Furs.. I am ONE person who actually gives a damn about the way things are, and are

not going around calling names and pointing fingers at speciffic individuals. I
just want peple to to look around, and comment on each other. People do not get
miffed as easilly if you nicely or gently ask them or tell them that perhaps
something is wrong or tell them the perple they are around are not 'kewl' with the

way the act.

Its a mish mosh of things, but as several of 'ancients' in furry have said, they
should have done' things ALONG time ago :P

Oh well.

Hate me, admonish me, or ignor me.. whatever.

G'day.


>
> Shon Howell
> "When confronted, the comic artist will puff his resume to 3 times it's actual
> size in order to seem more imposing..."

No.. they just drop out for a while :/

TriGem Olandarinse

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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Taura wrote:

> I agree that's very disturbing, appauling, and sick.
>
> But there's a differance between doing something `totally ridiculous' and
> doing something `totally ridiculous' to actually hurt someone.
>
> You're throwing around what is typical white trash witch hunting and persicution,
> that's by far more sick than throwing a bunch of little children into a room and
> abusing
> them because you're abusing literally everyone.
>
> --
> Sincerely

> -Taura

Stuka has proved without a doubt on numerous occasions to be an abuse to the human
race. It is sad actually, somtiems he actually has VERY VERY good things to say with
incredible meaning, then he flushes them all downt he crapper with crap like this.

it IS good to abhorently obssesed with something, but when it comes to 'heresay' it
is damaging to both parties. Either Mike, Stuka, doesn't care, or he just wants to
see his name up in print all the time, regardless of the consequences.

Spirou

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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> Guys, I'm not gonna get into this again, so I'll just post the URL to my
> statement on the nice hunkin' big long thread that's on the BF bulletin
> board,..
> http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb346894
> --Crassus D.
> Furry Information Resource
> http://www.furryinfo.org/


Hmm, looks like the thread was "Sanitized",...I can't find any posts by
you on the whole board, oh well,...

Whitiger Darkon

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Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
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Totaly off topic but.....
Maybe I am using the wrong font.... What is your sig file?!?!?!

Whitiger

Crassus D.

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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> > You forgot to include the describtion of the dildos and
handcuffs
> > that are found in the main room.
>
> I agree that's very disturbing, appauling, and sick.

To tell you the truth, I really didn't care for them either.. :) I don't
find it 'sick', though.. it's just a kink and I respect that. Remember,
these ARE adults behind the keyboards, here... you go to the lining or the
tavern, or even on FM there's places that have handcuffs. Lori was just
putting them there for effect, afterall. No one's forcing you to use them.
Hell, you want the handcuffs gone? I'll leave a mail to Lori about it.. I
still don't see what the big deal is, though. It's just a description.
They're never used anyways :P

Yknow this kinda reminds me of what was happening at Disneyland a year
ago... Inside Pirates of the Carribean they had pirates chasing the women
around in circles.. went on for thirty years and suddenly there's an outcry
because it 'depicted rape'... they changed the characters so the pirates
were chasing the food the women were carrying.. remember that? All
ridiculous, if you ask me. But that's life.. <:)

--Crassus

Crassus D.

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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> You know.. I never thought of it like that.. narrow-minded immaturity.. I
think you hit
> on something I have honestly overlooked. Damn.. perhaps that explains my
IRC belittling
> by a 'select' few of the burned fur upper crust, and associates.. Hmmm..
>
> Immaturity.. Furries..
>
> Nah.. never... ;)

This is all a bunch of childish recess nonsense, yes... reminds me of Lord
of the Flies, actually... anyone got a conch?

--Crassus

Crassus D.

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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> Wow, you're right.. hmm, there goes my statement, the statements made by
> other folks, the outcomes of those statements, and the various accusing
> posts made by Mr. Beebe.. heh.. you start a war, then you delete it from
the
> history books.. nice.. :)
>
> --Crassus
>
>

Crassus D.

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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Wow, you're right.. hmm, there goes my statement, the statements made by

Crassus D.

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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> Wow, you're right.. hmm, there goes my statement, the statements made by
> other folks, the outcomes of those statements, and the various accusing
> posts made by Mr. Beebe.. heh.. you start a war, then you delete it from
the
> history books.. nice.. :)

Lil' addenum:

Yknow, another interesting notion that I didn't think of, is also, the
difference in tone and wording he used against me in the AFF post compared
thar to the BF bulletin post... over there, he's soft and subtle, politely
asking the opinion of the people.. while here, he made his post appear to be
an official proclamation to the world that I was evil! :D (Not to mention
full of disinformation, exagerations, lies and just plain slander..)

Hmm. I wonder what his intentions are. Sadistic amusement? Seems like the
only type of person who would actually harm and rape a child would be his
type.

I'll stop blabbering, now..

--Crassus

Alan Kennedy

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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"Crassus D." wrote:

> Lil' addenum:
>
> Yknow, another interesting notion that I didn't think of, is also, the
> difference in tone and wording he used against me in the AFF post compared
> thar to the BF bulletin post... over there, he's soft and subtle, politely
> asking the opinion of the people.. while here, he made his post appear to be
> an official proclamation to the world that I was evil! :D (Not to mention
> full of disinformation, exagerations, lies and just plain slander..)
>
> Hmm. I wonder what his intentions are. Sadistic amusement? Seems like the
> only type of person who would actually harm and rape a child would be his
> type.
>
> I'll stop blabbering, now..
>
> --Crassus

Did you ever see the picture of Stukafox that someone had up? I still got it
save around somewhere, as he never did say it WASN'T him. He looks like a
'classical' case of child predator, but then again, alof of people do, just
funny to see a grown man, with a beard, glasses and a baseball cap wearing a
Sonic the Hedgehog shirt, just funny.. THen again.. my attire don't reflect I'm
all right either.

My favorite shirt todate has this on it.. "Bomb Technition : If you see my
running, try to keep up."

*sniker*

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Jeremy

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Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
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I suggest ending this post it seems to have gone way off the topic and into a
little butch seesion. If you want to have a bitch session there is a post i setup
for you to start subject "come here of your say". Escuse the incoherence in the
subject i was asleep when i woke up and thought of out of no where. Any ways most
of the original post is lost so no one really knows what you are supposed to be
bitching anout except those who replied to the original. Please follow this
suggestion. It will make the mud slinging and witch huntig easier :). Or you
could all take a chill pill for a while either way.


diespa...@best.com

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Crassus D. <cra...@lionking.org> wrote:

: Yknow, another interesting notion that I didn't think of, is also, the


: difference in tone and wording he used against me in the AFF post compared
: thar to the BF bulletin post... over there, he's soft and subtle, politely
: asking the opinion of the people.. while here, he made his post appear to be
: an official proclamation to the world that I was evil! :D (Not to mention
: full of disinformation, exagerations, lies and just plain slander..)


Crassus,

Show me one expample of slander or a lie, please.


: Hmm. I wonder what his intentions are. Sadistic amusement? Seems like the


: only type of person who would actually harm and rape a child would be his
: type.


Nice try, Pedo.


M. Beebe
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"By and large, furry fandom is, uh, Bi and large . . . "

-- Eric Blumrich

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