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Grygon's

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Aug 2, 2005, 3:54:14 AM8/2/05
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there's nothing wrong with it, i mark it down cause i'd like to get rid of
it... and i'm not one of those artists who asks for insane amounts of $ for
her art:
http://grygon.critter.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album19


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Brian O'Connell

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Aug 2, 2005, 6:58:38 AM8/2/05
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Depends on how you define "insane". Consider that artwork is a very
specialized skill, not everyone can grab a pen and pencil and instantly
produce a picture on a par with the big names in furry fandom (let alone
anyone in the art field).

Consider too, that said skills involves a relatively large amount of
investment (time, money, et al). An art school can cost upwards from $15,000
to learn just how to draw, then the materials can cost upwards from $200 a
month just to do the job, slightly less if you work on a purely digital
basis.

I doubt that anyone making less than $15 an hour has paid $15,000 to learn
how to do so, nor do they spend over $200 out of pocket to do same.

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Rick 2Tails

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Aug 2, 2005, 6:29:55 PM8/2/05
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Ah but there is one other aspect to the sale of art besides the skill and
expense an artist goes through. It is the demand for the product! It doesnt
matter how much you spend to learn to draw (but , be fair, some artists are
self taught .I wouldnt assume the avg artist has spent tens of thousands of
dollars to learn their craft) or how much you spend to create the art. If
you have limited demand for what you create ,then you have to sell for
whatever you are offered . (unless of course selling it isnt a concern .in
that case you can give it away to friends,relatives,or just hold on to it )
The bottom line is art is a luxury ,not a neccessity .An artist trying to
sell his wares can sometimes find few buyers ,esp if the local economy
leaves little for frivilous expenses. Of course this applies to selling
predrawn art which favors the buyer often. In getting an artist to draw for
the seller ,all of the pressure of demand is there but the supply is up to
the artist which leaves the pricing up to him/her.If the buyer wants to
commission an artist badly enough,they will pay anything they can afford (or
maybe more if the borrow or steal it )

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BR

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Aug 2, 2005, 6:53:27 PM8/2/05
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:29:55 -0700, Rick 2Tails wrote:

> The bottom line is art is a luxury ,not a neccessity

Art is food for the mind.

Grygon's

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Aug 3, 2005, 1:36:31 AM8/3/05
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"Brian O'Connell" <doge...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Consider too, that said skills involves a relatively large amount of
> investment (time, money, et al).

been drawing since before i went to school.

> I doubt that anyone making less than $15 an hour has paid $15,000 to learn
> how to do so, nor do they spend over $200 out of pocket to do same.
>

i earn much less, slightly less than $12 an hour, but am just about done
with my BFA degree thankyou. scholarships for the first few years, caring
parents until i finish (i pay for school, they give me a place out of the
rain).

i've heard of people getting art jobs from just portfolios, no schooling
whatsoever aside from their own inner passion to be an artist.


Brian O'Connell

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Aug 3, 2005, 3:10:52 AM8/3/05
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"Grygon's" <REMOVESP...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian O'Connell" <doge...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:dcnjnj$s9l$1...@urocyon.critter.net...
> > Consider too, that said skills involves a relatively large amount of
> > investment (time, money, et al).
>
> been drawing since before i went to school.

And drawing takes time, even if it's done as a labor of love. Time, as they
say, is money. And regardless of how much fun you have doing it, it's still
work. Lots of blood, sweat and tears goes into that process.

Kids who love to tinker sometimes gain some form of engineering position
(electro-mechanical, automotive, mechanical, assembly line), make up to over
$50 an hour, but does that mean they're charging an exhorbitant wage? No,
because it's a specialized skill, and not everybody can whip out a wrench
and rebuild their car's engine.

> > I doubt that anyone making less than $15 an hour has paid $15,000 to
learn
> > how to do so, nor do they spend over $200 out of pocket to do same.
> >
>
> i earn much less, slightly less than $12 an hour, but am just about done
> with my BFA degree thankyou. scholarships for the first few years, caring
> parents until i finish (i pay for school, they give me a place out of the
> rain).
>
> i've heard of people getting art jobs from just portfolios, no schooling
> whatsoever aside from their own inner passion to be an artist.

Not only is time money, as I previously stated, but materials are money as
well. Say you've been practicing and drawing since grade school (or
younger), and eventually got to the point where your stuff is marketable.
Say over that time as well, you've been paying for various mediums to work
in, just for practice and whatnot. Take a look at paint pricing, decent
paper (because most art jobs don't look for ruled notebook paper), ruling
templates, even the simplest of basic supplies are expensive. Hell, a full
set of Tria color markers alone runs around $799, hardly cheap (I've given
up on getting them, settling for just color pencils).


iBuck

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Aug 3, 2005, 8:22:58 AM8/3/05
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>Depends on how you define "insane".

$80 to get a scan of a pencil sketch 2 years later...

Brian O'Connell

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Aug 3, 2005, 8:42:15 AM8/3/05
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"iBuck" <lncra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Depends on how you define "insane".
>
> $80 to get a scan of a pencil sketch 2 years later...

Point taken, I'll have it done soon. Cheetah babe riding a motorcycle,
correct?


Grygon's

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Aug 3, 2005, 12:30:01 PM8/3/05
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"iBuck" <lncra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Depends on how you define "insane".
>
> $80 to get a scan of a pencil sketch 2 years later...
>

whoa. i feel your pain. except with mine it was a tail that i told would
be finished in 2 weeks and i waited over a year for AFTER paying.

OR: $400 for a piece that isn't even 9 x 9 inches? some artists will charge
an arm and a leg simply because they can, because they are zeh popular.


Grygon's

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Aug 3, 2005, 12:36:12 PM8/3/05
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"Brian O'Connell" <doge...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > been drawing since before i went to school.
>
> And drawing takes time, even if it's done as a labor of love. Time, as
they
> say, is money. And regardless of how much fun you have doing it, it's
still
> work. Lots of blood, sweat and tears goes into that process.
>

yes. i know. you're lecturing to the choir, bub.

> Not only is time money, as I previously stated, but materials are money as
> well. Say you've been practicing and drawing since grade school (or
> younger), and eventually got to the point where your stuff is marketable.
> Say over that time as well, you've been paying for various mediums to work
> in, just for practice and whatnot. Take a look at paint pricing, decent
> paper (because most art jobs don't look for ruled notebook paper), ruling
> templates, even the simplest of basic supplies are expensive. Hell, a full
> set of Tria color markers alone runs around $799, hardly cheap (I've given
> up on getting them, settling for just color pencils).
>

again, lecturing to the choir. i KNOW how expensive the materials are, i've
been buying my own quality materials since i could drive. i KNOW how long
it takes and that that time is money... so why am i even repeating it to
you... never mind.

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