FUR: FurNation is no more
Nakira
Furries,
I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
Nakira
PS.
I would prefer not to have any Email regarding this news and once I
find a new site to host my work I will post the new address.
Super Jay
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*snif*
Now what am I going to do :(
-Super Jay
Kaa
robert holiday wrote:
> Use Geocities/Tripod/Some.Free.Webpage.Provider, your ISP's space,
> SCFA, Velan, Orlando, or another one of the multitude of
> furry-oriented
> servers out there. It's not the end of the world, just the end of a
> service.
None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
Archive).
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Super Jay
It's too bad 200+ furs are out of a home...I hope they and I can find some
shelter...
-Super Jay
(no use of posting my addy eh!)
Kese
Richard de Wylfin wrote in message ...
>
>I am sad, but also, frankly, PISSED (enough to use a word I don't
>normally use.)
>
>Nexxus, how could you do this to us? I sent you a donation last week.
>You can keep it, unless your conscience bothers you enough to send it
>back. We trusted you. You tried to do too much at once. You tried too
>hard to have the greatest site; we thought you a hero; but now there
>is no site. All those wonderful pages put up by creative people
>are all gone, for no fault of theirs. But now it's our responsiblity
>to find new homes for them. You owe us some compensation for this.
Excuse me? He owes us? What in God's name are you talking about!!
He -GAVE- us -FREE- space. He worked his ass off trying to keep the server
going at absolutely no cost to us. He changed things around at our behest
and never asked for f$%king thing in return and you say he -owes- us? The
guy probably feels shitty enough as it is and you have go and post this. As
for him giving you compensation, what do expect, him to pay for web hosting
on an isp of your choice? Nexuss owes us -nothing-, but we all owe him a
little respect.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little pissy, but I am.
Nakira if you're reading this please tell Nexuss thanks for all the effort
the next time you talk to him.
Kese
Singe
> >None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
> >going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
> >my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
> >Archive).
>
>
> I don't care what you draw, bot don't call SCFA Sh*tty, at least rat
> does provide some art for those of us who do not wish to be squicked.
I can understand Kaa's position. Rat does NOT simply provide art for
those who don't wish to be squicked. Taking the bulk of Kaa's work
and removing all the adult-oriented stuff, it's still furry art, but
it can't be put on SCFA because it's all reptilian, and rat doesn't
think reptiles count as furries. I personally think it's stupid, but
it IS rat's archive. He has a multitude of silly (IMHO) restrictions,
but every right to impose them. At the very least though, I think
his site should be called a GALLERY rather than an archive, because
with the sheer restrictiveness of it, that's really what it is.
My $.02 (And again probably shooting myself in the foot.)
-Nick "Singe" Bousman
Jim Doolittle
In article <dwylfin-3003...@pm2-80.hoosier.net>, dwy...@usa.net
(Richard de Wylfin) wrote:
>
> Oh well . . . anyone for a MacOS-powered furry server?
*chuckle*
Give me the bandwidth, and a copy of Rhapsody, and I'll blow the socks off
Furnation. ;)
-Jim, who has neither, and won't, anytime soon, unfortunately.
Doodles
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:49:58 -0800, Nakira <Nak...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Furries,
>
>I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
>can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
>so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
How unfortunate. To all good things there must be an end. Is he
having you contact all the artists he was serving to inform them of
the news?
>PS.
>
>I would prefer not to have any Email regarding this news and once I
>find a new site to host my work I will post the new address.
Yes, leave Nakira alone, folks. He's been very nice in posting
updates to us.
Singe
> >I can understand Kaa's position. Rat does NOT simply provide art for
> >those who don't wish to be squicked. Taking the bulk of Kaa's work
> >and removing all the adult-oriented stuff, it's still furry art, but
> >it can't be put on SCFA because it's all reptilian, and rat doesn't
> >think reptiles count as furries. I personally think it's stupid, but
> >it IS rat's archive. He has a multitude of silly (IMHO) restrictions,
> >but every right to impose them. At the very least though, I think
> >his site should be called a GALLERY rather than an archive, because
> >with the sheer restrictiveness of it, that's really what it is.
>
>
> <shrug>
>
> Amy
The majority of your furry art is not reptiles though.
The majority of Kaa's furry art is.
You also came on early in SCFA's lifetime, as did I. It at least seems
to me that we have a bit more leverage than artists trying to join the
SCFA.
-Singe
Thumper
> Furries,
> I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
> can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
> so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
>
I realize there is some uncertainty at this point as to the destiny of
FurNation. I sure hope we see its eventual return to the net. In the
mean time, for the artists on FurNation whom may be searching for a new
home I would like to offer a limited time 10% discount on all hosting
packages for virtual domains and virtual hosts on our servers at WEB
Endeavors Inc. Turn around on new setups is about 24 hours. If any of
you are interested, http://www.webendeavors.net/
P.S. Good luck in your recovery efforts Nexxus, let me know if I can be
of assistance.
Thumper
Ostrich
Nakira (Nak...@ibm.net) wrote:
: I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
: can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
: so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
Well, I'm bummed. It's prolly a bit late to be bringing this up, but
if it's just a matter of hardware, perhaps if he posted what he needs,
something could be done about getting the equipment for him. There are
an awful lot of people who like his site, after all...
-Ostrich! <")
robert holiday
Super Jay wrote:
>NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>*snif*
>Now what am I going to do :(
Use Geocities/Tripod/Some.Free.Webpage.Provider, your ISP's space,
SCFA, Velan, Orlando, or another one of the multitude of furry-oriented
servers out there. It's not the end of the world, just the end of a service.
- bobby
Co-administrator of the Furry IRC network at irc.feline.pp.se
hol...@celes.feline.pp.se
Try http://pinky.wtower.com/~holiday fer my evil framey webpage.
http://rat.org/pub/furry/holirobe fer my disgustingly ky00t art.
"Why make more nuclear warheads, wait 'till the ones we have are
used. A nuclear war can ruin your whole day."
Richard de Wylfin
I am sad, but also, frankly, PISSED (enough to use a word I don't
normally use.)
Nexxus, how could you do this to us? I sent you a donation last week.
You can keep it, unless your conscience bothers you enough to send it
back. We trusted you. You tried to do too much at once. You tried too
hard to have the greatest site; we thought you a hero; but now there
is no site. All those wonderful pages put up by creative people
are all gone, for no fault of theirs. But now it's our responsiblity
to find new homes for them. You owe us some compensation for this.
Oh well . . . anyone for a MacOS-powered furry server?
--
^ ^
o-o
+
richard de wylfin http://dwylfin.home.ml.org/
Amy 'Amara' Pronovost
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:06:14 -0700, Kaa <k...@fone.net> was chased
around by rabid Ewoks for posting this drivel!
>None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
>going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
>my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
>Archive).
<snort> I take offense to that.
I don't care what you draw, bot don't call SCFA Sh*tty, at least rat
does provide some art for those of us who do not wish to be squicked.
You have an ISP, see if they'll give tyou some web space for an extra
$5 oer $10 a month or something.
Amy
> ===================================================================
> Page -- www.FurNation.com/Starhunter Email -- k...@fone.net
> ===================================================================
> "Why shall I struggle to live in the world, when I can reach and
> hunt for the stars?"
> ===================================================================
"We count 30 rebel ships, Lord Vader, but our men are so pissed they
couldn't hit a bull's butt with a bass fiddle."
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
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Fox-Shark, biologist. theforce.net Staffer/Poster Girl :)
am...@nais.com <*> http://rat.org/amara <*> Gnargnargnar!
robert holiday
k...@fone.net wrote:
>None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
>going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
>my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
>Archive).
With an attitude like yours, I wouldn't host you either. Sheesh, pay
10 bucks a month for webhosting, then. It's not going to kill you.
robert holiday
Nakira <Nak...@ibm.net> wrote:
>I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
>can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
>so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
Just a couple questions, anyhow.
1) If possible, at least having a final 'summary' post by Nexxus would
be appropriate. Since some 100 artists were hosted there and this announcement
is causing them to have to scramble to find new webspace, it'd be somewhat
professional to have Nexxus himself summarize the situation.
2) Also, what of the Furnation calendars? I'm hearing people who are
saying that they have not recieved one yet, etc. I do hope that refunds will
be issued for donations, calendars, et cetera.
Yeah, this seems silly coming from me, but like it or not, I do
appreciate the effort that was put into Furnation and keeping it online. It
isn't an easy job keeping a webserver of that calibre running. Just let this
be a lesson to other prospective webserver admins: Don't use NT for
high-load webhosting. *gryn*
Ratman
Kaa <k...@fone.net> wrote:
>robert holiday wrote:
>
>> Use Geocities/Tripod/Some.Free.Webpage.Provider, your ISP's space,
>> SCFA, Velan, Orlando, or another one of the multitude of
>> furry-oriented
>> servers out there. It's not the end of the world, just the end of a
>> service.
>
>None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
>going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
>my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
>Archive).
My, aren't we civil.
Just to clarify, neither my site, Velan or Orlando (furry.ao.net) offered
"homepages". only space for the artwork. Correct me if i'm wrong.
So regardless of your noble attack on me, hosting your "pages" on my server
wasn't even an option. :->
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[...]
> again.. Say what you will but this is one of the worst things that
> could've happened.. One request to the artists on Furnation.. If you
> had a site on furnation and are moving to another server, could you
> pleast post it to the newsgroup? It would be appreciated. :) Thanks.
> -Wolven Terror
I don't know if I am one of those artists you liked. However, I don't
think my site will be back very soon. I'm not in the mood to go and look
for a new place, and it became too large to move it back to the place
where I used to have it before I moved it to FurNation.
--
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It's BigBlueFox,
the fearsome pizza predator of FurryMUCK/FurToonia/SPR/FluffMUCK }:)
Please fix the eMail adress before writing me a note :)
Amy 'Amara' Pronovost
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:32:15 -0800, Singe <Si...@ix.netcom.com> was
chased around by rabid Ewoks for posting this drivel!
>I can understand Kaa's position. Rat does NOT simply provide art for
>those who don't wish to be squicked. Taking the bulk of Kaa's work
>and removing all the adult-oriented stuff, it's still furry art, but
>it can't be put on SCFA because it's all reptilian, and rat doesn't
>think reptiles count as furries. I personally think it's stupid, but
>it IS rat's archive. He has a multitude of silly (IMHO) restrictions,
>but every right to impose them. At the very least though, I think
>his site should be called a GALLERY rather than an archive, because
>with the sheer restrictiveness of it, that's really what it is.
>
What? I have a bunch of reptiles on SCFA.. he hasn't banned reptiles.
<shrug>
Amy
>My $.02 (And again probably shooting myself in the foot.)
>
>-Nick "Singe" Bousman
"We count 30 rebel ships, Lord Vader, but our men are so pissed they
robert holiday
Super Jay wrote:
>It's too bad 200+ furs are out of a home...I hope they and I can find some
>shelter...
Well, not all of 'em, nescessarily.. read Felicia's post offering
webspace. :) Plenty of folks are going to probably stand up and help.
J. J. Novotny
Kaa wrote:
> None of those will support the contents of my page. Plus, I won't be
> going to have my art hosted on some server who will boot me because
> my art is both adult-oriented and reptilian (like the Sh*tty Clean
> Archive).
Just thought I'd mention that I *like* the SCFA. I think that rat.org
provides a great service for all the furry fans simply for the love of
the fandom. I really think that people who go out of their way to help
like that should be commended.
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But don't let your
disagreement with some of the house regs blind you to all the good
that's being done.
I also would like to throw my two cents in to say that I hope that
FurNation can work out its problems. Again, this is a fine service
that's being run for the love of the genre, and I know that a lot of
artists really appreciate it. Best of luck , guys!
Cheers;
J. J.
Dr. Skorzy MacFarlaighn
In article <6fpq8b$b...@camel19.mindspring.com>, "Kese"
<soll...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little pissy, but I am.
> Nakira if you're reading this please tell Nexuss thanks for all the effort
> the next time you talk to him.
Golly Kese.. I wouldn't call what you wrote prissy.. More honest, accurate
and to the point.. Thank you.. Shouldn't ever be afraid to speak your
mind.. :)
I will never understand how anyone feels these people that give their
time, money and patience to creating a *free* furry archive (or Gallery..
take your pick...) should be *obligated* to us...
*snort*.. I believe I went on a little diatribe several months ago about
how much those that do anthropomorphics gratis..and share it with the rest
of us slobs, are what keeps the fandom, for whatever the hell it is,
together. Just imagine having to pay for all of it... Sheesh, imagine
placing a pricetag on it all..
Nakira.. put my thanks and appreciation alongside Kese's in that envelope
to Nexuss...
-Skorzy
--
J. Scott Rogers ** jeff....@ummed.edu **
UMASS Medical Center ** sko...@mindspring.com **
Dept. of Biochemistry "Dr.Skorzy MacFarlaighn"
Program in Molecular Medicine
Worcester, Massachusetts "Confusion will be my epitaph"
-- -Robert Fripp
"The Biorg Universe" Anthropomorphic Fiction w/ J. L. Eddy
http://www.tiac.net/users/bfoxxe/tbu-contents.shtml
Richard de Wylfin
In article <skorzy-3103...@pool-207-205-195-96.wlhm.grid.net>,
skorzy@SPAM_REMOVE.mindspring.com (Dr. Skorzy MacFarlaighn) wrote:
> In article <6fpq8b$b...@camel19.mindspring.com>, "Kese"
> <soll...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little pissy, but I am.
> > Nakira if you're reading this please tell Nexuss thanks for all the effort
> > the next time you talk to him.
>
> Golly Kese.. I wouldn't call what you wrote prissy.. More honest, accurate
> and to the point.. Thank you.. Shouldn't ever be afraid to speak your
> mind.. :)
>
> I will never understand how anyone feels these people that give their
> time, money and patience to creating a *free* furry archive (or Gallery..
> take your pick...) should be *obligated* to us...
>
> *snort*.. I believe I went on a little diatribe several months ago about
> how much those that do anthropomorphics gratis..and share it with the rest
> of us slobs, are what keeps the fandom, for whatever the hell it is,
> together. Just imagine having to pay for all of it... Sheesh, imagine
> placing a pricetag on it all..
>
> Nakira.. put my thanks and appreciation alongside Kese's in that envelope
> to Nexuss...
>
> -Skorzy
>
Please note that I have retracted my post after Nakira indicated that
Furnation may be back up again after all. I'm sorry about my initial reaction.
Allen Kitchen
Richard de Wylfin <dwy...@usa.net> wrote in article
<dwylfin-3003...@pm2-80.hoosier.net>...
>
> I am sad, but also, frankly, PISSED (enough to use a word I don't
> normally use.)
>
> Nexxus, how could you do this to us? I sent you a donation last week.
> You can keep it, unless your conscience bothers you enough to send it
> back. We trusted you. You tried to do too much at once. You tried too
> hard to have the greatest site; we thought you a hero; but now there
> is no site. All those wonderful pages put up by creative people
> are all gone, for no fault of theirs. But now it's our responsiblity
> to find new homes for them. You owe us some compensation for this.
Shockwave growls, his hand on the hilt of his sword.
This is HARDLY the respect and thanks he deserves for
running the site as long as he has! He tried an upgrade, and it
fell through! Shit happens! Personally I would fall back to backup
tapes and restore the system until I found out what was wrong, but
he may need the upgrade to do something he needs for work. Who
knows?
I understand your anger. I'm a bit annoyed myself, and I'm
not an artist. But you should not attack Nexxus like this! He ran
a wonderful site for 2 years. We owe him thanks for doing that
much, at least.
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
http://www.blkbox.com/~osprey/
Allen Kitchen
robert holiday <bi...@altavista.net> wrote in article
<6fplpl$anf$1...@rat.org>...
> Yeah, this seems silly coming from me, but like it or not, I do
> appreciate the effort that was put into Furnation and keeping it online.
It
> isn't an easy job keeping a webserver of that calibre running. Just let
this
> be a lesson to other prospective webserver admins: Don't use NT for
> high-load webhosting. *gryn*
>
> - bobby
And now, heeeere's MM! :)
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Duncan da Husky
In article <6fplpl$anf$1...@rat.org>, bi...@altavista.net (robert holiday) wrote:
> 2) Also, what of the Furnation calendars? I'm hearing people who are
>saying that they have not recieved one yet, etc. I do hope that refunds will
>be issued for donations, calendars, et cetera.
That would be nice. It's <checks watch> just about April, and no calendar. I
for one would like my $20 back.
-Duncan da Husky, who has actually seen one of the calendars in question and
was less than impressed
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Robert Henney
In article <352674a5...@furry.isc-br.com>,
Amy 'Amara' Pronovost <am...@nais.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:32:15 -0800, Singe <Si...@ix.netcom.com> was
>chased around by rabid Ewoks for posting this drivel!
>
>>I can understand Kaa's position. Rat does NOT simply provide art for
>>those who don't wish to be squicked. Taking the bulk of Kaa's work
>>and removing all the adult-oriented stuff, it's still furry art, but
>>it can't be put on SCFA because it's all reptilian, and rat doesn't
>>think reptiles count as furries. I personally think it's stupid, but
>>it IS rat's archive. He has a multitude of silly (IMHO) restrictions,
>>but every right to impose them. At the very least though, I think
>>his site should be called a GALLERY rather than an archive, because
>>with the sheer restrictiveness of it, that's really what it is.
>>
>
>What? I have a bunch of reptiles on SCFA.. he hasn't banned reptiles.
>
><shrug>
Hi Amara! :-)
They arn't banned per se on the SCFA, and if more people were to become
familiar with the clearly posted policies of Ratmans gallery before blasting
said policies for not permitting this-or-that. If an artists work
encompasses only a single species, or even a single overly-popular (ie.
'common') art style, it is very understandable to me as to why they would be
turned away from the site. Variety is a quality of good artists.
Here is a clip from the SCFA policy page that clearly states Ratmans stance
on "reptiles":
* Is it furry? I take furry to mean "anthromorphic". But I take that a step
* further and call it "animal with human qualities". So it doesn't have
* necessarily to have "fur", reptiles and birds for example, are acceptable.
* Also fantasy creatures are acceptable if it looks like it's based on an
* animal. Dragons look based on lizards for example. And you can't upload off
* topic pictures by simply pasting a furry charaacter into the picture.
* Especially if it's a photograph.
And for those who apparently have never bothered to, go read the SCFA
quality control page at http://rat.org/furry/qc.htm.
>Amy
>
>>My $.02 (And again probably shooting myself in the foot.)
>>
>>-Nick "Singe" Bousman
>
>"We count 30 rebel ships, Lord Vader, but our men are so pissed they
>couldn't hit a bull's butt with a bass fiddle."
>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>Amy 'Amara' Pronovost: Anthro/Star Wars Artist, Psychovixen,
>Fox-Shark, biologist. theforce.net Staffer/Poster Girl :)
>am...@nais.com <*> http://rat.org/amara <*> Gnargnargnar!
--
MV Weasel
JoeEkaitis
Robert Henney wrote:
> And for those who apparently have never bothered to, go read the SCFA
> quality control page at http://rat.org/furry/qc.htm.
>
Illustration by Joe Ekaitis. :)
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Jack Furlong - Artist/MUCKer
In article <352055...@webspan.net>, nite...@webspan.net wrote:
>If you had a site on furnation and are moving to another server, could you
>pleast post it to the newsgroup? It would be appreciated. :) Thanks.
My site at http://www.netcom.com/~jfurlong/ has always been up,
though I've spent more time updating my FurNation site, than the
Netcom one.
Guess I've got a good reason to get off my behind, and get the
Netcom site back up to date, again... :P
Karsten "BigBlueFox" Auchter
> And for those who apparently have never bothered to, go read the SCFA
> quality control page at http://rat.org/furry/qc.htm.
A good point, Robert. I think some people don't even know what they are
talking about. Like the recent discussion about Rat's taur ban. I'm sure
hardly anybody knows that Rat only banned taurs that are partly human,
but NOT entirely animal-like taurs. Guys, before you start to bitch and
whine about things, please take a closer look first.
BTW, I am a fan of SCFA, and I want to thank Kilo for going through all
the work and trouble by running SCFA. We owe him a big hug for providing
web space and creating a forum about arts for anyone, even minors and
people who don't want having to look at offensive pictures everywhere
they go.
Allen Kitchen
Robert Henney <ro...@mv.mv.com> wrote in article
<6fqvej$2ct$1...@pyrite.mv.net>...
> In article <352674a5...@furry.isc-br.com>,
> They arn't banned per se on the SCFA, and if more people were to become
> familiar with the clearly posted policies of Ratmans gallery before
blasting
> said policies for not permitting this-or-that.
Then why, the sudden banning of all Centaurs on his site? And why,
when two artists protested with pictures did they both get terminated?
I've been a staunch defender of the SCFA, but I'm getting most worried
about the arbitrary and personal standards Ratman (or his designates)
use on the site.
I'm well aware that Ratman can keep whatever rules
he wishes on his machine. But making unfair or unrealistic ones simply
makes him appear petty, and that's a shame since I support the cause.
I'm finding it harder and harder to do so though. If he decides he does
not like centaurs, what is next? Foxes? Wolves? Dragons? There
is a line between keeping a site usable (banning Sonic flood) and making
personal artistic biases the law of the land.
I'm close to withdrawing my support and links to the SCFA.
I don't like the heavyhandedness shown recently. If people are protesting,
then perhaps Ratman should listen some. He is free to do and say what
he wants on his site. I have the same rights, and I'll explain to the
entire fandom the reasons why, should I withdraw my support. And
Ratman won't be able to simply can me as he has done others...
It is sad that things have come to this, when a bit of diplomacy and
tolerance for dissent could have avoided it.
Ratman
"Allen Kitchen" <all...@blkbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>Robert Henney <ro...@mv.mv.com> wrote in article
><6fqvej$2ct$1...@pyrite.mv.net>...
>> In article <352674a5...@furry.isc-br.com>,
>> They arn't banned per se on the SCFA, and if more people were to become
>> familiar with the clearly posted policies of Ratmans gallery before
>blasting
>> said policies for not permitting this-or-that.
>
>Then why, the sudden banning of all Centaurs on his site?
Sudden? It was a decision I thought a lot about.
> And why,
>when two artists protested with pictures did they both get terminated?
Because they are guests in my house and they forgot to act accordingly. :)
They have every right to disagree, but uploading insultive pics is not a freedom
of expression I feel I have to support.
>I've been a staunch defender of the SCFA, but I'm getting most worried
>about the arbitrary and personal standards Ratman (or his designates)
>use on the site.
Arbitrary?
I only banned human taurs. They didn't seem anthromorphic or furry to me at all.
It's a direction I don't want the SCFA going in at all. If people want to think
i'm making these rules at the drop of a hat, I can't do anything about that.
>I'm close to withdrawing my support and links to the SCFA.
>I don't like the heavyhandedness shown recently. If people are protesting,
>then perhaps Ratman should listen some. He is free to do and say what
>he wants on his site. I have the same rights, and I'll explain to the
>entire fandom the reasons why, should I withdraw my support. And
>Ratman won't be able to simply can me as he has done others...
If people are protesting, I give that as much attention as it deserves. And
that's none. If someone has a problem, they can talk to me about it. And people
have. I will definatly make it more public if I think about doing another ban.
Hell, I may even undo the centaur ban at some point. But uploading protest pics,
and trying to humilate me in the newsgroups isn't going to accomplish anything
positive.
>It is sad that things have come to this, when a bit of diplomacy and
>tolerance for dissent could have avoided it.
I think it's sad that you're so quick to leave, without even talking with me
about it first. The only email I have from you is about when ginger uploaded
that protest pic. Even she understood why I booted her for that. She admitted
she should have talked about it first. But I'm just not going to put up with
that kind of disrespect. A lot do seem to appreciate the fact that the artists
are guests on my site, and it's annoying when they forget to act like guests. If
they don't like something, they have every right to tell me about it, but if
they wanna trash the place, that's not acceptable.
I just envision an art show where an artist puts up a pic that says, 'this art
show sucks!', then wonder why they got kicked out, and scream "censorship" as
they're being ejected from the premisis. :)
Allen Kitchen
Ratman <ra...@rat.org> wrote in article <352131ce....@news.rat.org>...
> "Allen Kitchen" <all...@blkbox.com> wrote:
> Because they are guests in my house and they forgot to act accordingly.
:)
> They have every right to disagree, but uploading insultive pics is not a
freedom
> of expression I feel I have to support.
I can accept that. They are guests, true. Typically a host warns a guest
when they are getting out of line first.
> >I've been a staunch defender of the SCFA, but I'm getting most worried
> >about the arbitrary and personal standards Ratman (or his designates)
> >use on the site.
>
> Arbitrary?
> I only banned human taurs. They didn't seem anthromorphic or furry to me
at all.
Ah!! Here it is from your own words. They didn't seem furry to YOU.
Well, I know several Centaurs online and on mucks who would beg
to differ! This isn't a case of being buried in Sailor Moon pictures:
this is a matter of your personal tastes and opinions. What are you
going to ban next? Dragons? After all, they don't even have fur.
> If people are protesting, I give that as much attention as it deserves.
And
> that's none. If someone has a problem, they can talk to me about it.
Yet, you JUST said that you give them NO attention. Or am I misreading?
> And people
> have. I will definatly make it more public if I think about doing another
ban.
> Hell, I may even undo the centaur ban at some point. But uploading
protest pics,
> and trying to humilate me in the newsgroups isn't going to accomplish
anything
> positive.
As I said, I can understand that. Do understand that if an artist wishes
to complain, they will take up pen and ink to do so. I saw both pictures
in question. Only the second one I felt was insulting. Ginger's was a
rather tame prodding IMHO.
> >It is sad that things have come to this, when a bit of diplomacy and
> >tolerance for dissent could have avoided it.
>
> I think it's sad that you're so quick to leave, without even talking with
me
> about it first.
1) I have talked with you via email. A couple of times. I begged you
to examine what your assistants were doing. You replied to all but
the last message.
2) I haven't given up on you or the SCFA yet. But I am leaning
that way due to the "excommunication" of two artists who only
complained about the unfair banning of centaurs. You are creating
the impression that it is YOUR car, and everyone in the back seat
can be quiet or start walking. You would not appreciate being treated
in such a manner. You would not like someone deciding to ban X
images because they didn't like X. The same applies to other
artists as well.
> The only email I have from you is about when ginger uploaded
> that protest pic. Even she understood why I booted her for that. She
admitted
> she should have talked about it first. But I'm just not going to put up
with
> that kind of disrespect.
Disrespectful? Perhaps. But it seems to me that is the only way to
get your attention. You yourself have said you ignore the artists'
complaints. The artists should behave as if they were in someone's
home, I agree with you. They are guests. At the same time, I expect
a host to be courteous and fair. Deciding for yourself that "Centaurs
aren't Furry" is quite arrogant. And it isn't like you are being flooded
with centaur pictures either.
I've been quite courteous in all my postings and conversations in this
matter. I don't see the need to be ugly. But your "My ball, my ball"
attitude is destructive to the SCFA. You don't really think the ugly
pictures and bad feelings will just vanish because they aren't on your
site, do you? I imagine things will only get nastier, as all the artists
put far worse drawings elsewhere where you cannot do anything
about them.
I haven't decided what to do. I don't make strategic decisions while
hot in battle, only tactical ones. And this has little to do with Ginger.
This has to do with your "Furry is what I say it is" attitude.
Ravenwolf
Allen Kitchen wrote:
> Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
> http://www.blkbox.com/~osprey/
Bravo and exactly right
First off, as an artist who is almost exclusively on Furnation, I never,
ever thought that Nexxus owed me a thing. He did one of the best damn
jobs he could with as MASS of artists clambering to get aboard
Furnation. Hats off to Nexxus for giving artists exposure.
I've also heard from many sources that Furnation isn't going down. I
won't go into the details of why as I'm sketchy on them, but my guess is
the sheer popularity of the archives. There is a post about it on the
artist board on FurryMuck. The last I heard, FurNation could be up as
soon as Friday or Monday.
Thanks again to Nexxus for putting up with it all
Just remember, nobody owes furry anything, Furry is not a union, or some
great god we need to pay homage to, it's a Genre, and people can donate
as little or as much as they want, no questions asked, no stupid time
wasting politics.
Adeus,
T.J
"Ele e caboclo, ele e flecheiro - Bumba na calunga
E matador de feiticeiro - Bumba na calunga
Ele vai firmar seu ponto - Bumba na calunga!!" - Max Cavelera
Hanno Foest
Allen Kitchen <all...@blkbox.com> wrote:
> Then why, the sudden banning of all Centaurs on his site? And why,
> when two artists protested with pictures did they both get terminated?
> I've been a staunch defender of the SCFA, but I'm getting most worried
> about the arbitrary and personal standards Ratman (or his designates)
> use on the site.
I've heard from at least two artists that they had to remove pictures
from the site which have been up for a long time already. Has it been
the same with the Centaurs? This is what worries me - Ratman may be free
to tell his guests whatever restrictions he has in mind for his archive,
but changing his mind about it later is at least impolite towards his
guests.
Hurga
Mark Freid
*sigh*...
The bottom line is this...
There's a small number of people out there who like to look at big dicks
spewing gallons of cum.
There's a small number of people out there who like to look at foxes with
double-D breasts, and big cocks.
There's a small number of people out there who like to look at female skunks
with size 77-ZZ breasts, crushing the life out of a partner, while doing a
golden shower.
And you can see those things at just about any archive... if you know where
to look... and even sometimes even by accident. to my point...
There's a significant number of people who like to look at pictures of
clean, enjoyable anthropomorphic animals. No half-humans, no super-big
headed anime crap-video game rejects from nightmare hell...... just
"Furries."
I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that there was a site that would
have only "clean" art... and I'm still happy that it's there. I won't
pretend to like every artist on the archive... but It's a good idea.
Live with it.
Mark Freid
Kese wrote in message <6fpq8b$b...@camel19.mindspring.com>...
> Excuse me? He owes us? What in God's name are you talking about!!
>He -GAVE- us -FREE- space. He worked his ass off trying to keep the server
>going at absolutely no cost to us. He changed things around at our behest
>and never asked for f$%king thing in return and you say he -owes- us? The
>guy probably feels shitty enough as it is and you have go and post this. As
>for him giving you compensation, what do expect, him to pay for web hosting
>on an isp of your choice? Nexuss owes us -nothing-, but we all owe him a
>little respect.
>I'm sorry if I'm coming off a little pissy, but I am.
>Nakira if you're reading this please tell Nexuss thanks for all the effort
>the next time you talk to him.
>
>Kese
>
Cheer Kese!
Why are there so many people who seem to be of the opinion that people like
Nexuss, Lycan, Kilo, Brian Antoine, Myself, etc. are out there to SERVE
them???
Ack... I'm ranting again... sorry.
-Mark
Brian W. Antoine
Mark Freid (can...@yiffco.com) wrote:
: Why are there so many people who seem to be of the opinion that people like
: Nexuss, Lycan, Kilo, Brian Antoine, Myself, etc. are out there to SERVE
: them???
Are you sure you really want an answer to that? :)
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Kaa
Allen Kitchen wrote:
> If he decides he does
> not like centaurs, what is next? Foxes? Wolves? Dragons?
Actually, long before centaurs were banned, an artist who _only_ draws
dragons was booted out of the rat den.
The point is... if you don't draw _mammals_ as your main subject, you
are NOT welcome on the SCFA. It is hard enough for us who prefer
scaly creatures to be welcomed and accepted by some furs. We don't
need a racist (or speciescist) like the Rat to make things worse.
Ahh, BTW. Furnation is gonna be back online. And even if the SCFA
were the last remaining furry site on the whole internet, I would
still keep my art away from it. Even if I only drew non-spoogy art.
Mind you, I would prefer the CDA ten times over someone who thinks
himself a net and fur god. :P
J. J. Novotny
Mark Freid wrote: (section snipped).
I'm not clear why you're replying to my post with this. My post was
generally positive towards the SCFA and commended anyone who gave their
time, money, and equipment for the advancement of artists and enjoyment
of fans. At no time did I question the existence of a G-rated archive --
I think that it's good to have an archive that everyone can enjoy. I
think yer preaching to the choir here. :)
Cheers;
J. J.
Mark Freid
I wasn't replying to you, specifically... yours just happened to be the last
message I read in the thread before deciding to comment.
I do that ocassionally... sorry. I suffer from an acute case of insanity.
Mark
J. J. Novotny wrote in message <35232F36...@cc.umanitoba.ca>...
John G. Lussmyer
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:49:58 -0800, Nakira <Nak...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Furries,
>
>I just got off the phone with Nexxus and he has informed me that he
>can't get the FurNation server back on-line after 2 weeks of trying
>so he is giving up and even removing himself from the NET.
I find that interesting. Since I spent an hour or so yesterday
browsing the FurNation WEB site. Are you sure you talked with whom
you think you did? Are you sure you remember what they said?
Richard de Wylfin
In article <6fujvi$o9q$1...@velar.olsy-na.com>, bri...@velar.olsy-na.com
(Brian W. Antoine) wrote:
~Mark Freid (can...@yiffco.com) wrote:
~: Why are there so many people who seem to be of the opinion that people like
~: Nexuss, Lycan, Kilo, Brian Antoine, Myself, etc. are out there to SERVE
~: them???
~
~ Are you sure you really want an answer to that? :)
Well, y'all run "servers," so. . .
"Hi, I'm www.furnation.com, and I'll be your server for this evening.
Here's your supoena."
^ ^
o-o
+
richard de wylfin http://i.am/a.furry.fox
Farthing W. Fox
Are you sure that you looked at the date of Nakira's posting? did you
not see his other posting after hoards of people emailed Nexxus? Did you
not see the other news postings to the effect that FurNation was making
a slow return to life?
Once again, proof that USENET is a write-only medium...
--
F W Fox
f...@vulpes.net
'No hamster or purchase necessary'
Brian W. Antoine
Richard de Wylfin (dwy...@usa.net) wrote:
: (Brian W. Antoine) wrote:
: ~ Mark Freid (can...@yiffco.com) wrote:
: ~: Why are there so many people who seem to be of the opinion that people like
: ~: Nexuss, Lycan, Kilo, Brian Antoine, Myself, etc. are out there to SERVE
: ~: them???
: ~
: ~ Are you sure you really want an answer to that? :)
: Well, y'all run "servers," so. . .
: "Hi, I'm www.furnation.com, and I'll be your server for this evening.
: Here's your supoena."
You weren't supposed to deliver that until next week. This weeks delivery
was supposed to be the bill (past due) for the overtime hours spent keeping
the systems running. Geez, now I'll have to mail them out Fur Ex and hope
they get there before Monday. :)
Nate Patrin
Kaa <k...@fone.net> wrote:
> The point is... if you don't draw _mammals_ as your main subject, you
> are NOT welcome on the SCFA.
Do yourself a favor and look at the pages of Jason Furness or Nick Bousman.
Jeezis!
> Mind you, I would prefer the CDA ten times over someone who thinks
> himself a net and fur god. :P
In other words, censorship of everything by the gummint instead of
editorial screening of one site by a single entity. Yep, sounds fine to me.
--
-Nate Patrin
======================================================
"Will I be drawing these damn rabbits forever?" -Matt Groening, 1990
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~patr0044/main.htm
Don Sanders
In article <jinx6568-090...@usr1a36.bratt.sover.net>, jinx...@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote:
>In article <3521AA...@AO-from-Hell.com>, bigbl...@AO-from-Hell.com wrote:
>
>> > And for those who apparently have never bothered to, go read the SCFA
>> > quality control page at http://rat.org/furry/qc.htm.
>> A good point, Robert. I think some people don't even know what they are
>> talking about. Like the recent discussion about Rat's taur ban. I'm sure
>> hardly anybody knows that Rat only banned taurs that are partly human,
>> but NOT entirely animal-like taurs. Guys, before you start to bitch and
>> whine about things, please take a closer look first.
>
>would make sense within the focus area of SCFA (otherwise there'd be no
>point in my even making noises about looking to apply).
> There's also a block on purely animal pictures, which appears to go
>like this- stuff that comes off as wildlife artwork is not anthro enough
>for the archive. An elk standing like an elk against a sunset is arguably
>not appropriate for SCFA (though it'd be most appropriate for black
>velvet! ;) ): an elk standing on hind legs watching a flight of geese
>through binoculars _would_ be appropriate, even if it's very much an elk
>body, because its _posture_ would be anthro, and show the imagination and
>blending of qualities Rat wants to see.
> Jinx_tigr
> (aka Chris Johnson)
Sheeh! Let me get this straight? you mean if I was on SCFA (hypothetical!)
and I drew one of my characters who happens not to be fully anthromorphic
(such as Tambra Sweetpine the feral deer doe), it would not fall into Rat's
guidelines for furry art????
Then I would wonder if there was a SCFA for writing, then a book like
Watership Down would not be within the guidelines.
Ok, I'm awake now, I think I got the full picture. I will shut up now and try
to absorb this information.
Dazed and now fully confused!
Don Sanders
Dsan Tsan on #furry and on FurryMuck
Valsen Tsan on Tapestries
Artist at Roll Yer Own Graphics
http://www.dreamscape.com/dsand101/dsan.htm
(my furry page) Email dsan...@future.dreamscape.com
Ratman
noo...@myemail.com (Don Sanders) wrote:
>Sheeh! Let me get this straight? you mean if I was on SCFA (hypothetical!)
>and I drew one of my characters who happens not to be fully anthromorphic
>(such as Tambra Sweetpine the feral deer doe), it would not fall into Rat's
>guidelines for furry art????
I'm not sure who that character is, but if looks like a real animal, then you're
right. If you only drew real animals, then you wouldn't be allowed on. I let
artists do it sometimes, but not if it's gonna all they draw. This isn't a
wildlife picture archive, it's for anthro/toons.
>Then I would wonder if there was a SCFA for writing, then a book like
>Watership Down would not be within the guidelines.
That's correct. Just because something's cool doesn't mean it should be allowed.
It has to do with creating a niche. I wish people would understand that.
Allen Kitchen
Ratman <ra...@rat.org> wrote in article <352e2a43...@news.rat.org>...
> noo...@myemail.com (Don Sanders) wrote:
> >Then I would wonder if there was a SCFA for writing, then a book like
> >Watership Down would not be within the guidelines.
>
> That's correct. Just because something's cool doesn't mean it should be
allowed.
> It has to do with creating a niche. I wish people would understand that.
Most of us do understand Ratman. It can be the finest example of
science fiction ever written, autographed by ACClark himself. Doesn't
mean it belongs in a Romance archive. Especially if ACClark wrote it :)
As for watership down, that falls into a gray area. The rabbits DO talk
after all. That's anthro, in a strict sense. But since the SCFA is an
anthro ART site, and a rabbit from that novel is (in art) just a rabbit,
it would have to be an exception to the rules. And probably kept few
in number (if that's possible with rabbits.)
BTW: I know you are taking some heat from a few hostiles right now.
Note that they speak (squeak?) only for themselves, and not for the
fandom as a whole. I for one like the site, and wish to thank you for
the hard work and resources involved.
Illegitemi Non-Corobundum Kilo // I think I spelled it right :)
Don Sanders
In article <352e2a43...@news.rat.org>, ra...@rat.org (Ratman) wrote:
>noo...@myemail.com (Don Sanders) wrote:
>
>>Sheeh! Let me get this straight? you mean if I was on SCFA (hypothetical!)
>>and I drew one of my characters who happens not to be fully anthromorphic
>>(such as Tambra Sweetpine the feral deer doe), it would not fall into Rat's
>>guidelines for furry art????
>
>I'm not sure who that character is, but if looks like a real animal, then
> you're
>right. If you only drew real animals, then you wouldn't be allowed on. I let
>artists do it sometimes, but not if it's gonna all they draw. This isn't a
>wildlife picture archive, it's for anthro/toons.
>
Ok, I understand now, if it looks like a real animal, then it's not allowed.
>>Then I would wonder if there was a SCFA for writing, then a book like
>>Watership Down would not be within the guidelines.
>
>That's correct. Just because something's cool doesn't mean it should be
> allowed.
>It has to do with creating a niche. I wish people would understand that.
>
Such as the flood of Sonic art, Sailor moon art, and the Centaur art, I can
see that you are trying to provide a diversity for the viewers, and more so,
trying to provide the best the artists have to offer.
Oh yea, to let you all know, since my questions have been answered on these
subjects, I will no longer provide any input on this thread. All I can say is
that if you want to see Centaurs, Sonic, Sailor Moon, and
non-anthro/semi-anthro art, there are other sources, other archives.
Newsgroups.
Just remember, No Shoes, No Shirts, No Service!
Viva La Pound Underground!!!!!
Mark Freid
Don Sanders wrote in message <6gm0g5$4vr$1...@chaos.ao.net>...
>
>Ok, I understand now, if it looks like a real animal, then it's not
allowed.
>
It seems to be a real grey area... I think the rule is, if it looks like a
real animal DOING things that a real animal would do, it's not allowed.
However, if it looks like a real animal doing things that a real animal
wouldn't do, but things that a human would do. (i.e. having a birthday
party, going to a museum...), it may be allowed. I mean, look at Heather
Riesens work. a perfect example. It's beautiful artwork, and uses
four-legged furries, but they're doing human stuff.
Confusing, perhaps... but if one pays attention to the type of work shown on
the archive, you easily understand the accepted styles.
Mark
Ratman
"Allen Kitchen" <all...@blkbox.com> wrote:
>Ratman <ra...@rat.org> wrote in article <352e2a43...@news.rat.org>...
>> noo...@myemail.com (Don Sanders) wrote:
>> >Then I would wonder if there was a SCFA for writing, then a book like
>> >Watership Down would not be within the guidelines.
>>
>> That's correct. Just because something's cool doesn't mean it should be
>allowed.
>> It has to do with creating a niche. I wish people would understand that.
>
>Most of us do understand Ratman. It can be the finest example of
>science fiction ever written, autographed by ACClark himself. Doesn't
>mean it belongs in a Romance archive. Especially if ACClark wrote it :)
Well put.
>As for watership down, that falls into a gray area. The rabbits DO talk
>after all. That's anthro, in a strict sense. But since the SCFA is an
>anthro ART site, and a rabbit from that novel is (in art) just a rabbit,
>it would have to be an exception to the rules. And probably kept few
>in number (if that's possible with rabbits.)
But they LOOK nonanthro.
I'm pretty lenient about something being "too furry". If an artist puts up a
couple nonanthro drawings, i don't say anything. I just dont want people on that
do nothing but that.
>BTW: I know you are taking some heat from a few hostiles right now.
>Note that they speak (squeak?) only for themselves, and not for the
>fandom as a whole. I for one like the site, and wish to thank you for
>the hard work and resources involved.
Thanks. :)
Don Sanders
I promised myself I would not respond to this thread, but this I just could
not resist!
In article <6go6q3$gpt$1...@rat.org>, "Mark Freid" <can...@yiffco.com> wrote:
>
>Don Sanders wrote in message <6gm0g5$4vr$1...@chaos.ao.net>...
>>
>>Ok, I understand now, if it looks like a real animal, then it's not
>allowed.
>>
>
>It seems to be a real grey area... I think the rule is, if it looks like a
>real animal DOING things that a real animal would do, it's not allowed.
>
oh, ok, I understand, things like running, jumping, eating, breathing, living,
being cute, standing in a sylvan glade. Ohh, got it. :)
>However, if it looks like a real animal doing things that a real animal
>wouldn't do, but things that a human would do. (i.e. having a birthday
>party, going to a museum...), it may be allowed. I mean, look at Heather
>Riesens work. a perfect example. It's beautiful artwork, and uses
>four-legged furries, but they're doing human stuff.
>
well, that kinda limits things for a artist, afterall, anthromorphics is a
fusion of human and animals. Unless I fell asleep when they rewrote the rules
that is.
>Confusing, perhaps... but if one pays attention to the type of work shown on
>the archive, you easily understand the accepted styles.
>
>Mark
>
And I thought that Art was fluid, not set by standard, Oops, there I go
again, reaching for the defination of art (bad dog, bad dog!) Somehow, I get
a real bad feeling when the word 'Accepted Styles' is mentioned, like what is
a unaccepted style? ooops, again, in this case for SCFA, a unacceptable style
is drawing non-anthro and semi-anthro furs acting as themselves.
Viva La Pound Underground.
Mark Freid
Don Sanders wrote in message <6gofuc$mot$1...@chaos.ao.net>...
>
>I promised myself I would not respond to this thread, but this I just could
>not resist!
Yeah, well, sometimes it's hard to get the right wording. In any case, I
wasn't going to respond either, but I couldn't help it.
It's actually very simple if you think about it. The only reason I responded
to the thread in the first place, was that I was thinking of some of the
examples of "four-legged" animals on the archive. Oh well, try to make a
point, and someone has to contradict it... law of A.F.F.
I guess it comes down to this, it;s an archive that a lot of people like,
because they don't want to see hermaphrodite vixens with 12 foot dicks and
200 pount tits jacking off in their own mouths.
People who don't like it can stay away..... there's plenty of other places
to find art. or lack thereof.
Mark
rey...@3-cities.com
Mark Freid <can...@yiffco.com> wrote:
[SNIP]
>
>I guess it comes down to this, it;s an archive that a lot of people like,
>because they don't want to see hermaphrodite vixens with 12 foot dicks and
>200 pount tits jacking off in their own mouths.
>People who don't like it can stay away..... there's plenty of other places
>to find art. or lack thereof.
>
of us look like we've been drawn from the imagination of Doug Winger.
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