Penny Arcade chimes in...
Doodles
Given that the artist and writer are self-confessed gamer geeks, I would
call this a case of light-hearted
fun. =};-3
Gabriel Gentile
dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net wrote on 4/3/02 8:05 AM:
Either way, it gets a dry smile outta me.
Bahumat
something.
Shit, now penny-arcade is bashing furry. I'm coming to the realization
every source I trust for anything now hates my favorite hobby. Well, fuck...
Bahumat,
bearing his cross
Melissa MelSkunk Drake
I find it suitably suspicious that they know what Jadeclaw is, so I'm
willing to forgive them. Plus, it's funny. I mean, funnier than usual
for this sort of thing. Right up there with Brunching's comments on
furry, which of course means they're going to get a lot of hate mail
from people who 'draw husky fox guys with big wing-wongs'.
Baloo Ursidae
Cerulean
>Nah. When Gabe and Tycho don't like something, they ~really~ don't like
>something.
>
>Shit, now penny-arcade is bashing furry. I'm coming to the realization
>every source I trust for anything now hates my favorite hobby. Well, fuck...
Note that they don't have a label for "animals who are also people,"
and can cite examples. I give them LOTS of credit for the fact they
choose to dislike said material for what it is, not because they heard
about "furry" from some mockery rag and want to use it for material so
that they look cool mocking what others are mocking (as seems to be
the case with Something Awful). I'm glad to see that for once there's
no need to waste time trying to correct misconceptions; there are no
misconceptions. They know what they're looking at, and made a clear
statement of their tastes, end of story.
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Kevin Halse
Ya'know, for hating smouldering cheetah temptreses(?) Gabe draws a
mean smouldering cheetah temptress(?)
AJL
> Ya'know, for hating smouldering cheetah temptreses(?) Gabe draws a
> mean smouldering cheetah temptress(?)
It's not hard to draw if all you do is put a picture on the screen and
trace it with photoshop.
Copmare XianJaguar's piece in the Yerf archive
http://www.yerf.com/dianbren/xianbeac.jpg
with the drawing he did:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020403l.gif
He's apparantly a no-talent hack pirate, on top of being an anti-furry
bigot. Go figure.
--Darrel.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> Ya'know, for hating smouldering cheetah temptreses(?) Gabe draws a
> mean smouldering cheetah temptress(?)
It's a direct trace from a picture on Yerf. There's a thread on this on
the Yerf NGs.
TT
Bob M. Guthrie
kevin...@aol.com (Kevin Halse) wrote:
> Ya'know, for hating smouldering cheetah temptreses(?) Gabe draws a
> mean smouldering cheetah temptress(?)
Not his "design." A direct lift from a YERF Showcase Archive's artist
(Brenda DiAntonis [XianJaguar] in this case):
http://www.yerf.com/dianbren/xianbeac.jpg
Funny that the illustration he choosed to "borrow" to "present" his
dislike for "Husky (Animal People) Fox Men with massive Wing-Wongs,"
had to be the least likely (in the Impossible Range) illustrator to
EVER draw anything on that subject/matter.
From YERF even,...(?)
BMG
LancerAdvancd iBuck
>mean smouldering cheetah temptress(?)
>
If only, she's obviously a leopard or jaguar, rosettes, and no tearstripes....
iBuck
Homepage at http://lanceradvanced.com/Furry
"You can have it these ways :Fancy,Correct,Quickly- Pick 2"
XianJaguar
(Brenda DiAntonis [XianJaguar] in this case):
http://www.yerf.com/dianbren/xianbeac.jpg>>
The comic said "Cheetah!"
CHEETAH? Now my character is a cheetah?
Don't make me post my comparison pic of leopard spots, cheetah spots and jaguar
spots together for the unschooled to see the difference.
I hope the creator of the comic learns the difference someday. :P
XianJAGUAR
RHJunior
drawings in Photoshop and call it a comic strip. Or with (gag, choke, puke)
Gamer Comics. Or comic strip writers that wouldn't be capable of writing
anything actually *funny* even if the alternative was castration with dull
garden shears.
Oh look--- Penny Arcade. Three kinds of runny, oozy crap for the price of
one !
Ring ring, pick up the clue phone, Pimple Lips. Put down the game
controller, unplug the console, hose yourselves down, go outside *and get a
life.*
--
RHJunior
"What was that popping noise ?"
"A paradigm shifting without
a clutch." --Dilbert
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http://NPC.keenspace.com
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M. Mitchell Marmel
> He's apparantly a no-talent hack pirate, on top of being an anti-furry
> bigot. Go figure.
You can piss and moan about Penny Arcade, or you can mock them right back.
Et voila!
http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php?ID=64981
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> http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php?ID=64981
And foidermore...
http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php?ID=64984
Try it! It's therapeutic and fun!
Martin Skunk
I'm reading thru the site's forums and found a thread about the definition
of furries. Let me quote some:
"The last time I checked ( what is furry) is a sexual fetish. Most of the
furries I've run into are in hentai type stuff.
Basically animal humans. Some people find it sexy. I do not. *Shudder* "
"Hmmm.... I thought furries where those people who dress up in big animal
costumes (like the mascots at ballgames) and get it on... I saw something
about that on tv somewhere. I don't see any difference between that and
people who cover themselves in liquid latex or who like to be tied up or any
other sexual fetish. "
"My experience with furies has always been on online text-based games.
People who like to pretend that they're anthropomorphic animals (...). They
seem to take it pretty seriously, which I think is hilarious. My brother
once showed me this site he stumbled upon where this guy made mp3 files of
himself ranting for at least 45 minutes at a time about ISSUES OF THE FURRY
WORLD. "
"Oh...ok. So we're not just talking about people with a sexual fetish, we're
talking about CRAZY people with a sexual fetish. I get it. Yeah... crazy
people are scary."
"...as long as these people dont kill people i dont care, its a fetish, lots
of people have them..."
"Well I for one have never seen any furry stuff that isn't of a sexual
nature, like that picture in the first frame of todays comics. If you can
find me one furry pic that isn't sexual in nature I'm sure I'll change my
mind, but until then you're all freaks. "
"...Ok I looked at yerf, and I'm sorry, but over half of it had blatant pent
up sexuality expressed in those pictures..." (!)
"...no matter how you furries try to justify it, theres no getting over the
fact that furries are just weird creepy people..."
As you can read, people is getting more and more aware about
furrydom. :b
---Martin Skunk
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> He's apparantly a no-talent hack pirate, on top of being an anti-furry
> bigot. Go figure.
Okay I gotta' bite. Exactly how is he a bigot?
TT
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> "Doodles" <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:a8f5i0$t1a$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
> > http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020403l.gif
> >
> > Given that the artist and writer are self-confessed gamer geeks, I would
> > call this a case of light-hearted
> > fun. =};-3
>
> I'm reading thru the site's forums and found a thread about the definition
> of furries. Let me quote some:
>
> "The last time I checked
Now is this the creators of PA speaking, or just random people posting
on their boards?
TT
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> "Doodles" <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:a8f5i0$t1a$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
> > http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020403l.gif
> >
> > Given that the artist and writer are self-confessed gamer geeks, I would
> > call this a case of light-hearted
> > fun. =};-3
>
> I'm reading thru the site's forums and found a thread about the definition
> of furries. Let me quote some:
Never mind the question, I answered it myself.
Okay those were from random people.
Not Tycho and Gabe.
TT
Martin Skunk
news:3CABB532...@sprintmail.com...
> Never mind the question, I answered it myself.
>
> Okay those were from random people.
>
> Not Tycho and Gabe.
Exactly. You can find their thoughts about the issue on the webcomic's main
page. Kyle seems surprised at the reaction this strip generated.
---Martin Skunk
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
Here's exactly what Gabe (1 of 2 PA guys) had to say
--------------
Wow, lots of talk in the forum about today's comic strip. I had no idea
that furies see them selves as being so unfairly persecuted. I guess
they get this kind of shit from people all the time. I can't imagine
why. *cough*nakedanimalporn*cough* I did get some nice mails from people
pointing me towards what they called "tasteful" furry art. It turned out
to be a rabbit woman in a bikini, soaking wet. I guess she had just gone
swimming or something. It's totally okay for you guys to draw that
stuff. It's also totally okay for me to say I don't like it. I mean come
on. When you draw a picture of a unicorn man screwing a gazelle chick on
a rainbow in outer space you have to expect some people to be a bit
turned off by it.
-----------------
( This isn't directed at you Martin)
I think this sentance sums it all up best "It's totally okay for you
guys to draw that stuff. It's also totally okay for me to say I don't
like it. I mean come on."
Sometimes some of y'all are too paranoid on the subject. There's a
difference between having a right to exist and everyone else having to
like what you like. Some people do not, and will never like anthro
characters. That's their choice, leave them alone. You're only making
yourself look screwy every time you cry wolf over it.
TT
J.P. Morgan
Hold it, hold it... they "Make an exception for animals who are also
ninjas"?? TMNT?! They think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are
cool??? Yah boo to the TMNT!
Martin Skunk
> Martin Skunk wrote:
> >
> > > Not Tycho and Gabe.
> >
> > Exactly. You can find their thoughts about the issue on the webcomic's
main
> > page. Kyle seems surprised at the reaction this strip generated.
I stand corrected. I meant Gabe, and not Kyle. I got confused by the
title. :b
>
> Here's exactly what Gabe (1 of 2 PA guys) had to say
<snip>
> I think this sentance sums it all up best "It's totally okay for you
> guys to draw that stuff. It's also totally okay for me to say I don't
> like it. I mean come on."
Yes. It seems he wasn't expecting such volume of roaring. And that's
probably 'cause we furries tend to take everything extremely seriously, from
our own fandom to the criticisms we can get from inside or outside it.
Either we try to underrrate it, or overreact to it. :b
> Sometimes some of y'all are too paranoid on the subject. There's a
> difference between having a right to exist and everyone else having to
> like what you like. Some people do not, and will never like anthro
> characters. That's their choice, leave them alone. You're only making
> yourself look screwy every time you cry wolf over it.
I second that opinion and suggestion. In many cases, the more noise,
the worse. :b
---Martin Skunk
Chris Beilby
> Hold it, hold it... they "Make an exception for animals who are also
> ninjas"?? TMNT?! They think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are
> cool??? Yah boo to the TMNT!
Obviously someone who doesn't know of the Turtles other than through the old
cartoon, the movies, and the Saban live action series. If you'd ever read
the original comic, you'd know that the Turtles were VERY watered down when
they got big.
Atara
<3CABBC2A...@sprintmail.com>:
> Wow, lots of talk in the forum about today's comic strip. I had no
> idea
>that furies see them selves as being so unfairly persecuted. I guess
>they get this kind of shit from people all the time. I can't imagine
>why. *cough*nakedanimalporn*cough* I did get some nice mails from people
>pointing me towards what they called "tasteful" furry art. It turned out
>to be a rabbit woman in a bikini, soaking wet. I guess she had just gone
>swimming or something. It's totally okay for you guys to draw that
>stuff. It's also totally okay for me to say I don't like it. I mean come
>on. When you draw a picture of a unicorn man screwing a gazelle chick on
>a rainbow in outer space you have to expect some people to be a bit
>turned off by it.
*dingdingding*
Not a damn word about "lifestylers." Go figure. =)
--
Atara
"Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus."
http://www.FurNation.com/Atara/
***What doesn't fit in my email addy? NADA.***
Kitryn de Pluie
<redk...@sprintmail.com> had the audacity to state the following:
Don't you know? Anyone who doesn't LOVE FURRY is a GODDAMN BIGOT.
:p
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Baloo Ursidae
> As you can read, people is getting more and more aware about
> furrydom. :b
OK, this is all PKB at worst, though, until the gaming world drops it's
softcore porn fixation with every female character in every game.
--
Baloo
Brian Graeme
whacking off to hermaphroditic scat snuff hentai pr0n on Stile Project?
"Martin Skunk" <marti...@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message
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ilr
"M. Mitchell Marmel" <marm...@drexel.edu> wrote in message news:3CABA7A3...@drexel.edu...
> AJL wrote:
>
> > He's apparantly a no-talent hack pirate, on top of being an anti-furry
> > bigot. Go figure.
>
> You can piss and moan about Penny Arcade, or you can mock them right back.
>
It's not like P.A. doesn't have it's enemies.
Most of the voices in my head laughed their asses of at this.
http://www.elftor.com/101.html
"We like this kind of comedy, we like it a Lot" -Jimmy Pop
-Ilr
ilr
"Chris Beilby" <cbe...@hroads.net> wrote in message news:7_Pq8.19$n3....@sydney.visi.net...
from time to time, with some very wigged out stuff, usually very erotic and
toony at the same time. It's Kewl ass shit.
-Ilr
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> "Chris Beilby" <cbe...@hroads.net> wrote in message news:7_Pq8.19$n3....@sydney.visi.net...
> >
> > > Hold it, hold it... they "Make an exception for animals who are also
> > > ninjas"?? TMNT?! They think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are
> > > cool??? Yah boo to the TMNT!
> >
> > Obviously someone who doesn't know of the Turtles other than through the old
> > cartoon, the movies, and the Saban live action series. If you'd ever read
> > the original comic, you'd know that the Turtles were VERY watered down when
> > they got big.
> >
> Their Originator
Don't forget there were two originators.
> moved on to other things, he's appearing in Heavy Metal Mag
> from time to time, with some very wigged out stuff, usually very erotic and
> toony at the same time. It's Kewl ass shit.
> -Ilr
I thought he had been there the whole time?
TT
Dragon Magic
I think it's not so much that he doesn't love furry that makes him
a bigot, but that he lumps everyone into the sex-crazed animal-porn
department if they're a furry, and that's why he hates them.
Same thing as declaring you hate blacks because they're all
criminals. They're not, but by that declaration you're a bigot.
I didn't find the comic funny, but I often find Penny Arcade
not funny. It's those rare instances when it's dead on that
I continue to read it.
ilr
"Martin Skunk" <marti...@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message news:a8ga2g$udk$1...@raccoon.fur.com...
>
>
> furrydom. :b
>
>
this garbage for one lifetime when KoRn was taking off, thank you.
And All I'll say about it, is coming up, you heard NOTHING BUT
disparaging remarks. Most common were "Little gay crybabies"
followed by "Didn't they name the band that cuz they shove
corn cobs up their asses?" and a whole plethora of other insecure
crap. It eventually teetered off at the end when there was finally
enough new faces present in General-Life™ who liked the Band to drown
out the Lamers with "Hey, these guys are kewl, I'm diggin this music".
But I tell, ya, those first few years were a killer.
This is the problem people, other geeks feel like they're in
a constant competition with you if you have any kind of affinity
and voice it. They want their own Pursuit first, be it AD&D, Freestyle,
Upcomming-Trendy-Thingy, Burnt-Out-Trendy-Thing, whatever
the hell you can think of that MIGHT possibly have mainstream
appeal hidden somewhere in it's anti-social septic tank. Gamers
are typically the worst at this, second only to Animators it appears ;)
So they'll say anything to feel better about themselves and put
the other guys down because they're insecure about their own
personal puruits in "Geekdom". They don't believe in "Live and
Let Live"
But As long as it doesn't stop me from Slobbering Chaz-Drenched
Vixens with power tools, I could give a fuck less what these people do.
And Even people in this fandom fall into that category of "insecure"
competitors who can't mind their own fukkin business so if they've
got a problem with us SpoogeHounds, they can Talk-to-the-Hand
like everyone else.
-Ilr
Adrian Wolf von müden Augen
>
>>Okay I gotta' bite. Exactly how is he a bigot?
> Don't you know? Anyone who doesn't LOVE FURRY is a GODDAMN BIGOT.
He's also anti-zombie. :)
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presZeroOn...@umn.edu
(to e-mail me, convert spelled numbers to digits)
ilr
"Tlalocelotl Tlatoani" <redk...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:3CABFD27...@sprintmail.com...
>
> Don't forget there were two originators.
>
>
really remember in the first place. I was still in
2nd Grade when this stuff was happening I think.
Wasn't MY bad. ;)
-Ilr
Baloo Ursidae
> I didn't find the comic funny, but I often find Penny Arcade
> not funny. It's those rare instances when it's dead on that
> I continue to read it.
I usully let someone else rake that cesspool and find the gems for me.
Like the Ursine Adventures one was good (and painfully true about the
Xbox controller)
--
Baloo
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> > Don't you know? Anyone who doesn't LOVE FURRY is a GODDAMN BIGOT.
>
> I think it's not so much that he doesn't love furry that makes him
> a bigot, but that he lumps everyone into the sex-crazed animal-porn
> department if they're a furry, and that's why he hates them.
The strip itself didn't mention fans. It simply dealt with imaginary
characters. So the hate in question isn't directed at people. Ya' can't
call him a bigot for hating imaginary characters. Furries are just
assuming that because they've got a persecution complex.
On the second part, I don't know when the "bigot" comment went up in
comparison to Gabe's response, but even in that response he didn't lump
sum everyone together. He mentions it, but at the same times gives
credence to "tasteful" anthro art he had seen.
TT
Pegasus316
really does a whole lot IN the book, he just publishes it.
He and Peter Laird got the rights to TMNT back recently, and have
started up a new series, getting back to the roots of the original
storywork again.
'Course, what that may be, necessarily, is still up for debate. I never
really followed the original series too well. :P And, the new series, I
didn't start reading 'til issue #2 came out. So, right off the bat, I'm
in the dark. >_<
Seeya!
Pegasus316
http://wanderingtrials.keenspace.com
http://trialsandtrivializations.keenspace.com
http://www.FurNation.com/Pegasus316
Sven Tegethoff
> I'm reading thru the site's forums and found a thread about the definition
> of furries. Let me quote some:
>
> "The last time I checked ( what is furry) is a sexual fetish. Most of the
> furries I've run into are in hentai type stuff.
> Basically animal humans. Some people find it sexy. I do not. *Shudder* "
Oh well, you're listening to 12 year old gamer geeks. They'll
say the same about a classmate who wears the wrong brand of shoes.
yours,
Cheetah
G. Raymond Eddy
My guess is he's probably guilty of "technical hatred". If you
oppose something that is actually considered a lifestyle, whose
participants believe themselves to be born the way they are, and
initiate into the lifestyle with a self-realization episode (i.e. they
realize they're furry) and come "out of the closet" as furry, then you
have done something that's not very Politically Correct. By the
standards of that lifestyle, you are in a state of hatred against it.
Repent, non-sinner!
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Dragon Magic
Furry weddings!
* runs *
J.P. Morgan
But I AM familiar with their pre-"big-success" days... thaey had some
nice art, but mediocre stories in those days. The product-placement
days just made it worse.
Brian Graeme
example, Splinter was a rat who was tossed into the sewer by accident as his
master was assasinated by the Foot clan... Very Frank Milleresque in style
and storytelling...
As for one of the directions they're planning on taking, they're planning to
make a live action movie (or was it TV) series directed by John
Wu(confirmed), more info can be found at
http://www.upcomingmovies.com/teenagemutantninjaturtles.html ...
Also, there's allegedly a full anime version out there that was produced in
1997, but I'm unsure to how the overall quality is...
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AJL
> AJL wrote:
> > He's apparantly a no-talent hack pirate, on top of being an anti-furry
> > bigot. Go figure.
>
> Okay I gotta' bite. Exactly how is he a bigot?
Anyone who thinks their "group" is better than others is by definition a
bigot.
AJL
>
> Well, it was much darker and grittier, in the original storyline, for
> example, Splinter was a rat who was tossed into the sewer by accident as his
> master was assasinated by the Foot clan... Very Frank Milleresque in style
> and storytelling...
However, there were *many* inside jokes along the way in the original
stories. Their origin story, for example, is a direct ripoff/parody of
Daredevil's origin. I remember noticing the similarity and that's what
hooked me on the book when it first came out. I'm sure there are other
inside jokes that I';ve missed.
> As for one of the directions they're planning on taking, they're planning to
> make a live action movie (or was it TV) series directed by John
> Wu(confirmed), more info can be found at
> http://www.upcomingmovies.com/teenagemutantninjaturtles.html ...
I had heard that it would be CGI, not live action.
--Darrel.
Eric
> >
> > Well, it was much darker and grittier, in the original storyline, for
> > example, Splinter was a rat who was tossed into the sewer by accident as
his
> > master was assasinated by the Foot clan... Very Frank Milleresque in
style
> > and storytelling...
>
> However, there were *many* inside jokes along the way in the original
> stories. Their origin story, for example, is a direct ripoff/parody of
> Daredevil's origin. I remember noticing the similarity and that's what
> hooked me on the book when it first came out. I'm sure there are other
> inside jokes that I';ve missed.
>
the beleagured and barely known mini-series done by Frank Miller in the
1980's. It was so poorly received many people never even saw copies of
issues 5 & 6, due to low orders. A great story, published at the wrong
time.
Scott Kellogg
I think it would be *exceptionally* cool if people used as much energy
to have a discussion this enthusiastic over one of the actual furry
comic strips.
Not even Sabrina Online ever evokes quite so many posts as did Penny
Arcade.
But, that's just my opinion, and it's almost certainly colored by a
bit of sour grapes. Take it for what it's worth and a large dose of
salt. :)
Scott Kellogg
21st Century Fox
http://techfox.keenspace.com/
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
Ah, but he never said gamers were better than furries. His strip fails
to mention furries, and even in his editorial post attached later, he
didn't lump all furries together or put them down together. He addressed
one "half" then made a comment at the other half. And at no point did he
compare gamers to furries. So again how is he a bigot? I think you're
overreacting.
TT
AJL
You're probably right... I'll ammend my statement: he's just a no-talent
hack pirate.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
Okay, and you have a right to your opinion :-)
Don't think I was singling you out either, I just get tired of furries
overusing the words "bigot" and "persecuted." No matter how much you
don't like some of the coverage you've gotten, y'all haven't even begun
to feel the sting of real persecution. The s*** that's happening is
Israel right now? THAT is persecution. THAT is bigotry.
I'll get off my soap box now ;-p
TT
Baloo Ursidae
> Don't think I was singling you out either, I just get tired of furries
> overusing the words "bigot" and "persecuted." No matter how much you
This is more a generic geek thing than specific to furries. Hence the
terms "Amiga persecution complex" and widespread acceptance of bigot
used to describe someone who is deeply entrenched in a particular
system. I, for example, am not a Linux bigot. I like MacOS, and
various other unixes. However, my tendancy to consider Debian as the
One True Operating System definately makes me a Debian bigot. Yeah, the
install's tricky, but installing new software is one command and as fast
as your connection will take you. And it comes in three flavors:
Linux, Hurd and BSD.
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Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redk...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't think I was singling you out either, I just get tired of furries
> > overusing the words "bigot" and "persecuted." No matter how much you
>
> This is more a generic geek thing than specific to furries. Hence the
> terms "Amiga persecution complex" and widespread acceptance of bigot
> used to describe someone who is deeply entrenched in a particular
> system.
Okay, news to me. Even in the old Rap vs. name-your-suburbanite-music
arguments I used to get into as a kid no one poppd out the word bigot.
Prejudice? Yeah. But not bigot. Furry fandom is the only fandom I'm
am... or was aware of that did this. It's annoying to me, especially
with the kind of news I read. Like a valley teenager complaining about
his poverty because he can't afford a snickers bar with his coca-cola.
TT
Pegasus316
>
> However, there were *many* inside jokes along the way in the original
> stories. Their origin story, for example, is a direct ripoff/parody of
> Daredevil's origin. I remember noticing the similarity and that's what
> hooked me on the book when it first came out. I'm sure there are other
> inside jokes that I';ve missed.
Not quite a parody. More like a direct result of Daredevil's origin.
The whole idea is that Matt Murdock, as a boy, saved an old man from
being run over by a truck. The truck swerved to avoid an accident,
knocking those drums of toxic waste over and spilling into Murdock's
eyes. At the same time, those same chemicals washed into the sewers and
covered the 4 turtles and Splinter.
Now, what I wonder about is whether or not they'll ever try to have
another intercompany crossover (something that's been increasingly
popular of late) with Daredevil and TMNT. Hey, why the hell not, huh??
;)
Now THAT would be an interesting one to see. ;)
Baloo Ursidae
> Okay, news to me. Even in the old Rap vs. name-your-suburbanite-music
> arguments I used to get into as a kid no one poppd out the word bigot.
Probably because you weren't in a geeky enough crowd.
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Sven Tegethoff
> On 4 Apr 2002 13:52:11 +0200, che...@tigress.com (Sven Tegethoff) wrote:
>
>>Martin Skunk <marti...@notcoldmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> "The last time I checked ( what is furry) is a sexual fetish. Most of the
>>> furries I've run into are in hentai type stuff.
>>> Basically animal humans. Some people find it sexy. I do not. *Shudder* "
>>
>>Oh well, you're listening to 12 year old gamer geeks. They'll
>>say the same about a classmate who wears the wrong brand of shoes.
>
>
> (no offence, Sven)
That was intentional :) At least one person got it.
And just like the stereotype about furries, there's always
a grain of truth in it. Just a grain, but it's there.
yours,
Cheetah
Philip M. Cohen
>
> Yeah, Kevin Eastman was the one who started Heavy Metal. I'm not sure he
> really does a whole lot IN the book, he just publishes it.
Heavy Metal was started by the publisher of National Lampoon in 1977.
Eastman had nothing to do with it until he bought it in 1991. He's still
listed as Editor-in-Chief.
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<redk...@sprintmail.com> said...
*winces*
Ouch. A valley teenager... Is there an article that goes along with that?
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>
> A little bird whispered in my ear that Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
> <redk...@sprintmail.com> said...
>
> > Baloo Ursidae wrote:
> >>
> >> Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redk...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Don't think I was singling you out either, I just get tired
> >> > of furries overusing the words "bigot" and "persecuted." No
> >> > matter how much you
> >>
> >> This is more a generic geek thing than specific to furries. Hence the
> >> terms "Amiga persecution complex" and widespread acceptance of bigot
> >> used to describe someone who is deeply entrenched in a particular
> >> system.
> >
> > Okay, news to me. Even in the old Rap vs.
> > name-your-suburbanite-music
> > arguments I used to get into as a kid no one poppd out the word bigot.
> > Prejudice? Yeah. But not bigot. Furry fandom is the only fandom I'm
> > am... or was aware of that did this. It's annoying to me, especially
> > with the kind of news I read. Like a valley teenager complaining about
> > his poverty because he can't afford a snickers bar with his coca-cola.
>
> *winces*
> Ouch. A valley teenager... Is there an article that goes along with that?
No, I just make up weird expressions on the fly rather than use age old
ones :-) No URL, no news, no story.
TT
Blackberry
>
>*winces*
>Ouch. A valley teenager... Is there an article that goes along with that?
Valley teenagers don't use articles; they just say "dude" instead.
Dude!
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>>Ouch. A valley teenager... Is there an article that goes along with that?
>
> Valley teenagers don't use articles; they just say "dude" instead.
>
I am reminded of two guys that I knew in higschool, for whom "tight" was
the One True Adjective, and "peep" was The One True Verb AND Noun. They
would actually say things like "Dude, did you peep those tight peeps?" and
only they had any idea what they were talking about. Sometimes I think that
even they didn't.
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Blackberry
>
>Blackberry wrote:
>
>>>Ouch. A valley teenager... Is there an article that goes along with that?
>>
>> Valley teenagers don't use articles; they just say "dude" instead.
>
>I am reminded of two guys that I knew in higschool, for whom "tight" was
>the One True Adjective, and "peep" was The One True Verb AND Noun. They
>would actually say things like "Dude, did you peep those tight peeps?" and
>only they had any idea what they were talking about. Sometimes I think that
>even they didn't.
Wow. That's smurfy. I'm really smurfed by that smurf.
The Saprophyte
"Philip M. Cohen" wrote:
>
> Pegasus316 wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, Kevin Eastman was the one who started Heavy Metal. I'm not sure he
> > really does a whole lot IN the book, he just publishes it.
>
> Heavy Metal was started by the publisher of National Lampoon in 1977.
> Eastman had nothing to do with it until he bought it in 1991. He's still
> listed as Editor-in-Chief.
Actually, it was originally started in France in or about 1975 under the
title "Metal Hurlant", with the US license being acquired afterwards as
you said.
Yes! Yes! I finally got one over on Mister Corrections, even if I did
have to look it up to make sure! In your _face_! :)
*Does the dance of joy*
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Philip M. Cohen
>
> "Philip M. Cohen" wrote:
> >
> > Pegasus316 wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, Kevin Eastman was the one who started Heavy Metal. I'm not sure he
> > > really does a whole lot IN the book, he just publishes it.
> >
> > Heavy Metal was started by the publisher of National Lampoon in 1977.
> > Eastman had nothing to do with it until he bought it in 1991. He's still
> > listed as Editor-in-Chief.
>
> Actually, it was originally started in France in or about 1975 under the
> title "Metal Hurlant", with the US license being acquired afterwards as
> you said.
>
> Yes! Yes! I finally got one over on Mister Corrections, even if I did
> have to look it up to make sure! In your _face_! :)
Naah. Les Humanoides Associes started Metal Hurlant; Mogel started Heavy
Metal. They were only joined at the hip for a few years at the start. (I
rilly rilly did know the history--I have a dozen or so issues of MH,
though long post-1975.)
Baloo Ursidae
> Wow. That's smurfy. I'm really smurfed by that smurf.
No! The answer has nothing to do with smurfs or smurfing!
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Slade
Anyone who takes this seriously, deserves to.
It would probably be best if the fandom didn't get
bent out of shape over something as silly and harmless
as this IMHO.
Slade
The Saprophyte
The latter reproducing the original former until they went their
separate ways, briefly being, in essence, the same magazine. Yes,
precisely.
Sorry TS, no technicalities for you. ;D
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"Scott Kellogg" <kellog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rq5oaukmmimlt1qt1...@4ax.com...
> Aloha!
>
> I think it would be *exceptionally* cool if people used as much energy
> to have a discussion this enthusiastic over one of the actual furry
> comic strips.
>
> Not even Sabrina Online ever evokes quite so many posts as did Penny
> Arcade.
>
> But, that's just my opinion, and it's almost certainly colored by a
> bit of sour grapes. Take it for what it's worth and a large dose of
> salt. :)
>
Well, I wuldn't say that this leg of the thread is all whining and complaining.
Somehow a genuine discussion about anthroporphic comics broke out, no
clue why, but it's nice when it happens.
-Ilr
DishRoom1
(about the TMNT)
>Well, it was much darker and grittier, in the original storyline, for
>example, Splinter was a rat who was tossed into the sewer by accident as his
>master was assasinated by the Foot clan... Very Frank Milleresque in style
>and storytelling...
>
>As for one of the directions they're planning on taking, they're planning to
>make a live action movie (or was it TV) series directed by John
>Wu(confirmed), more info can be found at
>http://www.upcomingmovies.com/teenagemutantninjaturtles.html ...
>Also, there's allegedly a full anime version out there that was produced in
>1997, but I'm unsure to how the overall quality is...
That would be interesting. I only remember the Turtles from the chummy Sat AM
cartoon and kids stuff then.
John Shughart
DishRoom1
>The comic said "Cheetah!"
>CHEETAH? Now my character is a cheetah?
>Don't make me post my comparison pic of leopard spots, cheetah spots and
>jaguar
>spots together for the unschooled to see the difference.
>I hope the creator of the comic learns the difference someday. :P
>
Pardon my ignorance, but how are the spots of jaguars and leopards different?
John Shughart
M. Mitchell Marmel
> Well, I wuldn't say that this leg of the thread is all whining and complaining.
> Somehow a genuine discussion about anthroporphic comics broke out, no
> clue why, but it's nice when it happens.
Yeah, sorta like when you go to a fight and a hockey game breaks out. :D
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>Pardon me for asking, but what is "Chaz", and how do you drench vixens
>in it?
Cromwellians, so what ilr meant to say was that he gives good head. I doubt he
was referring to the play Charley's Aunt, written by Brandon Thomas in 1892,
where a man's friend "Babs" impersonates his eccentric aunt, and says he is
from Brazil, where the nuts come from.[1]
The only Charles I can think of at the moment is Chuck Melville, though, so now
I have these awful images of slobbering Chuck Melville-drenched vixens in my
head. Or maybe ilr is going to Chuck Melville all over the elevator at a
convention, so we'd better put a stop to that.
This sort of thing could lead to dancing, y'know.
[1] http://www.xrefer.com/entry/249683
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[WRT "What is Chaz"?]
>This sort of thing could lead to dancing, y'know.
Especially if you visit the ever-evolving Chaz page at:
http://www.chaz.com/
XianJaguar
John Shughart>>
John -
Jaguar spots are larger, blotchy and often have one to three smaller spots
inside the larger ring, hence the name "rosette". Leopard spots are smaller,
and tightly packed "rings" made up of a few spots, with NO central spot (except
in some rare leopard cases, such as certain breeds like the amur. Still, the
rings are smaller than that of a jaguar)
The best thing is to look at photos of jaguars and leopards side by side and
see how the spot patterns on the sides and flanks compare. It's most obvious in
those areas.
http://AnimalPicturesArchive.com/animal/ViewImg.cgi?img=a2/Jaguar63-2-01-b
y_Denise_McQuillen.jpg
http://AnimalPicturesArchive.com/animal/ViewImg.cgi?img=a1/mm_Leopard-capt
ured_by_Mr_Marmite.jpg
Hope this helps!
XianJaguar
Silver Phoenyx Furs
news:20020410184303...@mb-mq.aol.com:
> Jaguar spots are larger, blotchy and often have one to three smaller
> spots inside the larger ring, hence the name "rosette". Leopard spots
> are smaller, and tightly packed "rings" made up of a few spots, with
> NO central spot (except in some rare leopard cases, such as certain
> breeds like the amur. Still, the rings are smaller than that of a
> jaguar)
And then you have the bizarre nomenclature used by fabric manufacturers,
who apparently believe that cheetahs have rings with a darker background
color inside them. I'd have dismissed it as a fluke, but I've seen a lot
of textiles with that configuration labeled "cheetah." Go figure.
(Actual cheetah spots are darn rare. The only fur I can get it with
*strictly* single spots, no rings at all, is an upholstery fabric, very
short fur with very heavy backing. Like I said, go figure. Of course,
*nobody* makes jaguar fur, far as I can tell...)
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>*strictly* single spots, no rings at all, is an upholstery fabric, very
>short fur with very heavy backing. Like I said, go figure. Of course,
>*nobody* makes jaguar fur, far as I can tell..
Try looking int the leather work section of a craft store, I managed to find
dyed rabbit skins with a real cheetah pattern for trim on my mocs.....I forget
the exact manufacturer but I think the company is like -the- domiant leather
craft suppler to craftstores and the like...
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> Try looking int the leather work section of a craft store, I managed
> to find dyed rabbit skins with a real cheetah pattern for trim on my
> mocs.....I forget the exact manufacturer but I think the company is
> like -the- domiant leather craft suppler to craftstores and the
> like... iBuck
The Leather Factory, winner of the Just Call It What It Is trademark
category. (I'll elide the Tandy Leather and Radio Shack connections for
now.) Yeah, they have several different patterns, that's true. But (1)
they're tiny, and (2) real fur squicks some people, and since I'm
(generally) sewing on spec, I tend to avoid it. (And when I'm sewing for
myself (rather, my family), I'm sewing stuffed toys. Rabbit has a
*wonderful* hand, but it sheds like the dickens. I already have two dogs
and two cats shedding all over my house, I do *not* need to add bunny to
the mix. Heh.) My husband wants me to line his Renfair cloak in them,
though. The hood, *maybe*, but I'm not sewing together enough bunnies for
the whole thing. As if heavy coat wool *needs* a lining in our climate
anyhow.
Apropos of nothing, they also have cowskins dyed to look like tiger and
zebra skins. I haven't seen them but in the catalogs, though; the zebra
looked good in the teeny tiny picture, at least. Making a fursuit out of
it has crossed my mind, but only briefly. Too expensive to make on spec,
certainly.
They do have bear and eagle claws (plastic, natch) which, combined with
white "grizzly" fur, have inspired me to make some polar bear (or white
werewolf) paw-gloves which I'll finish Real Soon Now. The bear claws I
have are wicked-looking two-inch crescents; the eagle claws were even
longer and more hooked. I've seen the same brand in craft stores, and the
bear claws are only about an inch long, rather like the bear just trimmed
his nails. Probably pretty good for a more conventional wolf, which I'll
probably do if the first set of gloves works out.