Gone Or Still Packing?

[F. Brown]

Haven't seen you lately.

[Oglethorpe]

"F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Haven't seen you lately.

Good question. He never should have been charged.

[F. Brown]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
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We agreed on that a couple of years ago. Last I heard I thought
his attorney was filing an appeal.

[F. Brown]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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> Frank has been in his prison cell since 9/11
>
> The judge refused bail pending appeal because the child pornography
> videos found on his computers showed he was a danger to children and
> having allowed his home to go into foreclosure made him a flight risk.
>
> https://ecf.gamd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2007-00018-196-1-cr
>
> the Court cannot find by clear and convincing evidence that Defendant
> is not likely to flee or pose a danger to the community.
>
> Accordingly, for the reasons stated herein,
> the Court finds that Defendant's Motion
> (Doc. 194) should be, and is,hereby DENIED
> .
> SO ORDERED this 11th day of September, 2013.
> /s/ W. Louis Sands
> THE HONORABLE W. LOUIS SANDS, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

Thanks for the info, Judge Sands is a piece of shit. He delayed three years
in issuing
his verdict, probably hoping Frank would die first. I'm no lawyer but I
don't think
using the child porn found on Frank's computer as a reason to deny bail on
appeal is
right. Frank was neither charged no convicted because it was found without a
warrant
and thus inadmissible. So why should it be brought up at a bail hearing.
I hope his lawyer is appealing this. This whole thing has been a kangaroo
court.
There is supposed to be an element of fairness in out judicial system, but
the government
is increasingly using unfair tactics to charge people for petty violations.

[Frank McCoy]

"F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Haven't seen you lately.

Was gone for two weeks.
Took that long for the judge to reinstate my bail during the appeal
process because of a misunderstanding.

Then, when I got out, it took another week for the judge to approve my
having the same restrictions I had during the previous long wait.

AND ... It took until last night for me to get my main computer back;
and until this morning to get my Internet-Connection re-established.

So ... I was gone; but now I'm back while the appeals-process goes
through.

Who knows how long THAT will take?
;-{

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[Frank McCoy]

I'm not knocking Judge Sands.
As to why he denied bail, it was mainly a misunderstanding between me
and my parole-agent about my home, NOT that he found me a danger to
anybody.

The home was NOT in default.
I had NOT given away everything I needed to live here.
I HAD given away (or sold) some of the NICER stuff that nobody in the
family (or friends) wanted, that I didn't want left for whoever took
over the house; but I had mainly *replaced* most of that stuff with
cheap junk so I could live comfortably while staying there.
The kid DID take the car; so I had to get a replacement when I got
back; though I COULD have gotten around with my bike and Public
Transportation (that I was just learning how to use).
The main bother when I got back was replacing all of the food I gave
away while expecting to be gone for an indefinite period (up to 18
months). I still had a FEW canned-goods left; and managed to pick up
a few necessities (like milk and such) with my bike; but it wasn't
until one of the wife's relatives drove me around with his rather
large pickup that I managed to fill up the refrigerator (and deplete
my bank-account).

Once the misunderstanding was cleared up, Judge Sands *DID* issue
bail, pending appeals, and then, when asked by my lawyer, *DID*
reinstate my Internet Access ... Subject to the same restrictions as
before. If he had been a complete A**, then he could have left me
sitting.

Of course, THAT would have raised the possibility (probability?) of
the Appeals-Court finding me "Not Guilty" several years AFTER I had
already served the full sentence ... and lost the house and everything
in it as well.

But it wasn't the judge's fault!
Nor was it really my Parol-Agent's fault.
I just didn't realize how my keeping the guy up-to-date on what I was
doing in getting ready in case I DID have to spend more than a month
or two in jail, sounded to him.

Once corrected ... Well, I'm back ... For now at least, while the
appeals process grinds slowly through the courts.

Since it's taken THIS long to get this far, any bets on how a system
notoriously SLOW will drag on?

[Tim Merrigan]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:36:03 -0500, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
wrote:

I suspect longer then it might have, what with the sequester and now
the shutdown. I suspect your case is fairly low priority and so
likely to be postponed when the courts and investigators run out of
money.

[Frank McCoy]

I suspect you might be right.
It will probably *continue* though; because both sides figure it's
important enough to keep plugging away at.

[Frank McCoy]

Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:36:03 -0500, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
>wrote:
>

>So how was prison Frank?
>
Not that bad.

>Were you in the general population, solitary confinement or a sex
>offenders wing?

General population.
I'm *NOT* a "sex offender".
I posted "obscene material".
"Material" that THREE local judges wouldn't even issue search-warrants
for, even when I admitted writing and posting such stuff.

That's rather like calling a Murder-Mystery-Writer guilty of
"manslaughter" because he/she described such a horrific scene in gory
detail from the perpetrator's viewpoint.

See the post I made about what it was like.
Supposedly "much worse" than a "normal" Federal Prison.
(Where I was supposedly heading for a minimum-restriction place.)
Except for some stupid rules requiring a prisoner to show up, eat, be
counted, and such, I could practically sleep through a couple of years
of that. I've lived through MUCH worse.
No ... The WORST part would be:
A. Lack of good reading-material.
B. Losing most of the stuff I've saved up for all my life.

On the other hand ....
MOST of that "stuff" I got for the WIFE, not me.
SHE wanted "Nice Things": House, car, furniture, dishes, etc.
I got them for her.
Didn't make much nevermind to ME.
But, I promised her that if she'd marry me (over 40 years ago) she
would HAVE nice things because I'd GET them for her. I did.
Now, where she's moving-to, she can't take them with her; and she
can't move back in with me, because *I* can't take care of her.
Rats.

So, the "nice things" bit, except for her jewelry and such, is pretty
much moot. *I* am comfortable with furniture that supports my butt, a
working computer with newsgroup and email access, a local library, a
cat or two, and enough food so I don't starve or get TOO bored.

Oh yeah: And being able to spend a few hours every week or so with the
wife. I'm addicted to her company. Time on the telephone with her
HELPS; but just isn't quite the same thing. Rather like weaning a
heroin-addict by supplying only oxycodone. If she dies, the
withdrawal-symptoms will be excruciating.

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:38:08 -0400, "F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>

> Frank has been in his prison cell since 9/11
>

Looks like you're a liar.

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:36:03 -0500, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
> wrote:
>

> So how was prison Frank?
>

> Were you in the general population, solitary confinement or a sex
> offenders wing?

You're a moron.

[Frank McCoy]

Actually, from the 12th through the 24th.
One day less than two weeks.

And yes, my attorney is filing an appeal.
I'm out on bail (with the same restrictions as before) during the
appeal process; which could take ....

Considering how long the pre-trial, trial, and verdict took; and also
considering the total complexity of the case, we could all be long
dead and gone before it's finally ruled on ... if then.

[Oglethorpe]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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Sounds like they've painted themselves into a corner.

[F. Brown]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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Glad to hear it worked out. I've been dealing with family emergency so
I haven't been following. Personally I don't think the judge should have
taken so long to render his decision. SCOTUS hears much more elaborate
and difficult cases and renders decisions within a couple of months. Why
should your decision take years? Anyway, glad to see you back.

[Oglethorpe]

"F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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They painted themselves into a corner and are hoping Frank will die and save
them.

[Frank McCoy]

"F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Personally I don't think the judge should have
>taken so long to render his decision. SCOTUS hears much more elaborate
>and difficult cases and renders decisions within a couple of months. Why
>should your decision take years? Anyway, glad to see you back.

Appeals courts often take years; and the SCOTUS in some cases DOES
take years. It's only in "national emergencies" (as defined more by
politics than any real disaster) that they speed things up.

But, I do tend to agree: Six years for a judge to rule on a case, even
one as complicated as mine, DOES seem a bit excessive. Especially so,
in light of what his final ruling was.

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[Frank McCoy]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote:

>They painted themselves into a corner and are hoping Frank will die and save
>them.

I've often wondered about that myself.
Not accusing anybody, mind; but the idea DID occur.

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[F. Brown]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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> "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote:
>
>>They painted themselves into a corner and are hoping Frank will die and
>>save
>>them.
>
> I've often wondered about that myself.
> Not accusing anybody, mind; but the idea DID occur.
>

Piss 'em off, don't die. ( Just watch out for guys in ninja suits and black
helicopters )

[F. Brown]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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The judge probably made his decision two minutes after your lawyer began
your defense.

[Oglethorpe]

"F. Brown" <fred...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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Same decision as Pontius Pilot made. The judge washed his hads of the
matter. There's no "good" decision to be made.

>
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[Frank McCoy]

No matter WHAT conclusion he came to, *somebody* was likely to be
mighty pissed about it; and scream, "That's the WORST decision I ever
heard!" My *guess* is that he decided to piss-off least those he
lives around.

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[Tim Merrigan]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:29:12 -0700, Full Name <us...@example.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:03:36 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
>wrote:

>I'm talking to the organ grinder not his pet pedophile monkey.
>His silence speaks volumes and probably answers the question.

Yes, it does. It says he follows the advice, "Please do not feed the
trolls."

Speaking of which: PLONK.

[Frank McCoy]

Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:

>His silence speaks volumes and probably answers the question.

Silence?
I posted a whole paragraph or more in reply.
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Is your newsservice busted?

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:03:36 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
> wrote:
>
>>

> I'm talking to the organ grinder not his pet pedophile monkey.

> His silence speaks volumes and probably answers the question.

And you're still a fucktard moron.

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message

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> What part of, "I'm talking to the organ grinder not his pet pedophile
> monkeys" such as yourself, don't you understand?

You're a fuctard who runs around calling everyone who won't agree with you a
peophile. Which likely means you are a pedophile.

[Frank McCoy]

Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 02:29:59 -0500, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
>wrote:
>

>>Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>His silence speaks volumes and probably answers the question.
>>
>>Silence?
>>I posted a whole paragraph or more in reply.
>
>

>Apologies.
>
>You did indeed answer the question,but in another thread.

>
>
>
>>:Message-ID: <dir3699jh7va4n103...@4ax.com>
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>>Is your newsservice busted?

Check again.
That Message-ID is my direct response in *THIS* very thread to your
original question.

In fact, the very specific reply to your question, the very one you
said there was "only silence" to, was posted less than hour after your
post. That's why I asked if your newsserver was broken.

Yes, I *DID* make other comments that very same day, which *would*
have answered your question as well; but either your server didn't
give that particular message to you, you skipped over it, or it got
otherwise deleted.

It's still there on servers with any decent hold-time.
Funny ... Google-Groups does show the message; but the only way I've
found to access it on Google, is to follow the entire "Gone Or Still
Packing?" thread from the beginning.

[F. Brown]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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Nothing like a good old fashioned spanking for an unruly child. :-))

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:34:33 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

> Your posting history speaks for itself "OggleThorpe"'
>
> You don't get to brag about ogling little children's crotches on
> Florida beaches in pedophile groups,and protest your innocence in
> Frank's group.
>
>

Never did that, dipshit.
<plonk>

[Oglethorpe]

"Full Name" <us...@example.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:32:48 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

> An illiterate moron asks a question like this in a ham radio group.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.radio.amateur.policy/n5rDglDMhSw/GbXaIAjV4V4J
>
> "A question: If a child willingly approaches an adult and offers sex
> in exchange for money, is it child abuse to aquiess (SIC)?"
>
>
Cross posting by fucktard trols like you.

[Oglethorpe]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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fullname = scumbag troll.
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[Frank McCoy]

Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:

>I don't think your acolytes realize you are reasonably comfortable
>communicating with your critics.

Always have been.
Sometimes critics have more interesting things to say than fans.
Not always; but sometimes.

Just as an example, neither:
"Your stuff is wonderful. I love it!"
nor:
"Your stuff is crap. You should be shot!"
is very useful.
A post that details WHAT is wonderful, or WHAT specifically is manure,
can be incredibly helpful. Rarely indeed do I get that sort.

As for your posts:
If you ask a valid question, I'll try to answer it.
If you post something invalid, I'll try (once only) to correct it.
If you post something just insulting, I'll tend to ignore it.
If you just want to argue, again you'll get ignored.
If you actually want to DISCUSS things, then welcome!

It's the same way for me with email, and always has been.
Anybody is welcome: Poets, punsters, friends, enemies, fiends, enemas,
boys, girls, LEA, old-farts, spring-chickens, idiots, geniuses, cops
and robbers, cowboys and indians. Pretty young women are particularly
welcome; even though the only one I *chase* is my wife.
Hey ... I'm allowed to look!
Just be careful that what you say (and/or post) is legal.
And ... Don't ASK for anything illegal. You might just get it, along
with a visit from big husky men in blue suits who have some nice shiny
new bracelets for you to wear.

A large problem with Boob&Cruller, was that a large portion of
his/her/their/its posts were not just insulting, but often illegal.
But I sometimes answered him/her/it/them as well.
Not very often though.

[Frank McCoy]

Full Name <us...@example.net> wrote:

>Google groups has changed considerably and not necessarily for the
> better.

Definitely for the worse, especially compared with Deja-News which
they bought-out years ago.

[Oglethorpe]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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THe problem with Full Name is he assumes anyone who doesn't shre his views
is a child molester. And that makes him valuless in my book.

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[Frank McCoy]

It's a common practice to ass-u-me the worst about people who disagree
with your position, no matter what said position is. Along with that
goes the assumption of the worst possible motives for said
disagreement.

This leads almost directly to the common ad-hominem fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Also these common fallacies:
Appeal to emotion.
Guilt by association.
Personal attack.
Poisoning the Well.
Along with others as well.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

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[Oglethorpe]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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AKA Alinskyism.

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[Frank McCoy]

Um ... No.

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[Oglethorpe]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message

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Straight from "Rules for Radicals" playbook. Used by Obama and Demovcrats
against Reblicans and TEA.

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[Frank McCoy]

I don't read his Rules that way.

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