Watercolour pencils.
Amara
What is the best brand in Canada/US that I can get when i egt there that
won't cost me an arm and a leg?
Amy. :)
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Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote in article
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>
> What is the best brand in Canada/US that I can get when i egt
> there that won't cost me an arm and a leg?
"Well, that's the real trick, isn't it?" :)
I think I paid $25 for a set of 24 Staedtler Aquarells.
You can also use turpentine and regular pencils, and it'll
do more or less the same thing (depending on the brand), but
cheaper.
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Amara
> >
> > What is the best brand in Canada/US that I can get when i egt
> > there that won't cost me an arm and a leg?
>
> "Well, that's the real trick, isn't it?" :)
>
> I think I paid $25 for a set of 24 Staedtler Aquarells.
>
> You can also use turpentine and regular pencils, and it'll
> do more or less the same thing (depending on the brand), but
> cheaper.
>
I'm looking for at the very least 36 colours and I don't go near artwork
with solvents, not at all. I'd rather shell out the money for decent pencils
Amy
Mark-Oliver Wolter
Captain Packrat (captp...@isat.com) wrote:
: I think I paid $25 for a set of 24 Staedtler Aquarells.
^^^^^^^^^
Hmmm ... seems the german furries have to bring some of these with them when
they come to the next CF?
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> > >
> > > What is the best brand in Canada/US that I can get when i egt
> > > there that won't cost me an arm and a leg?
> >
> > "Well, that's the real trick, isn't it?" :)
> >
> >
> > do more or less the same thing (depending on the brand), but
> > cheaper.
> >
>
> I'm looking for at the very least 36 colours and I don't go near
> artwork with solvents, not at all. I'd rather shell out the
> money for decent pencils
Actually, you can get some very good results with pencils and
turp. In fact, there's a couple pictures by Genesis Cook that
are really great. Even _I_ got good results using El Cheapo
pencils and turp. For an example, see
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/packrat/packrat2.htm
(before) and
http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/captpakrat/packrat/packrat3.htm
(after). Just make sure you're using good ink, and that
you erase ALL the original pencil work.
Anywho, Staedtler has 60 colors available, however, the more colors
you're after, the harder it is to find. Finding a REAL art supply
store is easier said that done; there are exactly TWO in all of
San Diego County, and one of them isn't very big.
Eberhard Faber also make watercolor pencils, under the brand name
Design. I don't know what the price is, or how many colors are
available (though I know it's a lot), cause I've only seen one
place that carries them.
I think they both run between US$1.00 to 1.50 each purchase separately, or
around 1.00 each if bought in a set. I've got to
go to one of the stores tomorrow (still looking for a cool gray #1
marker), so if I remember, I can check the prices.
"Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, and a dark side,
and it holds the galaxy together." :)
witc...@aol.com
Amara, there are two types of pencils that can come at the number you
desire. Now, I'm not sure if either have sets actually numbering 36, but
I'm sure they have close approximations.
The first is PRISMACOLOR. These have a rather thick wax base, I've found,
and are difficult fur me to blend properly. Still, I've talked to alot of
fellow artists and they have used these pencils to amazing degrees.
The second, and my personal favorite, are SPECTRACOLORS by Design. They
are much easier to blend and hold better to the #80 Strathmore that I like
to use.
Still, you may wish to supplement these with markers, and use either
pencil or marker fur highlighting purposes.
If you DO live in San Diego, the best store that I've yet been in is
POTPOURRI on El Cajon Blvd, about 3 stoplights east of College.
Hope this helps!
Any questions, feel free ta ask.
Bryon L. Havranek
Dave Bryant
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961112183352.21128D-100000@cleo>,
Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
>
>I'm looking for at the very least 36 colours and I don't go near artwork
>with solvents, not at all. I'd rather shell out the money for decent pencils
It's possible to have it both ways: Baron Engel _does_ use decent pencils
... _and_ turp. His technique -- which he has seen used by only one other
artist -- routinely fools people into thinking it's oil painting....
Dave Bryant, Art Director, _Yarf!_
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Jack Furlong - HillBluffer
In article <19961114230...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
witc...@aol.com wrote:
>Amara, there are two types of pencils that can come at the number you
>desire. Now, I'm not sure if either have sets actually numbering 36, but
>I'm sure they have close approximations.
>The first is PRISMACOLOR. These have a rather thick wax base, I've found,
>and are difficult fur me to blend properly. Still, I've talked to alot of
>fellow artists and they have used these pencils to amazing degrees.
De ole bear waves...
Yep, Prismacolors work well, and there's a trick to getting the blends
right... I've had years of experience...<grin>
You can see some idea of how well they work on the Shanda Image I did
with them at: http://rat.org/pub/furry/furlongj/jhndasm.gif
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Amara
Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
waxy and soft for my liking... I prefer the harder pencils myself..
Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
Dingo
Unfortunately, getting art supplies cheap is always a major undertaking
(those things are just so darn expensive!). I was lucky and got a set
of 120 Prismacolor pencils (standard, not the cheaper "Scholars") for
50% off, so I paid about $70 Canadian, before taxes. However the deal
was through my universities art store, and you had to be a registered
full time student to get it. :( Standard Prismacolors, because they
have a softer "lead" would probably work better with turpentine, tho
I've never tried myself.
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Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
: Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
: Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
: for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
Yanno the painted illo of Saraenae I told you about, Amara? I used
Derwent water colour pencils on it.
You lay down the colour, apply a slightly damp brush, and it's very
similar to painting. Its possible to get a wash effect and layer colour.
I have used Staedtler water colour pencils, but I didn't like them. Just
personal preference.
Just my few cents.
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Amara wrote:
>
> What is the best brand in Canada/US that I can get when i egt there
> that won't cost me an arm and a leg?
Hey! What's wrong with self-multiation?
At least it lets you draw with a nice shade of red...
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961116152015.12097B-100000@cleo>,
Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
>Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
>waxy and soft for my liking... I prefer the harder pencils myself..
>Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
>for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
<nods>
It's that noted 'softness' of the leads that I exploit to
do the kind of blended shading I do with them; that's how
it works.
Dennis Lee Bieber
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:21:26 +0800 in alt.fan.furry,
Amara (ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au) declaimed:
> Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
> waxy and soft for my liking... I prefer the harder pencils myself..
> Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
> for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
>
I believe the Derwent Studio set is /designed/ to be a harder
pencil -- more for detail work than either of the Derwent Watercolor or
Derwent Artist pencils. (now, why do /I/ own 72 pencil sets of the Studio
and Watercolor lines?)
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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:21:26 +0800 in alt.fan.furry,
> Amara (ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au) declaimed:
>
> > Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
> > waxy and soft for my liking... I prefer the harder pencils myself..
> > Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
> > for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
> >
> I believe the Derwent Studio set is /designed/ to be a harder
> pencil -- more for detail work than either of the Derwent Watercolor or
> Derwent Artist pencils. (now, why do /I/ own 72 pencil sets of the Studio
> and Watercolor lines?)
Mmm, that's curious, I find the Derwent too soft for fine
detail. I use Staedler Karat Aquarelle for detail, and
the Derwent Watercolor (oops, "Watercolour" ;) for larger
areas and layering. I've not tried the Prismacolor
watercolors, in fact I didn't know they existed..
I try to stay out of art stores or I spend money ;)
Neither are terribly expensive, I don't think, if you
see them as an investment. What gets expensive is
when you take late-night trips to the art store to
get 4 more colors of brown because you don't like any
of the ones you've got :)
>
>
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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:20:17 -0800 in alt.fan.furry,
'Auryanne' H Riesen (aury...@u.washington.edu) declaimed:
>
> Mmm, that's curious, I find the Derwent too soft for fine
> detail. I use Staedler Karat Aquarelle for detail, and
I suspect it is relative... the Derwent "artist" series may be
even softer...
Paul Raymond Bennett
To Amara, Tygger, and the others who have posted on the subject:
Thanks much. I am saving the posts. I found oil pastels and
chalk frustrating quite a while ago and trying to do it on my
home computer is driving me up the wall.
Paul
Paul Bennett
In article <328D3...@wpg.ramp.net>, Dingo <ba...@wpg.ramp.net> writes:
> Unfortunately, getting art supplies cheap is always a major undertaking
> (those things are just so darn expensive!).
> --
> - Dingo
> __________________________________________________
> Andrew "Dingo" Baker
> <ba...@wpg.ramp.net>
Amen to that. I wanted a lil' ole box to put my drawing supplies in. Just
a wee tackle box like thingy. Went next store to the bookstore during lunch
and looked at what they had. They had a couple of "art boxes". (Looked like
the small type plastic tackle/tool box. One of 'em had a little tray in it for
mixing watercolors I presume. Prices NOT marked.
I asked...
Let's pass over the answer and my response...
Needless to say I did NOT buy one.
I will just keep my eyes open at the various hamfests until I can find
another one of those nice little sealed, watertight boxes the U.S.
military used to use for first aid kits.
Paul
Captain Packrat
Paul Bennett <ben...@cise.ufl.edu> wrote in article
<56pmi7$f...@thunder.cise.ufl.edu>...
> Amen to that. I wanted a lil' ole box to put my drawing supplies in.
> Just a wee tackle box like thingy.
Why not just use a tackle box? There's not much difference, except the
price. The most expensive (and fanciest) tackle box at Walmart was $50,
and they go down to $5 or so.
In fact, I used to use a tackle box for my art stuff, until I bought a
little wheeled cabinet thing just fur my supplies.
'Auryanne' H Riesen
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Amara wrote:
>
> Heh. I know that.. my sky blue in my Derwent Studio ran out, and this is
> a really pale blue I use for higligts... and I couldn;t find a
> replacement anywhere.. I ended up finding some arty pencil that is way
> too big for my pencil sharpener :P
>
> Oh, and how much are aquarelles there? I know that down here they're
> between $2-3 per pencil x.x
Well, here in Seattle in the heart of the University
area they're from about $1 to $1.50 each. What I wanna
know is where to get bulk discounts on Micron Pigmas ;)
>
> Amy :)
ASHKE
On 18 Nov 1996, Captain Packrat wrote:
> Paul Bennett <ben...@cise.ufl.edu> wrote in article
> <56pmi7$f...@thunder.cise.ufl.edu>...
>
> > Amen to that. I wanted a lil' ole box to put my drawing supplies in.
> > Just a wee tackle box like thingy.
>
> Why not just use a tackle box? There's not much difference, except the
> price. The most expensive (and fanciest) tackle box at Walmart was $50,
> and they go down to $5 or so.
>
> In fact, I used to use a tackle box for my art stuff, until I bought a
> little wheeled cabinet thing just fur my supplies.
Crimmers... Tackleboxes are great for far more things than just
fishing gear1 :) Beadwork. Leater tools. Pencils/brushes/paints. It's
a shame that Plano is not to be found in any art store.
And they're surprisingly strong! In a collision with a tree, one
flew out of the trunk of a friends car at 40mph, hit the windshield, and
was unharmed! Some of the lures inside, tho... *G*
Amara
> > Mmm, that's curious, I find the Derwent too soft for fine
> > detail. I use Staedler Karat Aquarelle for detail, and
>
> I suspect it is relative... the Derwent "artist" series may be
> even softer...
>
Okay.. Amara, master of Derwent. :)
Derwent Studio is what I use along with my Crayola pencils, with the two
together I have over a hundred colours.. (I need a new 72 set of the
studio pencils)
I do have watercolour pencils kicking around, I got them about 3 years
ago and never used them.. actually, longer. :P eeesh. They are soft. So
I';ll probably end up doing brand mixing like I do with my Sudio/Crayolas.
As for the Artist... oy! My parents got me all three one christmas.. the
artist ones are soft and _really_ hard to get a rich colour out of. :)
Amara
> Yanno the painted illo of Saraenae I told you about, Amara? I used
> Derwent water colour pencils on it.
How much is it for 72 Derwent Watercolour pencils in North America (I'll
be able to Border Hop when I move to Sault Ste Marie) because I can
actually get those here.,. I have a pack of 24 _somewhere_. :)
>
> You lay down the colour, apply a slightly damp brush, and it's very
> similar to painting. Its possible to get a wash effect and layer colour.
Yeah, I want them becausealthough I love painting with watercolours, its
a royal pain in the butt. That and I only have about 12 different
colours of watercolour paint. :P And I have toi see this illo. :)
Amy :)
Amara
> see them as an investment. What gets expensive is
> when you take late-night trips to the art store to
> get 4 more colors of brown because you don't like any
> of the ones you've got :)
Heh. I know that.. my sky blue in my Derwent Studio ran out, and this is
a really pale blue I use for higligts... and I couldn;t find a
replacement anywhere.. I ended up finding some arty pencil that is way
too big for my pencil sharpener :P
Oh, and how much are aquarelles there? I know that down here they're
between $2-3 per pencil x.x
Amy :)
Paul Bennett
In article <56r0ev$1p...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, c...@prof.slh.wisc.edu (Chris Whalen)
writes
>
> Just be careful that the tackle box's properly latched before you pick it up
> by the handle. :) Since the latch is on the side, items are going to spill
> out sideways.
>
> For simple art supplies consisting of ink pens, a few markers, pencils,
> brushes, and miscellaneous items such as tape and whiteout, one of those small
> nylon traveling cases may work. The one I have fold up and has zippered
> compartments. I think it's ordinarily used for bathroom supplies and has
> a plastic inner lining. Check out the luggage department and see if there's
> something that may work.
>
> Chris
>
I got a real, good practical reason (besides the lid flipping open, which
can also happen with those art boxes BTW.)
A while back I saw a posting (I believe it was from Jack Furlong) relating
an unfortunate incident involving his pens and an unexpected prolonged
immersion in water that had gotten into the container he was using for
storage.
AH HA, I sez. I can Learn from THIS.
Whatever shall I use?
The ole fox looks over at his scramble pack and the mental
wheels spin.
Now I do not have a lot, just two Kohinoor pens and a Kohinoor pencil
(plus etc). In my ground pack I have two of these military first aid
boxes. They are hard plastic with positive latches on the lid. The lid
also has a gasketed watertight seal. I figure on using a closed cell
foam with cutouts for the items. At the moment they are being used for
first aid kits and I do not want to tear 'em down.
So, I will just keep my eyes open until I can buy another one. I figure
I should find one within the next couple of weeks.
Paul
Paul Bennett
In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961118...@viking.cris.com>, ASHKE <As...@cris.com> write
> Crimmers... Tackleboxes are great for far more things than just
> fishing gear1 :) Beadwork. Leater tools. Pencils/brushes/paints. It's
> a shame that Plano is not to be found in any art store.
Plastic model airplane stuff, archery stuff, tools, yupyupyup..
I may wind up going with a tackle box after all, probably a
Plano. Particularly the way I have been eyeing that pencil set...
Sigh.
Oh well, once the holiday season is past...
Paul
Amara
No problemo. :)
Amy
Jack Furlong - HillBluffer
In article <56san6$c...@thunder.cise.ufl.edu>,
ben...@cise.ufl.edu (Paul Bennett) wrote:
>A while back I saw a posting (I believe it was from Jack Furlong) relating
>an unfortunate incident involving his pens and an unexpected prolonged
>immersion in water that had gotten into the container he was using for
>storage.
I had commented on a fix for such, but I wasn't the person who had
the accident happen to them... *whew*
That's why I use tight sealing plastic pencil boxes for my 'tools'
and try to be careful...those colored pencils cost too much to
waste...<grin>
Mark Freid
Jack Furlong - HillBluffer <jfur...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<56ntmr$e...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
: In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961116152015.12097B-100000@cleo>,
: Amara <ap...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
: >Erf.. I have one Prismacolor pencil (thanks Nikas) but they are way too
: >waxy and soft for my liking... I prefer the harder pencils myself..
: >Derwent Studio is okay and I evern prefer Crayola to Prismacolour just
: >for the hardness of the lead (or whatever) :)
:
: <nods>
: It's that noted 'softness' of the leads that I exploit to
: do the kind of blended shading I do with them; that's how
: it works.
:
:
Well, with media like h2ocolour pencils, they're just easy to work with
(provided you know what you're doing). Use water to blend, rub it with tissue
to soften... etc...
-Mark
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