Many years from now in furry fandom you'll see...
Mike and Carole
...Jim Groat doing con badges to pay for John's AARP membership
....someone asking Taral Wayne when the next BEATRIX is coming out
...Brian O'Connell promising to get started on commissions real soon
....Mike Hirtes promising the latest news story will destroy furry fandom
....Sibe voted "Favorite of the Month" in Cell Block 14, Sing Sing.
...SFA still trying to make deadlines on comics
...people remembering the "good old days" of Confurence 8
...Kage's story hour runs into overtime when his Polygrip goes
...Adult Depends becomes vital part of older fursuits
Any other ideas?
Mike
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>Any other ideas?
Wandering, off-topic threads, flames and trolls on alt.fan.furry,
alt.lifestyle.furry, and alt.artificially-created.furry... as well as people
who accidentally cross post between them.
Continuing, unsolvable controversy as people who prefer the web find the latest
technological communications marvel -- home-based hyper-networked
virtual-reality simulation -- is bringing in lots of fresh blood to the fandom,
but the newer furs don't seem to care about or support the older methods.
And, of course, the sex vs no-sex debate rages on.
This is fun!
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"Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
news:10728442...@news.cyberback.com...
Fursuiters in rocket jetpacks flying over the Empire State building.
The next BEATRIX comic is released unfortunately Beatrix has traded her
mauve bodysuit for Depends...
The Funday Pawpet Show goes nation wide on Spike TV and is number 1 in the
Nealsons.
Someone getting around to actually burning the chair...
Furry writers gain the respect and admiration they deserve.
Darrel L. Exline
>
> Someone getting around to actually burning the chair...
If stories are to be believed, the chair being referenced is at Steven
Martin's house... This one can be arranged if anyone can convince
Steve to help.
--Darrel.
Bob Guthrie
dar...@polarden.org (Darrel L. Exline) wrote:
> > Someone getting around to actually burning the chair...
>
> If stories are to be believed, the chair being referenced is at Steven
> Martin's house... This one can be arranged if anyone can convince
> Steve to help.
>
> --Darrel.
It is?...
No, i just finished searching the house, studio and garage for that
oversized, infamious cream ("Eeeeew!.") colored chair,... No chair
matching the one in the photograph was located.
Had i, i would have set fire to it myself. >=)
BMG
MHirtes
If Steve featured it on Furbid with the rights to torch it, it would
make him a VERY wealthy man.
Mike and Carole
Mike
"Darrel L. Exline" <dar...@polarden.org> wrote in message
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MHirtes
Unless you call it a horror story.
In article <10729293...@news.cyberback.com>,
Paul R. Bennett
Kathmandu wrote:
> "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote in message
> news:10728442...@news.cyberback.com...
> > ...Terrie Smith doing commissions for pacemakers
> >
> > ...Jim Groat doing con badges to pay for John's AARP membership
> >
> > ....someone asking Taral Wayne when the next BEATRIX is coming out
> >
> > ...Brian O'Connell promising to get started on commissions real soon
Wait a minute here, isn't this part of Furry... TODAY!
> > ....Mike Hirtes promising the latest news story will destroy furry fandom
Well, as long as Furry's insist on sharing the details of their raging mad
love...
Publicly... Lesssee, how many bullets has furry ducked?
I kind'a figure that the Big Mo' of public relations is sitting off shore, it
ain't a' when those 16 inchers cut loose(and no, I don't mean what Furry wishes
they had in their pants.;)
> > ....Sibe voted "Favorite of the Month" in Cell Block 14, Sing Sing.
> >
> > ...SFA still trying to make deadlines on comics
Hey, not my problem, yours. One of those embarressing little reasons I have
such a harsh view of those holding an MFBA.
> > ...people remembering the "good old days" of Confurence 8
Is that like remembering "The good old days of Caligula"
> > ...Kage's story hour runs into overtime when his Polygrip goes
Now, while I have to say as how I have my own issue's with Conway, Curtis,
don't you think as that was a cheap shot? (silly question, I forgot Furry
Politics, see also SFA deadlines)
> > ...Adult Depends becomes vital part of older fursuits
>
> Fursuiters in rocket jetpacks flying over the Empire State building.
Uhh.... Jetpacks? Won't a dinner of beer and eggs work? If not, I figure,
mention Disney and Klingons should do the job.
> The next BEATRIX comic is released unfortunately Beatrix has traded her
> mauve bodysuit for Depends...
I just went into hysterics when I thought about that one. OTOH waving a used
Depends under the nose of a villian has a certain "air" of superpower about it.
> The Funday Pawpet Show goes nation wide on Spike TV and is number 1 in the
> Nealsons.
Be afraid, be very afraid
> Someone getting around to actually burning the chair...
Or being burned in the chair.... Ya' wanna get to throw the switch?
> Furry writers gain the respect and admiration they deserve.
Excuse me... that one? Have you ever read James Blish and his "Cities in
Flight" stories I am thinking the last of the stories when James Amalfy
becomes his own pocket universe. "Trimuph of Time" I think it was.
In any event we are taling a major restructuring of the universe, as well as a
major rethink of physical laws as would leave Stephen Hawkins and Albert
Einstein stunned. A concept that will exist in limbo until some great
physcist, millenia in the future, finds a reason to upset all our physical
laws.
On that day, everybody better grab hold of the street lamps, 'cause gravity
just reversed.
"Chester" is not the long sought graviton.
Past that we will not deveal.
Paul
M. Mitchell Marmel
"Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
> What is the story on the chair?
You don't want to know.
But if you absolutely MUST know...
http://www.somethingawful.com/cliff/ihateyou/page-177.htm
Don't say I didn't warn you, though.
-MMM-
Richard F. Thatcher
"M. Mitchell Marmel" <marm...@vrx.net> wrote in message
news:marmelmm-BB19D3...@velox.critter.net...
BURN!! BURN!! BURN!!! Strategic nuke! Phasers! Overloaded photon
salvo!! Heavy Romulan plasma torpedo barrage!!
Roadrodent
Mike and Carole
"Paul R. Bennett" <rf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3FF3CE4D...@bellsouth.net...
>
>
> > > ...Kage's story hour runs into overtime when his Polygrip goes
>
> Now, while I have to say as how I have my own issue's with Conway, Curtis,
> don't you think as that was a cheap shot? (silly question, I forgot Furry
> Politics, see also SFA deadlines)
No, we like Kage, look, we also made a crack at ourselves. It was better
than making another roach joke.
Mike
Steven R. Addlesee
ACK! You warned me, and I looked (that's NO way to start off the new
year). That's MORE of Kevin Duane than I wanted to know and/or see.
Did he lose a bet or something? Talk about self-promotion.
Steven R. Addlesee
MHirtes
If the Necronomicon had a centerfold, THIS pic would be it.
MHirtes
Legend has it that when he was staying at Steve Martin's house for a
spell, Steve stepped out of his studio for an errand or whatever, and
Kevin IMMEDIATELY stripped himself down, took a pic with (Steves?)
digital camera, and put his clothes back on before Steve got back. Kevin
then went around uploading the pic in his "Hey gals? Want some of THIS?
Come and get it, ladies." frame of mind, and the rest is infamy.
THIS is the kinda guy that furrydom attrracts, kids. Ain'cha so proud of
what you've done?
MHirtes
Hey, that reminds me. We all know how Kevin likes to take artists
illustrations and makes banners of it to sell at cons (fat chance of the
artist ever seeing a cut, of course). Wonder if maybe Kev might like a
dose of his own medicine if THIS pic of his got made into a poster or
banner, and the proceeds would go to the artists Kevin's screwed over?
Mike and Carole
Oh, THAT chair.
Maybe we can get 9 people from a con to take the chair from Steve Martin's
house and carry it to Mount Doom.
Say.....four rpg players, two fursuiters, a plushie, a publisher and an
authroity on the fandom.
Mike
J.P. Morgan
everywhere. "Masters of Furry Business Administration?" Gee -- his
lack of success must be caused by... by THEM, by golly.
("Paul" is afraid THEY will steal his tinfoil hat.)
MHirtes
"Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
> "M. Mitchell Marmel" <marm...@vrx.net> wrote in message
> news:marmelmm-BB19D3...@velox.critter.net...
> > In article <10729293...@news.cyberback.com>,
> > "Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What is the story on the chair?
> >
> > You don't want to know.
> >
> > But if you absolutely MUST know...
> >
> > http://www.somethingawful.com/cliff/ihateyou/page-177.htm
> >
> > Don't say I didn't warn you, though.
> >
> > -MMM-
>
>
> Oh, THAT chair.
>
> Maybe we can get 9 people from a con to take the chair from Steve Martin's
> house and carry it to Mount Doom.
>
> Say.....four rpg players, two fursuiters, a plushie, a publisher and an
> authroity on the fandom.
>
> Mike
>
>
"You have my plushie."
"AND my copy of ASB."
MHirtes
MHirtes <ht...@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote:
And the first scene I envision is Kage the Grey facing off against
"Bondage Balbob", and shouting "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!".
iBuck
>house and carry it to Mount Doom.
Lets see... from another thread way back when NJ appears to be mordor.. so,
where -exactally- is MT Doom...
I'd reccomend going by way of Philly, so Kage can play shelob at The Adams
Mark/Cirith Ungol..
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
Bob Guthrie
"Mike and Carole" <Shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
> Oh, THAT chair.
>
> Maybe we can get 9 people from a con to take the chair from Steve Martin's
> house and carry it to Mount Doom.
>
> Mike
According to Steve, the chair already met its demise a few years back
(Looked around once more, JUST in case.)
BMG
Brian W. Antoine
wrote:
>
>Furry writers gain the respect and admiration they deserve.
I thought the idea was to present items that were remotely possible? :)
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Legend has it that when he was staying at Steve Martin's house for a
> spell, Steve stepped out of his studio for an errand or whatever, and
> Kevin IMMEDIATELY stripped himself down, took a pic with (Steves?)
> digital camera, and put his clothes back on before Steve got back. Kevin
> then went around uploading the pic in his "Hey gals? Want some of THIS?
> Come and get it, ladies." frame of mind, and the rest is infamy.
>
> THIS is the kinda guy that furrydom attrracts, kids. Ain'cha so proud of
> what you've done?
Furdom has always had that problem for years. Slow to denounce or
cast out someone who's repeatedly troublesome because they're an
artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source of spooge art) or is a "good
draw". Yet again, they're VERY quick to cast out someone who isn't
one of them politically/socially/culturally. After seven years
('94-'00), except for ZonieCon (which has ALWAYS treated me well), I
realized I had gone as far as I could in furdom without selling out.
I retired after ConFurence XI. Now I'm a pro mainstream inker with a
couple assignments that are furry-related. Maybe I got off light.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> If the Necronomicon had a centerfold, THIS pic would be it.
I was about to say "you'll get th' chair f'r THAT one", but that's too cruel (heh).
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Maybe we can get 9 people from a con to take the chair from Steve Martin's
> house and carry it to Mount Doom.
>
> Say.....four rpg players, two fursuiters, a plushie, a publisher and an
> authroity on the fandom.
Replace one of the gamers with a certain writer/artist/INKER who
retired from furdom and lived in exile (worked for Aragorn). Hokay,
we have the Fellowship of the Throne. Does that mean Kevin will be
Gollum? (sh-boom...tsssss)
Steven R. Addlesee
DLNorton
Well'p..that's it..I'm sterile for sure...
Wanderer
<snip>
> And the first scene I envision is Kage the Grey facing off against
> "Bondage Balbob", and shouting "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!".
Hm... well, I'm a willing RPG player, so let's see... I suppose I could be
Strider.:>
<looks around> Darn it, no Arwen. Guess I'm Samwise.:/
Yours wolfishly,
The food-preparing,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Steven R. Addlesee
> Does that mean Kevin will be
> Gollum? (sh-boom...tsssss)
Since Kevin and Gollum were nakey or almost nakey, it would be appropriate.
Steven R. Addlesee
iBuck
>cast out someone who's repeatedly >troublesome because they're an
>artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source >of spooge art) or is a "good
>draw".
Funny, the rants about BOC have been going on for years. Some of the otehr
artists have had caustic tales spun about them... I don't see much sloth
there..
>Yet again, they're VERY quick to cast out someone who isn't
>one of them politically/socially/culturally.
Just what is 'one of them politically/socially/culturally' seems we have left
winger, right winders, gay, strate, bi, what have you, geeks technophobes..
hard to find someone whois still outside all that.. much less make them
move...
As for the subject, of the debate.. It's news to me that Duane's been cast out?
Dont see the speed there either... Heck there have been people like Mr.
Henderson who hve cast -themselves- out, but somehow haven't cleared the gate
yet..
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
[...]
> Furdom has always had that problem for years. Slow to denounce or
> cast out someone who's repeatedly troublesome because they're an
> artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source of spooge art) or is a "good
> draw".
Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
Don Sanders
dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
> carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Furdom has always had that problem for years. Slow to denounce or
> > cast out someone who's repeatedly troublesome because they're an
> > artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source of spooge art) or is a "good
> > draw".
>
> Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
>
in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
--
Don Sanders.
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Funny, the rants about BOC have been going on for years. Some of the otehr
> artists have had caustic tales spun about them... I don't see much sloth
> there..
Just because someone gets ragged repeatedly in a.f.f. doesn't result
in their getting run from furdom. Now when they're banned from
conventions or absolutely no one visits their table in the dealer's
room, that's when they ache, right in the wallet (part of why I left
furdom; I couldn't afford to spend hundreds o'dollars to make tens
o'dollars).
> Just what is 'one of them politically/socially/culturally' seems we have left
> winger, right winders, gay, strate, bi, what have you, geeks technophobes..
The politically/socially/culturally correct crowd is the (at the cost
of sounding like a certain radio talk-show host) is the leftist elite
that's dominated furdom.
> As for the subject, of the debate.. It's news to me that Duane's been cast out?
> Dont see the speed there either... Heck there have been people like Mr.
> Henderson who hve cast -themselves- out, but somehow haven't cleared the gate
Duane was barred from AC recently. At ConFurence XI, his table was
very much unvisited (I sat across from him in the dealer's room, so
that's not hearsay). Duane just hasn't realized he's pretty much done
in furdom. I realized it a few years ago.
Steven R. Addlesee
artist
<Shan...@cyberback.com> say...
<snip>
The status Quo perpetuated in new technologies.
(Seriously, the human element should remain fairly consistent for the
forseable future, and that's what creates the 'flavor')
--
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"Neither hope nor fear" - Isabella d'Este
"For to do either is to fall to the beast" - Joseph Richmond
"The Cow Kings a Bastard! Long live the Cow King!" - Joseph Richmond
Steven R. Addlesee
> Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
>
> Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
Amen. That's ONE method to unload someone. Then again there are some
"artgods" who've been slammed for years in a.f.f. and they're still
attending furrycons and being "worshipped". Some "artgods" seem to
thrive on their infamy.
Steven R. Addlesee
Akai
"? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}" <dfor...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message
news:m3wu89d...@dformosa.zeta.org.au...
> carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Furdom has always had that problem for years. Slow to denounce or
> > cast out someone who's repeatedly troublesome because they're an
> > artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source of spooge art) or is a "good
> > draw".
>
> Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
>
Lure 'em to a location with yummy donuts and load 'em into a trebuchet and
lauch 'em into the sea? I dunno.
--Akai
iBuck
>in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
From what I've seen, people seem to do a pretty good job of shooting their own
credibility, without any help...
>
>Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
They apparently do... perhaps it's because the number of people who are
actually hostile is pretty small, and the common intrests are overwhelming...
iBuck
>in their getting run from furdom.
Which was precicley my point...
>Now when they're banned from
>conventions or absolutely no one visits their table in the dealer's
>room, that's when they ache, right in the wallet (part of why I left
>furdom; I couldn't afford to spend hundreds o'dollars to make tens
>o'dollars).
I've heard of less than a half dozen bannings in this fandom, all of them at
AC, and -most- of them for the stupidy of publically documenting theirdrug
use...
As for making money, for me that's a pretty piss poor reason to be in a
fandom, or leave it.. I do the con thing myself, It makes it a lot easier to
afford certian events, but there's a lot of one's I'd do anyway...
>is the leftist elite
>that's dominated furdom.
RIIIIIGGGHHHTTT....
I've yet to se anything much 'dominate' this fandom, except in a few peices of
art, as for their being elite, perhaps, but by and large it's an earned
elitsm, fandoms tend toward meritocracies..
>Duane was barred from AC recently.
Several years ago is an interesting definiton of 'recently'
>Duane just hasn't realized he's pretty much done
>in furdom. I realized it a few years ago.
Buisness wise perhaps, and primarily because of how he handled his buisness,
as far as I can tell, he's still a member of the overall fandom.
Paul Johnson
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The 1 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0800, Steven R. Addlesee <carc...@atlantic.net> wrote:
> ACK! You warned me, and I looked (that's NO way to start off the new
> year). That's MORE of Kevin Duane than I wanted to know and/or see.
> Did he lose a bet or something? Talk about self-promotion.
Is that Kevin Duane? He looks more like Brian O'Connell. But yeah,
thank God Something Awful had enough sense of decency to strategically
place a black box...
- --
.''`. Paul Johnson <ba...@ursine.ca>
: :' :
`. `'` proud Debian admin and user
`- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system
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The Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:56:42 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I could see that as a compliment -- it would mean Kage's still in
> demand while he's reached an advanced age...
>
> Unless, of course, he shares the genetics of Dick Clark <G>
I could imagine...In the fall of 3003, Kage's disembodied head in a
jar a-la Futurama is the GOH at Conifur 3003, Dick Clark's head hosts
the bajillionth episode of New Year's Rockin Eve a couple months
later.
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: :' :
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`- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system
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> The 1 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0800, Steven R. Addlesee <carc...@atlantic.net>
> wrote:
> > ACK! You warned me, and I looked (that's NO way to start off the new
> > year). That's MORE of Kevin Duane than I wanted to know and/or see.
> > Did he lose a bet or something? Talk about self-promotion.
>
> Is that Kevin Duane? He looks more like Brian O'Connell. But yeah,
> thank God Something Awful had enough sense of decency to strategically
> place a black box...
No, Brian's oogy in his own right, but in a different style of ECCHK!
Friar Bacon and Friar Bungay
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>>is the leftist elite
>>that's dominated furdom.
>
>RIIIIIGGGHHHTTT....
>
>I've yet to se anything much 'dominate' this fandom, except in a few peices of
>art, as for their being elite, perhaps, but by and large it's an earned
>elitsm, fandoms tend toward meritocracies..
Sadly, I have now had to write off stephan Addlsee, as a right wing
crackpot for his delusionary fear of TEH EVIL COMMIES.
--
Take a ride on, ride on,
on your rotting horse
on that deadly ground
Take a ride, ride on,
on your rotting horse
with a pounding sound.
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> The Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:56:42 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > I could see that as a compliment -- it would mean Kage's still in
> > demand while he's reached an advanced age...
> >
> > Unless, of course, he shares the genetics of Dick Clark <G>
>
> I could imagine...In the fall of 3003, Kage's disembodied head in a
> jar a-la Futurama is the GOH at Conifur 3003, Dick Clark's head hosts
> the bajillionth episode of New Year's Rockin Eve a couple months
> later.
In the year 2525 - if furry fandom's still aliiive
if furry pr0n survives - they may fiiiind.....
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> I've heard of less than a half dozen bannings in this fandom, all of them at
> AC, and -most- of them for the stupidy of publically documenting theirdrug
> use...
I'm not familiar with the other bannings, just that Duane is/was
banned to where he was hanging out in the parking lot during one
event.
> As for making money, for me that's a pretty piss poor reason to be in a
> fandom, or leave it.. I do the con thing myself, It makes it a lot easier to
> afford certian events, but there's a lot of one's I'd do anyway...
If making money is a "pretty piss poor reason" to be in a fandom, I
guess there shouldn't be dealer's rooms at conventions.
> I've yet to se anything much 'dominate' this fandom, except in a few peices of
> art, as for their being elite, perhaps, but by and large it's an earned
> elitsm, fandoms tend toward meritocracies..
No, sorry, there's hundreds to thousands of posts in a.f.f. about how
Mark Merlino ran ConFurence, and we KNOW he's not a conservative.
> Several years ago is an interesting definiton of 'recently'
I heard it was more recent than that (usually about this time, someone
usually pipes up with the evidence. If there's anyone who can
document which year(s) of AC that Kevin Dunae was banned, please
disclose).
> Buisness wise perhaps, and primarily because of how he handled his buisness,
> as far as I can tell, he's still a member of the overall fandom.
If Duane's still a "member" of furdom, he's more like that uncle no
one mentions or invites to holiday dinners.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Sadly, I have now had to write off stephan Addlsee, as a right wing
> crackpot for his delusionary fear of TEH EVIL COMMIES.
Your choice, bub. Doesn't matter to me. Writing off each other is a
LOT better than arguing ad nauseum anyway.
Steven R. Addlesee
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
> In article <m3wu89d...@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
> dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
[...]
> > Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
> >
> Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
>
> Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
Mr Hirtis remains and S*b* remains so clearly that mathod is not
effective.
Charles Groark
> lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote in message news:<20040103114205...@mb-m01.aol.com>...
>>
>>Several years ago is an interesting definiton of 'recently'
>
>
> I heard it was more recent than that (usually about this time, someone
> usually pipes up with the evidence. If there's anyone who can
> document which year(s) of AC that Kevin Dunae was banned, please
> disclose).
IIRC, Kevin's banning occurred either during the 1999 Anthrocon or
immediately after. I will defer to someone entitled to speak officially
for Anthrocon: my memory may be failing.
Charlie
MHirtes
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} <dfor...@zeta.org.au> wrote:
> Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> writes:
>
> > In article <m3wu89d...@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
> > dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
>
> [...]
>
> > > Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
> > >
> > Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> > in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
> >
> > Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
>
> Mr Hirtis remains and S*b* remains so clearly that mathod is not
> effective.
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MHirtes
carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) wrote:
> lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote in message
> news:<20040103114205...@mb-m01.aol.com>...
> >
> > I've heard of less than a half dozen bannings in this fandom, all of them
> > at
> > AC, and -most- of them for the stupidy of publically documenting theirdrug
> > use...
>
> I'm not familiar with the other bannings, just that Duane is/was
> banned to where he was hanging out in the parking lot during one
> event.
Kage ought to draw a circle around the con hotel made of salt, just in
case.
>
> > As for making money, for me that's a pretty piss poor reason to be in a
> > fandom, or leave it.. I do the con thing myself, It makes it a lot easier
> > to
> > afford certian events, but there's a lot of one's I'd do anyway...
>
> If making money is a "pretty piss poor reason" to be in a fandom, I
> guess there shouldn't be dealer's rooms at conventions.
It is if making money is the ONLY reason you're hanging around in the
first place (Hi Romuz).
>
> > I've yet to se anything much 'dominate' this fandom, except in a few
> > peices of
> > art, as for their being elite, perhaps, but by and large it's an earned
> > elitsm, fandoms tend toward meritocracies..
>
> No, sorry, there's hundreds to thousands of posts in a.f.f. about how
> Mark Merlino ran ConFurence, and we KNOW he's not a conservative.
>
Mark Merlino should be HIRED by conservatives to help them get their
agenda approved. He's a walking stereotype who does more harm to gay
rights than good. One more appearence of him in his notorious purple
spandex bicycle shorts, and that Constitutional ammendment outlawing gay
marraige will be signed into law before the weekend is out.
> > Several years ago is an interesting definiton of 'recently'
>
> I heard it was more recent than that (usually about this time, someone
> usually pipes up with the evidence. If there's anyone who can
> document which year(s) of AC that Kevin Dunae was banned, please
> disclose).
>
> > Buisness wise perhaps, and primarily because of how he handled his
> > buisness,
> > as far as I can tell, he's still a member of the overall fandom.
>
> If Duane's still a "member" of furdom, he's more like that uncle no
> one mentions or invites to holiday dinners.
>
And DEFINATELY doesn't leave alone in a room with the kids.
MHirtes
Charles Groark <cgr...@comcast.net> wrote:
And, just out of curiosity, just what DID Kevin do to get banned (I may
have my own ideas as to why, but I'm curious as to the official reason)?
Karl Meyer
"Steven R. Addlesee" <carc...@atlantic.net> wrote in message
news:f86d0e99.0401...@posting.google.com...
> If making money is a "pretty piss poor reason" to be in a fandom, I
> guess there shouldn't be dealer's rooms at conventions.
It's usually not a good primary reason to be in one. I'm sure there are a
few artists and dealers making a living of their work in the sci-fi fandom,
but for most there isn't enough money in it to be a primary carreer. A bit
of extra pocket money is never a bad thing, but without a real interest in
the genre in question, I don't think the work associated with doing the con
circuit would be worth the hassle.
Markus Stehr
<SNAP>
... Scientists invites a method to cross yourself with your fav animal ^.^
So Long, The Werelion!
M. Mitchell Marmel
wrote:
> I could imagine...In the fall of 3003, Kage's disembodied head in a
> jar a-la Futurama is the GOH at Conifur 3003, Dick Clark's head hosts
> the bajillionth episode of New Year's Rockin Eve a couple months
> later.
And Kevin Duane's head sparks a "BURN THE JAR" movement... ;)
-MMM-
Don Sanders
dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
> Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> writes:
>
> > In article <m3wu89d...@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
> > dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
>
> [...]
>
> > > Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
> > >
> > Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> > in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
> >
> > Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
>
> Mr Hirtis remains and S*b* remains so clearly that mathod is not
> effective.
>
True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies. (at least that is
my observation on it. The other remains for he is trying to make a
name for himself in a bad way, an outlaw if you will for history have
shown time and again that sometimes the most popular figure is the
outlaw/robin hood type.
On a sidenote, the method is quite effective for common fans who
seeing this genre as a battlefield have left on their own, not saying
good bye, nor giving any indication they were ever here. One camp is
screaming that all the good talent is leaving the fandom, another
camp is voicing that their slightly unusual activities are not
hurting anyone. Nobody ever considers the folks in the middle who
sit on the sidelines and wonder how long it will take before they
have to decide which side they are on.
In this case, I would ask the question again in a different context.
Would you stay where you don't feel welcomed?
--
Don Sanders.
Don Sanders
ht...@jawholenewaddy.com says...
Sorry, could not resist. :)
--
Don Sanders.
Don Sanders
lncra...@aol.com.star says...
> >Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> >in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
>
> From what I've seen, people seem to do a pretty good job of shooting their own
> credibility, without any help...
>
> >
> >Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
>
> They apparently do... perhaps it's because the number of people who are
> actually hostile is pretty small, and the common intrests are overwhelming...
The same thing could be said for those who are lifestylers, and the
other undesirables in the fandom. Yet their small numbers were
enough to spawn a few movements. The interests are overwhelming, but
it still makes the genre less enjoyable with all the hostilities and
such.
--
Don Sanders.
MHirtes
Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> wrote:
> In article <m3brpjd...@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
> dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
> > Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> writes:
> >
> > > In article <m3wu89d...@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
> > > dfor...@zeta.org.au says...
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
> > > >
> > > Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> > > in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
> > >
> > > Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
> >
> > Mr Hirtis remains and S*b* remains so clearly that mathod is not
> > effective.
> >
>
> True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies.
Sour the milk? Hell, I wanna take a shit into the shake machine.
SOMEbody's got to warn people about you sadistic twinks, or Duane &
O'Connell will have a never-ending supply of pigeons to scam.
> (at least that is
> my observation on it. The other remains for he is trying to make a
> name for himself in a bad way, an outlaw if you will for history have
> shown time and again that sometimes the most popular figure is the
> outlaw/robin hood type.
Or, perhaps I just want to make you cretins as miserable as possible.
Serves ya right.
>
> On a sidenote, the method is quite effective for common fans who
> seeing this genre as a battlefield have left on their own, not saying
> good bye, nor giving any indication they were ever here. One camp is
> screaming that all the good talent is leaving the fandom, another
> camp is voicing that their slightly unusual activities are not
> hurting anyone.
Screwing a carnival plush toy is "slightly unusual"?
Wearing a badly-sewn fur costume with a hole in the front (and back) is
"slightly unusual"?
Going on to Jerry Springer with your wife the horse is "slightly
unusual"?
> Nobody ever considers the folks in the middle who
> sit on the sidelines and wonder how long it will take before they
> have to decide which side they are on.
The sane ones will wake up and escape. The freaks will just grow even
freakier to justify their sick behaviors.
Vore art. 'Nuff said.
Don Sanders
ht...@jawholenewaddy.com says...
*** Snip ***
> >
> > True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> > back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> > for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies.
>
> Sour the milk? Hell, I wanna take a shit into the shake machine.
> SOMEbody's got to warn people about you sadistic twinks, or Duane &
> O'Connell will have a never-ending supply of pigeons to scam.
>
First of all, unless you have some inside information about the
general population of the fandom, I'm sure a vast majority of them
are mature enough to fend for themselves and not needing some big
brother to tell them who to avoid and who to get friendly with. So a
few may get hosed, ripped off, whatever, unless some upper power have
granted you powers over right and wrong, let everyone else figure it
out for themselves. I am curious, who do you consider sadistic
twinks and regular folk? At this point all I am seeing is you
preaching to twinks and defeating your own edict. Which is which
Mikey?
> > (at least that is
> > my observation on it. The other remains for he is trying to make a
> > name for himself in a bad way, an outlaw if you will for history have
> > shown time and again that sometimes the most popular figure is the
> > outlaw/robin hood type.
>
> Or, perhaps I just want to make you cretins as miserable as possible.
> Serves ya right.
>
For the few that seem to have crapped things up for you in the
fandom, you seem to be directing alot of anger at those who may not
have had anything to do with your woes. You are not making alot of
friends this way, but for sure you are making more than enough
enemies.
> >
> > On a sidenote, the method is quite effective for common fans who
> > seeing this genre as a battlefield have left on their own, not saying
> > good bye, nor giving any indication they were ever here. One camp is
> > screaming that all the good talent is leaving the fandom, another
> > camp is voicing that their slightly unusual activities are not
> > hurting anyone.
>
> Screwing a carnival plush toy is "slightly unusual"?
Depends on one's definition. As long as such an act is not
televised, in public, in plain view, whatever, it is not like they
are holding a gun to your head. (although that later thought would
invoke some folks to wish to be the one holding the gun to said head
:) )
>
> Wearing a badly-sewn fur costume with a hole in the front (and back) is
> "slightly unusual"?
>
Again, done in closed conditions, not for public consumption. Of
course I gotta take into account the various programs and
publications that featured those acts, but then again, it is just
entertainment, only those with weak wills would cconsider that as
being totally factual and a real threat. Then again, frantics live
for stuff like that.
> Going on to Jerry Springer with your wife the horse is "slightly
> unusual"?
>
Old news, and such would remain old news if it was left buried and
folks go about their lives without having to rehash it countless
times. (of course if it is your only means to gain attention, by all
means sprout away.)
> > Nobody ever considers the folks in the middle who
> > sit on the sidelines and wonder how long it will take before they
> > have to decide which side they are on.
>
> The sane ones will wake up and escape. The freaks will just grow even
> freakier to justify their sick behaviors.
Then I would gather that you are not quite sane, or else you would
have woken up and escaped. I would think that by your reaction,
things can't get any freakier.
>
> Vore art. 'Nuff said.
>
Ok, you may have a point there, but by your obsessive screaming, that
would make places like Yerf, a haven for vore art. Funny, don't see
anyone eating anyone there.
--
Don Sanders.
Steven R. Addlesee
> case.
(in Roscoe P. Coltrane voice) hoo yeah, that's a good 'un.
> It is if making money is the ONLY reason you're hanging around in the
> first place (Hi Romuz).
If dealers and artists aren't allowed to make money in furdom, then
there shouldn't be a dealer's room, art auctions, etc. I remember at
a ConFurence when a dealer told me if he didn't make over a grand by
Friday evening, then he was going home as there was no point in him
being there.
A grand???!! I did f'n' fantastic if I made over a c-note in sales
and commissions for the whole convention.
> Mark Merlino should be HIRED by conservatives to help them get their
> agenda approved. He's a walking stereotype who does more harm to gay
> rights than good. One more appearence of him in his notorious purple
> spandex bicycle shorts, and that Constitutional ammendment outlawing gay
> marraige will be signed into law before the weekend is out.
Or him going off when asked a simple and civil question (remembering
when he went off on me and threatened to have me chucked outta
ConFurence and furdom because I called and asked him if there was an
800-number or website to the BOE (I lived in Utah, not California)).
Good thing these days I don't NEED to make $$$ in my comic art career
to get by financially.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> It's usually not a good primary reason to be in one. I'm sure there are a
> few artists and dealers making a living of their work in the sci-fi fandom,
> but for most there isn't enough money in it to be a primary carreer. A bit
> of extra pocket money is never a bad thing, but without a real interest in
> the genre in question, I don't think the work associated with doing the con
> circuit would be worth the hassle.
Heh...I learned that the hard way. In the years I was in furdom,
whatever I drew wasn't good enough, or I was villified for not drawing
certain things. I'll give an example. It was ConFurence 9 when a
fellow approached my table with their sketchbook and wanted me to draw
him some gay furry spooge art, to which I politely declined. Not good
enough. He insisted that since I was a guest of the convention
(guest??? I was more of an attending pro) I had to do what the fans
told me to as a condition of my guest status. I got somewhat legal on
him and informed him I didn't sign ANY contract to that condition.
That's when he lost it and threatened to go get Mark (Merlino) and
have me thrown out of the convention. At which point I stood up,
cracked my knuckles and stated "'til ya do, yer all f'n' mouth,
fanboy". He RAN out of the dealer's room, and I waited for Mark and
the fanboy to return. They didn't.
Steven R. Addlesee
Karl Meyer
> That's when he lost it and threatened to go get Mark (Merlino) and
> have me thrown out of the convention. At which point I stood up,
> cracked my knuckles and stated "'til ya do, yer all f'n' mouth,
> fanboy". He RAN out of the dealer's room, and I waited for Mark and
> the fanboy to return. They didn't.
I wish I'd actually been there to see that. What a loser. I guess most
artists have to deal with the 'clueless fanboy' types occasioanally. I
haven't heard of any quite that agressive at more recent cons. Part of that
may be due to sites like furbid where one can purchase a commision and get
custom spooge drawn at pretty much any time instead of just at conventions.
Wanderer
news:f86d0e99.04010...@posting.google.com...
<snip... re: Mark Merlino>
> Or him going off when asked a simple and civil question (remembering
> when he went off on me and threatened to have me chucked outta
> ConFurence and furdom because I called and asked him if there was an
> 800-number or website to the BOE (I lived in Utah, not California)).
>
<snip>
Um, BOE? Vas ist das?
Yours with a touch of German,
The partly German (and slightly touched),
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Wanderer
<snip>
> Screwing a carnival plush toy is "slightly unusual"?
Ah, another fan of "Betty Blowup"?:> Latex isn't everything, y'know...
>
> Wearing a badly-sewn fur costume with a hole in the front (and back) is
> "slightly unusual"?
Never saw one at MFM, never saw one in Dallas. Still, looked at logically:
Would you want to get sticky inside a *good* fursuit?
>
> Going on to Jerry Springer with your wife the horse is "slightly
> unusual"?
<rolls eyes> As opposed to the dead horse you're still whaling on... that
was how long ago, now?
Still, we have Hirtes' answer as to why he stays where he's not wanted:
Because everyone in the world must suffer for what he's gone through.
Yours wolfishly,
The ever-insightful,;)
MHirtes
carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) wrote:
> "Karl Meyer" <fer...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:<3ff87cd8$0$6786$61fe...@news.rcn.com>...
> > It's usually not a good primary reason to be in one. I'm sure there are a
> > few artists and dealers making a living of their work in the sci-fi fandom,
> > but for most there isn't enough money in it to be a primary carreer. A bit
> > of extra pocket money is never a bad thing, but without a real interest in
> > the genre in question, I don't think the work associated with doing the con
> > circuit would be worth the hassle.
>
> Heh...I learned that the hard way. In the years I was in furdom,
> whatever I drew wasn't good enough, or I was villified for not drawing
> certain things.
Yep. Sounds like furry fandom all right. As long as you do the Monkey
Dance and do what they tell ya, the furries will be your "fans". BUT, if
you dare to stray just one inch, out somes the fangs and those same
"fans" will eat you alive.
*I* found this out.
Darell Exline found this out.
We weren't the first, and we certainly won't be the last to find out
what these psychos are truly like.
> I'll give an example. It was ConFurence 9 when a
> fellow approached my table with their sketchbook and wanted me to draw
> him some gay furry spooge art, to which I politely declined.
Uh oh! HOMOPHOBE! HOOOOOOEEEE-MOOOOOOOOOHHH-PHOBBBBBBBEEE!
> Not good
> enough. He insisted that since I was a guest of the convention
> (guest??? I was more of an attending pro) I had to do what the fans
> told me to as a condition of my guest status.I got somewhat legal on
> him and informed him I didn't sign ANY contract to that condition.
Uh oh. First you dared not to cater to the freaks, and then you schooled
the little twit that there was NOTHING the twit could do to FORCE you to
obey his will. OOOOOOOO! Yer in for it nowwwwwwww! Fanboy batshit
brainfart in 5....4....3....2....
> That's when he lost it and threatened to go get Mark (Merlino) and
> have me thrown out of the convention. At which point I stood up,
> cracked my knuckles and stated "'til ya do, yer all f'n' mouth,
> fanboy". He RAN out of the dealer's room, and I waited for Mark and
> the fanboy to return. They didn't.
And the AFFholes here think Hirtes has no reason to despise what has
happened to this once-sane genre.
MHirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "MHirtes" <ht...@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
> news:htes-321AF2.2...@news.central.cox.net...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Screwing a carnival plush toy is "slightly unusual"?
>
> Ah, another fan of "Betty Blowup"?:> Latex isn't everything, y'know...
I'd tell you to duck because Xydexx will become horrified (HORRIFIED, I
tell you) at your comment and toss a hammer at you, but luckily, that
hammer was made from tubeular baloons.
>
> >
> > Wearing a badly-sewn fur costume with a hole in the front (and back) is
> > "slightly unusual"?
>
> Never saw one at MFM, never saw one in Dallas. Still, looked at logically:
> Would you want to get sticky inside a *good* fursuit?
>
> >
> > Going on to Jerry Springer with your wife the horse is "slightly
> > unusual"?
>
> <rolls eyes> As opposed to the dead horse you're still whaling on... that
> was how long ago, now?
And furrydom STILL refuses to accept any responsibility for it.
MHirtes
Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> wrote:
> In article <htes-321AF2.2...@news.central.cox.net>,
> ht...@jawholenewaddy.com says...
>
> *** Snip ***
>
> > >
> > > True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> > > back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> > > for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies.
> >
> > Sour the milk? Hell, I wanna take a shit into the shake machine.
> > SOMEbody's got to warn people about you sadistic twinks, or Duane &
> > O'Connell will have a never-ending supply of pigeons to scam.
> >
>
> First of all, unless you have some inside information about the
> general population of the fandom,
Ohhhhhh. Eight+ years of pain at the hands of you twinks has been quite
enlightening about how you guys operate.
Steven R. Addlesee
> I wish I'd actually been there to see that. What a loser. I guess most
> artists have to deal with the 'clueless fanboy' types occasioanally. I
> haven't heard of any quite that agressive at more recent cons. Part of that
> may be due to sites like furbid where one can purchase a commision and get
> custom spooge drawn at pretty much any time instead of just at conventions.
If it wasn't demanding fanboys, then it was the fanboys who actually
believed they could do a better job with my career than I could. One
fanboy in particular came at me for years (1994-2000) with the most
impracitcal suggestions on how to improve my standing in furdom. Here
are some examples:
"Put something in the art show." Did that, not even one bid.
"Draw bunnies, vixens and skunkbabes and put them in the art show."
If they didn't bid on any other species I drew, what made him think
they'd suddenly have to have those illustrations?
"Stop inking for Shanda Fantasy Arts and do trigger-time in YERF! and
other furry APAs and fanzines until you get the nod (from who?), then
you can resume your pro career." I spent ten years aspiring to be a
pro, now I was to go back to the minors to "prove" myself?
"Attend other conventions besides ConFurence." As if I made that kind
of jack in real life ao I could do the convention circuit. No thanx,
I could be just as ignored in Salt Lake City.
"Move to southern California." If I couldn't attend other conventions
how did this fool think I could move 750 miles southwest? When I
mentioned realistic concerns such as money to relocate and what to do
with my possessions, his take was for me to sell or leave it all
behind, live in the car, get a job delivering pizzas until I made
enough $$$$ to afford a place. Some years later I made a better move,
2,000 miles southeast.
"Turn liberal and gay." (the suggestion that got him run) He wasn't
kidding. And he never understood why I refused to bunk with him at
conventions, opting to sleep in my car instead.
Fortunately, these days I've three
agents/managers/representatives/spokespersons of good character to
represent me in my dealings.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Um, BOE? Vas ist das?
Ze BOE vas ze Board of Equalization, ze taxmeisters. Dealer's at
ConFurence had to register with them and have ze required papers
before they could man the table at ConFurence.
> Yours with a touch of German,
>
> The partly German (and slightly touched),
S'okay, I'm half-German. Jawohl...*click*
Steven R. Addlesee
iBuck
I'm here because I'm a fan of the works, and not nesc the producers, or the
other people who enjoy them...
I don't really -need- to feel welcomed...
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
iBuck
>other undesirables in the fandom.
I don't demand that every body who enjoys the genre meet my personal standards
of behavior, if they don't I don't deal with them -as an individual- it's not
a matter for the fandom...
>The interests are overwhelming, but
>it still makes the genre less enjoyable with all the hostilities and
>such.
And that I blame on the people who can't deal with the fact that someone they
personally dislike has overlapping intrests...
.
Steven R. Addlesee
> Yep. Sounds like furry fandom all right. As long as you do the Monkey
> Dance and do what they tell ya, the furries will be your "fans". BUT, if
> you dare to stray just one inch, out somes the fangs and those same
> "fans" will eat you alive.
>
> *I* found this out.
>
> Darell Exline found this out.
I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for Herr Exline
(yeah...another story).
> We weren't the first, and we certainly won't be the last to find out
> what these psychos are truly like.
One minute they proclaim they're your "greatest fan", the next minute
they'll swerve on you harder and faster than a WWE wrestler. That
includes fellow "talents" too.
> Uh oh! HOMOPHOBE! HOOOOOOEEEE-MOOOOOOOOOHHH-PHOBBBBBBBEEE!
I don't fear them, I just choose not to associate with the likes of
them. It's a matter of choice or preference that they always beat us
over the head with.
> Uh oh. First you dared not to cater to the freaks, and then you schooled
> the little twit that there was NOTHING the twit could do to FORCE you to
> obey his will. OOOOOOOO! Yer in for it nowwwwwwww! Fanboy batshit
> brainfart in 5....4....3....2....
You can set your watch by them when they swerve.
> And the AFFholes here think Hirtes has no reason to despise what has
> happened to this once-sane genre.
That's because they firmly believe they're the "good people", that
they're so tolerant and accepting (until it's someone not in their
otter pool) while slamming anyone who tilts to starboard (that's to
the right for the non-Navy folk).
A year and a half ago I was the "ink-KING sensation" on a certain
furry comic series. When I resigned and ended my association with the
creator of the series, I was a "hack" who walked out on the greatest
assignment he'd ever have in his so-called career. Sigh...whatever
will I do (hehhehheh)?
Steven R. Addlesee
MHirtes
lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote:
> >The same thing could be said for those who are lifestylers, and the
> >other undesirables in the fandom.
>
> I don't demand that every body who enjoys the genre meet my personal
> standards
> of behavior,
Well, I DO demand that everybody who enjoys the genre have at least a
flyspeck of common sense, tact, and public decency.
Remember that part from the Shawn Keller cartoon where the big fanboy
showed up at the furry con and bellowed out "MY ASS IS HUNGRY!!"? That's
based on an ACTUAL EVENT at a furry con. Did you know that?
MHirtes
carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) wrote:
> Here
> are some examples:
>
> "Put something in the art show." Did that, not even one bid.
Did it involve a snake swallowing an ejaculating elk? Shoulda. Bet you
could have paid for SEVERAL con trips with that one if you drew it.
>
> "Draw bunnies, vixens and skunkbabes and put them in the art show."
> If they didn't bid on any other species I drew, what made him think
> they'd suddenly have to have those illustrations?
Typical fanboy anser is: "Uhhhh......I dunno."
>
> "Stop inking for Shanda Fantasy Arts and do trigger-time in YERF! and
> other furry APAs and fanzines until you get the nod (from who?), then
> you can resume your pro career." I spent ten years aspiring to be a
> pro, now I was to go back to the minors to "prove" myself?
>
I think you'd more likely get that "nod" working for the Curtises than
YERF! Does Yerf! even DO a publication? I've never given enough of a
crap about it to bother looking.
> "Attend other conventions besides ConFurence." As if I made that kind
> of jack in real life ao I could do the convention circuit. No thanx,
> I could be just as ignored in Salt Lake City.
>
> "Move to southern California." If I couldn't attend other conventions
> how did this fool think I could move 750 miles southwest? When I
> mentioned realistic concerns such as money to relocate and what to do
> with my possessions, his take was for me to sell or leave it all
> behind, live in the car, get a job delivering pizzas until I made
> enough $$$$ to afford a place. Some years later I made a better move,
> 2,000 miles southeast.
Why do furries seem to INSIST that their Mecca be located somewhere in
So. Caliphony? Hello!! The Universe does NOT revolve around Mark
Merlino, no matter how much he tries to convince you otherwise!
>
> "Turn liberal and gay." (the suggestion that got him run) He wasn't
> kidding. And he never understood why I refused to bunk with him at
> conventions, opting to sleep in my car instead.
"liberal" and "gay" need NOT have to go together, in spite of what Rush
Limbaugh might be telling people between cramming fistfulls of
painkillers down his gut. Besides, you don't just "turn" liberal or
"turn" gay. You either already are (on your own and not by intention) or
you're not.
>
> Fortunately, these days I've three
> agents/managers/representatives/spokespersons of good character to
> represent me in my dealings.
Believe me. I've seen these guys coming in legions. They must have a
cloning facility somewhere that cranks out nothing but asshole furry
fanboys.
Wanderer
> Well, I DO demand that everybody who enjoys the genre have at least a
> flyspeck of common sense, tact, and public decency.
>
So why do you let yourself in here, again? <innocent look>
Yours quickly,
The ironic,
MHirtes
> MHirtes <ht...@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
> news:<htes-027F44.0...@news.central.cox.net>...
> > Yep. Sounds like furry fandom all right. As long as you do the Monkey
> > Dance and do what they tell ya, the furries will be your "fans". BUT, if
> > you dare to stray just one inch, out somes the fangs and those same
> > "fans" will eat you alive.
> >
> > *I* found this out.
> >
> > Darell Exline found this out.
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for Herr Exline
> (yeah...another story).
Don't worry. I have my own run-ins with Darrel. Still, when even he's
getting savaged for no longer kissing furry ass, I'm identifying with
him automatically.
Be careful. Keep it up with this and you'll soon have freaks accusing
you of being one of my minions (like they accuse mouse of being).
BTW, looking forward to renting out "Underworld" tomorrow. If you watch
it as a "Goths go out and kill all the fursuiters", it gives you a whole
warmfuzzy feeling inside. <g>
Ken Pick
> carc...@atlantic.net (Steven R. Addlesee) writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Furdom has always had that problem for years. Slow to denounce or
> > cast out someone who's repeatedly troublesome because they're an
> > artgod (don't wanna chuck a good source of spooge art) or is a "good
> > draw".
>
> Um how exactly do we throw someone out?
1) There's a limit to what you can do. As one of Ben Bruin's recent
LiveJournals put it, "There's only so much you can do to shun somebody
who's loudly insisting he's family."
2) Or just spread around that said "someone" is REALLY a Burned Fur.
Ken Pick
> Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a5fe81e...@news.fur.com>...
> > Depends, one method used, or assumed used is to drag a person's name
> > in so much mud that their credibility is totally shot.
> >
> > Would you stay somewhere where you are not welcomed?
>
> "artgods" who've been slammed for years in a.f.f. and they're still
> attending furrycons and being "worshipped". Some "artgods" seem to
> thrive on their infamy.
Or they're just completely clueless.
Steven R. Addlesee
>
> Did it involve a snake swallowing an ejaculating elk? Shoulda. Bet you
> could have paid for SEVERAL con trips with that one if you drew it.
Yeah...I know....I shot my career in the foot by not drawing THAT
illustration.
> I think you'd more likely get that "nod" working for the Curtises than
> YERF! Does Yerf! even DO a publication? I've never given enough of a
> crap about it to bother looking.
Outside of an occasional assignment where I'd ink the pencils of a
name artist such as Joe Staton, my "career" at SFA was good ONLY for
increasing my published credit count and MAYBE enough $$ per
assignment to where I could have dinner and a movie if I went alone.
In fairness, Mike Curtis has stated that he'd like to pay more. My
time at SFA did little to nothing to boost my name in furdom. Heck, I
was being hammered by fans who were bent at the SHANDA storyline.
They'd come to my table and holler "when's Shanda and Ricky gonna have
enough of Terri and kick her lesbo ass to the curb?!" I just pointed
them in Mike's direction.
> Why do furries seem to INSIST that their Mecca be located somewhere in
> So. Caliphony? Hello!! The Universe does NOT revolve around Mark
> Merlino, no matter how much he tries to convince you otherwise!
The furniverse doesn't revolve around Mark Merlino? Durn it, they
lied to me (heh).
> "liberal" and "gay" need NOT have to go together, in spite of what Rush
> Limbaugh might be telling people between cramming fistfulls of
> painkillers down his gut. Besides, you don't just "turn" liberal or
> "turn" gay. You either already are (on your own and not by intention) or
> you're not.
Right. I know that, but that "Steve Addlesee manager wannabe"
insisted on my doing that since I wouldn't follow his other inane and
impractical suggestions.
> Believe me. I've seen these guys coming in legions. They must have a
> cloning facility somewhere that cranks out nothing but asshole furry
> fanboys.
In the three Dragon*Cons I've attended I've certainly encountered
fanboys from other genres of fandom. One thing I've always learned,
always be packing.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> Don't worry. I have my own run-ins with Darrel. Still, when even he's
> getting savaged for no longer kissing furry ass, I'm identifying with
> him automatically.
Me, I leave him to his fate.
> Be careful. Keep it up with this and you'll soon have freaks accusing
> you of being one of my minions (like they accuse mouse of being).
Anyone that knows me KNOWS I'm my own man. Then again it's been said
I don't have a fan or friend in the world because I am who I am. And
just for those people who MAY get the bright idea to lump me with you,
mouse and others. Shortly after I retired from furdom after
ConFurence 11, some people asked why; my reply: "Cuz furdom showed me
t'door." But for the record, you've done all right by me.
> BTW, looking forward to renting out "Underworld" tomorrow. If you watch
> it as a "Goths go out and kill all the fursuiters", it gives you a whole
> warmfuzzy feeling inside. <g>
I swear, you make a comment and I remember another story. It was at
ConFurence 8 (yes, THAT ConFurence) when an Elric wannabe approached
my table. Tall, blond, pale, dressed in black, had an expression like
he bit into a shit sammich, you know the type. He stood there and
entirely read every comic I had at my table then asked "what do you
do?" I replied "I'm an inker".
"No...what do you DO?"
"Could ya broaden or define th' question?"
Several seconds passed as he tried to decipher the two-syllable words.
"What do you do?" while holding up a comic.
"I ink SHANDA."
He looked at me as if I couldn't ink because my knuckles dragged the
ground.
"You inked this?"
"Yes."
"Can I have it?"
"For th' cover price."
He set the comic back on the table and gave me the Goth "you're a
jerk" look as he walked away.
I don't know which was more aggravating or entertaining, Goths or the
fanboys who claimed they were my biggest fans (which they firmly
believed entitled them to free comics, free original artwork, my phone
number, my credit cards, and a seat next to me at the table). I
always challenged them to the Steve Quiz since my greatest fan would
KNOW all about me. What was so bad is that some of the questions
could be answered by looking at me or what was on my table.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> > Some "artgods" seem to
> > thrive on their infamy.
>
> Or they're just completely clueless.
I'm not certain if it's cluelessness or they knowing they won't be
banned or otherwise called out for their behavior so they carry on as
they usually do.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> Anyone that knows me KNOWS I'm my own man. Then again it's been said
> I don't have a fan or friend in the world because I am who I am. And
> just for those people who MAY get the bright idea to lump me with you,
> mouse and others. Shortly after I retired from furdom after
> ConFurence 11, some people asked why; my reply: "Cuz furdom showed me
> t'door." But for the record, you've done all right by me.
I ahould've clarified that statement better. What I meant to say is
if a number of people accuse me of being Michael Hirtis' minion, I can
instantly live up to the accusation, just like when furdom showed me
the door in 2000, I went outside the loop without looking back. I'm
sure Michael wouldn't mind a tag-team partner.
Steven R. Addlesee
Wanderer
<snip>
> I don't know which was more aggravating or entertaining, Goths or the
> fanboys who claimed they were my biggest fans (which they firmly
> believed entitled them to free comics, free original artwork, my phone
> number, my credit cards, and a seat next to me at the table). I
> always challenged them to the Steve Quiz since my greatest fan would
> KNOW all about me. What was so bad is that some of the questions
> could be answered by looking at me or what was on my table.
>
<shrug> Takes all kinds, I suppose. I guess we should start a new FAQ...
the Fanboy FAQ:
Rule 1: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is a professional.
This means they do this stuff for money, every day. Asking your Favorite to
give you some of their work as a gift is like asking a doctor for a free
examination or an attorney for free legal advice: Unethical at best,
insulting at worst. If they're offering, sure, go ahead. But if you really
want some of their work, you'll find a way to pay for it.
Rule 2: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer has probably been in
the business of preference for many years. This means that a lot of
well-meaning people have offered them ideas on how to do what they're doing,
or what to do next. Before telling him or her your Great Idea, ask first if
they want to hear it... and if the answer is "No", accept it. It isn't that
your ideas are any worse than the next guy's. It's just that a lot of
people have walked down this road before you. If you want your idea to
receive serious consideration, find out how to submit it properly. Then do
so. (Just remember the "Hawkeye" effect: The reason they could never show
B.J. operating on Hawkeye (on M.A.S.H.) is because they'd received so many
fan scripts using that plot. They would've been sued off the air, no matter
which version they used.)
Rule 3: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is a living human
being. This means that they eventually need to sleep, eat and use the
toilet. Please leave them alone at these times. Nobody is at their best
when they're tired, hungry and in need of a pee. (This also applies to
drinking, smoking, and other activities. If you wouldn't want to be
bothered while doing it, chances are neither will they.)
Rule 4: If your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is busy talking
to somebody else, please wait patiently for your turn. They're not going to
vanish into thin air, and neither are you. Just wait quietly until you hear
an extended pause, and say, "Excuse me". Chances are, they'll be so stunned
by this politeness that you'll get to talk. In the meantime, just sit back
and listen. If they're an artist, and they're drawing, just sit back and
watch from a comfortable distance; that means comfortable for the artist, so
at least three linear feet.
Rule 5: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer will appreciate you
much more if you are polite, well-groomed and soft-spoken. This makes you
much easier to listen to and be around, and is a good idea generally. If
you really will miss the entire appearance by your Favorite if you stop to
shower after participating in the Fursuit Parade/10K Run/Olympics, then
go... but a polite apology for your sweat-soaked condition is usually
appropriate, and often appreciated. Remember: The words, "I'm sorry" are
two of the hardest to say, but two of the most important.
Rule 6: If you really want to make your favorite
artist/inker/writer/actor/singer happy, do nice things for them. I'm not
advocating groupie-ism, of course, but bringing a cold drink to their con
table is always appreciated. If they know you well enough to trust you (and
you deserve their trust), offer to watch the table for them while they
eat/shower/visit the facilities/take a smoke break. (This works much better
if you're convention staff, naturally.) After all, they're spending their
entire convention experience (or most of it) cooped up in the noisy, crowded
Dealer's Room. How much fun is that?
Rule 7: Remember, your Favorite has taken time that could have been spent
making money at a Regular Job and spent it at the convention. Always
remember to thank them for coming, and tell them how glad you are that
they've come. Keep it honest: Don't say you love their work when you've
only seen one thing from them in your whole life. Just tell them you liked
it, what it was, and that you are glad to meet them.
I'm happy to say that I've always followed these rules, and met the
following celebrities:
Mickey Dolenz
Michael Nesmith
Jonathan Frid (Barnabas Collins on Dark Shadows)
James Howe (author of Bunnicula) (by phone)
J.M. DeMatteis
Tommy Pons (werewolf artist)
Bill Holbrook
Eric Schwartz
Jim Groat
... and many more whose signatures are in my long-vanished autograph book.:/
And I always left a good impression (if you don't count the horrible pun I
made at the Dark Shadows convention... I've never heard an entire room
*groan* before... and I apologized for that).
Yours as an atypical "fanboy",
The well-trained,
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
><shrug> Takes all kinds, I suppose. I guess we should start a new FAQ...
>the Fanboy FAQ:
[snip]
These are pretty good! Is there a way to post this FAQ at the same time as the
Sketchbook Etiquette FAQ, since that always comes up around convention times?
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>
> Outside of an occasional assignment where I'd ink the pencils of a
> name artist such as Joe Staton,
Well hey, that's cool. Kinda feel honored if I was trusted enough to lay
inks over his pencils any day.
Oddly enough, I was wanting to see about getting a Staton commission
some day (loved his stuff since the days of Ye Olde E-Man), but Curtis
insisted I kiss his ass and be submissive over some other matter and
since Michael don't play 'dat? Well........guess?
> my "career" at SFA was good ONLY for
> increasing my published credit count and MAYBE enough $$ per
> assignment to where I could have dinner and a movie if I went alone.
> In fairness, Mike Curtis has stated that he'd like to pay more. My
> time at SFA did little to nothing to boost my name in furdom. Heck, I
> was being hammered by fans who were bent at the SHANDA storyline.
> They'd come to my table and holler "when's Shanda and Ricky gonna have
> enough of Terri and kick her lesbo ass to the curb?!" I just pointed
> them in Mike's direction.
And did they repeat their comments, or just go "Oh WOW! Yer stuff is teh
k-k-k-khoul!" at him?
>
> > Why do furries seem to INSIST that their Mecca be located somewhere in
> > So. Caliphony? Hello!! The Universe does NOT revolve around Mark
> > Merlino, no matter how much he tries to convince you otherwise!
>
> The furniverse doesn't revolve around Mark Merlino? Durn it, they
> lied to me (heh).
IMO, California is where BAD furries go. Seems to have the highest
concentration of the "worst of the worst", doesn't it?
MHirtes
Fine with me, but *I* want the silver mask, ok? You can do the spikey
mohawk if you want. <g>
M. Mitchell Marmel
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> ... and many more whose signatures are in my long-vanished autograph book.:/
> And I always left a good impression (if you don't count the horrible pun I
> made at the Dark Shadows convention... I've never heard an entire room
> *groan* before... and I apologized for that).
Awright, I wanna hear this one. :)
-MMM-
Steven R. Addlesee
> Well hey, that's cool. Kinda feel honored if I was trusted enough to lay
> inks over his pencils any day.
In fairness to me, I'm one of, if not THE best inker SFA has. Yes,
it's NICE to be assigned to work with a legend such as Joe Staton.
> Oddly enough, I was wanting to see about getting a Staton commission
> some day (loved his stuff since the days of Ye Olde E-Man), but Curtis
> insisted I kiss his ass and be submissive over some other matter and
> since Michael don't play 'dat? Well........guess?
What was odd about that assignment (ATOMIC MOUSE #3) is that 30 years
ago I bought a copy of Charleston Comics' E-MAN #1. At that time I
never thought I'd be inking Joe Staton's pencils.
> And did they repeat their comments, or just go "Oh WOW! Yer stuff is teh
> k-k-k-khoul!" at him?
I never looked over to see if the readers ever hammered Mike Curtis
about the storyline in SHANDA. I was just happy they weren't
hammering me anymore.
> IMO, California is where BAD furries go. Seems to have the highest
> concentration of the "worst of the worst", doesn't it?
I've been to just two furrycons, ConFurence and ZonieCon. I've always
felt more at home at ZonieCon.
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> Fine with me, but *I* want the silver mask, ok? You can do the spikey
> mohawk if you want. <g>
I don't have that much on the top of my head to justify a mohawk
(heh). I'd have to wear a mask, but I'd wear the mask of either Mr
Wrestling II or my character Incarcerator #2 (I-2).
Now coming to the ring...
Steven R. Addlesee
Steven R. Addlesee
> <shrug> Takes all kinds, I suppose. I guess we should start a new FAQ...
> the Fanboy FAQ:
Hee...hehhehheh, which would be as good as Richard Chandler's
"sketchbook etiquette".
> Rule 1: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is a professional.
> This means they do this stuff for money, every day. Asking your Favorite to
> give you some of their work as a gift is like asking a doctor for a free
> examination or an attorney for free legal advice: Unethical at best,
> insulting at worst. If they're offering, sure, go ahead. But if you really
> want some of their work, you'll find a way to pay for it.
Great rule and SHOULD be the #1 rule.
> Rule 2: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer has probably been in
> the business of preference for many years. This means that a lot of
> well-meaning people have offered them ideas on how to do what they're doing,
> or what to do next. Before telling him or her your Great Idea, ask first if
> they want to hear it... and if the answer is "No", accept it. It isn't that
> your ideas are any worse than the next guy's. It's just that a lot of
> people have walked down this road before you. If you want your idea to
> receive serious consideration, find out how to submit it properly. Then do
> so. (Just remember the "Hawkeye" effect: The reason they could never show
> B.J. operating on Hawkeye (on M.A.S.H.) is because they'd received so many
> fan scripts using that plot. They would've been sued off the air, no matter
> which version they used.)
Another great rule. Richard "Big Evil the Ogre" Wright and I co-write
"Carc & 'Slide". Almost every night he and I are in chat, discussing
story ideas. An upcoming episode will have our "heroes" at a
convention. Rich went into a furry-related Yahoo! group asking if
anyone wanted their fursona/character camoed in the crowd scenes. He
got bupkis (and I pretty much know the reasons). Also, if someone
approached us with a great story idea for "Carc & 'Slide", we'd run
it, credit the person and pay them.
> Rule 3: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is a living human
> being. This means that they eventually need to sleep, eat and use the
> toilet. Please leave them alone at these times. Nobody is at their best
> when they're tired, hungry and in need of a pee. (This also applies to
> drinking, smoking, and other activities. If you wouldn't want to be
> bothered while doing it, chances are neither will they.)
Heh...this rule must be for the fanboys who think they own the artist
immediately after the artist agrees to do a commission/sketchbook
illustration for them. They hover around the table and the artist has
no life or career UNTIL he completes that illustration.
> Rule 4: If your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer is busy talking
> to somebody else, please wait patiently for your turn. They're not going to
> vanish into thin air, and neither are you. Just wait quietly until you hear
> an extended pause, and say, "Excuse me". Chances are, they'll be so stunned
> by this politeness that you'll get to talk. In the meantime, just sit back
> and listen. If they're an artist, and they're drawing, just sit back and
> watch from a comfortable distance; that means comfortable for the artist, so
> at least three linear feet.
A nice rule, although I never saw that kind of action at my table.
> Rule 5: Your favorite artist/inker/writer/actor/singer will appreciate you
> much more if you are polite, well-groomed and soft-spoken. This makes you
> much easier to listen to and be around, and is a good idea generally. If
> you really will miss the entire appearance by your Favorite if you stop to
> shower after participating in the Fursuit Parade/10K Run/Olympics, then
> go... but a polite apology for your sweat-soaked condition is usually
> appropriate, and often appreciated. Remember: The words, "I'm sorry" are
> two of the hardest to say, but two of the most important.
Bravo!
> Rule 6: If you really want to make your favorite
> artist/inker/writer/actor/singer happy, do nice things for them. I'm not
> advocating groupie-ism, of course, but bringing a cold drink to their con
> table is always appreciated. If they know you well enough to trust you (and
> you deserve their trust), offer to watch the table for them while they
> eat/shower/visit the facilities/take a smoke break. (This works much better
> if you're convention staff, naturally.) After all, they're spending their
> entire convention experience (or most of it) cooped up in the noisy, crowded
> Dealer's Room. How much fun is that?
At ConFurence 8-10, I arranged to have my table next to the Shanda
Fantasy Arts table in a symbol of solidarity (which was about as
appreciated as if I continuously farted at that table), but I was
trying to be a loyal company man (I probably ended up looking more
like an idjit). I remember Mike Curtis getting onto me for leaving my
table (that I rented with my own $$) and I replied I did my panel on
inking. Or the time when I HAD to make room at MY table for another
SFA artist, and that artist was about the most unsociable fellow
talent I ever encountered. After he left the convention, I just got a
shrug and a "thanks" from Mike. ConFurence 11 I made sure my table
was away from the SFA tables (I function better as the "lone
wolverine").
> Rule 7: Remember, your Favorite has taken time that could have been spent
> making money at a Regular Job and spent it at the convention. Always
> remember to thank them for coming, and tell them how glad you are that
> they've come. Keep it honest: Don't say you love their work when you've
> only seen one thing from them in your whole life. Just tell them you liked
> it, what it was, and that you are glad to meet them.
The ONLY time I got that kind of prop was when I was at ZonieCon
('98-'00).
> I'm happy to say that I've always followed these rules, and met the
> following celebrities:
>
> Mickey Dolenz
> Michael Nesmith
> Jonathan Frid (Barnabas Collins on Dark Shadows)
> James Howe (author of Bunnicula) (by phone)
> J.M. DeMatteis
> Tommy Pons (werewolf artist)
> Bill Holbrook
> Eric Schwartz
> Jim Groat
>
> ... and many more whose signatures are in my long-vanished autograph book.:/
> And I always left a good impression (if you don't count the horrible pun I
> made at the Dark Shadows convention... I've never heard an entire room
> *groan* before... and I apologized for
Maybe I should tell the story of my accidental Dr Who pun that almost
got me lynched. I'll wait to see if there's an interest in that
story.
Steven R. Addlesee
iBuck
>guess there shouldn't be dealer's rooms at conventions
If money's the only reason to be in a fandom, then there shouldn't be any
programing at a convention...
Doesn't follow, someone could easially be at a dealers room, for no reason
other than to make money... just becuse they're there doesn't mean they're in
the fandom, just that they see a market.
I'm standing by my veiw that money and money alone is a poor reason to be in
the fandom, to the point that I'd question weather that person -is- a fan..
Making money makes it easier to participate in the fandom, but I'd do it
anyway if I didn't... In fact there are times which i'd like to -hold back-
from doing the artist gig, so I could enjoy the genre more..
iBuck
>Mark Merlino ran ConFurence, and we KNOW he's not a conservative.
Confurence isn't the fandom, and Mark Merlino doesn't even dominate that...
Ken Pick
Somebody contact Vinnie Mac -- and R.D.Reynolds; this looks like a new
sequel for Wrestlecrap!
After the Gobbledy Gooker (on Pay-Per-View), Doink the Wrestling Clown
(and his midget sidekick Dink), the Dungeon of Doom, the Great and
Powerful OZ, Mae Young (giving birth to a slime-covered human hand in
the ring and on-camera), Mantaur (fursuit wrestler -- MOO!), BattleKat
(the other fursuit wrestler), Turkey-on-a-Pole Match, The Ding-dongs
(CLANG! CLANG! CLANG!), Austin 3:16 (ending in Stone Cold's
crucifixion), the Cage of Doom and the Chair of Torture, The White
Castle of Fear, Val Venus and "I Choppy-choppy you Pee-pee!" (with
guest celebrity John Wayne Bobbit), Cheatem the One-eyed Midget, Hot
Lesbian Action ("PUPPIES! PUPPIES!"), and the "I Screwed Her Brains
Out! On-camera!" Necrophilia Angle, Vinnie Mac and WWE present The
Ultimate In Wrestlecrap:
THE HIRTES!
All you marks get ready to throw your chairs...
Ken Pick
Or maybe a bit of both.
Ken Pick
> Remember that part from the Shawn Keller cartoon where the big fanboy
> showed up at the furry con and bellowed out "MY ASS IS HUNGRY!!"? That's
> based on an ACTUAL EVENT at a furry con. Did you know that?
I think if Hirtes unjacked from the Usenet/Government tit and actually
got out into reality a little, he might not be so incredulous when
hearing of "Stupid People Tricks".
Ken Pick
> True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies. (at least that is
> my observation on it. The other remains for he is trying to make a
> name for himself in a bad way, an outlaw if you will for history have
> shown time and again that sometimes the most popular figure is the
> outlaw/robin hood type.
You mean Hirtes sees himself as Robin Hood?
That's enough to qualify him for full lifetime disability right there.
As well as the fringe benefit of a yiffy Maid Marian...
Ken Pick
> In article <htes-321AF2.2...@news.central.cox.net>,
> ht...@jawholenewaddy.com says...
>
> *** Snip ***
>
> > >
> > > True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> > > back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> > > for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies.
> >
> > SOMEbody's got to warn people about you sadistic twinks, or Duane &
> > O'Connell will have a never-ending supply of pigeons to scam.
>
> First of all, unless you have some inside information about the
> general population of the fandom, I'm sure a vast majority of them
> are mature enough to fend for themselves and not needing some big
> brother to tell them who to avoid and who to get friendly with. So a
> few may get hosed, ripped off, whatever, unless some upper power have
> granted you powers over right and wrong, let everyone else figure it
> out for themselves. I am curious, who do you consider sadistic
> twinks and regular folk? At this point all I am seeing is you
> preaching to twinks and defeating your own edict. Which is which
> Mikey?
My best guess:
"regular folk" -- Mike Hirtes, of course. Probably whoever is behind
CrushYiffDestroy and/or PortalOfEvil, though they occupy clearly
inferior positions.
"sadistic twinks" -- everybody else.
Don Sanders
cath...@earthlink.net says...
> Don Sanders <noo...@myemail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a6282c25...@news.fur.com>...
> > True, one remains for he really believes that the best way to get
> > back at those who wronged him is to make the environment bad enough
> > for everyone, i.e.: sour the milk for the newbies. (at least that is
> > my observation on it. The other remains for he is trying to make a
> > name for himself in a bad way, an outlaw if you will for history have
> > shown time and again that sometimes the most popular figure is the
> > outlaw/robin hood type.
>
> You mean Hirtes sees himself as Robin Hood?
I was more or less making that reference to Sibe. As for Mikey,
well, other than the sayer of doom for his beloved genre,(shiver!) I
really don't know what to make of him.
>
> That's enough to qualify him for full lifetime disability right there.
>
Actually, the Monty Python parody of Dennis Moore (if I got that
right) would fit in this case.
> As well as the fringe benefit of a yiffy Maid Marian...
>
Considering I never seen Mikey, I don't know if Maid Marian would be
turned on or heaving half digested field mice in a corner. :)
--
Don Sanders.
Kory Anders
>After the Gobbledy Gooker (on Pay-Per-View), Doink the Wrestling Clown
>(and his midget sidekick Dink), the Dungeon of Doom, the Great and
>Powerful OZ, Mae Young (giving birth to a slime-covered human hand in
>the ring and on-camera), Mantaur (fursuit wrestler -- MOO!), BattleKat
>(the other fursuit wrestler), Turkey-on-a-Pole Match, The Ding-dongs
>(CLANG! CLANG! CLANG!), Austin 3:16 (ending in Stone Cold's
>crucifixion), the Cage of Doom and the Chair of Torture, The White
>Castle of Fear, Val Venus and "I Choppy-choppy you Pee-pee!" (with
>guest celebrity John Wayne Bobbit), Cheatem the One-eyed Midget, Hot
>Lesbian Action ("PUPPIES! PUPPIES!"), and the "I Screwed Her Brains
>Out! On-camera!" Necrophilia Angle, Vinnie Mac and WWE present The
>Ultimate In Wrestlecrap:
And people want to complain about Furry?!?
Wanderer
news:marmelmm-7D9C9B...@velox.critter.net...
<blush> You *would*. Okay, everybody who doesn't want to hear the joke
that made the entire "Ask Jonathan" room groan in unison... that's well over
200 people, possible three hundreds... please evacuate the thread at this
time.
It's really bad...
And reeeeeally old...
Are you sure you want to hear this?
Really sure?
Okay...
You...
Asked...
For...
It...
Okay, that should be enough space.:)
It started innocently enough. I'd asked Mr. Frid if he'd ever had
difficulty getting out of the coffin in his role as Barnabas, the vampire.
(He pointed out that they always cut away... otherwise, we'd have seen him
clambering out of that box with an able assist from the crew.) Afterward...
"Mr. Frid? I have another question."
"Yes?"
"Was the role of Barnabas one you could really sink your teeth into?"
<blush> The groan heard 'round the con, folks...
Yours in embarassment,
The wolfish,
Wanderer
"Steven R. Addlesee" <carc...@atlantic.net> wrote in message
news:f86d0e99.04010...@posting.google.com...
> Maybe I should tell the story of my accidental Dr Who pun that almost
> got me lynched. I'll wait to see if there's an interest in that
> story.
>
... and I'm definitely interested. What pun was this?:)
Yours intriguedly,
The wolfish,