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ilr

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Jun 19, 2001, 3:13:39 AM6/19/01
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>I'd understand if this falls on deaf ears, but I'd like to say that
>many in the "dreaded" furry-fandom are more open minded than
>the notorious "Furplay".

Oh no! This won't fall on deaf ears at all. It may take me a while to
respond with my hectic work schedule and trying to do this web-site
stuff at the same time. I really appreciate your letter and you concerns.
You're more than welcome to post this up on the newsgroups since
I'm really computer illiterate and wouldn't know how to post anything
there. It's been plenty difficult trying to learn enough of Flash to
do the work that's already appeared on the site.

About the site: well, the site is intended for us all to have a good
chuckle, and not intended to make fun of anyone. I've specifically made
sure that no one was directly caricatured. The Minerva Squirrel page
was a joke in itself, as I pretty much just drew Minerva Mink from model
but re-colored her to be a different character. The guy that looks like
Mitch Beiro is actually based on Tony Fucile. Tony was the animator who
worked on Mufasa in the Lion King. In fact, all of the characters you'll see
in the pages already there, and ones to come are either just made-up fans,
or are drawings based on friends of mine: Disney animators, producers
and so on.

The reason why the site is so mysterious is because a friend of mine was
given an advance copy of my new comic that is coming out, and he
mentioned it on a site called Animation Nation, and posted the web site
address. When he made that little statement I just about dropped my drawers,
because I wasn't intending to work on the site until a little closer to the
date of the San Diego Comic Con. So in one week I had to teach myself
Flash Animation and Adobe GoLive, and animate something to be there
when people went to it. I admit the site appears crude at the moment
and without much explanation for it being there. The programs keep
fighting me all the way, which is why there's no e-mail button for feedback
on the site yet and no pre-loaders or other little finishing touches.

This is not a malicious attack from an outsider, as some people have
suggested. Far from it. I've been around Furry Fandom since the early 80's
and have been working at Disney as an animator for about 22 years now.
I enjoy drawing sassy animal characters and even build and wear my
costumes at the conventions. You probably last saw me at Further
Confusion as Secret Squirrel, standing in the corner like a dope. I have
built a big, sexy girl rabbit doll that the entire animation industry
jokingly refers to as my "wife" So what better person to do a satirical
look at ourselves than one of our own who's been a furry far since most
of today's fans were in kindergarden (egad! I'm getting old!)

Upcoming pages will have cartoon animal characters both male and
female, and lots of silly fans. I want to try get across the feel of
the bawdy humor of the old Benny Hill show and make an amusing
contrast between these beautiful animal characters and goofy,
disgusting fans (and yes, I think we all understand that not all
fans are like this!)

The next page I'm working on, (I dont know when it'll get done
because I'm locked in mortal combat with Flash and Adobe
GoLive) is a section with a new, re-designed Cheshire Cat.
I hope it'll be funny and entertaining with a dab of humpiness
to it.:)

If you like the web pages, then you'll love the comic. It's in a very
similar vein, but done up like a copy of Mad Magazine. The few
people that have seen it thought it was really funny and that
you'd all like it.

Folks who still think my only purpose is to poke fun should be
pleasantly surprised by my follow-up comic. It's something I think
furries will really enjoy. It's a science-fiction story about a
cartoon horse. You can see the previews of it at the San Diego
Comic-Con as well as pick up a copy of the Furries comic. This
new book will be an on-going story and it's what I've really been
spending most of my effort on lately.

Well, I hope this dispells any rumors about what the site is all
about -- and, if there's anyone out there who knows Flash and
Adobe GoLive, please drop me a line! You can also easily reach
me on FurryMuck (yes, I have a character there too, he's the
Cheshire Cat who, like me, enjoys playful teasing, but is not
downright evil.) Thanks for the e-mail, and if there's a page you'd
like to see animated, including me as a weasel with mange as
Furplay has suggested, please let me know :)

Sincerely,

Shawn Keller
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I haven't even read it all yet, I got it 10 seconds ago and am posting it on the fly.
-Ilr


ilr

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Jun 19, 2001, 3:45:29 AM6/19/01
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Shawn Keller <fan...@furryfans.com>

HF :)


Tlalocelotl Tlatoani

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Jun 19, 2001, 3:28:50 AM6/19/01
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This is funny stuff! I'm looking forward to seeing what's available at
the con!

TT

Brian O'connell

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Jun 19, 2001, 3:54:25 AM6/19/01
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Shawn Keller... I've heard that name before... Isn't he the other
Disney/Bluth style cartoonist other than Dave Kuhn?

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Jace

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Jun 19, 2001, 10:57:32 PM6/19/01
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Sounds pretty reasonable to me.... Weren't we expecting raving
criticism and cruelty?

Oh, I was under the impression we were....

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:13:39 -0600, "ilr" <i...@rof.net> wrote:

> ======================<BEGIN>===========================
> >I'd understand if this falls on deaf ears, but I'd like to say that
> >many in the "dreaded" furry-fandom are more open minded than
> >the notorious "Furplay".
>
> Oh no! This won't fall on deaf ears at all. It may take me a while to
> respond with my hectic work schedule and trying to do this web-site
> stuff at the same time. I really appreciate your letter and you concerns.
> You're more than welcome to post this up on the newsgroups since
> I'm really computer illiterate and wouldn't know how to post anything
> there. It's been plenty difficult trying to learn enough of Flash to
> do the work that's already appeared on the site.

<snip>
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Sarenthalanos

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Jun 19, 2001, 5:48:14 AM6/19/01
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ilr <i...@rof.net> wrote in message news:9gms1t$am4$1...@raccoon.fur.com..

(snip)

Not bad all in itself, and I appreciate the satire in it.

However, some of the more vocal aspects of the fandom (at least online) have
had the humor quotient that of a brick[1].

-Sar

[1] A brick they would gladly imply that they would like to beat over the
heads of others for the sadistic entertainment they derive from it.


Atara

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Jun 19, 2001, 10:47:34 AM6/19/01
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redk...@sprintmail.com (Tlalocelotl Tlatoani) wrote in
<3B2F015C...@sprintmail.com>:

>
>This is funny stuff! I'm looking forward to seeing what's
>available at the con!

*nods* I just hope it'll also be made available for people who can't make it to
the con...


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Dean L. Norton

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Jun 19, 2001, 11:49:04 AM6/19/01
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Greetings Shawn!

Now that I got to see the whole toon...that's some pretty funny stuff there!
I wish I knew half the amount of Flash you do!!

Good luck in future endevours!!

-Dean L. Norton (Googleized for your protection)
http://www.deanleenorton.com
-Beats a punch to the head!

Doodles

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Jun 19, 2001, 12:57:32 PM6/19/01
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"Brian O'connell" <1lla...@tsewq.ten> wrote in message
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> Shawn Keller... I've heard that name before... Isn't he the other
> Disney/Bluth style cartoonist other than Dave Kuhn?

That's him.

And if you want to see some of his most recent work, go catch Atlantis. He
did lead character animation on Preston B. Whitmore and Cookie.


Timmy Ramone

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Jun 19, 2001, 1:10:49 PM6/19/01
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I'm impressed by someone who claims to be "computer illiterate"
and still manages to learn Macromedia Flash and Adobe GoLive in
just one week. I wish I was that "illiterate!"

I'm also impressed by Shawn's talent for character design,
expression and movement. He's truly one of the Secret Masters of
Furry Fandom; in addition to his cartooning skills, he was building
and wearing fursuits at least a decade before the fad caught on
among the furry crowd. He's also done a lot of behind-the-scenes
work at ConFurence, so to say he hates furry fans is simply wrong.

Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to more brutally funny
cartoons on furryfans.com. I hope Shawn will let us know when
his comic is published -- I want to get my copy as soon as it
hits the stands.

-Tim
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Alan Kennedy

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Jun 19, 2001, 3:03:45 PM6/19/01
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Doodles <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote in message

> That's him.
>
> And if you want to see some of his most recent work, go catch Atlantis.
He
> did lead character animation on Preston B. Whitmore and Cookie.

With that in mind, I don't know if I should point furryfans.com out to my
friends and say, "Look! He did atlantis as well." or just cringe further
into a hole.


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Ben_Raccoon

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"Baloo Ursidae" <ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> wrote
> Kimba the White Lion:Lion King::Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water:Atlantis
>
> Disney has this odd habit of ripping off Anime.

No offense Baloo, but I think this has been well established now...


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Hangdog

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Jun 19, 2001, 7:12:47 PM6/19/01
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Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
bastard like me. Instead he turns out to be a pleasant and good-natured fellow.
Yuck!

Still, the stuff is damned funny. I'm looking forward to buying the comic when it
comes out!

--Hangdog

Richard Lowman

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Jun 20, 2001, 4:32:34 AM6/20/01
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Brian O'connell <1lla...@tsewq.ten> wrote in message
<9gn0fs$aup$1...@raccoon.fur.com>...

>Shawn Keller... I've heard that name before... Isn't he the other Disney/Bluth
style cartoonist other than Dave Kuhn?

Yes, he is....the first Disney feature that I saw his name on the credits was
'The Great Mouse Detective', and I can reall meeting the fellow a few years
before that when he was still at 'CalArts'...

As to Dave Kuhn, I can remember way back at 'ConFURance #3' or so when he was
just getting introduced to the fandom as well as fursuiting, and wanting to get
a job at 'Disney Feature Animation', and first headed to Warner Bros. TV
Animation for 'Animainacs', ect, ....then while watching 'Pocahontas' his name
showed up under one of the animators for 'Meeko'. (He likes racoons-or did back
then.... :-) )

At any rate: I look forward to seeing your comic when it comes out! The last
major thing independent-wise comic that I bought that had my attention or
interest was 'Dan Flahive's Space Wolf' many moons back....

And you say *you* feel old Shawn?! ;-)

"Robert (Just another old) Fox"


Gabriel Gentile

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Jun 20, 2001, 8:31:38 AM6/20/01
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> then while watching 'Pocahontas' his name
> showed up under one of the animators for 'Meeko'. (He likes racoons-or did
> back
> then.... :-) )

So he was one of the people who helped create Meeko?

No WONDER he left!
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Dr. Cat

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Jun 19, 2001, 4:29:24 PM6/19/01
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: Thanks for the e-mail, and if there's a page you'd
: like to see animated, including me as a weasel with mange as
: Furplay has suggested, please let me know :)

How about Furplay as a weasel with mange?

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Dr. Cat

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Jun 19, 2001, 4:33:05 PM6/19/01
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Alan Kennedy <tri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: With that in mind, I don't know if I should point furryfans.com out to my

: friends and say, "Look! He did atlantis as well." or just cringe further
: into a hole.

Are you actually bothered even the tiniest amount by people making fun of
furry fandom? Or do you just pretend to be 'cause you like the reactions
you get and the opportunity to argue with people, be insulted by them, and
insult them back?

Just checking.

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(Disclaimer: Of course any answer given is likely to be useless, as the
truth or falsehood of the answer could fit with his past pattern of lying
about himself just as readily as the actual behavior I'm asking about.)

(Disclaimer disclaimer: But if he takes this post as insulting or
argumentative, at least maybe he'll get a cheap thrill out of it.)

Doodles

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Jun 20, 2001, 12:34:46 PM6/20/01
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"Richard Lowman" <rvol...@exo.com> wrote in message
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> As to Dave Kuhn, I can remember way back at 'ConFURance #3' or so when he
was
> just getting introduced to the fandom as well as fursuiting, and wanting
to get
> a job at 'Disney Feature Animation', and first headed to Warner Bros. TV
> Animation for 'Animainacs', ect, ....then while watching 'Pocahontas' his
name
> showed up under one of the animators for 'Meeko'. (He likes racoons-or did
back
> then.... :-) )

I remember at a CF where Kuhn's truck was parked in the hotel's lot and as I
walked past, there's a typical Kuhn skunk declaring to the world "I'VE BEEN
DRINKING THE CLOROX AGAIN, DEAR!"

Took five minutes to make it past that point, I was laughing so hard...


Kory Anders

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Jun 20, 2001, 2:41:17 PM6/20/01
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:51:21 -0700, Baloo Ursidae
<ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> wrote:

>Doodles <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> And if you want to see some of his most recent work, go catch Atlantis. He
>> did lead character animation on Preston B. Whitmore and Cookie.
>

>Kimba the White Lion:Lion King::Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water:Atlantis
>
>Disney has this odd habit of ripping off Anime.
>

>http://www.newgrounds.com/frames.php?location=/lit/atlantis.html

Go see Atlantis. Even the most vocal people about it being a rip off
of Nadia have admitted it isn't.

Gabriel Gentile

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Jun 20, 2001, 4:09:16 PM6/20/01
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> Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> bastard like me.

Eeeeeevil?

You... are NOT evil, Dogg.

You're semi-evil.

You're quasi-evil.

You're the margarine of evil.

You're the Diet Coke of evil, one calorie, not even enough.
--
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"Evil" spelled backwards is "live", and we all want to do that, don't we?

ilr

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Jun 20, 2001, 6:49:16 PM6/20/01
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"Gabriel Gentile" <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> > bastard like me.
>
> Eeeeeevil?
>
> You... are NOT evil, Dogg.
>
> You're semi-evil.
>
> You're quasi-evil.
>
> You're the margarine of evil.
>
> You're the Diet Coke of evil, one calorie, not even enough.

You forgot "wannabe-evil"


ilr

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Jun 20, 2001, 6:53:09 PM6/20/01
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"Dennis Lee Bieber" <wulf...@dm.net> wrote in message news:3fg1jtsd5lqu23fjj...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:31:38 GMT, Gabriel Gentile
> <spook...@earthlink.net> (Gabriel Gentile) left the following spoor in
> alt.fan.furry:

>
> >
> > So he was one of the people who helped create Meeko?
> >
> Meeko was the only redeeming feature of Pocahontas!
>
Hence becoming the #1 Poke-N-soak character in the plush-realm.
...Or atleast I THINK that's what Gabe was jibing at.

I doubt Keller would even raise an Eyebrow though.
-Ilr


Kyle L. Webb

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Jun 20, 2001, 7:30:48 PM6/20/01
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Gabriel Gentile wrote:
>
> > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> > bastard like me.
>
> Eeeeeevil?
>
> You... are NOT evil, Dogg.

Yeah. I've known evil. Hangdog fails to qualify.
He's not even up to Pikachu status for evil. ;)

Kyle L. Webb
Hartree Fox on yiffnet
(Hangdog-achu?)

Alan Kennedy

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Jun 20, 2001, 11:32:01 PM6/20/01
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Dr. Cat

> Are you actually bothered even the tiniest amount by people making fun of
> furry fandom? Or do you just pretend to be 'cause you like the reactions
> you get and the opportunity to argue with people, be insulted by them, and
> insult them back?
>
> Just checking.

Yes, I actually am.

Though, what am I gonna do? Arguing doin't help, I just get shoved into the
same corner as the burned furs. I'f I'm too leeniant with things, I get
tossed over into the corner the 'stick ma fingers in ma ears' of people.

I tried reason, flames, and nothing happened. Oh well. Each day fury just
boils itself in its own loard and persperation, so, thats the reason I can
care.

Sure, sure, I'll still be a furry, always will, just not 'publicly' for the
fandom, as the fandom as a whole can just waste away, as its never gonna
change.

>
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> (Disclaimer: Of course any answer given is likely to be useless, as the
truth or falsehood of the answer could fit with his past pattern of lying
about himself just as readily as the actual behavior I'm asking about.)
>
> (Disclaimer disclaimer: But if he takes this post as insulting or
argumentative, at least maybe he'll get a cheap thrill out of it.)

Woohoo.. cheap thrills!

Kinda like when you stick a Q-tip in your ear and swirl it around for a few
moments type of thrill, or the same type when you sniff a permanent marker
type? ;)

Alan Kennedy

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Jun 20, 2001, 11:32:54 PM6/20/01
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Dennis Lee Bieber <wulf...@dm.net> wrote in message


> Though how she supported what looked to be a 30lb adult 'coon on
> her shoulder is another wonder...

Its disney, the laws of physics and reality don't apply to them.

Hangdog

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Jun 21, 2001, 1:11:53 AM6/21/01
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"Kyle L. Webb" wrote:

> Gabriel Gentile wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> > > bastard like me.
> >
> > Eeeeeevil?
> >
> > You... are NOT evil, Dogg.
>
> Yeah. I've known evil. Hangdog fails to qualify.
> He's not even up to Pikachu status for evil. ;)

By Real World standards, you're right. I'm referring to the standards of furrydumb
(oxymoron tho' that be...)

Jace

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Jun 21, 2001, 6:42:45 PM6/21/01
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Whoa, whoa, Pikachu is _very_ evil... look how he brainwashed the
children of the whole world?

Then again, that's a small load.....

If you want a more appropriate level of 'evil', try Darth Vader or the
Undertaker or Saddam... or George Dubbya Bush.

Jace

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Jun 21, 2001, 6:43:22 PM6/21/01
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:11:53 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
wrote:

And you're still here... why?

Skunkie

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Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message news:<E7AEEBF13AD8F20F.70E6FEB8...@lp.airnews.net>...

> Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> bastard like me. Instead he turns out to be a pleasant and good-natured fellow.
> Yuck!

That is the exact response that happens when you see qualities in
other people that you secretly recognize in yourself.

Hangdog=Nice??....YUCK!!

-Skunkie

Kory Anders

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Jun 21, 2001, 1:41:12 PM6/21/01
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:43:22 -0500, Jace <ja...@softhome.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:11:53 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
>wrote:
>
>> "Kyle L. Webb" wrote:
>>
>> > Gabriel Gentile wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
>> > > > bastard like me.
>> > >
>> > > Eeeeeevil?
>> > >
>> > > You... are NOT evil, Dogg.
>> >
>> > Yeah. I've known evil. Hangdog fails to qualify.
>> > He's not even up to Pikachu status for evil. ;)
>>
>> By Real World standards, you're right. I'm referring to the standards of furrydumb
>> (oxymoron tho' that be...)
>
>And you're still here... why?

He's got to do something in between bouts of coming out of his
parents' basement, harrassing people on the street about finding a job
before Friday, and going back into said basement when people in the
Real World ignore him.

Gabriel Gentile

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Jun 21, 2001, 4:25:07 PM6/21/01
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in article 9grpt7$nov$1...@raccoon.fur.com, Alan Kennedy at tri...@hotmail.com
wrote on 6/20/01 9:32 PM:

> Dennis Lee Bieber <wulf...@dm.net> wrote in message
>
>
>> Though how she supported what looked to be a 30lb adult 'coon on
>> her shoulder is another wonder...
>
> Its disney, the laws of physics and reality don't apply to them.

Nor do the laws of plagiarism, apparently.
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AJL

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Jun 21, 2001, 5:43:07 PM6/21/01
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Doodles wrote:
> I remember at a CF where Kuhn's truck was parked in the hotel's lot and as I
> walked past, there's a typical Kuhn skunk declaring to the world "I'VE BEEN
> DRINKING THE CLOROX AGAIN, DEAR!"

The way I heard it was that Dave Kuhn drew a skunk with his finger on
the dirty window of a camper shell of a friend's truck, and that person
later painted it in. At the con, everyone thought it was Dave's truck.

Jace

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Jun 22, 2001, 11:24:13 AM6/22/01
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:41:12 -0400, Kory Anders <kori...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Ohhhh, right, of course...

So he's never heard of Solitaire? I woulda thought that was more
suitable.

Matthew W. Miller

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Jun 21, 2001, 6:38:22 PM6/21/01
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:51:21 -0700, Baloo Ursidae
<ba...@ursine.dyndns.org> wrote:
>Doodles <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote:
>> And if you want to see some of his most recent work, go catch Atlantis.
>> He did lead character animation on Preston B. Whitmore and Cookie.
>Kimba the White Lion:Lion King::Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water:Atlantis
>Disney has this odd habit of ripping off Anime.

Baloo has this odd habit of not thinking for himself.
C'mon. Not only is this bandwagon tiresome, it's not even
*original*. It's the ghost of bandwagon past.
--
Matthew W. Miller -- mwmi...@columbus.rr.com

Alan Kennedy

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Jun 21, 2001, 9:35:07 PM6/21/01
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Gabriel Gentile <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> Nor do the laws of plagiarism, apparently.
> --
> Gabriel Gentile

Well, they arre not BLATENTLY ripping off, thats the key there. If they
used EXACT charachteratures and plots, perhaps. They are mearly browwing
ideals.

Still, this is the same company who's roots are in paganism, and supposedly
own's land on the moon.

BTW, I found a VERY intersting picture the other day, about the faked lunar
landing, etc, once again. This one is GOOD. I'll upload it to FN later,
now that I think about it.

Hangdog

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Jun 21, 2001, 11:34:07 PM6/21/01
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Jace wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:11:53 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "Kyle L. Webb" wrote:
> >
> > > Gabriel Gentile wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> > > > > bastard like me.
> > > >
> > > > Eeeeeevil?
> > > >
> > > > You... are NOT evil, Dogg.
> > >
> > > Yeah. I've known evil. Hangdog fails to qualify.
> > > He's not even up to Pikachu status for evil. ;)
> >
> > By Real World standards, you're right. I'm referring to the standards of furrydumb
> > (oxymoron tho' that be...)
>
> And you're still here... why?

Because plaguing your existence has become a hobby of mine. It's easy, fun, and
educational :o)

--HD

Hangdog

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Jun 21, 2001, 11:36:36 PM6/21/01
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Skunkie wrote:

Thank you, Skunie: if you had a good opinion of me, I'd wonder what I'd done wrong...:o)

--Hangdog

Jace

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Jun 22, 2001, 5:46:13 PM6/22/01
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:34:07 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
wrote:

Small things, small minds, I suppose....

Ben_Raccoon

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Jun 22, 2001, 2:35:03 AM6/22/01
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"Jace" <ja...@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:q4f7jtc52sg74pbd6...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:34:07 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>

> > Because plaguing your existence has become a hobby of mine. It's easy,


fun, and
> > educational :o)
> >
> > --HD
>
> Small things, small minds, I suppose....

Ain't that the truth.

Hey there Hangdoggy, still throwing fits about that which you can't affect?


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Charles Melville

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Jun 22, 2001, 10:29:02 PM6/22/01
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Baloo Ursidae wrote:

> Doodles <dood...@cheesies.pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > And if you want to see some of his most recent work, go catch Atlantis. He
> > did lead character animation on Preston B. Whitmore and Cookie.
>
> Kimba the White Lion:Lion King::Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water:Atlantis
>
> Disney has this odd habit of ripping off Anime.

"Habit"? Even if I accepted that LK was a rip-off of Kimba -- which I don't
-- that's only two examples, separated by several other features. How does this
constitute a 'habit'?

--
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http://www.zipcon.net/~cpam/index.htm


Charles Melville

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Jun 22, 2001, 10:37:25 PM6/22/01
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Brian O'connell wrote:

> Shawn Keller... I've heard that name before... Isn't he the other
> Disney/Bluth style cartoonist other than Dave Kuhn?
>

Shawn was a ROWRBRAZZLEr, predating either of us; used to go by the
nickname of 'Uncle Buck'.

Also, if I'm not mistaken -- and I could be -- I believe Shawn also drew
the Bugs Bunny newspaper strip for a few years. (I'm not absolutely positive
about that; maybe Tim Fay can correct me if I'm misremembering?)

Hangdog

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Jun 23, 2001, 12:17:51 AM6/23/01
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Jace wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:34:07 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jace wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:11:53 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Kyle L. Webb" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gabriel Gentile wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, I must say I'm disappointed: I thought this guy would be an evil-hearted
> > > > > > > bastard like me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eeeeeevil?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You... are NOT evil, Dogg.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah. I've known evil. Hangdog fails to qualify.
> > > > > He's not even up to Pikachu status for evil. ;)
> > > >
> > > > By Real World standards, you're right. I'm referring to the standards of furrydumb
> > > > (oxymoron tho' that be...)
> > >
> > > And you're still here... why?
> >
> > Because plaguing your existence has become a hobby of mine. It's easy, fun, and
> > educational :o)
> >
> > --HD
>
> Small things, small minds, I suppose....

Oh dear, you have me there...yes, come to think of it, your existence is a rather small and
pointless thing.

Ah well. Call it a raffish vice, then.

--Hangdog

Hangdog

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Jun 23, 2001, 12:19:33 AM6/23/01
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Ben_Raccoon wrote:

> "Jace" <ja...@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:q4f7jtc52sg74pbd6...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:34:07 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
>
> > > Because plaguing your existence has become a hobby of mine. It's easy,
> fun, and
> > > educational :o)
> > >
> > > --HD
> >
> > Small things, small minds, I suppose....
>
> Ain't that the truth.
>
> Hey there Hangdoggy, still throwing fits about that which you can't affect?

Not at all :o) BTW, you've been "outed" again, Ben: this time by someone
completely different who found Cub Central on their own.

Time to do some spin control, eh, short-eyes?

Jace

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Jun 23, 2001, 6:45:20 PM6/23/01
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:17:51 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
wrote:

Oh! *clutches heart* I'm struck to the core....

But then, how much smaller and more pointless your existence must be,
if you find mine to be so trivial and yet you must gain your amusement
from it....

Sorta like the blind leading the blind...

ilr

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Jun 23, 2001, 4:54:12 AM6/23/01
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>
> Sorta like the blind leading the blind...
> ---

I thought it was the blind leading the stupid?


ilr

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Jun 23, 2001, 5:06:16 AM6/23/01
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> Not at all :o) BTW, you've been "outed" again, Ben: this time by someone
> completely different who found Cub Central on their own.
>
> Time to do some spin control, eh, short-eyes?
>

The only people who need to do some spin control are the morons posting
links to Cub-Porn on a Website that expressly prohibits pornography
and even eroticism of any kind for all intents and purposes. It's funny
how the most G-rated fans are the ones giving the fandom the biggest black
eye by dredging up the stuff that the Tabloids wouldn't even touch.

There's just no room for Mainstreamers to hate furrydom with
all the Self-Loathing this place already has going for itself
-Ilr


Ben

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Jun 23, 2001, 4:45:09 AM6/23/01
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Hangdog wrote:
>
> Not at all :o) BTW, you've been "outed" again, Ben: this time by someone
> completely different who found Cub Central on their own.

Legasp! Oh no! My dark secret! Ummm, yeah. ~shrugs~ Not like I've drawn
anything incriminating anyways.

> Time to do some spin control, eh, short-eyes?

Why bother, cross-eyes? If people can't be able to tell the difference
between reality and fantasy, why should I explain it to them?

Hangdog

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Jun 23, 2001, 1:27:50 PM6/23/01
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Ben wrote:

> Hangdog wrote:
> >
> > Not at all :o) BTW, you've been "outed" again, Ben: this time by someone
> > completely different who found Cub Central on their own.
>
> Legasp! Oh no! My dark secret! Ummm, yeah. ~shrugs~ Not like I've drawn
> anything incriminating anyways.
>
> > Time to do some spin control, eh, short-eyes?
>
> Why bother, cross-eyes? If people can't be able to tell the difference
> between reality and fantasy, why should I explain it to them?

Fantasies about child sex are, in reality, a Warning Sign. Like chest pains or
a birthmark that changes color. Except the danger isn't just to you, but to
other people as well--to other people *prinicipally*.

Get help, Ben. Or God help you.

--Hangdog

Hangdog

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Jun 23, 2001, 1:29:04 PM6/23/01
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Jace wrote:

No, more like a fisherman catching fish.

Hangdog

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Jun 23, 2001, 1:29:55 PM6/23/01
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ilr wrote:

In that case, step right this way, sir...


Timmy Ramone

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:02:22 PM6/23/01
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Jace wrote:
>
> Sorta like the blind leading the blind...

Corndog must be off his meds again. This almost makes me want to
take him out of my killfile just to see what he's ranting about
this week. Almost.
--

"Bowl a strike, not a spare -- revolution everywhere!" -RABL motto

Timmy Ramone

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:16:53 PM6/23/01
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Charles Melville wrote:
>
> Also, if I'm not mistaken -- and I could be -- I believe Shawn
> also drew the Bugs Bunny newspaper strip for a few years. (I'm not
> absolutely positive about that; maybe Tim Fay can correct me if I'm
> misremembering?)

Yes, Shawn, along with Brett Koth and John "Topfox" Cawley, worked
on the Looney Tunes strip while it was in syndication. John wrote
and Shawn and Brett drew, if I remember right.

Shawn has a long and impressive resume; he's worked on just about
every Disney animated feature since he started there in 1981. And
when he wasn't at Disney, he worked at Warner's. He's the kind of
fellow that when he's not drawing at work, he's drawing at home for
fun. He is as prolific as he is talented.

Jace

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:19:24 PM6/24/01
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> > But then, how much smaller and more pointless your existence must be,
> > if you find mine to be so trivial and yet you must gain your amusement
> > from it....
> >
> > Sorta like the blind leading the blind...
>
> No, more like a fisherman catching fish.

With his ear.

Jace

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:19:58 PM6/24/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:29:55 -0500, Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net>
wrote:

Thank you... I _do_ need to sit down after yanking your leash all
day... dang stubborn cuss.

Jim Doolittle

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Jun 23, 2001, 8:51:43 PM6/23/01
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In article <3B3520...@mones.4ever>, Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4ever>
wrote:

> Jace wrote:
> >
> > Sorta like the blind leading the blind...
>
> Corndog must be off his meds again. This almost makes me want to
> take him out of my killfile just to see what he's ranting about
> this week. Almost.


Let me summarize for you.

Someone makes a point or expresses an opinion he doesn't agree with.

He calls said person a pribbling beetle-headed whey-face and posts in
smug assurance that he is superior too all of fandom.

It's actually pretty darn amusing.


-Jim

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Jace

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:51:43 -0500, Jim Doolittle
<dool...@speakeasy.org> wrote:

> In article <3B3520...@mones.4ever>, Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4ever>
> wrote:
>
> > Jace wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorta like the blind leading the blind...
> >
> > Corndog must be off his meds again. This almost makes me want to
> > take him out of my killfile just to see what he's ranting about
> > this week. Almost.
>
>
> Let me summarize for you.
>
> Someone makes a point or expresses an opinion he doesn't agree with.
>
> He calls said person a pribbling beetle-headed whey-face and posts in
> smug assurance that he is superior too all of fandom.

Something like that, yup... actually, I asked why he was here if he
holds the fandom in such low esteem, and we went from there. :)



> It's actually pretty darn amusing.

I think so. Most people say 'don't feed the troll'. But me, most of
the time I like taunting the saps. *shrugs* I'm combative at times.

> -Jim

Hangdog

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:21:40 AM6/24/01
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Jim Doolittle wrote:

> In article <3B3520...@mones.4ever>, Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4ever>
> wrote:
>
> > Jace wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorta like the blind leading the blind...
> >
> > Corndog must be off his meds again. This almost makes me want to
> > take him out of my killfile just to see what he's ranting about
> > this week. Almost.
>
> Let me summarize for you.
>
> Someone makes a point or expresses an opinion he doesn't agree with.
>
> He calls said person a pribbling beetle-headed whey-face and posts in
> smug assurance that he is superior too all of fandom.

Jimmy, since you've displayed the closest thing to wit that any of my
opponents have mustered, I hereby name you the Jefferson Davis of this
confederacy of dunces.

Just make sure to keep Traveller away from anyone wearing a "zeta" pin.

--Hangdog

Gabriel Gentile

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:09:32 PM6/24/01
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> Just make sure to keep Traveller away from anyone wearing a "zeta" pin.
>
> --Hangdog


Hmmm... If there was a sudden (bowel) movement in the fandom that supported
the right to have sex with technology, would their symbol be the "beta" pin?

Ye Gods, I hope I don't inspire anyone with that thought.
--
Gabriel Gentile
Spook...@earthlink.net

"Tragedy is if I cut my finger,
Comedy is if you walk into an open sewer and die."

-Mel Brooks

Timmy Ramone

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:24:52 PM6/24/01
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Jace wrote:
>
> ...Most people say 'don't feed the troll'. But me, most of

> the time I like taunting the saps. *shrugs* I'm combative at times.

I can understand that. But you shouldn't feed them. It really
does only encourage them.

Like most trolls, Corndog follows a rather predictable pattern.
He'll go away, now, for about three weeks, and then he'll be back
with more rants on some other Threat to Furry Fandom.

Jace

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Jun 25, 2001, 12:01:04 PM6/25/01
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:24:52 GMT, Timmy Ramone <R...@mones.4ever> wrote:

> Jace wrote:
> >
> > ...Most people say 'don't feed the troll'. But me, most of
> > the time I like taunting the saps. *shrugs* I'm combative at times.
>
> I can understand that. But you shouldn't feed them. It really
> does only encourage them.

Yeah, pity that....

> Like most trolls, Corndog follows a rather predictable pattern.
> He'll go away, now, for about three weeks, and then he'll be back
> with more rants on some other Threat to Furry Fandom.

Hmmmm..... think we can lay mines around the perimeter while he's
away?

M. Mitchell Marmel

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Jun 24, 2001, 8:44:35 PM6/24/01
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Gabriel Gentile wrote:
>
> > Just make sure to keep Traveller away from anyone wearing a "zeta" pin.
> >
> > --Hangdog
>
> Hmmm... If there was a sudden (bowel) movement in the fandom that supported
> the right to have sex with technology, would their symbol be the "beta" pin?

You're thinking of L.Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology. :D

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Gabriel Gentile

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in article 3B368972...@drexel.edu, M. Mitchell Marmel at
marm...@drexel.edu wrote on 6/24/01 6:44 PM:

> Gabriel Gentile wrote:
>>
>>> Just make sure to keep Traveller away from anyone wearing a "zeta" pin.
>>>
>>> --Hangdog
>>
>> Hmmm... If there was a sudden (bowel) movement in the fandom that supported
>> the right to have sex with technology, would their symbol be the "beta" pin?
>
> You're thinking of L.Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology. :D

How much do they charge their members?

Hangdog

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Jun 25, 2001, 12:37:23 AM6/25/01
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Gabriel Gentile wrote:

> in article 3B368972...@drexel.edu, M. Mitchell Marmel at
> marm...@drexel.edu wrote on 6/24/01 6:44 PM:
>
> > Gabriel Gentile wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just make sure to keep Traveller away from anyone wearing a "zeta" pin.
> >>>
> >>> --Hangdog
> >>
> >> Hmmm... If there was a sudden (bowel) movement in the fandom that supported
> >> the right to have sex with technology, would their symbol be the "beta" pin?
> >
> > You're thinking of L.Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology. :D
>
> How much do they charge their members?

"...two--three---FOUR..."

Hannah Kincaid

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