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DishRoom1

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Nov 7, 2004, 4:52:40 AM11/7/04
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I've decided, that after a short leave from this newsgroup, I might return back
to see if everyone is that much different after Bush was re-elected, and that
Kerry, the wonderkid for many liberal furries both had so much faith in, had
lost, all in disregard of the polls and the heated debates and Hollywood, Mike
Moore, and "Rock the Vote".

Apparently, not much, sadly.

Many furries are still in their "Bush cannot win" mode" both in this newsgroup
and with also some good furry personalities like artist Chris Saywer.

While I respect other's views, I am dissapointed that hatred, fear and smear
still go on sharply in this fandom and on the outside just over one man....

For the first time in my life, I feel ashamed of being a furry fan.

As a man who loved cartoons and comics since being a boy, this fandom was a
cinch since it's almost like a Disney with a mature twist. At last I get to
meet and talk about my cartoon hobbies and entertainment to other adults
without feeling like I should be sent to the little kids' luch table.

The way there seems to be so many obessed Democrats in this fandom who are more
concerned about some guy in the White House than about some "furry=sex" trash
article, the magic seems to be gone all of the sudden.

I was behind you guys all the way, even though I had to tolerate any sexual
lifestyle you have, whatever your philosophy on life is, laughed at your dirty
jokes. Even as a Creation-believing Christian I even tolerated your religions,
or your secularisms with evolution beleifs. I defended you in your darkest
hours, when I held you up from the "Furry=sex" jouralists and TV shows, Shawn
Keller, the debates on porn and nude artwork. I also have the aspirations of
being a furry artist and writer inside the fandom. I also got to make a couple
of visits to Anthrocon.

And now, in return the thanks I get in return is by being labled as a
right-wing goof, a homophobe, a "bigot", a "religous nutcake", and other names
or accusations I can't think of at the moment. Wow, you're welcome. :-(

Oh, and by the way, I once drew a pic of a character for fan art for "Furry
Ninja High School" and I have not yet seen anything of it so far. What about
it, Mike and Carole? I also managed to get some art published in some furry
zine once, but I haven't yet since heard from the publishers anymore other than
giving me a free copy of the book with my art on one page.

Oh, and just incase you're curious, I'm still buying furry comics so far. I
still recieve in my comic-book pull box "Furrlough", "What's Michael" (a manga
comedy about a non-anthro cat), plus waiting for a new "David and Goliath"
comic anytime now, and any new "Rhu'purrt Prince of Fur" comic to come out soon
as well. I have also made new orders for two new seemingly-promising limited
mini series, "Wild Girl" (first issue to come this coming Wednesday) and the
all ages "Lions, Tigers and Bears".

I'm still doing something with my furriness, while you all mope around in
theries of Bush stealing away your right to have a light bulb in your
refriderator or something.

Sigh, maybe if I could leave the fandom and find others who would accept me for
what I am no matter how they disagree with me on politics or God. I don't feel
like I'm part of the family like I used to anymore.

John SHughart III

Caged_Horse

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Nov 7, 2004, 6:24:50 AM11/7/04
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Kory Anders asked:
>>And weren't you [dishroom1] leaving? You posted a long diatribe about
how you were leaving because everyone hated you and the things in which
you believed. It's important to stand by your convictions.

I commented (October 24th):
>I'm reminded of that old Daddy Bush joke -- saying "NO NEW TAXES!" was a
slip of the tongue, you know; what he meant to say was: "No, NEW TAXES!"

Replace 'taxes' with 'posts', and you've got dishroom1.

Replace it with 'draft', and you've got Bush Junior.


Liar, liar, Limbaugh-loving pants on fire...

The Vargr

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Nov 7, 2004, 7:54:25 AM11/7/04
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dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) shall never vanquished be until great
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

>Even as a Creation-believing Christian

>...


>And now, in return the thanks I get in return is by being labled as a
>right-wing goof, a homophobe, a "bigot", a "religous nutcake", and other names
>or accusations I can't think of at the moment. Wow, you're welcome. :-(

If you believe in creationism, you *are* a religious nutcake.

---
GAYPLAN - You'd Be Straight Without It!

Mike and Carole

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Nov 7, 2004, 8:13:32 AM11/7/04
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>
> Oh, and by the way, I once drew a pic of a character for fan art for
> "Furry
> Ninja High School" and I have not yet seen anything of it so far. What
> about
> it, Mike and Carole? I also managed to get some art published in some
> furry
> zine once, but I haven't yet since heard from the publishers anymore other
> than
> giving me a free copy of the book with my art on one page.

I will take a look this week (we're moving the storehouse from one facility
to another, just sent two comics off to the printer, doing my day job,
writing SHANDA, and working on an exciting proposal, but I WILL GET TO IT
THIS WEEK.)

So we gave you a free copy already? From your statement I can't decipher if
we ran it and gave you a copy or not.

As for "getting over Bush" we have a son that's draft age. Don't expect us
to get over it.

Mike

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 8:59:52 AM11/7/04
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"DishRoom1" <dish...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I was behind you guys all the way, even though I had to tolerate any
sexual
> lifestyle you have, whatever your philosophy on life is, laughed at your
dirty
> jokes. Even as a Creation-believing Christian I even tolerated your
religions,
> or your secularisms with evolution beleifs. I defended you in your darkest
> hours, when I held you up from the "Furry=sex" jouralists and TV shows,
Shawn
> Keller, the debates on porn and nude artwork. I also have the aspirations
of
> being a furry artist and writer inside the fandom. I also got to make a
couple
> of visits to Anthrocon.
>
> And now, in return the thanks I get in return is by being labled as a
> right-wing goof, a homophobe, a "bigot", a "religous nutcake", and other
names
> or accusations I can't think of at the moment. Wow, you're welcome. :-(

From what I've seen, furs are overwhelmly liberal.

Believing in personal freedom, tolerance, non-violence, preserving nature,
etc.

There's also very unrestricted attitudes about physical affection and sex; a
high number of homosexuals and bisexuals.

They also seem to be overwhelmly secular in their beliefs, sceptical about
religion, trusting scientific evidence over faith.

Since most christians and republicans seem to be against all of this stuff,
it's not surprising that you would recieve a lot of flack for supporting
them.

I think, what might be more constructive, would be if we would explain what
we believe in and why--rather than making blanket attacks. Understanding
each other is a good starting point to gaining acceptance.

Most likely, I think, we are all the same in our desires; just for one
reason or another, have chosen different ways to pursue them.

BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:41:04 AM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:59:52 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:


> Believing in personal freedom, tolerance, non-violence, preserving
> nature, etc.

> Since most christians and republicans seem to be against all of this
> stuff, it's not surprising that you would recieve a lot of flack for
> supporting them.

I'll let the above two statements speak for themselves.

> I think, what might be more constructive, would be if we would explain
> what we believe in and why--rather than making blanket attacks.
> Understanding each other is a good starting point to gaining acceptance.
>
>

That implies a desire to listen. Pardon me if I'm "skeptical" on that
score.

--
-- James Fenimore Cooper
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes,
knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.

BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:44:51 AM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:54:25 +0000, The Vargr wrote:

> If you believe in creationism, you *are* a religious nutcake.

If you believe Dave exists, you're a carmel cake.

Seriously Dave, lose the name-calling and the attitude.

mhirtes

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:47:27 AM11/7/04
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In article <20041107045240...@mb-m15.aol.com>,
dish...@aol.com (DishRoom1) wrote:

> I've decided, that after a short leave from this newsgroup, I might return
> back
> to see if everyone is that much different after Bush was re-elected, and that
> Kerry, the wonderkid for many liberal furries both had so much faith in, had
> lost, all in disregard of the polls and the heated debates and Hollywood,
> Mike
> Moore, and "Rock the Vote".
>
> Apparently, not much, sadly.
>
> Many furries are still in their "Bush cannot win" mode" both in this
> newsgroup
> and with also some good furry personalities like artist Chris Saywer.
>
> While I respect other's views, I am dissapointed that hatred, fear and smear
> still go on sharply in this fandom and on the outside just over one man....


1000 (and counting) American deaths in Iraq. That's one Hell of a lump
that's being swept under the rug.

And the notion that Bush "won" because America has a majority of
bible-banging loons who won't be happy until Jerry Falwell is declared
America's official mullah and the country becomes one giant christian
version of North Korea? OH yeah, We Who Can Still Think are just just so
happy about the Great Assimilation that is to come.

>
> For the first time in my life, I feel ashamed of being a furry fan.

If you supported Bush, than you have a lot more to be ashamed about than
being a furry fan.

>
> And now, in return the thanks I get in return is by being labled as a
> right-wing goof, a homophobe, a "bigot", a "religous nutcake", and other
> names
> or accusations I can't think of at the moment. Wow, you're welcome. :-(

If the hobnailed boot fits........

The Red Vargr Of Courage

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:06:28 AM11/7/04
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BR <brodr...@comcast.net> shall never vanquished be until great

Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

>If you believe Dave exists, you're a carmel cake.

Oh good lord, not that old "you can't prove that you exist so you are
TEH DUMB HA HA HA" chestnut.

The Red Vargr Of Courage

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:06:26 AM11/7/04
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BR <brodr...@comcast.net> shall never vanquished be until great
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

>> Believing in personal freedom, tolerance, non-violence, preserving


>> nature, etc.
>
>
>> Since most christians and republicans seem to be against all of this
>> stuff, it's not surprising that you would recieve a lot of flack for
>> supporting them.
>
>I'll let the above two statements speak for themselves.

Judged on the Example of Bush & pals, I would suggest that he is
right.

The Red Vargr Of Courage

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:07:22 AM11/7/04
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mhirtes <m...@spammersarescum.com> shall never vanquished be until great

Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

>> And now, in return the thanks I get in return is by being labled as a


>> right-wing goof, a homophobe, a "bigot", a "religous nutcake", and other
>> names
>> or accusations I can't think of at the moment. Wow, you're welcome. :-(
>
>If the hobnailed boot fits........

or THE OILED BLACK LEATHER JACKBOOT OF OPRESSION!!!!!!!!

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 12:32:55 PM11/7/04
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"mhirtes" <m...@spammersarescum.com> wrote in message
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> 1000 (and counting) American deaths in Iraq. That's one Hell of a lump
> that's being swept under the rug.

They died for a good cause though. They got Bush re-elected and made a lot
of people a lot of money. :)

Don Sanders

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Nov 7, 2004, 12:52:48 PM11/7/04
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In article <20041107045240...@mb-m15.aol.com>, dishroom1
@aol.com says...
Just keep in mind that there are some who noticed your leaving, and
return, and did not give any parting shots, or returning shots. I
for one don't value such things as coming and going as fodder for
personal attacks and such. I'm just another user of the newsgroup.
Welcome back, it is the least I can say.


> Oh, and by the way, I once drew a pic of a character for fan art for "Furry
> Ninja High School" and I have not yet seen anything of it so far. What about
> it, Mike and Carole? I also managed to get some art published in some furry
> zine once, but I haven't yet since heard from the publishers anymore other than
> giving me a free copy of the book with my art on one page.
>
> Oh, and just incase you're curious, I'm still buying furry comics so far. I
> still recieve in my comic-book pull box "Furrlough", "What's Michael" (a manga
> comedy about a non-anthro cat), plus waiting for a new "David and Goliath"
> comic anytime now, and any new "Rhu'purrt Prince of Fur" comic to come out soon
> as well. I have also made new orders for two new seemingly-promising limited
> mini series, "Wild Girl" (first issue to come this coming Wednesday) and the
> all ages "Lions, Tigers and Bears".
>
> I'm still doing something with my furriness, while you all mope around in
> theries of Bush stealing away your right to have a light bulb in your
> refriderator or something.
>
> Sigh, maybe if I could leave the fandom and find others who would accept me for
> what I am no matter how they disagree with me on politics or God. I don't feel
> like I'm part of the family like I used to anymore.
>

Maybe it would be a good idea to think of the fandom as not a place
to enter and leave, but a concept that can easily be put aside for
other things. Again, aside from that, welcome back.

(Note, I do make it a habit of welcoming back anyone, even if
sometimes the views they see do not go along with mind. In a genre
that tries to explore that which is beyond human, I'm at least trying
to be human... Can anyone else out there attest to that?)

--
Don Sanders.


Don Sanders

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Nov 7, 2004, 12:53:59 PM11/7/04
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In article
<a85f33b3b118ee3f...@localhost.talkaboutpets.com>,
oaco...@hotmail.com says...

And you are keeping score???

Don't mind me, I'm just baffled that anyone would even want to keep a
score card on who comes and goes.

--
Don Sanders.


Don Sanders

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Nov 7, 2004, 12:55:29 PM11/7/04
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In article <418e1aff...@news.individual.net>, dsaun12
@yahoo.co.uk says...

Hmmm, lets play a quick little game here folks...

If you remove creationism and replace it with any religion, what do
you get?

--
Don Sanders.


Don Sanders

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Nov 7, 2004, 12:57:31 PM11/7/04
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In article <pan.2004.11.07....@comcast.net>,
brodr...@comcast.net says...

> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:54:25 +0000, The Vargr wrote:
>
> > If you believe in creationism, you *are* a religious nutcake.
>
> If you believe Dave exists, you're a carmel cake.
>
> Seriously Dave, lose the name-calling and the attitude.
>
While he is at it, he should lose the name changing as well. It gets
hard sometimes to follow who he is sometimes that I mostly have to
rely on the message headers to know if it is really him or not.

Of course that would label me as being intolerant to name changing
persons.

--
Don Sanders.


BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 1:10:36 PM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:32:55 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:

> They died for a good cause though. They got Bush re-elected and made a
> lot of people a lot of money. :)

Gee, the cynicism seems to be deeper in this part of the stream. Guess
I'll have to put on my hip-waders, and a life vest. Never know when I
might step into a low point.

The Red Vargr Of Courage

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Nov 7, 2004, 1:16:56 PM11/7/04
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Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> shall never vanquished be until

great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

>Hmmm, lets play a quick little game here folks...


>
>If you remove creationism and replace it with any religion, what do
>you get?

A straw man.

you can belive in a relegion and not belive in the whole "god mad the
world in 7 days and evolution is not true" thing.

Richard dawkins, Stephen Jay Gould, they have all comprehensivly
attacked and destryoed the foundations of creatonism.

Basic Science dictates that creationism cannot be true.,

The Red Vargr Of Courage

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Nov 7, 2004, 1:17:00 PM11/7/04
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Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> shall never vanquished be until

great Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.

I always keep the "d s a u n 1 2 a t yahoo . c o. u k" e-mail adress.

So that you know it's me.

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 1:21:33 PM11/7/04
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"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:32:55 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:
>
> > They died for a good cause though. They got Bush re-elected and made a
> > lot of people a lot of money. :)
>
> Gee, the cynicism seems to be deeper in this part of the stream. Guess
> I'll have to put on my hip-waders, and a life vest. Never know when I
> might step into a low point.

*chuckles*

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 1:23:46 PM11/7/04
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"Don Sanders" <noo...@myemail.com> wrote in message
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> (Note, I do make it a habit of welcoming back anyone, even if
> sometimes the views they see do not go along with mind. In a genre
> that tries to explore that which is beyond human, I'm at least trying
> to be human... Can anyone else out there attest to that?)

By exploring that which is not human, we come to better understand that
which is human.

Spirou

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Nov 7, 2004, 5:10:35 PM11/7/04
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Nov 7, 2004, 5:12:55 PM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:23:46 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:

> By exploring that which is not human, we come to better understand that
> which is human.

And how well are we exploring all things non-human?

Might we find out that rocks have feelings, and clouds get depressed?

BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 5:19:11 PM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:16:56 +0000, The Red Vargr Of Courage wrote:

> Basic Science dictates that creationism cannot be true.

Well they say don't feed the troll, but...

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/01/1344237&tid=134&tid=14

Have at it Dave, and by the time you've read it all. We'll all have moved
to new digs, and left no forwarding address.

Juan F. Lara

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Nov 7, 2004, 5:38:34 PM11/7/04
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In article <HWpjd.423$ry5...@fe51.usenetserver.com>,

Dan Skunk <_@rogers.com> wrote:
>From what I've seen, furs are overwhelmly liberal.

I don't know that for sure.
The problem is that the people on this board who identify themselves as
"conservative" are overwhelmingly prone to flamer behavior. Insults, teasing,
hate-mongering. People like Skyfire, Antrhocoon, and RHJunior revel in that
like high school bullies. If there is a lot of hatred directed against them
they bring it onto themselves because of their offensive behavior. In contrast
I have a lot of respect for Rich Chandler and libertarian MMM. Those guys know
how to keep their cool. If most right wing posters had that civility the level
of hate in this group wouldn't be so high. And the left wing flamers that stay
flamers would be disregarded as they should be.

- Juan F. Lara
http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/intro.html

Silver Seams

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Nov 7, 2004, 7:14:47 PM11/7/04
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begin lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) quotation from
news:cmm85a$sg5$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu:

> I don't know that for sure. The problem is that the people on this
> board who identify themselves as "conservative" are overwhelmingly
> prone to flamer behavior.

Yes. The important bit being "who identify themselves as." There are
plenty of conservatives who are also conservative about what they post,
including leaving politics for a political forum.

(There are liberals who're like that, too. Wish there were more, of
both.)

--
http://www.silverseams.com/ - Fursuits, plushies, and other stuff
Currently on Furbid: Black and silver wolf tail
http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/auction.pl?alluser&Silver_seams

Don Sanders

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:03:13 PM11/7/04
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> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:23:46 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:
>
> > By exploring that which is not human, we come to better understand that
> > which is human.
>
> And how well are we exploring all things non-human?
>
> Might we find out that rocks have feelings, and clouds get depressed?
>
>
To quote the poetic bards of my time, or at least a part of my time.

"They say as men, we lost our tails, when we evolved from little
snails. Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D.E.V.O!"

:)

--
Don Sanders.


Felyne32k

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:06:42 PM11/7/04
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In article <cmm85a$sg5$1...@hubcap.clemson.edu>, lj...@ces.clemson.edu
says...
I don't know that it's that problem, specifically; I haven't been
around here long enough to know the history of who started heiling or
comrading first. What we have, though, is a sort of arms race of
flaming; there's so much emotional investment in painting the other side
as WRONG and STUPID (conservatives on liberals) or CORRUPT and EVIL
(liberals on conservatives) and avoiding the other guy's paintbrushes
that nobody's going to back down; if someone starts trying to be polite,
he'll just get steamrolled.

--
-Felyne32k, supposed "English Major"

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:22:57 PM11/7/04
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"Juan F. Lara" <lj...@ces.clemson.edu> wrote in message
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Hard to tell who started it. Sometimes it's a few liberals bitching about
right wing christian loonies with each other that get's someone offended.

Most of the furs I've met and talked to about the subject are liberal. This
is just what I see.

Dan Skunk

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Nov 7, 2004, 9:26:12 PM11/7/04
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"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:23:46 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:
>
> > By exploring that which is not human, we come to better understand that
> > which is human.
>
> And how well are we exploring all things non-human?
>
> Might we find out that rocks have feelings, and clouds get depressed?

Umm... No... Animals. Their behaviour, comparing it to our own. Examining
the simularities and differences; determining what we share with them, and
what is different.

Wanderer

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:14:15 PM11/7/04
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"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:16:56 +0000, The Red Vargr Of Courage wrote:
>
>> Basic Science dictates that creationism cannot be true.
>
> Well they say don't feed the troll, but...
>
> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/01/1344237&tid=134&tid=14
>

<snip>

And here, in a nutshell, is why I don't get involved in that sort of
discourse. To quote:

"And that's exactly why the whole creationism/evolution debate is pointless:
You can never prove or disprove that one didn't precede the other. An
argument can easily be made that God created all of it's creatures through
evolution. To wit, that God created evolution.

It's kind of like science proving that God is not real. The effort is meant
to fail because science cannot deal with God because it isn't designed to.
On the other side, religion cannot, for the most part, deal with science
because religion rests on a premise of faith which is by definition,
unprovable belief.

When both sides are not even supposed to have common ground on which to
argue, the creationist/evolutionist debate is a non-sequitur on both sides.
"

All I'll say is that, in my family, we hold that Creation and evolution are
compatible.

Yours wolfishly,

The Christian,

Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com

"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne


Wanderer

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:19:36 PM11/7/04
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"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> And how well are we exploring all things non-human?
>
> Might we find out that rocks have feelings, and clouds get depressed?
>

Of course! Surely you've heard of "The Little White Cloud That Cried"?

Yours with a wolfish grin,

The punny,

BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:40:15 PM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:26:12 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:

> Umm... No... Animals. Their behaviour, comparing it to our own.
> Examining the simularities and differences; determining what we share
> with them, and what is different.

Well we've stopped flinging feces. :)

BR

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Nov 7, 2004, 10:44:17 PM11/7/04
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:26:12 -0500, Dan Skunk wrote:

> Umm... No... Animals.

Oh I forgot. What about plants? If you prick a plant, does it not 'leak'?*


*Oh come on audiance. you get the reference. ;)

FuzzWolf

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"DishRoom1" <dish...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I've decided, that after a short leave from this newsgroup, I might return
back
> to see if everyone is that much different after Bush was re-elected, and
that
> Kerry, the wonderkid for many liberal furries both had so much faith in,
had
> lost, all in disregard of the polls and the heated debates and Hollywood,
Mike
> Moore, and "Rock the Vote".
>
> Apparently, not much, sadly.
>
> Many furries are still in their "Bush cannot win" mode" both in this
newsgroup
> and with also some good furry personalities like artist Chris Saywer.
>
> While I respect other's views, I am dissapointed that hatred, fear and
smear
> still go on sharply in this fandom and on the outside just over one
man....

Well, thanks for doing your part to keep the off topic political discussion
alive.

>
> For the first time in my life, I feel ashamed of being a furry fan.
>
> As a man who loved cartoons and comics since being a boy, this fandom was
a
> cinch since it's almost like a Disney with a mature twist. At last I get
to
> meet and talk about my cartoon hobbies and entertainment to other adults
> without feeling like I should be sent to the little kids' luch table.
>
> The way there seems to be so many obessed Democrats in this fandom who are
more
> concerned about some guy in the White House than about some "furry=sex"
trash
> article, the magic seems to be gone all of the sudden.

The magic is gone because some people care more about the presidential
election than they do about trash tabloid articles? Your priorities are not
in order.

>
> Oh, and just incase you're curious, I'm still buying furry comics so far.
I
> still recieve in my comic-book pull box "Furrlough", "What's Michael" (a
manga
> comedy about a non-anthro cat), plus waiting for a new "David and Goliath"
> comic anytime now, and any new "Rhu'purrt Prince of Fur" comic to come out
soon
> as well. I have also made new orders for two new seemingly-promising
limited
> mini series, "Wild Girl" (first issue to come this coming Wednesday) and
the
> all ages "Lions, Tigers and Bears".

This newsgroup isn't the sum total of all that's furry. Not being here
doesn't make you any more or less of a fur. It's good that you can still
enjoy your furry interests without having to be here.

>
> I'm still doing something with my furriness, while you all mope around in
> theries of Bush stealing away your right to have a light bulb in your
> refriderator or something.

I think most would agree with me that no one here has just one interest or
thing they care about. Just because some people are concerned over politics
and world affairs doesn't mean they're not still enjoying the fandom. For a
lot of us, being a furry means the same as being a trekkie or a whovian.
Star Trek fans don't ignore who's running for president in the US in 2004 to
pay attention to who's leading the Federation in the 24th century. Why
should we be any different?

>
> Sigh, maybe if I could leave the fandom and find others who would accept
me for
> what I am no matter how they disagree with me on politics or God. I don't
feel
> like I'm part of the family like I used to anymore.

I formed a mailing list for furs who are also Doctor Who fans. Why not join
one of the furry Christians groups? I know there are a few out there on
Yahoo. I haven't heard of any yet, but I suspect there's probably a furry
Republicans group somewhere too and if not, start one up yourself! I
understand the pleasure of conversing with other furs who share interests
with me other than the fandom, you could do the same.

>
> John SHughart III

Fuzzy


Don Sanders

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In article <nSAjd.493$ry5...@fe51.usenetserver.com>, _@rogers.com
says...
<SillyPrincemoment> "This is what it sounds like, when Doves cry."
</SillyPrincemoment>

Not trying to troll. I just need to release some repressed humor.

--
Don Sanders.


Wanderer

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