A Matter of Grave Importance..
che...@ius.gun.de
mmi...@airmail.net (Matthew Milam) schrieb am 07.10.1997 um 12:58:44 Uhr folgendes unter dem Betreff "A Matter of Grave Importance..":
> They enjoy looking at your
> logs, seeing when you screw up, and then throw off the system for no
> reason or a half-assed one.
Oh come on, don't you see how _childish_ this is...
You should keep one thing in mind: A MUCK is a privilege, not a right.
Those people who let you use their private machines and software for your
enjoyment for free have all the rights they want to deny them to you for
whatever reason.
And if you're unable to talk to people without being sarcastic (sarcasm
_never_ works on the net, people will always feel insulted), or without
flaming people in meaningless OS wars ... well, then don't be surprised if
people choose to play with someone else.
CIAO, ____/|
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U
A smiling face, a warm embrace, two paws to hold me tenderly ...
Jim Doolittle
In article
<7FD110FE3ECAC235.5E5C1F5F...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
mmi...@airmail.net wrote:
> hounded over things that don't matter. And when i speak my opinon on
> them to the point where i'm right, I don't want to be thrown off the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, I think that pretty much describes Mr. Milam.
No, he's not arrogant at all...<this is sarcasm for the humor-impaird>
-Jim
--
Jim Doolittle
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Matthew Milam
On Wed, 8 Oct 97 15:33:56 CET, che...@ius.gun.de () wrote:
>
>Oh come on, don't you see how _childish_ this is...
>
This is not childish, This is serious issue. More serious than some of
the other topics going around here lately.
>You should keep one thing in mind: A MUCK is a privilege, not a right.
>Those people who let you use their private machines and software for your
>enjoyment for free have all the rights they want to deny them to you for
>whatever reason.
>
And you should keep one thing in mind. I don't like being harassed and
hounded over things that don't matter. And when i speak my opinon on
them to the point where i'm right, I don't want to be thrown off the
system for it. Why make a muck if the only thing your going to do this
break the rules?
>And if you're unable to talk to people without being sarcastic (sarcasm
>_never_ works on the net, people will always feel insulted),
I don't understand how this fits with me.
or without
>flaming people in meaningless OS wars ... well, then don't be surprised if
>people choose to play with someone else.
So why don't you just say you don't care and leave it.
Sincerely,
Matthew Milam
Matthew Milam
On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:32:51 -0500, dool...@uiuc.edu (Jim Doolittle)
wrote:
>In article
><7FD110FE3ECAC235.5E5C1F5F...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
>mmi...@airmail.net wrote:
>
>> hounded over things that don't matter. And when i speak my opinon on
>> them to the point where i'm right, I don't want to be thrown off the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Well, I think that pretty much describes Mr. Milam.
>
>No, he's not arrogant at all...<this is sarcasm for the humor-impaird>
>
>-Jim
How about i explain what i mean by "The point where i'm right"?
I dont' push the conversation, I merely just try and show facts and
see if something happens. However, this seems to piss people off.
However, when it's done in the reverse, suddenly they get mad and call
the wizzes.
So Sir, If you want to call me out as an ignorant asshole, go right
ahead. But you are not free from your own demons.
Sincerely,
Matthew Milam
"People can question, harass, and kill me if they want. But is a
conversation worth it?" M. Milam
Matthew Milam
On Wed, 8 Oct 97 15:33:56 CET, che...@ius.gun.de () wrote:
>mmi...@airmail.net (Matthew Milam) schrieb am 07.10.1997 um 12:58:44 Uhr folgendes unter dem Betreff "A Matter of Grave Importance..":
>
>> They enjoy looking at your
>> logs, seeing when you screw up, and then throw off the system for no
>> reason or a half-assed one.
>
>Oh come on, don't you see how _childish_ this is...
>
>You should keep one thing in mind: A MUCK is a privilege, not a right.
>Those people who let you use their private machines and software for your
>enjoyment for free have all the rights they want to deny them to you for
>whatever reason.
>
>And if you're unable to talk to people without being sarcastic (sarcasm
>_never_ works on the net, people will always feel insulted), or without
>flaming people in meaningless OS wars ... well, then don't be surprised if
>people choose to play with someone else.
>
>CIAO, ____/|
> ____ |____ ____ ____ |__ ____ |____ @ius.gun.de | Radjah on \ o.O|
>(_____| )(___/_(___/_|____(____|| ) @softgold.com | FurryMuck =(_)=
> U
> A smiling face, a warm embrace, two paws to hold me tenderly ...
Well, that's one flame.
n article
<7FD110FE3ECAC235.5E5C1F5F...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
mmi...@airmail.net wrote:
> hounded over things that don't matter. And when i speak my opinon on
> them to the point where i'm right, I don't want to be thrown off the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Well, I think that pretty much describes Mr. Milam.
>No, he's not arrogant at all...<this is sarcasm for the humor-impaird>
>-Jim
--
>Jim Doolittle
dool...@uiuc.edu
gi...@avara.com
http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/doolittl
PGP 5.0 public key available
______________
Yet another flame, this gets better and better. Instead of reading the
post, I get flamed from it. Gee, I guess these two really wanna make
sure i shut up.
Sincerely,
Matthew Milam
Matthew Milam
On 8 Oct 1997 22:15:46 -0500, pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
wrote:
>In article <7FD110FE3ECAC235.5E5C1F5F...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
>>And you should keep one thing in mind. I don't like being harassed and
>>hounded over things that don't matter. And when i speak my opinon on
>>them to the point where i'm right, I don't want to be thrown off the
>>system for it. Why make a muck if the only thing your going to do this
>>break the rules?
>
>You sound like a spammer.
>
>"I don't like being harassed and hounded over things that don't matter, you
>can always just hit delete, and when I send you a message you might be
>interested in I don't want to be thrown off the system for it. Why have a
>network if you can't do business on it?"
>
>The arguments are no more valid when it's some kid beabling about how cool
>Windows 95 is on a muck.
Oh, so you would rather discuess why Kevin Duane is the scum of the
earth because he didn't pay any of you on a game? or the defintion of
what a Furry Artist is,?
And you think I sound like a spammer..........
Then report me and have my access revoked so that you and rest of your
elite group can feel proud. I have a serious problem here and it's
always the same resposne.
"No, we don't care"
"I'm not interested"
"Your childish"
The following three comments above me is bullshit.
Sincerely,
Matthew Milam
Matthew Milam
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:30:17 -0400, Michael McGee
<readsi...@bottomofpage.com> wrote:
>Matthew Milam wrote:
>>
>> MUCKs as i understand it are places were people can relax and have fun
>> and find new friends. But from MY own experiences, it can be something
>> entirely different.
>
> <snip>
> Mat... it's a video game.
I really don't care, this is a serious issue. if people choose to
laugh at me all the time then there laughing at themsleves.
Matthew Milam
A Super Genius...
Okay, brainstorm here. You ready? Yeah, ready. Get a load of his one:
Start your own Muck. Find some nice guy with some space on his server
he's willing to give you and then start up your own muck with your own
rules and regulations and what not, and then invite everyone there. Then
like, we'll all see exactly what you're trying to say here first hand and
in action. Yeah? Yeah. Well, it's just a thought. Stop looking at me
funny.
--
What you see here is a fantasy! A computer enhanced halucination!
--
Matthew Milam
On 09 Oct 1997 23:59:40 GMT, cate...@ctrl-c.liu.se (CATerwaul)
wrote:
>In article <0169C52E2193C6A5.07F4414E...@library-proxy.airnews.net> mmi...@airmail.net (Matthew Milam) writes:
>
>)MUCKs as i understand it are places were people can relax and have fun
>)and find new friends. But from MY own experiences, it can be something
>)entirely different.
>
>[BOBBIT]
>
>)This was a rather ignorant response to my leaving. I had toaded myself
>)earlier before this because the wizard (CATerwaul) made me rather
>)upset.
>
>[BOBBIT]
>
>WHEEE! Breakthrough! I'm finally famous for my nasty ways an rough
>behaviur. Me a happy kitten now! *mrrrr* =^.^=
>
>A tad more serious (but not much): I've read the comments to this
>note, and I don't really have much to add but pointing out that if
>Guyver had been only a personal problem to me, I'd set him on the huge
>ugly ignorelist (which I for months actually did), but the fact that I
>started to argue with him was that:
>
>a. He didn't leave me alone despite the fact I asked him to[1].
>2. He started to bug friends of mine.
>q. It became fun to tease him and watch him blow up[2][3].
>
>I guess that most furries now has figured out why he booted this noble
>and selfaware gentleman that'd never twist the truth and always is 100
>percent objective. In fact, we always boot every player that behaves,
>AND also all those that doesn't behave. In fact, our secret is a kind
>of player-rotating sceme; we @toad one player for every drink we
>finish when we're having a party, starting with the player with the
>lowest dbref and continuing until we're too drunk to hit the right
>key! The first one to accidentally @toad a wizard or someone that is
>someone elses friend, looses and has to pay all the booze for the next
>party. A kind of russian roulette, just not as self-disasterous if you
>happen to be the one that lost (besides, we'd run out of friends and
>wizards pretty soon otherwise).
>
>After the party we always blame it all on FuzzBall and UNIX screwing
>up again and corrupting the database. This is also the reason why we
>refuse to switch to Windows 95; such a superiour OS would immediately
>remove our possibility to blame our roulette on the OS since all
>products from the noble and superiour company MicroSoft NEVER, as we
>all know by now, could screw up that bad, and that everyone would
>realise by then what we've been doing all these years. This is also
>the real reason why we have such pathetic peaks of only 120 players
>logged on at the same time as all time high. Shees, all those low-watt
>bulbs that keeps coming back, that they never learn...
>
>Unfortunately since Guyver is such a bright person as he is, he found
>out the truth and we had to get rid of him while being sober! What a
>waste. Guyver isn't only bright by the way, he's also a very brave
>person! To challenge Peter da Silva like that, asking him to try to
>get rid of him is a very brave action! Either brave or veeery stupid!
>*wavies to the fellow BOFH, even if he happens to be under
> charactername rather than playername at the moment*
>
>Oh, and Guyver, just to make sure you understand: in this article I've
>used something called irony[8]. It's like humour, but slightly meaner
>and cynical. I just wanted to point that out since I know, from the
>time when you were a player on SPR, that you usually fail to detect it
>by yourself, as well as common sense and self-criticism.
>
>/CAT (finally out of the closet, admitting he stepped up as log-wizard
> for being able to harass innocent, friendly people, like poor
> Guyver here[9]).
>
>[1] The policies of SPR actually made him a possible target for a toad
> or at least a warning already at that point, but as the wiz that,
> among other things, got Random thrown out from SPR kinda made my
> skin tough enough to not really bother.
>
>[2] Hey, I'm just a cat[4]!
>
>[3] A little like teasing a lemming until the poor sod doesn't know
> what to do, but just jumps up and down madly[5].
>
>[4] And a nasty one too. Mrrr. After all, you DO get a bit fed up
> with all the lusers on a MUCK when you've sorted out your first 50
> cases of "(s)he harassed me, @toad him/her!"[6].
>
>[5] I've heard that if you do it well enough the poor buggers might
> die of cardiac arrest. You might wonder how they managed to
> survive despite this since they're pretty easy to tease too[7].
>
>[6] Which occationally gave me scary flashbacks to when I
> administrated computers running basically MacOS 6 & 7 and Windows
> 3.11/95. "No mister, there was nothing wrong with your printer, it
> only needed a powercord". Gah. Lusers, they're everywhere!
>
>[7] No, I've never teased a lemming, I've only watched. Promise! I'm
> not addicted, I can stop whenever I want!
>
>[8] Not really the same as iron, even if you DO remove the fabric...
>
>[9] Let's all give him a suffocating gruop-hug!
You always show how stupid you are.........Too bad most people don't
see it.
Matthew Milam
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:33:43 -0400, Michael McGee
<readsi...@bottomofpage.com> wrote:
> Well... it IS kind of a weird thing to get your undies in a bunch
>about, right? Mistreatment on a video game? If it was your boss
>mistreating you, or your spouse, I'd be dead serious, but this? This
>seems about as serious as a stubbed toe.
> I've been hurt online too, Matt. In chats, on MUCKs, on Quake,
>newsgroups, everywhere. Difference being, I know that it happens and
>that it's gonna happen no matter what kind of stink I raise about it.
>So what do I do? i go on with my life. Life is just too damn short to
>get upset over these things. I have around sixty years of life left,
>maybe less, possibly a lot less.
Moving on is easy, moving on while the things you care about fall
apart isn't. I don't care for the "life's too short", If i die a
screwed-up man that's my business. The majority of why our world falls
apart is because of that saying.
I intend to enjoy it while I have it,
>and not get ulcers from these kinds of things. That's advice I want you
>to take, Mat.
After the shit i've been through, i've had enough of that saying,
simply because right after that comes some other crisis in my life.
That saying makes it worse.........
If you've got nothing else to do than be upset over how
>you were mistreated in a role-playing game,
Listen to me, most of you i assume care about being furry. But then
you pull this and say i need a life. I have one damn it, but i have an
issue that i think is of some concern, and i'm sorry if the rest of
this newsgroup belives that i'm stupid for putting this up. Well, i'm
not.
Why am i explaining this to you? Your gonna say the same damn thing. I
need a life. I need this, I need that. I don't need
jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need someone to listen, not attenion, but to listen and for once
take their head out of Disneyworld for a minute.
I honestly suggest you widen
>your view beyond the monitor's edges.
Read the above.
A walk with the dog every night
>keeps me in shape and in touch. The 'Net may be great, but I'm not
>about to shortchange RL just yet.
I'm not addicted to the net, but just like rl, issues here determine
quality of some the fandom's highly look-upon pleasures, Mucking is
one of them.
(And maybe these "RL bashers" on the
>MUCKs are joking about the fact they have no life? Having no life is
>like a status symbol on the 'Net.)
I do have one, and i'm going to say that again. I HAVE ONE!
> Oh... and I'm not laughing at myself.
I'm not laughing at all, to tell
>the truth. Right now, I'm hoping that you manage to pull yourself out
>of this funk you're in.
I've said this again, This isn't a funk. And if you think this is,
then your dead wrong. This is a serious issue and i'm sorry if your
stuck in sitcomisms in order to explain this.
Because I spent, oh, pretty much my entire
>acedemic career in one of those and they are not fun.
But there REAL, and that's the point. I can't be happy, not because i
choose too, but because of what i've seen. And that doesn't mean that
life sucks to me, but it means that i've got to look around at the
stuff that's important, not screwing around smiling just because a
select few hate the serious ones. And that doesn' t include arguments
ranging from people not paying artists to if furries can eat the
lastest foods.
I came here because i thought could open the newsgroup up to a matter
that i assume would be taken seriously because alot of people use
mucks, especially here. But that doesn't seem the case......
I'm sorry i brought this, not-so-fun posting to this newsgroup. I
guess you rather get upset about SPAM, an issue which can't be stopped
because of the millions of people out their who are still doing it,
Sincerely,
Matthew Milam (Would have been easier to complain about Microsoft,
then you guys would be racking up with responses.)
CMelvi6195
In article
<0169C52E2193C6A5.07F4414E...@library-proxy.airnews.n
et>, mmi...@airmail.net wrote:
>MUCKs as i understand it are places were people can relax and have fun
>and find new friends. But from MY own experiences, it can be something
>entirely different.
Big snip.
Frankly, as far as I can see, this is just as much out of place
here as the entire BajorMUCK fight.
Reading between the lines, I don't see much of anything in the way
of innocent people here on either side, Matt; sorry.
The only thing that really mystifies me is -why- you'd even want
to persist on remaining in an environment where you are neither comfortable
or wanted?
-Chuck Melville-
<http://members.aol.com/cmelvi6195/page1.html>
Karl Meyer
Matthew Milam <mmi...@airmail.net> wrote:
: You always show how stupid you are.........Too bad most people don't
: see it.
Pot.Kettle.Black.
Most of us have more sense than to quote an entire long post and add a
single line comment to it. You have some serious growing up to do and it
would be a lot easier on you (and the rest of us) if you did it offline.
CMelvi6195
In article
<FC7F3C67B6EAE80F.CDE43D14...@library-proxy.airnews.n
et>, mmi...@airmail.net wrote:
>And that's the shameful part of this fandom, even if the post isn't
>the interesting subject of the week, doesn't it raise any eyebrows.
It does, but not in the way you may wish. All I can see is that
this isn't a furry matter (if such a thing exists), but is more of a
personal problem. And not one you're interested in resolving since you
don't seem to be able to recognize it as such, or even willing to consider
as a posibility. I'm afraid all you're succeeding at here, Matt, is at
embarassing yourself. Sorry.
-Chuck Melville-
<http://members.aol.com/cmelvi6195/page1.html>