Realism/being furry
Becky and Mike Gallant
Locandez wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and yer typical 'pin up' artist's designs.
>
> Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
> have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
> coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
> little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
> However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore do
> not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
> Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have dirty
> streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be black,
> white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as they
> are made out to be.
>
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
> with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
> animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
> it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
>
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
> example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
> design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based my
> design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with tidy
> markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a beautifully
> fluffy tail. _But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem more 'in
> touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form, possibly
> to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly disliked)
> human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your body
> is based on a design thought up by a furry artist who bases his/her designs
> on an established form of human 'beauty', then you might feel that your body
> still contains elements of 'humaness'.
>
> Locandez
>
Well, first a quick plug. I am a realist furry artist! Check out
http://www.furnation.com/kat
As far as which one I'd rather be - definately realistic. I'd be a
domestic cat-furry with no guilt. Food, sex and naps - constantly! ;D
I'd gladly have a pudgy body with lovely little fat deposits and a happy
satisfied puss on my face! What would I look like you may wonder (or
fear?)? You can check that out at the URL above. Sincerely, Becky
Locandez
Locandez
--
"Ever walked through quite a rough area at night? Ever hung around bums and drifters, backpackers - people like that?
Susan Rankin
Interesting subject. Ok, I'll bite. and being an artist, this ought to be fun! For one
thing, not all artists do a pin-up style, but you knew that. I for one, raw furries with realistic
human forms, ie. not perfect figures. SusanDeer (my namesake) for one appears to be
a bit on the chubby side for a deer, but carries herself well. She's plump, yet proportionate.
To be more in tune with nature, she usually wears only some scant, natural jewelry made
from some metals and found stones. She is also an archer, like myself, avoiding modern
means of defense. If you ever see her wearing clothes, chances are, she swiped them
from the clothesline of a hunter's wife! *grin* Occassionally though, there are some
scenes I do with furries, including SusanDeer, in clothing and in human-type situations for
the sake of humor.
When I paint, rather than ink a furry, the coats aren't this neat, uniform color you
describe. I paint in watercolor using a wet under layer, a wet over layer, and then a dry
brush finish layer in many colors of similar tone and value. The same with my color pencil
drawings...multiple layers, multiple colors.
I chose the form of a deer for many reasons, one being that I was once told by 2
sisters (best friend and younger sister) that that's what I reminded them of with my long
neck, long limbs, and somewhat large eyes. My father hunts deer. Deer are in my
backyard. Buckland Cross is the name of my SCA area. And finally, with its frequency in
my dreams, it is my totem animal. Always alert, always looking and listening for
opportunity or danger.
So I guess you could say I'd be a naturalistic human fur.
SusanDeer
Robert Bobby Holiday
In article <na.e56136479f...@argonet.co.uk>, Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
>realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
>Mother Nature's designs and yer typical 'pin up' artist's designs.
Well, I'm a 'pinup' type artist that does stylized designs.. but I myself
would prefer realism as well. The thing with being furry to me is not so much
appearance as it is emotions, it _feels_ good to be furry, so appearances
and such don't make any difference to me.. I'm sure many share this opinion
(perhaps a small portion of the reasoning behind so much open-mindedness in
fandom? `:) )..
> Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
>have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
>coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
>little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
Well, the catch in that instance is that of a trend.. many furry artists
(myself included) tend to draw furries based on the input we recieved as
children, and whatnot.. what our mind imagines a 'furry' to be. Artists also
do tend to take after other artists.. ad infinitum...
>However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore do
>not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
>Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have dirty
>streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be black,
>white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as they
>are made out to be.
True.. but again, it's fantasy. `:) And remember, that furries are 'civilized'
animals in most depictions.. humans aren't smooth-skinned well-groomed
creatures, either, but shampoo, scissors and a razor work wonders.. `:)
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
>with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
>animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
>it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
Ehh, look at my art; none of my furs are well-built muscle-d00ds.. they're
admittedly not scrawny malnourished critters either, but who wants to look at
pictures of scrawny furries with ribs showing? `:P
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
>that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
>example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
>design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based my
>design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with tidy
>markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a beautifully
>fluffy tail. _But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem more 'in
>touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form, possibly
>to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly disliked)
>human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your body
>is based on a design thought up by a furry artist who bases his/her designs
>on an established form of human 'beauty', then you might feel that your body
>still contains elements of 'humaness'.
Now, don't get me wrong, but we're all human, here..
So to speak. We are human animals, we're just animals with a higher cranial
capacity and less attuned emotions/senses. The appeal of being furry to me is
not appearance, but the emotional aspect. The enhanced and powerful feelings
that come with it, love, anger, jealousy, compassion, and caring, etc, are
wonderful and dangerous at the same time, but hey, it's all part of being what
I am.
The supposed form I would take is that of either a musteline or vulpine, thin
with tawny build and soft fur, scruffy but not dirty, and feralistic.
>Locandez
Bobby
hol...@lynx.bc.ca
ftp://furry.isc-br.com/pub/Images/Bobby
http://bobby.home.ml.org - http://www.furnation.com/bobby
Trot Fox
Locandez wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and yer typical 'pin up' artist's designs.
Stick me with a grey fox' body and I'd be happy. If I gotta be upright,
I'd live. ;)
> Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
> have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
> coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
> little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
> However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore do
> not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
> Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have dirty
> streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be black,
> white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as they
> are made out to be.
I've noticed that... If I was worried about how my character looked (ok
ok, how I look) I'd say I was a cute lil red fox. However, the grey
fox is much more what I _am_. It climbs, 'tis a little rough around the
fur, and it's not the most beautiful fox out there IMHO but it fits me.
That's why I claim it. :)
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
> with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
> animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
> it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
Heh, I've been called scrawny in my day. ;)
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
> example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
> design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based my
> design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with tidy
> markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a beautifully
I'd be the little grey fox with al the mottled dark redish fur on his
belly and all. :) How's that?
> Locandez
> "Ever walked through quite a rough area at night? Ever hung around bums and > drifters, backpackers - people like that?
Why, no. I haven't.
Trot
--
Trot Fox /"Unless we change directions, we
are
http://web2.airmail.net/trotfox5/ / likely to end up where we are
going."
addy spaminated, change to solomon@ to get through.
Buster Charlie
hol...@lynx.bc.ca (Robert "Bobby" Holiday) wrote:
(SNIP)
>The supposed form I would take is that of either a musteline or vulpine, thin
>with tawny build and soft fur, scruffy but not dirty, and feralistic.
>
>>Locandez
>
>Bobby
>hol...@lynx.bc.ca
>ftp://furry.isc-br.com/pub/Images/Bobby
>http://bobby.home.ml.org - http://www.furnation.com/bobby
Yeah, me too. But I would go for musteline, before vulpine. Why? Now don't
get me wrong, foxes kick tail. But The thing is...
I CAN'T TAKE THE SMELL OF COFFEE!!!!!!
(Buster looks quickly around for Locan, and RUNS LIKE HELL!)
Locandez
In article <5oq8fi$i...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>, Buster Charlie
<Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, me too. But I would go for musteline, before vulpine. Why? Now don't
>get me wrong, foxes kick tail. But The thing is...
>
>I CAN'T TAKE THE SMELL OF COFFEE!!!!!!
>
>(Buster looks quickly around for Locan, and RUNS LIKE HELL!)
Nope, too late. <Locandez snatches Buster up in one fell swoop, and gives
him a damned good head noogie, before pouring LotCaf Decaf over him>
Locandez
--
What do you call 20 Mancunians in a filing cabinet? Sorted!
Cybskunk
>Not all humans are like pin-ups, either, with perfect full hair,
>ruby-red lips, smooth blemish-free skin, bright clear eyes, >endowments
>only possibly via cosmetic surgery, etc etc. Perhaps these "perfect
>foxes" become pin-ups because they are perfect, not the other way
>around.
If we're talking anthromorphs, why shouldn't they have their own brand of
cosmetic surgery? Less-than-perfect fur patterns are easy -- the proper
application of fur dyes to give those perfect white "gloves" annd "boots",
a perfect white tail-tip, and cosmetics to groom and fluff the tail from
realistic fox to pinup standards.
As for build, I've always drawn foxes with slim, elf-like figures.
Fhaolan
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5oq0bq$80t$1...@velar.isc-br.com>, hol...@lynx.bc.ca (Robert
>"Bobby" Holiday) wrote:
>>
>>> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
>>>that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
>>>example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
<snip>
>This was originally posted to alt.lifestyle.furry; I decided to post it here
>to see if fans would answer differently. Effectively, us lifestylers _are_
>animals (spiritually, I mean), which is why most chose to reject the furry
>artist style and have a relatively 'realistic' form. Mind you, they fell
>into my trap here! :) They forgot that _any_ anthro stance is based partly
>on a human body... ;)
Fhaolan joins in the conversation late, trying to catch up fast.
"Interestin' question. Lets see if I can attack it from a differen'
angle."
"In tha' question, an assumption is made. Tha assumption tha'
'artistic' furries are perfectly formed, instead o' 'realistic'. A
reasonable assumption, given wha' I've seen at cons an' in 'zines, an'
in artist's sketchbooks, bu' still an assumption. In me own case, I'm
tryin' tae improve me drawin' skill tae tha' point where I *can* draw
'realistic' furs. Where tha' fur is discoloured in patches, nicked
ears, an' other natural blemeshes. I'm verra far from reachin' tha'
stage, bu' tha's me goal. I realise tha' stylization o' form is a big
thing in current art circles, bu' I've always had a thing for
'photo-realistic' art. I'm impressed by tha' level o' technical skill
it takes tae do it."
A grin spreads across the wolfen's face, "I like toony-style furries a
lot, like tha' stuff created by Genesis Cook, an' Amara, an' Melissa
Drake an' others. Mainly because there's somethin' interestin' goin'
on in their pictures. They tell stories with their art. Bu' when I
draw, even when I *try* tae draw toons, it always moves towards
realism instead. Dunno why."
"So anyway, there's me answer. I seem tae prefer realism. If I could
truely be tha character 'Fhaolan', I would be jus' as scruffy as...
well, as I am in RL." :)
-(Just noticed somethin' interestin'. If I list all tha artists who's
work I like, jus' over 75% o' them are women. Is tha' because there
are more women in art, or am I simply bein' drawn tae somethin' in tha
art tha' I, as a male, am unable tae duplicate? Oh, an' I'm talkin'
abou' art in general, nae jus' furry art. :)
Fhaolan the Celtic Wolfie
ark...@istar.ca
http://rat.org/pub/furry/kempal/index.htm
"An nae! I dinn'a have tae eat Dr. Ballards tae have a nice shiny coat!" - Fhaolan
FurryCode: FCW3admrswA++CD+H++M+PR+T+++W-ZSm+ RLCTacw++d+e++f+h*i+psm-
Noelani Manawolf
In article <na.e56136479f...@argonet.co.uk>, lyn...@argonet.co.uk
says...
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
>realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
>Mother Nature's designs and yer typical 'pin up' artist's designs.
>
<snip>
All I want is fur, ears, tail, and muzzle. The rest is completely negotiable.
If I be scrawny, so be it. I can handle that. Just make me furry, I'll take
whatever I can get. And I'll go for realism, should I have a choice.
Lenester Taxidean
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:45:27, Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
As I am online, so would I be if I had my choice of bodies in the physical
world: an American badger, minimally morphic. Larger, to fit in the human
world; slightly modified legs/back, forepaws, and throat/muzzle, to allow
bipedal stance, hand functionality, and speech. That's it. Same
three-sizes-too-large, extra-thick skin; same coarse, heavy, mottled fur.
I'd be quite happy to find an artist that would depict such, of course...
Lenester Taxidean
http://www.asis.com/~liefc/
Boss Hoss
Boss Hoss <boss...@cswnet.com> wrote:
>(nicker,whuff)I have given a lot of thought on that myself over the
>years.I would probably take whatever style of furryness was offered
>as either way beats being human.;=P Even better if"horse"is available,
>With the equine form,artistic or realistic would be little difference,
>as I would look awsome properly groomed,since equi-morphs would have
>well-shaped muscle and form.And..I would have the confidence to seek
>out willing females(preferably morphs,any species)>;=)
> Praying for'Morphing gene-therapy,
> -BOSS HOSS
>
I'm adding on in attempt to see if Bobcatt sees this,since he has not
responded to My posts.I am wondering if his reader can only get me on
this part of this thread. Bobcattt,if you see this,I have not been
ignoring you.All attempts to e-mail have failed.Do you have anti-spam
in your address I do not recognise?Also,if your e-mail to Me was a copy
of a post,it has not appeared here on either reader I have:news.rec
and isc.br.com. Anyone have suggestions on what is going on?
Furry Forever,
BOSS HOSS