Don't panic over Vanity Fair!
Furplay
ever come across the article will be people in dental office waiting
rooms (and I'm sure they'll be given something else to think about when
it's THEIR turn in the chair).
Just chalk it up to another example of when a bunch of knuckleheads
don't know when they're being exploited by a "reporter" and move on.
Martin Skunk
At least, a lot of furries react at this by hiding their heads
like an
ostrich. I have suggested many, many times, that the best way to solve a
problem is by facing it, looking for its causes and trying to get
consensus to solve these problems. DO not try to minimize the problem,
let's just concentrate in finding the way to prevent this kind of
articles.
--- Martin Skunk
bevnsag
"Preventing"? How so? As long as the fandom has its fringe of clowns and
freaks, and you simply can't get rid of them, the media will seek out
those elements in the fandom tha make for good copy. The media isn't
going to waste ink on "good" furry fans, "who cares?", as far as the
media dn its audience is concerned. But get some kind of
sensationalistic freaks on, or at least get something that can be made
freakish, and you've got this month's geek/freak/shock content. About
the only thing that the fandom can do to "improve" its media image is to
avoid the media like the plague. The media simply doesn't care about the
fandom, except for what it can get in ratings (or equivalent), and that
means only negative coverage.
Ostrich
>
> At least, a lot of furries react at this by hiding their heads
> like an
> ostrich. I have suggested many, many times, that the best way to solve a
> problem is by facing it, looking for its causes and trying to get
> consensus to solve these problems. DO not try to minimize the problem,
> let's just concentrate in finding the way to prevent this kind of
> articles.
>
under the circumstances. So far as a 'problem' - well, there really
isn't one. Certain people will spend a few weeks running around
screaming that the sky is falling; a few people will discover us
who otherwise wouldn't have; and a few people will feel that I've
betrayed some essential trust by not taking this whole thing as
seriously as they do. In the end there'll be no perceptible effect.
Things will go on exactly as before, except that I'll have a neat
souvenir.
--
-Ostrich! <") http://www.furnation.com/ostrich
"Feasting on the dry catfood of anthropomorphics since 1994."
RRyan59368
hype over this article. I hope the rest of the furries reading this post just
shrug it off
and go on. particulary when the puplics attention span is wrather short these
days.
M. Mitchell Marmel
>
> It's out for just one week,
Month.
-MMM-
Lupus MacCleod
> under the circumstances. So far as a 'problem' - well, there really
> isn't one. Certain people will spend a few weeks running around
> screaming that the sky is falling; a few people will discover us
> who otherwise wouldn't have; and a few people will feel that I've
> betrayed some essential trust by not taking this whole thing as
> seriously as they do. In the end there'll be no perceptible effect.
> Things will go on exactly as before, except that I'll have a neat
> souvenir.
Bingo. Tell me, what were the lasting effects of the Loaded, Eurotrash, and
Wired articles? Furry cons continue to grow. New cons seem to be starting up
yearly, and money keeps going towards charities.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 'average' American does not exactly read
Vanity Fair. Now if an article about furry was published in say, People,
THEN that is cause to go nuts and do the chicken sans head routine.
The flamewars will outlast the interest from the outside world. And if the
article stresses some of you too much, repeat after me.
Furry is JUST a hobby. I can leave anytime I want.
Besides, a little mass exodus never hurt anyone.
Lupus
Alan Kennedy
> It's out for just one week, and after that, the only people who will
> ever come across the article will be people in dental office waiting
> rooms (and I'm sure they'll be given something else to think about when
> it's THEIR turn in the chair).
Thanks, thats all I need to think about. Fat, crossdressing, fursuit
drooling lards while I go to get a root canal! After reading an article
about furry, regardless, if I was a mundane I'd proably be more scared of
the furry stuff and want the anesthetic rather then remember what I read.
Sorry, furry can squick the utter fuck out of me sometimes and I got a
strong stomach.
> Just chalk it up to another example of when a bunch of knuckleheads
> don't know when they're being exploited by a "reporter" and move on.
Hahahaah.. Explotation! I swear, as gullible as some furs are I wanna go
up to them and offer them prime real-estate on the moon.
(yes, for future notice tonight i'm in my fuck the world, I got a headache
so everyone's gonna suffer mood!! :P~)
--
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fear...;)
"Lupus MacCleod" <lupusm...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aFlg6.107919$8V6.15...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
ilr
M. Mitchell Marmel <marm...@drexel.edu> wrote in message news:3A81C641...@drexel.edu...
Big whoop. I honestly think the only way this is going to effect even
a few of our lives is by bringing in a few more yuppie broads that
wanna be naughty over the internet. ;|
-Ilr
Alan Kennedy
$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> Wow, all this over an article that hasn't even come out and nobody even
> noticed the little blurb about furry in Maxim last month.
Heh..
Goes to prove the point that most furries will get worked up over nothing.
Oi.. one more reason why I just shake my head and not feel a bit guilty
at times for badmouthign some furs.
Yeesh.
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
writes:
> The 'hiding like an ostrich' analogy was perhaps poorly chosen, under
> the circumstances. So far as a 'problem' - well, there really isn't
> one. Certain people will spend a few weeks running around screaming
> that the sky is falling; a few people will discover us who
> otherwise wouldn't have; and a few people will feel that I've
> betrayed some essential trust by not taking this whole thing as
> seriously as they do. In the end there'll be no perceptible
> effect. Things will go on exactly as before, except that I'll have a
> neat souvenir.
And earlier I wrote:
"That same attitude of exposure applies to these articles, and they KEEP
insisting that we shouldn't worry about half a million people reading
something declaring what sick perverts Furries are. They'll insist that it
doesn't matter, and maybe a few Furries will come to the fandom because of
it."
Am I a Prophet or what?
The article has been scanned and posted, and I'll reserve my comments. Except
this. Ostrich isn't the real criminal in this article. Fox Wolfie Galen is.
--
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rune....@worldnet.att.net
That's sort of like suggesting that people's problem with NAMBLA could
be solved by reaching a consensus. The only thing that would work is
NAMBLA going away.
This is RL we're talking about, not a Star Trek story. Some problems
don't come out nice after 57 minutes (with commercials).
Consensus only works when both parties admit there is a problem and the
people causing the problem realize they have to change. So far the
people who keep embarrassing this fandom insist there is no problem.
Sort of like alcoholics in denial.
Dark Ren
Ostrich <ost...@fysh.org> wrote:
> The 'hiding like an ostrich' analogy was perhaps poorly chosen,
> under the circumstances. So far as a 'problem' - well, there really
> isn't one. Certain people will spend a few weeks running around
> screaming that the sky is falling; a few people will discover us
> who otherwise wouldn't have; and a few people will feel that I've
> betrayed some essential trust by not taking this whole thing as
> seriously as they do. In the end there'll be no perceptible effect.
> Things will go on exactly as before, except that I'll have a neat
> souvenir.
Perhaps. But that assumes that no one on this Earth has a memory.
Perhaps there is no perceptible effect now, but as time goes and more
of these manner of articles crop up(and you can bet your bottom dollar
they will), people start to remember. Stereotypes build and flourish.
They mutate and take on new forms.
You may not be able to see past the end of your nose, but I can. You
have to look at the big picture, not just the moment. Things like this
have a cumulative effect and personally I'm not pleased by it. It's not
like I expect you to care. But on the off chance you might, I've said
it.
--
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As they sail into the setting sun they'll count the cost
As their skeletons accusing emerge from the sea
The sirens of the rocks they beckon me
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Teresa Warner
> "Preventing"? How so? As long as the fandom has its fringe of clowns and
> freaks, and you simply can't get rid of them, the media will seek out
> those elements in the fandom tha make for good copy.
Good point. Even though the article was focused mainly on MFF, they went out
of their way to go to FoxWolfieFreakshow's house and took a lot of photos and
memories with them.
Even if the cons were made to be completely mundane (ha!), even if most people
knew to say "No comment", the press will find a way to find something
'newsworthy' to report.
-CC (tw)
Banner
Lets see, you had an interview with a magazine and went into your sexual
preferences, practices, etc, and you pretty much said that everyone
else in the fandom was the same. You also came off like a moron, a
freak and a nutcase. And again implied the same of everyone else.
I can forgive the second part, because 1) he was out to do an
axe job and 2) becuase you talked about sex for a magazine
article, you obviously are.
As for your thinking that people would find this article 'OK'
again I point to the characterization of you (which I suspect
now is acurate). How could you possibly have thought that
people would find this article okay? Are you that F*cking
stupid? You tell the national media that you used to have sex
with stuffed animals and you think people are going to find that
okay? And you associate that kink with the entire fandom when
only a small percentage do it, and you think people will find
that acceptable?
G-d are you stupid!
Oh, BTW, I hope your employer never reads this, because
if he does, I bet he fires you.
Banner
Richard Chandler - WA Resident wrote:
> And earlier I wrote:
> "That same attitude of exposure applies to these articles, and they KEEP
> insisting that we shouldn't worry about half a million people reading
> something declaring what sick perverts Furries are. They'll insist that it
> doesn't matter, and maybe a few Furries will come to the fandom because of
> it."
>
> Am I a Prophet or what?
>
> The article has been scanned and posted, and I'll reserve my comments. Except
> this. Ostrich isn't the real criminal in this article. Fox Wolfie Galenn is.
Fox Galen is obviously suffering from extreme mental problems, it
would be hard to blame him. However, whomever was the SOB that
told VF about him, they should be punished.
-Banner
Kory Anders
wrote:
He could have gotten the idea on the newsgroups. There are some people
who post who are so determined to insult and deride others, they will
make accusations about the 'deviant' behavior of others which only
serve to make the casual viewer link the 'deviancy' to the fandom.
This type of behavior was pointed out by an outside observer and
posted on the Brunching Shuttlecocks web page.
rune....@worldnet.att.net
Are you really that out of touch with reality? Read it again. It makes a
case that the people in the fandom are losers that have to behave like
they were in prison to get any sex. If anybody comes looking it will be
more press and the people who like to beat up wimps.
If we're lucky.
rune....@worldnet.att.net
>
> <fer...@enteract.com> wrote in message news:95t38m$7q6
> $1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > Wow, all this over an article that hasn't even come out and nobody even
> > noticed the little blurb about furry in Maxim last month.
>
> Heh..
>
> Goes to prove the point that most furries will get worked up over nothing.
>
> Oi.. one more reason why I just shake my head and not feel a bit guilty
> at times for badmouthign some furs.
>
> Yeesh.
>
> --
What the hell is Maxim and who the hell reads it?
Obscure publication don't count for shit and "mentions" in them count
for even less.
A cover feature on a newsstand/supermarket mag - that counts.
Denial/River
Chuck Melville
Felyne32k wrote:
> In article <3A84081F...@worldnet.att.net>,
> rune....@worldnet.att.net says...
> > > --
> >
> > What the hell is Maxim and who the hell reads it?
> >
> > Obscure publication don't count for shit and "mentions" in them count
> > for even less.
> >
> > A cover feature on a newsstand/supermarket mag - that counts.
> MAXIM is one of those "Men's magazines" that tends to feature things that
> those with testosterone imbalances gravitate towards, such as sex, Big
> Macho Stuff, women, beer, Neat-O But Not Quite So Macho Stuff, etc etc
> etc.
> Considering the fact that it is carried by almost every reasonably-sized
> bookstore that I can remember visiting anytime recently (Ranging from
> little tiny locally-owned bookstores to Waldenbooks to B.Dalton/B&N)... I
> would hardly say that it is an 'obscure publication'.
> --
And it is -also- sold in supermarkets. I've seen it carried in the
local Safeways around here.
--
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Bart: Wow, a former president living right across the street.
Homer: Oh, why did he have to move in on _my_ territory? Look at him.
Thinks just because he led the free world, he can act like a big shot!
Stupid President... why couldn't he just stay in his own state?
Lisa: Actually, this _is_ one of the nine states where Mr. Bush claims
residency, Dad. I wouldn't have voted for him, but it's nice to have a
celebrity in the neighborhood.
Homer: Wait a minute... if _Lisa_ didn't vote for him... and _I_ didn't
vote for him --
Marge: You didn't vote for anybody.
Homer: I voted for Prell to go back to the old glass bottle. After that, I
became deeply cynical.
-- A rare glimpse of Homer, member of the electorate, "Two Bad Neighbors"
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
kori...@hotmail.com> writes:
> He could have gotten the idea on the newsgroups. There are some people
> who post who are so determined to insult and deride others, they will
> make accusations about the 'deviant' behavior of others which only
> serve to make the casual viewer link the 'deviancy' to the fandom.
> This type of behavior was pointed out by an outside observer and posted
> on the Brunching Shuttlecocks web page.
This is an interesting twist on the old "Blame the Victim". I have to
confess, I never though anyone would have the gall to come up with "Blame the
Witness" in order to excuse criminal stupidity. Why don't you take a crack at
blaming the actual deviants? After all, if it weren't for them, there would
be no witnesses saying "Get away from the fandom, you goddamned deviant!"
rune....@worldnet.att.net
>
> Felyne32k wrote:
>
> > In article <3A84081F...@worldnet.att.net>,
> > rune....@worldnet.att.net says...
> > > > --
> > >
> > > What the hell is Maxim and who the hell reads it?
> > >
> > > Obscure publication don't count for shit and "mentions" in them count
> > > for even less.
> > >
> > > A cover feature on a newsstand/supermarket mag - that counts.
> > MAXIM is one of those "Men's magazines" that tends to feature things that
> > those with testosterone imbalances gravitate towards, such as sex, Big
> > Macho Stuff, women, beer, Neat-O But Not Quite So Macho Stuff, etc etc
> > etc.
> > Considering the fact that it is carried by almost every reasonably-sized
> > bookstore that I can remember visiting anytime recently (Ranging from
> > little tiny locally-owned bookstores to Waldenbooks to B.Dalton/B&N)... I
> > would hardly say that it is an 'obscure publication'.
> > --
>
> And it is -also- sold in supermarkets. I've seen it carried in the
> local Safeways around here.
Shrug
Never seen it, never heard of it, never heard it referred to before and
i get my mags from places that even carry things like Trappers Times.
Obviously there is a difference between the coasts.
Kory Anders
Chandler - WA Resident) wrote:
>In article <gdu68tsffdepbqpp8...@4ax.com>, Kory Anders <
>kori...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> He could have gotten the idea on the newsgroups. There are some people
>> who post who are so determined to insult and deride others, they will
>> make accusations about the 'deviant' behavior of others which only
>> serve to make the casual viewer link the 'deviancy' to the fandom.
>> This type of behavior was pointed out by an outside observer and posted
>> on the Brunching Shuttlecocks web page.
>
>This is an interesting twist on the old "Blame the Victim". I have to
>confess, I never though anyone would have the gall to come up with "Blame the
>Witness" in order to excuse criminal stupidity. Why don't you take a crack at
>blaming the actual deviants? After all, if it weren't for them, there would
>be no witnesses saying "Get away from the fandom, you goddamned deviant!"
Except people in the Fandom have been looking for 'deviants' to
crucify to make up for their own failures, which means people outside
see there are 'deviants' and seek them out to display. You helped set
up what lead to this, Mr. Chandler. Take some responsibility for what
you have helped foster. Instead of playing victim, do something
positive. That's how you counteract bad press. Except I don't think
you want to. I think you want bad press so you can make 'Holier Than
Thou' pronouncements and do more blaming. Well, you can shout into the
ether, some of us are no longer listening.
*PLONK*
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> writes:
> Oddly, the get away cries are only coming from within the fandom
> itself. Anybody else notice this?
Um, perhaps because the Trekkies and the Anime fans don't want anything to do
with Furries anyway, and thus have no interest in driving the freaks in Furry
Fandom underground? Furry fans are the only ones who care about furry fandom,
since obviously the freaks only care about themselves, and merely exploit the
fandom as an opportunity to get their rocks off.
Cybskunk
>knew to say "No comment", the press will find a way to find something
>'newsworthy' to report.
Even if they have to make it up. WE'RE THE MEDIA! THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO
KNOW!
Cybskunk
>Wired articles? Furry cons continue to grow. New cons seem to be starting up
>yearly, and money keeps going towards charities.
Depends on what sort of growth it is. Cancer tumors also "continue to grow",
but that's not good news for the host body.
VF has a lot larger circulation in North America than any of the others. One
possible fallout is that the VF expose might scare off those who would
otherwise enter the fandom and dilute the proportion/visibility of the crazies.
It could also attract "Spandex Commandoes" (i.e. kink types with no interest
in anthropomorphics who are just joining for the kinky sex), making the
situation worse. Does anybody remember CF8, when (according to furban legend)
someone "advertised the con in a gay newspaper" and the con was overrun by
Spandex Commandoes cruising for a pickup?
Now ya know why I joined the Burned Furs,
Ken
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
>>Bingo. Tell me, what were the lasting effects of the Loaded, Eurotrash, and
>>Wired articles? Furry cons continue to grow. New cons seem to be starting up
>>yearly, and money keeps going towards charities.
>
>Depends on what sort of growth it is. Cancer tumors also "continue to grow",
>but that's not good news for the host body.
Its good news if your the cancer.
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