FILK: Anyone who takes this to heart... deserves to
Gabriel Gentile
(SPOKEN)
Folks... I'm gonna sing a song right now. It's a song that I think holds a
great amount of meaning, and helps put things in perspective. It's about me,
it's about you, it's about the fandom... but most of all... it's about me.
(SUNG)
I'm just your average fur, yeah your average fan
I've got a name on the MUCK, I think Gallacci's the man
I like comics and movies about critters that speak
I watch "Animalympics" at least once every week
The cons and the shows and the parties all night
A copy of YARF! And a Smurf's head to bite
But sometimes I ain't got the strength to keep up the facade no more!
No-no! No way! Nuh-uh!
I gotta open my big yap and say just what I think!
Oh yeah! Hell yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
I grab someone's tail and I set it aflame
While all of the hippies start calling me names
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a Burned Fur!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a genuine Burned Fur!
I call Steven Martin a whore to his face
I play Smurfball with Xydexx, using him as FIRST BASE
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a Burned Fur!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a genuine Burned Fur!
I paint Nazi symbols on lifestyler's wors
While lifestylers act like lifestyling jerks
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a Burned Fur!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a genuine Burned Fur!
Maybe what I say is not really true
Maybe I just feel lonely and blue
Maybe I just need a warm hug or two
Pfft! Yeah, RIGHT!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a Burned Fur!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a genuine Burned Fur!
(SPOKEN... QUICKLY AND LOUDLY)
You know what I'M gonna do? I'm gonna rustle up a bunch of cute little wolf
cubs, Mexican wolf cubs, of course, since they're the most endangered, and
I'm gonna string 'em up by their cute little tails all across my bedroom
foyer, and I'm gonna take a razor blade, and I'm gonna slash 'em all along
their cute little SPINAL COLUMNS so that they BLEED to death, real slowly
and painfully, and I'm gonna catch their blood in a big bucket, and, just to
be mean, PISS in it, and I'm gonna take that mixture of cute Mexican wolf
cub blood and piss and us it to paint "FURGOTS MUST DIE" all across the
entire side of the Sears Tower, and their is not a G*D-DAMNED thing you can
do to STOP me! Y'kow why? Because I DON'T-****ING-CARE-ANY-MORE! One word,
****IN' APATHY, o-KAY?! You go ahead and be tolerant and understanding! You
can have all the tolerance you want! Me? I want a sub-machine gun and a case
of ammo! That's all I want, that's all I need! I'm gonna get ME, BLUMRICH,
MARK FRIED, CHARLA TROTMAN, you say she left the fandom, F*** you, I'm
bringin' her back! I'm gonna-
Hey!
Get each of us a RPG-7 ROCKET LAUNCHER and an SMG, and we're-
HEY!
Gonna KICK DOWN THE DOOR to your "Peace, Love, Empathy, Tolerance, Aura
Readings, Past-Lives and all that other Hippie Furgot B*llsh*t SIG" and
we're gonna lock, we're gonna load, we're gonna take aim and- !
HEY!!!
What?
You know you Burned Furs are real *ssh*l*s!
Oh, gee, what was your FIRST CLUE, Einstein?
(SUNG)
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a Burned Fur!
I'm a Burned Fur!
He's a genuine Burned Fur!
B-U-R-N-E-D Fur!
Everybody! B-U-R-N-E-D Fur!
Grunt! Grunt! Grunt! Grunt! Grunt!
Grunt! Grumble! Grunt! Grumble! Grunt!
I'm a Burned Fur... and you suck!
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> I'm a Burned Fur... and you suck!
/o~ And you fuck-ing ROCK! ~o/
Thanks, Gabe -- for a God-hating athiest scumbag who's gonna
burn in Hell when he dies, you're alright! ;)
StukaFox
--
The most important question of 2001 will be 'Why aren't you fucking FURIOUS?'
Al Goldman
<spook...@earthlink.net> writes:
>You know what I'M gonna do? I'm gonna rustle up a bunch of cute little wolf
>cubs, Mexican wolf cubs, of course, since they're the most endangered, and
>I'm gonna string 'em up by their cute little tails all across my bedroom
>foyer, and I'm gonna take a razor blade, and I'm gonna slash 'em all along
>their cute little SPINAL COLUMNS so that they BLEED to death, real slowly
>and painfully
It's offical. Your now by far the biggest piece of shit on AFF. And no, the
title of this post is not defense.
Al Goldman
Allen Kitchen
It was funny, until that Mexican Wolf part. Just what
sort of sick, demented books do you read, anyway? I've written
some violent crap in my time, but THAT was just plain vicious.
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
http://www.blkbox.com/~osprey/
Bahumat
bein' a genius. And you know what that is? YER A BLEEDIN' IDIOT!
</cockney accent>
Ta-ta! :D
FYI, if you're going to bother to filk, maybe learn to count syllables?
Bahumat
Mark Freid
I am amused. This is funny.
at the same time, I'm a bit bemused as well. Blumrich, Trotman and ME?....
...
....
I'm not a burned fur. I'm not a "fur" of any kind.
while I have been made aware that I am on their "supporters" page, I am not
a part of their group or organization, or whatever. I do not hate furry
fans. I just don't consider myself among them. I still have a good number of
friends who are in the "fandom."
I simply don't care for the unsavory elements of the fandom, and ergo, have
distanced myself from it for the most part (I'm still a proud member of
Huzzah, and upload to Yerf on occasion.)
I would greatly appreciate it if my name wouldn't be thrown around in such a
manner in the future. Thank you.
Mark Freid
"Gabriel Gentile" <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:B6A35C1E.4AA2%spook...@earthlink.net...
Loxenfox
Hangdog
> [Sung to the tune of "*ssh*l*" by Dennis Leary]
*sigh* Well, it's a fairly amusing filk, I'll grant you that...
Still, Gabe, haven't we talked to you about unprovoked personal abuse in public
forums?
Haven't we talked to you about mouthing off and claiming you're doing it on
behalf of Burned Fur?
Haven't we given you another chance?
Burned Fur's central message is this: there are limits to tolerance, and they're
called "standards of behavior."
You've violated our standards one too many times. So I think it's time for
Burned Fur to say goodbye to you, at least until you work out whatever issues
you have that prevent you from behaving like a grownup.
Regards,
Hangdog, Burned Fur.
Allen Kitchen
Mark Freid wrote:
> I simply don't care for the unsavory elements of the fandom, and ergo, have
> distanced myself from it for the most part (I'm still a proud member of
> Huzzah, and upload to Yerf on occasion.)
And we love every image you draw, Mark :) Heh, head librarian. You'd think
a dragon would be a bit more wary of a dour, elder drake!
Allen Kitchen
Hangdog wrote:
> You've violated our standards one too many times. So I think it's time for
> Burned Fur to say goodbye to you, at least until you work out whatever issues
> you have that prevent you from behaving like a grownup.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hangdog, Burned Fur.
<sung>
He's no burned fur!
He's no burned fur!
Cause he turned purr,
something im-pure!
heheh
invisicat
<B6A35C1E.4AA2%spook...@earthlink.net>:
>I'm a Burned Fur... and you suck!
I don't know what the fuck you *think* you are, but a BurnedFur you aren't.
We will not tolerate that sort of bashing under our banner. Good day and
good riddance.
Regards,
invisi
BurnedFur (and speaking on behalf on the membership of BurnedFur).
Karl Xydexx Jorgensen
> We will not tolerate that sort of bashing under our banner.
from Burned Fur members who've been responsible for driving away your
potential supporters, I'd just like to point out that Hangdog is still a
member of Burned Fur even after he made his homophobic and libelous
remarks about me on AFF back in August, and that really doesn't make you
look good.
Maybe you should do something about that.
Just a suggestion.
--
_________________________________________________
Karl Xydexx Jorgensen / Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
Anthrofurry Infocenter:
http://www.xydexx.com/anthrofurry
invisicat
<3A7E268F...@BEsmartDONTSPAM.net>:
>invisicat wrote:
>> We will not tolerate that sort of bashing under our banner.
>
>While it's encouraging to see that you're trying to distance yourself
>from Burned Fur members who've been responsible for driving away your
>potential supporters, I'd just like to point out that Hangdog is still a
>member of Burned Fur even after he made his homophobic and libelous
>remarks about me on AFF back in August, and that really doesn't make you
>look good.
>
>Maybe you should do something about that.
>
>Just a suggestion.
>
O.o
Cute Karl, would you like me to repost all that back and forth we had on
the former BF board which with simple logic I shut you down (to the point
you could only repsond with cute remarks and not to the glarring holes in
your claims)? And to once again point out the basic flaws in your own
slanderous claims that BF was homophobic for a flame which in essence while
a flame was not by any stretch of any sane person's imagination homophobic?
But of course you do... errr I mean don't, for you're far to busy and
having far to much fun with much more "important" issues than to make false
claims or slanderous web pages or waste your time trolling aff (which we
all know you'd never do anyway). Nice try, troll on.
Regards,
Invisi
BF
invisicat
>xyd...@BEsmartDONTSPAM.net (Karl Xydexx Jorgensen) wrote in
><3A7E268F...@BEsmartDONTSPAM.net>:
Oh and a small fyi, all our members our listed on our roster. Gentile, if
you bother to check is no longer listed there and hence, not a member.
invisi
BF
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> I'd just like to point out that Hangdog is still a
> member of Burned Fur even after he made his homophobic and libelous
> remarks about me on AFF back in August, and that really doesn't make you
> look good.
So sayeth Sentator Karl Jorgensen McCarthy.
Scientology know you're stealing their act, Zippy?
Farlo
>Scientology know you're stealing their act, Zippy?
Say, Stukafoxie, aren't you banned from the Scientology newsgroups?
I will admit that is kinda like being banned from alt.kooks,
oh, wait - you featured prominantly on that group, too.
You can't win for losing, today, it seems.
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
m>^_^<m
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
>Cute Karl, would you like me to repost all that back and forth we had on
>the former BF board which with simple logic I shut you down
You did not shut anything down. All you did was evade the issue and make
excuses for Hangdog's homophobic and libelous comments after he refused to
apologize for them.[1] Obviously, nothing has changed since then.
Like I said, it doesn't make you look good.
But that's not really my problem, is it?
(No need to reply to this thread. I got the answer I was expecting and don't
plan to waste any more bandwidth on this.)
--
_________________________________________________
Karl Xydexx Jorgensen / Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
Flamewars: The only winning move is not to play.
http://www.xydexx.com/anthrofurry
[1] Yeah, I know... just because -I- admit when
I'm wrong and apologize doesn't mean I
should expect others to have the decency
to do so as well...
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
xyd...@BEsmartDONTSPAM.net> writes:
> he made his homophobic and libelous remarks about me on AFF back in
> August,
In your opinion.
--
"if Marylin Manson has more of an influence on a kid than the kid's parents
do, then maybe the parents need to look at how they're raising their kids."
-- Charlie Clouser, Keyboardist, Nine Inch Nails.
Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
> [1] Yeah, I know... just because -I- admit when
> I'm wrong and apologize doesn't mean I should expect others to
> have the decency to do so as well...
One should note that Karl does NOTHING without the intent of eventually using
it as some sort of support for an argument on a.f.f. This is why he describes
them as "More important things to do". Note that he sucks all the grace and
humility out of a simple apology to instead use it as some sort of badge of
honor. "See, I'm FAR more humble than you. I've given myself AWARDS for my
own humility." He used to buy Gallery from me so that he could make arguments
about how open-minded he was. Then one con he deliberately snubbed me, and
what do you know but a few weeks later he was mentioning how he did so in
support of some argument he was making.
You only admitted you were wrong once, and your apology was hardly that. The
whole thing was a ruse, and if you were truly willing to admit when you were
wrong, we'd have an apology from you ever week.
Okay, maybe every two weeks.
invisicat
waste my time with reading it. _I've_ better things to do!" Squeakypony,
KSC) wrote in
<Xns903F4808xy...@209.125.35.22>:
>invisicat wrote:
>>Cute Karl, would you like me to repost all that back and forth we had
>>on the former BF board which with simple logic I shut you down
>[snip]
<snipped the same ol' saw, which still is lacking teeth>
Only in your own mind apparently, which seems to be s.o.p. for you.
I'll go into this again then. Because Hd makes a passing remark
(flame) about you visiting bus station glory holes for kicks as a response
(which no one on aff took seriously except for you... perhaps alittle _too_
seriously?) to a flame of your own {a flame for a flame, which takes you
two whole months to respond to and then only in the form of a sock puppet
"Mad Anthony" (complete with webpoles and webpage claiming the whole of BF
is homophobic) and then only on the BF message board} this does not equate
with being homophobic on his part let alone the whole of the BF membership.
To claim otherwise (as you intist on doing) is laughable. In that,
ONE: The BF movement includes gay, lesbian, bi and transgendered amoung
our ranks (myself included in one of those classes) all of whom I've seen
Hd interact and with nothing but respect and kindness.
Two: Making a personal insult directed at one particular individual does
_not_ automaticly infer a insult to a entire group.
Case in point (again this is _not_ a flame, merely a example) If I
were to insult (e.g. flame you) with something akin to the following:
"Karl could you tell your mom the next time she comes over to give me head,
to leave her false teeth home?"
By your logic would this mean:
1. I've some sort of phobia about recieving fellatio?
2. A deep seated fear and loathing of all things maternal?
3. A strong repugnance and abhorrence of dentures?
4. Or finally, I was merely insulting you via a rather repugnant attack
against your mother?
Nothing has changed because you _still_ dont have a case. Yet you
still feel comfortable with trolling and apparently do have more than
enough free time from your busy schedule of "fun" and "more important
things to do" to troll and slander.
As to not shutting you down on the BF board, well I still have copies of
all my posts and your replies, if anyone is interested I'll be happy to let
them judge for themselves.
Regards,
invisi(hoping one day that Karl will actually have something better to do
with his time than perpetuate slanderous lies)cat
BF
Martin Skunk
> I'll go into this again then. Because Hd makes a passing remark
> (flame) about you visiting bus station glory holes for kicks as a response
> (which no one on aff took seriously except for you... perhaps alittle _too_
> seriously?) to a flame of your own {a flame for a flame, which takes you
> two whole months to respond to and then only in the form of a sock puppet
> "Mad Anthony" (complete with webpoles and webpage claiming the whole of BF
> is homophobic) and then only on the BF message board} this does not equate
> with being homophobic on his part let alone the whole of the BF membership.
>
(etc)...
Welcome back to A.F.F., Invisicat. :)
--- Martin Skunk
Bahumat
Mind that those words you spoke don't come back and bite your ass one
day. It's quite possible Burned Fur might look upon your behavior with
eventual distaste as well.
Take care, and remeber to check your backdrop before pulling!
Bahumat
ilr
invisicat <n...@uhhuh.com> wrote in message news:903EDB1C6...@209.125.35.22...
See, I told ya he was a punk.
But how can you kick him out? Who made you King BF?
Oh well, whatever it takes to slowly disenfranchise every last
one of you hypocritical bastards from your little two-faced hate group.
-Ilr, counting the days
Gabriel Gentile
This filk was in no way meant to be autobiographical.
When I wrote this, about a year ago, my intent was to write a song from the
point of view of the ultimate stereotypical BF with all the negative aspects
of the stereotype blown WAY out of proportion.
When I came across it yesterday, I could not help but laugh at the sheer
ludicrousness of the situation this filk presented.
It seems, however, I was somewhat premature in my assumption that others
were ready to laugh with me.
Mark Freid
after all.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter. I just wanted to make my feelings on the subject
known, and that puts an end to the matter.
MdF
"Baloo Ursidae" <ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:uldl59...@ursine.dyndns.org...
> Mark Freid <mfr...@nospam.mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> > I would greatly appreciate it if my name wouldn't be thrown around in
such a
> > manner in the future. Thank you.
>
> Might want to have them remove you from thier list if you don't want to
> get caught in crossfire.
>
> --
> Baloo
Dark Ren
Gabriel Gentile <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> It seems, however, I was somewhat premature in my assumption that
others
> were ready to laugh with me.
Some things should remain buried.
--
I see the ghosts of navigators but they are lost
As they sail into the setting sun they'll count the cost
As their skeletons accusing emerge from the sea
The sirens of the rocks they beckon me
Ghost of the Navigator : Iron Maiden
Under Construction - Sins of the Past MUX
http://riftsmux.dhs.org/~sins/
Dark Ren - http://www.deja.com/my/pb.xp?member_name=darkren
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
invisicat
>
>invisicat <n...@uhhuh.com> wrote in message
>news:903EDB1C6...@209.125.35.22...
>See, I told ya he was a punk.
>But how can you kick him out? Who made you King BF?
>Oh well, whatever it takes to slowly disenfranchise every last
>one of you hypocritical bastards from your little two-faced hate group.
>-Ilr, counting the days
No one made anyone "King". As to how, consensus within the membership was
how (there are procedures and forums for this already in place, having had
to deal with it before). As to hypocrisy, I'd really would like to hear
your thoughts on such if you might be able to manage a reasoned discussion
without resorting to personal insults. Hope you have a pleasant one.
Regards,
invisi
BF
invisicat
<5jdl59...@ursine.dyndns.org>:
>invisicat <n...@uhhuh.com> wrote:
>
>> claims or slanderous web pages or waste your time trolling aff (which
>> we all know you'd never do anyway). Nice try, troll on.
>
>Wasn't a troll, though. Flamebait, maybe, and you took it.
>
Perhaps. As to taking the bait, well yes, of course. It becomes somewhat
tiresome of speaking with those whom visit our channel on yiffnet who are
interested in the movement but have come to the misinformed impression that
we are somehow a "hate group" or "homophobic". When in fact a number
membership of Burned Fur range from either gay, lesbian, bi or
transgendered. I personally feel that this comes from not speaking out (and
going with the ol' saw of "Just ignore A. A is a twit and anyone could see
through A's transparent attempts.") when someone tries desperately to smear
us with any sort of falsehood just because they dislike our opinions on
fandom matters.
Anyway Baloo, you are correct, though I'll politely disagree with the troll
bit.
A pleasant one.
invisi
BF
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> See, I told ya he was a punk.
> But how can you kick him out? Who made you King BF?
> Oh well, whatever it takes to slowly disenfranchise every last
> one of you hypocritical bastards from your little two-faced hate group.
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH!
Yeah -- like kicking out one or two of your supporters is gonna
change THIS mindset, Hangdog. The only thing kicking Gabe outta
your astute organization did was isolate yet another supporter,
make BF look even more thin-skinned, and give chuckleheads like
the above yet more ammo.
When is Burned Fur gonna learn that worrying about its reputation
and not its purpose is pointless and counter-productive? In the
eyes of furry, BF is, always has been, and always will be a hate
group. You scared furries with the Manifesto, so furries have done
what furries do best: circle the wagons, turn off the miniscule
part of their collective brains that can actually process a logical
arguement, and go 'LA LA LA LA LA' in hope that whatever big, mean
scarey monster is making them piss themselves like so many scared
Cocker Spaniels goes away.
Showing Gabe the door ain't gonna change that in the least.
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> Uhh, someone missed the *sarcasm* involved in that filk...
And the person I actually expected to miss it most is the one who
seems to have gotten it, and was willing to speak up about it.
I'llbedamned. And pleased.
invisicat
<95mkhc$2nol$1...@velox.critter.net>:
> When is Burned Fur gonna learn that worrying about its reputation
> and not its purpose is pointless and counter-productive? In the
> eyes of furry, BF is, always has been, and always will be a hate
> group. You scared furries with the Manifesto, so furries have done
> what furries do best: circle the wagons, turn off the miniscule
> part of their collective brains that can actually process a logical
> arguement, and go 'LA LA LA LA LA' in hope that whatever big, mean
> scarey monster is making them piss themselves like so many scared
> Cocker Spaniels goes away.
>
> Showing Gabe the door ain't gonna change that in the least.
Perhaps it wont change the "mindset" Mike, but standards of behaviour have
to be adhered to on both sides if the fandom is to continue to improve.
We've set those standards for ourselves and as such aren't so hypocritical
as to not apply them when the time comes. In particular after having warned
Gabe about it before. Small fyi, I am not Hd.
Regards,
M.Humphries
(aka invisi)
BF
Allen Kitchen
> StukaFox
> --
> The most important question of 2001 will be 'Why aren't you fucking FURIOUS?'
Because it's much more fun if you are relaxed and enjoying the others company.
Because Jupiter smells! No vacation value.
Because HAL was set up.
Because we'll have a moonbase at the southern lunar pole in 20 years; you
just watch!
[Venturestar to station, station to translunar shuttle, shuttle into polar
lunar orbit (fun!), orbit to southern pole where tons of water have been found,
southern pole to dark side for the perfect place to build radio and optical
observatories! Not cheap, but worth it!]
Allen Kitchen, applying the science reality to science fiction.
Martin Skunk
invisicat wrote, in reply to Baloo Ursidae:
>
> >
> >(Xydexx's message) Wasn't a troll (...) Flamebait, and you took it.
> >
>
> Perhaps. As to taking the bait, well yes, of course. It becomes somewhat
> tiresome of speaking with those whom visit our channel on yiffnet who are
> interested in the movement but have come to the misinformed impression that
> we are somehow a "hate group" or "homophobic". When in fact a number
> membership of Burned Fur range from either gay, lesbian, bi or
> transgendered. I personally feel that this comes from not speaking out (and
> going with the ol' saw of "Just ignore A. A is a twit and anyone could see
> through A's transparent attempts.") when someone tries desperately to smear
> us with any sort of falsehood just because they dislike our opinions on
> fandom matters.
Invisicat:
I do think that your new change of ideas about posting on AFF are a
sample of Burned Furs' new politics, so I consider it very positive,
both for the furrydom and for Burned Furs in particular. It seems that
you're interested in changing Burned Furs' image to furry fandom. For
me, booting Gabriel from BF is relevant signal. I do hope you keep up
trying to improve BF's image, although it seems to be a very hard task
to do.
Anyway, the message you wrote leads me to do a question to you,
Invisicat: Considering that furs have been misinformed about Burned
Furs, and that it has been flooded with falsehood since its creation as
a group, could you tell me which are Burned Fur's main goals, and how do
you pretend to achieve such goals?
--- Martin Skunk
Caveman Joe
so seriously? :/
--
Like the echoes of your childhood laughter, ever after...
Like the first time love urged you to take its guidance, in silence...
Like your heartbeat when you realise you're dying, but you're trying...
Like the way we cry for a happy ending...
I know...
http://www.furnation.com/cmj
http://clik.to/cmj
"Gabriel Gentile" <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:B6A40D1C.4AFD%spook...@earthlink.net...
Dark Ren
"Caveman Joe" <C...@RUOK36.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
> Hell, I laughed. I got the picture... Why do people around here take
things
> so seriously? :/
Likely because this particular topic is a rather sore and at times
volatile one. Long lived topics of ill repute tend to be like that.
Personally, I didn't read the whole thing. I could see after the first
few lines that it was either a bash or satire on a sore topic. Neither
is all that good.
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> Perhaps it wont change the "mindset" Mike, but standards of behaviour have
> to be adhered to on both sides if the fandom is to continue to improve.
> We've set those standards for ourselves and as such aren't so hypocritical
> as to not apply them when the time comes. In particular after having warned
> Gabe about it before. Small fyi, I am not Hd.
It's obvious to everyone, pro and con, that Burned Fur is totally
ineffectual in its stated purpose. The only people you've shown
the door are your own members. Why not just flush the manifesto,
call yourselves something else, and start over again? That way,
your rid of the baggage that came with the name, and you can make
a fresh start of it. Right now, Burned Fur is synonomous with
'NaziAntiGayHateStormtropperThoughtPolice' on one side, and
'big fucking joke' on the other. All good intentions aside, BF's
only real victory to date has been scaring the horses.
Kicking Gabe out did nothing more than provide succor to the very
people your organization is allegedly against. Burned Fur needs to
figure out what its goals are before it worries about how its
reputation is holding it back.
RRyan59368
mouth and burn your butt.
Dark Ren
Potentially, such a move might require some of the more high
profile members to either become silent mem