Psst! Hey, buddy...
Hangdog
http://members.tripod.com/~burnedfur/shirts.html
Fell off a truck. $17.00 plus S&H.
--Hangdog
Shon Howell
clean up this fandom & all you have to show for it is a lackluster t-shirt?!
I'm beginning to question my affiliation with this group...
BTW- "Hey, Buddy" was the name of a rather notorious japanese kiddie-porn mag
in the 80's( factoid courtesy of Fred Patten). Ironic...
"Remember kids, people who disagree with you aren't just wrong, they're
evil..."
Hangdog
> That's it?! You guys run your mouths all this time about how you're gonna
> clean up this fandom & all you have to show for it is a lackluster t-shirt?!
> I'm beginning to question my affiliation with this group...
Well, we're also running CF 11, we raised $183 for the Heifer Project
International at AC 99, we published a fanzine which sold out its first printing,
and we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom (right after the Fur
Ring). Not bad for a movement that's one year old.
But if you have any ideas about what else we could do, we'd love to hear them.
> BTW- "Hey, Buddy" was the name of a rather notorious japanese kiddie-porn mag
> in the 80's( factoid courtesy of Fred Patten). Ironic...
Hm. Of that I was unaware: I have no interest in kiddie porn. I took the phrase
from the entirely wholesome criminal slang of the urban northeast. It's a
come-on usually used to sell stolen goods.
> "Remember kids, people who disagree with you aren't just wrong, they're
> evil..."
Though lightly offered, that statement is often quite true. It depends on the
point of disagreement.
--Hangdog
evil...@sodfurry.org
: That's it?! You guys run your mouths all this time about how you're gonna
: clean up this fandom & all you have to show for it is a lackluster t-shirt?!
"My group cleaned up Fandom and all I got was this lousey T-Shirt"
Patrice K. Garn
>Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:52:35 -0500
>Subject: Re: Psst! Hey, buddy...
>Well, we're also running CF 11.
Is that really true? My understanding is that Darrel is only a co-chair of
CF11 and just one of many people who run the entire event and of those, only he
supports Burned Furs.
>we raised $183 for the Heifer Project International at AC 99.
I do not wish to take away from the good intentions of your project, but many
more Furries, besides the Burned Furs, have done a great deal of work to raise
money for charity, and they commendable do not boast about it.
>we published a fanzine which sold out its first printing.
Again, that is no great accomplishment. Many Furries do the same and they are
not Burned Furs.
>we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom.
I suppose you can crow over that if you must crow about something. However,
isn't it true that the Totem Sig at AC99 received the largest gathering of any
Sig at the Con and the BF Sig at the same Con turned into an ugly screaming
match?
>Not bad for a movement that's one year old.
And not good. To be able to sum up your accomplishments after a year's worth
of work in one paragraph is nothing to boast about. Especially when your
entire group's effort cannot do better than individuals who accomplish more in
the every category. It all appears to be token attempts to look good in your
supporters eyes.
>But if you have any ideas about what else we could do, we'd love to hear
>them.
This is _the_ reason I am compelled to responded, and my _greatest_
disappointment in Burned Furs. I have seen dozens of wonderful, practical
ideas suggested to the Burned Furs for improving the Fandom, several of my own,
and I have not seen any of them put into use. What I have seen is Burned Furs
shooting them down as not practical or just ignoring them completely.
What little I do see of the Burned Furs attempts to do some good in the Fandom
looks very feeble. Other than being obstructive and destructive online, Burned
Furs have not done anything that would get me to support them, which is really
a shame.
My friend introduced me to the Burned Fur movement telling me that they were a
wonderful group who were trying to improve the image of Furry Fandom. I was
thrilled and very willing to help out. My practical experience, however, has
sadly proven that the Burned Furs are a lazy group who's core representatives
will do little more than raise their voice in anger while the remainder of the
members sit silently and support them with nothing but a link to their web
site.
And after looking over their web site, I am not surprised to find that there is
nothing indicating they will work towards improving the fandom. Only this
statement; 'WE SHALL institute ourselves as a monkey wrench in the gears of
mainstream fandom not to destroy it but to improve it.' comes close. But close
does not get the job done any more than 'a lackluster t-shirt'.
:::big-sigh::: Thank you; for nothing.
(Fur of Scale)
-Ny-
Nyehba
Hangdog
> <snip>
> :::big-sigh::: Thank you; for nothing.
>
> (Fur of Scale)
> -Ny-
While it may be, as you claim, that Burned Fur's contributions to the world are
less than those of other parts of the fandom, they are definitely not "nothing."
By the way, Mr/Ms. Garn, what have *you* done in the past year to alleviate hunger,
promote artistic creativity or provide an opportunity for fans and artists to
gather and socialize?
--Hangdog
Donald E. Sanders
I consider that a very loaded question. Not everyone can help alleviate
hunger if they don't have the means to do so. Not everyone can promote
artistic creativity if they themselves are not creative. As for
providing a gathering place, well, that goes without saying.
Then again, my very comments may be moot. I'm no expert on these
matters.
--
Don Sanders
Dsan Tsan on #furry of Yiffnet
RoadKill Fur (Sun baked sorta but not burned!)
Amateur Artist at Roll Yer Own Graphics
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Hangdog
> >By the way, Mr/Ms. Garn, what have *you* done in the past year to
> >alleviate hunger, promote artistic creativity or provide an opportunity
> >for fans and artists to gather and socialize?
> >
> >
> >--Hangdog
> >
>
> You left out promote racial harmony and halt global warming. Appearantly, the
> BF movement is not only ineffectual, but delusional as well.
You're referring to my statement about alleviating hunger? The Heifer Hop at
AnthroCon '99, well-advertised in this NG and other online forums, raised a
rather nice chunk of change for The Heifer Project International (
http://www.heifer.org/ ).
In brief: HPI donates milk- or egg-producing livestock to impoverished villages
worldwide. The extra protein greatly improves the diets of local children,
resulting in lower infant mortality and healthier children generally. Surplus
milk, eggs, etc. may be sold for cash with which to make home improvements, buy
school supplies, and so forth. The villagers receive extensive instruction on
animal husbandry and continuing "customer support" from HPI volunteers, so that
the animals will prosper and the local environment won't be overgrazed (HPI also
donates trees and other services to repair past environmental degradation). The
livestock are *not* used for meat. Each family that receives a stock animal
(which animal is always female) promises to "pass on the gift" by in turn
donating one of that animal's offspring to another family--which promises to do
likewise.
It wasn't as if we fed the multitudes on three loaves and two fishes, but it was
something. And.I suppose the reforestation part of HPI's mission would address
the global warming issue ;o) As for racial harmony, well, I noticed that the
Burned Fur meeting was considerably more racially diverse than any congregation
of Lifestylers I've seen. Again, it's not much, but it's still
something--especially when compared to nothing.
Would anyone who dropped by the Heifer Hop or Burned Fur meeting care to
speculate on just how "delusional" this all may be? And no, the effects of
drinking a "Mad Cow" (two scoops of mocha-espresso ice cream in a tall glass of
Jolt Cola) do not count ;o)
> BTW, does the "provide an opportunity for fans and artists to gather and
> socialize" line mean ALL fans & artist or only THE RIGHT fans & artist? Just
> curious...
Exactly. We don't wish to provide a social forum for those who sexually abuse
animals, or those who condone such abuse. If you aren't in either group, and can
observe even a modicum of public decorum, come right in. Set a spell. Take yer
shoes off...
> "Remember kids, people who disagree with you aren't just wrong, they're
> evil..."
Hold still--there's an unintended irony crawling down your back...;o)
--Hangdog
Xydexx the Sesquipedalian Squeakypony
Hangdog told us all the great things Burned Fur is doing:
> Well, we're also running CF 11,
"RUMOR CONTROL!!!! ConFurence is NOT being run by
*any* new organization! I have simply stated that
I am a Burned Fur, and you CAN *NOT* use that fact
to infer that the group 'Burned Furs' are running CF!"
---Darrel Exline, 04/27/99
> we raised $183 for the Heifer Project International at AC 99,
Good for you.
Do you think Burned Fur would've raised more money if they hadn't driven
away so many of your potential supporters in the months before AC99?
>we published a fanzine which sold out its first printing,
What kinda press run? 10 copies? 20?
> we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom
Actually, FurPride is the second biggest webring in the fandom, with 82
sites.
http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=fpride;id=25;list
> Not bad for a movement that's one year old.
Hangdog, do you actually believe this stuff you're posting?
I hope not.
Have you considered the fact that in one year's time Burned Fur has
barely managed to attract 60 members?
I think Burned Fur's image problem is worse than anything they claim
they want to clean up. I think Burned Fur's lack of leadership,
inability to benefit from constructive criticism, and abysmal reputation
are the main reasons that so many people have wisely chosen to distance
themselves from Burned Fur.
To say Burned Fur is doing poorly is an understatement.
> But if you have any ideas about what else we
> could do, we'd love to hear them.
Well, I'd suggest something else Burned Fur could do, but y'know, I
think I've been doing that for the past year now. And besides, if I
made any suggestions, you might actually stop ignoring me and respond
with something like...
"Xydexx, shut your goddamn patronizing mouth and
go back to fucking your pool toys."
--- Hangdog, 01/22/99
Oh well.
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>alleviate hunger, promote artistic creativity or provide an opportunity
>for fans and artists to gather and socialize?
>
>
>--Hangdog
>
You left out promote racial harmony and halt global warming. Appearantly, the
BF movement is not only ineffectual, but delusional as well.
BTW, does the "provide an opportunity for fans and artists to gather and
socialize" line mean ALL fans & artist or only THE RIGHT fans & artist? Just
curious...
Cerulean
>Well, we're also running CF 11
Funny, when Darrel was made chair of CF, and alarm was raised over the
perception that BF would be controlling CF from now on, the idea was
soundly debunked. Do you claim to be puppet masters or not?
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> >we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom.
> I suppose you can crow over that if you must crow about something.
This would be great where it actually TRUE.
Please, Handog, stop saying things without actually knowing if they are
correct.
FurRing, of course, is the undesputed number one.
Here are some others I found.
Dream Weavers Web Writers Union (weavers) -- 277 sites -- Keywords:
fanfic scifi fantasy suspense romance horror furry
-- Description: Webring for writers of genre fiction and fanfic aimed
at helping us share the fiction we all love. Open to writers of
Suspense, SciFi, Fantasy, Romance, Horror, Fanfic and Anthropomorphic
(furry)fiction.
Okay, not STRICTLY furry.. how about these?
FoxTails Literature Ring (furry) -- 80 sites --
Keywords: Furry Anthro Writing Literature Poetry
-- Description: This ring is devoted to anthromorpedic authors and
poets. The sites will contain writings of a 'furry' nature.
FurPride: the webring (fpride) -- 82 sites
Keywords: gay lesbian les bi bisexual furry furries anthro anthromorph
anthromorphic morph pride homosexual
-- Description: FurPride is the first anthropomorphic
gay/lesbian/bisexual support. Originally a links page, FurPride now
strives to link up furries of alternate sexualities and their
supporters.
And of course you:
Burned Fur (deadfur) -- 75 sites --
Keywords: art animals sanity Cartoon history disgruntled rehabilitate
furry anthropomorphics comics
-- Description: This ring is dedicated to the rehabilitation of
"furry," or anthropomorphic fandom. We are the artists and fans who
built this fandom, and we object to the perverse elemts who cling,
leechlike, to something we hold dear. We are opposed to Bestialists,
"Plushophiles", and call into question the "Lifestyler" argument. It's
a tough fight, but with our combined efforts and will, it can be done!
LONG LIVE THE CAUSE OF HUMAN FREEDOM!!!
Straight from webring, my freind. Puts you at at least an honnourable
fourth.
melskunk
Xydexx Squeakypony
"Do you think more money would've been raised for Heifer
Project International if Burned Fur hadn't driven away
so many of its potential supporters?"
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http://www.smart.net/~xydexx/anthrofurry/homepage.htm
Xydexx Squeakypony
> You're referring to my statement about alleviating hunger? The Heifer Hop at
> AnthroCon '99, well-advertised in this NG and other online forums, raised a
> rather nice chunk of change for The Heifer Project International
> (http://www.heifer.org/ ).
>
> something.
The question remains:
Hangdog
> > >we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom.
> > I suppose you can crow over that if you must crow about something.
>
> This would be great where it actually TRUE.
> Please, Handog, stop saying things without actually knowing if they are
> correct.
To the best of my knowledge, it was: that's why I said it. But it seems
you have more recent data. So let's see.
> FurRing, of course, is the undesputed number one.
Implicitly acknowledged when I said "second-biggest," right...
> Here are some others I found.
>
> Dream Weavers Web Writers Union (weavers) -- 277 sites -- Keywords:
> fanfic scifi fantasy suspense romance horror furry
> -- Description: Webring for writers of genre fiction and fanfic aimed
> at helping us share the fiction we all love. Open to writers of
> Suspense, SciFi, Fantasy, Romance, Horror, Fanfic and Anthropomorphic
> (furry)fiction.
>
> Okay, not STRICTLY furry..
Not at all "in the fandom," I'd say. If it were, you could count all the
general-interest SF and fantasy sites.
> how about these?
>
> FoxTails Literature Ring (furry) -- 80 sites --
> Keywords: Furry Anthro Writing Literature Poetry
> -- Description: This ring is devoted to anthromorpedic authors and
> poets. The sites will contain writings of a 'furry' nature.
OK, granted
> FurPride: the webring (fpride) -- 82 sites
> Keywords: gay lesbian les bi bisexual furry furries anthro anthromorph
> anthromorphic morph pride homosexual
Likewise. We were ahead of them for some time, tho: Eric was tracking the
ring size pretty closely about a month ago, and we got weekly reports.
> And of course you:
>
> Burned Fur (deadfur) -- 75 sites --
> Keywords: art animals sanity Cartoon history disgruntled rehabilitate
> furry anthropomorphics comics
>
> Straight from webring, my freind. Puts you at at least an honnourable
> fourth.
OK, last I heard it was the second-biggest. The other sites are close
enough in size (7 and 5, respectively) that I can see how we might have
pulled ahead of them for a week or two. But my bad for not checking
up-to-the-minute figures.
Thanks,
--Hangdog
Xydexx Squeakypony
> Likewise. We were ahead of them for some time, tho: Eric was tracking the
> ring size pretty closely about a month ago, and we got weekly reports.
Eric was also claiming the Burned Fur webring was "second largest" back
in June when it only had 51 sites, compared to FurPride's 90+ and
FurRing's several hundred sites.
I suppose he was tracking the ring size pretty closely then too, huh?
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--
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Exeperience and talent are NO excuse for blatent and utter
stupidity.
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am gonna see you there!!
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Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message news:37D6AE02...@pdq.net...
That Mountain Range and lake look awfully familiar. Where was that picture taken?
Do all furries have issues with shaving?
--- i l r
Darth Cartman
> Actually, FurPride is the second biggest webring in the fandom, with 82
> sites.
Followed closely by Potato Salad Pride. What, you don't think potato
salad and gay pride have any relation to each other? Come on, man. The
ties are so obvious, even Stevie Wonder could see them.
ilr
Darth Cartman <bo...@qewr.net> wrote in message news:37D78F...@qewr.net...
They can have it.
But if they start taking over the egg salad, that's where I draw the line.
Paul F. Dietz
> But if they start taking over the egg salad, that's where I draw the line.
What's up, Tiger Lily?
Paul
Dr. Cat
: http://members.tripod.com/~burnedfur/shirts.html
It has the group's logo on the front, and a play on words on the back
that slams a group they dislike & spread negative stereotypes about.
Kinda sums up the whole movement neatly, if unintentionally. Are they
more into focusing their attention and effort on positive things, or
about griping to each other about the stuff they dislike? Well, a
t-shirted BF is a self-labelled BF, with visual flame on the front and
verbal flame on the back.
If you don't like flames, at least they warned you who to stay away from.
I tell you, though, if they really want to be the ones to present a
positive image of furry fandom to the press, I hope they're not going
to show up for interviews in those shirts. Doesn't really give the
impression of a very cheery little hobby to an outsider, y'know?
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(Disclaimer: While some "lifestylers" go to most or all of the extremes
presented in the aforementioned stereotype, the vast majority of them are
far less extremist and "weird". This makes the stereotype a bit of a
distortion and potential basis for unfair discrimination, but they, the
t-shirt slogan is a JOKE. And if you happen to genuinely dislike a
person or group of people, and you make a JOKE slamming them instead of
a straightforward statement, then it's not fair for anyone to take that
joke as evidence that you sincerely dislike those people, is it?)
(Disclaimer disclaimer: The above may all be meaningless and stupid,
because I still have it on good authority from a prominent BF that I
am obviously delusional and imagined my entire career. If I could do
that, I could easily have imagined all this other stuff. Heck, they
probably don't even HAVE a t-shirt. They? Why, there probably isn't
any BF movement either, I bet I deluded myself into believing in that too!)
Dr. Cat
: But if you have any ideas about what else we could do, we'd love to hear them.
Rather than question the sincerity of that, I'll extend the benefit of
the doubt and assume it's a sincere request, and that such ideas will be
listened to and considered with an open mind. If that request was only
aimed at Shon Howell and not the rest of the general public, my apologies.
My suggestion is that the Burned Fur movement prove to its detractors, to
the Furry Fandom at large (much of which is presumably neutral), and to
itself that it is capable of greatly improving the image of a group by
greatly improving its OWN image first, which is a very tarnished and
negative one right now.
This would offer some evidence that perhaps the BFs really can do the
same for furry fandom. It would give the group practice on
reputation-polishing with a smaller, easier to deal with situation.
It's just plain a good idea. Plus the better reputation for your
own group is something that would be very helpful to have during the
larger task of improving the fandom's reptuation, as you'll be able
to recruit more volunteers to help.
I would suggest moving further away from the indulgences of rudeness,
seeking arguments, and spreading negative stereotypes. If even Eric
Blumrich can back away from these "tactics", why not the rest of you?
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(Disclaimer: I'd be even happier if the BFs would say "We apologize for
being deliberately rude and nasty in the past, we realize that did more
to harm our goals than to help" and/or "We won't be doing that in the
future, BF is going to be all about accentuating the positive." But I've
noticed that, like most folks, many of them seem to have very little
appetite for "eating crow". A shame, really.)
S.J.Laitila
>
> "Do you think more money would've been raised for Heifer
> Project International if Burned Fur hadn't driven away
> so many of its potential supporters?"
Refusing to participate in charity because the ones who run
it are 'nasty hyoomans' is not only selfish but also
dramatically stupid.
S.J.Laitila - Who's too poor to give anything to charity
Hangdog
> Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message news:37D6AE02...@pdq.net...
> > ...you wanna buy a T-shirt?
> >
> > http://members.tripod.com/~burnedfur/shirts.html
> >
> > Fell off a truck. $17.00 plus S&H.
> >
> > --Hangdog
> >
> >
> Two question.
>
> That Mountain Range and lake look awfully familiar. Where was that picture taken?
The Bolivian Andes, just like it says in the caption.
> Do all furries have issues with shaving?
When they're traversing the Andes, I'd imagine they would. I've had the beard,
though, for twenty years now.
HTH
--Hangdog
Hangdog
> >The question remains:
> >
> > "Do you think more money would've been raised for Heifer
> > Project International if Burned Fur hadn't driven away
> > so many of its potential supporters?"
So you think another furry group--one that's more "open-minded" and
"tolerant"--could have raised more money for HPI?
Well, they might have. Why didn't they try, then?
Do you think HPI would have allowed its name to be used by a group
that condoned and supported the sexual abuse of animals?
"S.J.Laitila" wrote:
> Refusing to participate in charity because the ones who run
> it are 'nasty hyoomans' is not only selfish but also
> dramatically stupid.
"Selfish and dramatically stupid" Yep, that's FurryDumb.
> S.J.Laitila - Who's too poor to give anything to charity
Nah. Charities can use lots of things besides money--volunteer labor,
for example. And truth to tell, donating labor's a lot more fun than
donating money. You get to do interesting things and meet other
like-minded people.
--Hangdog, Dispenser of Sage Advice (other herbal flavors available
;o)
diespa...@best.com
: It has the group's logo on the front, and a play on words on the back
: that slams a group they dislike & spread negative stereotypes about.
Snivel us a river, David. Don't like it, don't buy it.
Maybe you should get a shirt that says "Unwanted Sexual Attention
Given Here".
embarass...@jorgensen.fam
: The question remains:
: "Do you think more money would've been raised for Heifer
: Project International if Burned Fur hadn't driven away
: so many of its potential supporters?"
The question remains:
Do you think more people would have respect for you if you
didn't act like a complete freak and brag about all the sick
shit you like to fuck?
Farlo
>Hangdog wrote:
>> Likewise. We were ahead of them for some time, tho: Eric was tracking
>> the ring size pretty closely about a month ago, and we got weekly
>> reports.
>
>Eric was also claiming the Burned Fur webring was "second largest" back
>in June when it only had 51 sites, compared to FurPride's 90+ and
>FurRing's several hundred sites.
>
>I suppose he was tracking the ring size pretty closely then too, huh?
Eric takes into account the EGO of the site owners, and that skews his
data significantly.
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
"Yes, my e-mail address is valid. It just doesn't look valid."
Farlo
>So you think another furry group--one that's more "open-minded" and
>"tolerant"--could have raised more money for HPI?
That is self-evident.
Good marketing requires a rapport with your customers.
After "mocking them with maximum cruelty",
how could you expect them to be generous?
>Why didn't they try, then?
BF isn't the first group to raise money for a charitable cause, and it
won't be the last.
>Do you think HPI would have allowed its name to be used by a group
>that condoned and supported the sexual abuse of animals?
Nobody supports the sexual abuse of animals,
and very few people support you.
>"S.J.Laitila" wrote:
>
>> Refusing to participate in charity because the ones who run
>> it are 'nasty hyoomans' is not only selfish but also
>> dramatically stupid.
>
>"Selfish and dramatically stupid" Yep, that's FurryDumb.
"Furrydumb?" And you, Hangdog, want our money??
Xydexx the Sesquipedalian Squeakypony
> Refusing to participate in charity because the ones who run
> it are 'nasty hyoomans' is not only selfish but also
> dramatically stupid.
Interesting Trivia:
Xydexx has donated more money to charity this
year than the amount Burned Fur donated to HPI.
Just thought you'd like to know.[1]
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[1] Of course, someone like GothTiger would say
that I'm just "throwing my money around".
If you ask me, I don't think the new quarters
are aerodynamically designed well enough. At
least we have interesting currency now, right?
Hey, maybe I'll throw my money around some
more and buy FurRing or something.
Cerulean
> If you ask me, I don't think the new quarters
> are aerodynamically designed well enough. At
> least we have interesting currency now, right?
I like the Delaware ones. Is this the first horse on a coin?
Forrest
on 9/7 about the (now cancelled) annual pigeon shoot in Hegins PA -- you
know, the one where they'd get together big bags of live pigeons, let them
loose, and then everyone would blast away merrily to nail them before they
could fly away, and then people would go out and kill the wounded.
The writer, a self-described former "trapper-boy", pointed out that the
shoot started out for an actual purpose -- controlling crop-damaging
pigeons, apparently present in large numbers at the time -- and would have
ended through obsolescence years ago had not outsiders started a big protest
about it, thereby causing the community to close ranks, become defensive,
and perpetuate the event in an exaggerated form as a reaction to the
criticism.
He writes, "[a]ctivists were perceived as arrogant, self-righteous, morally
superior troublemakers who had no understanding, or tolerance of, country
ways."
Kind of interesting how a well-intentioned movement can end up exacerbating
the situation it was trying put a stop to.
http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech -- Manifesto II draft
http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech/two.html -- article on two fandoms with
the same name
Melissa 'Skunk' Drake
> > > >we maintain the second-biggest webring in the fandom.
> > > I suppose you can crow over that if you must crow about something.
> >
> > This would be great where it actually TRUE.
> > Please, Handog, stop saying things without actually knowing if they
are
> > correct.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, it was: that's why I said it. But it
seems
> you have more recent data. So let's see.
Well, ignorance is no excuse when you can check up very easily.
Just trying to make your life easier.
> > FurRing, of course, is the undesputed number one.
>
> Implicitly acknowledged when I said "second-biggest," right...
>
> > Here are some others I found.
> >
> > Dream Weavers Web Writers Union (weavers) -- 277 sites -- Keywords:
> > fanfic scifi fantasy suspense romance horror furry
> > -- Description: Webring for writers of genre fiction and fanfic
aimed
> > at helping us share the fiction we all love. Open to writers of
> > Suspense, SciFi, Fantasy, Romance, Horror, Fanfic and
Anthropomorphic
> > (furry)fiction.
> >
> > Okay, not STRICTLY furry..
>
> Not at all "in the fandom," I'd say. If it were, you could count all
the
> general-interest SF and fantasy sites.
Not nessisarily.. I could go and count how many furry sites are on the
ring. But granted, it will attract others.
> > how about these?
> >
> > FoxTails Literature Ring (furry) -- 80 sites --
> > Keywords: Furry Anthro Writing Literature Poetry
> > -- Description: This ring is devoted to anthromorpedic authors and
> > poets. The sites will contain writings of a 'furry' nature.
>
> OK, granted
>
> > FurPride: the webring (fpride) -- 82 sites
> > Keywords: gay lesbian les bi bisexual furry furries anthro
anthromorph
> > anthromorphic morph pride homosexual
>
> Likewise. We were ahead of them for some time, tho: Eric was
tracking the
> ring size pretty closely about a month ago, and we got weekly reports.
Well, you'll probably overrun us soon again. I do pretty strict quality
control (ie: erasing broken sites or non-existant ones), and I did
implement new content rules which droped us from 100+. I'm going to be
doing my monthly 'are all the pages working and still okay content
wise' check today. So who knows? It causes my numbers to drop suddenly.
When you've been running a ring for a few years, you learn people
expect you to be psychic when they remove their site, your code, or
move the page elsewhere. (Exotic Pet Ring.. 4th year running and I
still can't get it all non-broken for more than a few months :P)
(Which is why I'd be a nut to bid on FurRing. I'm bad enough with under
100 sites!!)
MelSkunk