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Was Trouble Every Day the first Rap song?

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marc rosen

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Oct 1, 2009, 9:29:34 PM10/1/09
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Hey, I'm half joking here, but the way Frank is singing those rhyming
lyrics it sounds like a prelude to the early rap songs that followed
years after. Now I'm not familiar with many other songs from the mid
60s but this is definitely ahead of its time by my standards. Any
commnets?
Marc

Strictly Commercial

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Oct 2, 2009, 1:01:15 AM10/2/09
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Others have tried to claim FZ as a pioneering rapper. "Talking blues" is
a more likely precursor to what he was doing in this song. At that
point, Dylan had been doing that sort of thing for a couple of years.

Just in case anybody actually thinks FZ could rap, check out Promiscuous
on Broadway the Hard Way. Not only the worst song in his catalogue, it's
inept by just about any standard. "What was he thinking?"

Rolf

computeruser

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Oct 2, 2009, 5:29:24 AM10/2/09
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He wanted to get his single on the charts with a bullet?!

Maybe you were asking a rhetorical question.

The old geezer

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Oct 2, 2009, 7:31:11 AM10/2/09
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Actually, Sonny Bono's "My Best Friend's Girl Is Outtasight" from 1965
might be considered the 1st (C)rap song....not that it's anything to
brag about.

TOG

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pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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Oct 2, 2009, 9:19:47 AM10/2/09
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On Oct 2, 12:01 am, Strictly Commercial <maurerr...@telus.net> wrote:

> Just in case anybody actually thinks FZ could rap, check out Promiscuous
> on Broadway the Hard Way.

FZ doesn't perform on that track.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

Strictly Commercial

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Oct 2, 2009, 12:27:21 PM10/2/09
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Sure, Pat, blame it on somebody else.

According to Charles, Promiscuous was "recorded in Royal Oak (near Detroit),
Michigan on February 26. Ike Willis sings lead, with backing vocals by
Mike Keneally
and FZ." It is, according to Charles, the only performance of this piece.

Rolf

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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Oct 2, 2009, 12:38:40 PM10/2/09
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On Oct 2, 11:27 am, Strictly Commercial <maurerr...@telus.net> wrote:

> According to Charles, Promiscuous was "recorded in Royal Oak (near Detroit),
> Michigan on February 26. Ike Willis sings lead, with backing vocals by
> Mike Keneally
> and FZ." It is, according to Charles, the only performance of this piece.

Sounds more like Robert Martin to me on backing vocals than Keneally
and FZ (although FZ may have joined Ike on a few lines - I haven't
listened to this in a while). Charles is correct that it's the only
performance.

IMO the track does suggest that FZ wasn't keeping up with rap too much
by then, but Scott Thunes's sample-imitation bass is impressive.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

Charles Ulrich

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Oct 2, 2009, 12:45:03 PM10/2/09
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In article <JRpxm.47481$PH1.39851@edtnps82>,
Strictly Commercial <maure...@telus.net> wrote:

> pbuzb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 12:01 am, Strictly Commercial <maurerr...@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Just in case anybody actually thinks FZ could rap, check out Promiscuous
> >> on Broadway the Hard Way.
> >
> > FZ doesn't perform on that track.
>
> Sure, Pat, blame it on somebody else.
>
> According to Charles, Promiscuous was "recorded in Royal Oak (near
> Detroit), Michigan on February 26. Ike Willis sings lead, with
> backing vocals by Mike Keneally and FZ."

FZ joins in on "Dr. Koop" and "anal sex", for instance. (And probably
also "all the poop", "amazes me", and "get-up".)

--Charles

Charles Ulrich

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Oct 2, 2009, 12:55:11 PM10/2/09
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In article
<231847f1-90d0-47b6...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
pbuzb...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Oct 2, 11:27�am, Strictly Commercial <maurerr...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > According to Charles, Promiscuous was "recorded in Royal Oak (near Detroit),
> > Michigan on February 26. Ike Willis sings lead, with backing vocals by
> > Mike Keneally
> > and FZ." It is, according to Charles, the only performance of this piece.
>
> Sounds more like Robert Martin to me on backing vocals than Keneally

You may be correct. I may have been fooled by the stereo image: the
non-FZ backing voice is panned to the right, which is Mike's normal
position, whereas Robert is usually on the left.

--Charles

Yesterdays Wafflez

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Oct 3, 2009, 9:01:27 PM10/3/09
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<maurerr...@telus.net> wrote:
..Just in case anybody actually thinks FZ could rap, check out
Promiscuous on Broadway the Hard Way....

Also the Palladium version of 'Dumb All Over' is kind of "rap-ish"
spoken lyrical poetry...no?

thanz,
Y.W.

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