Lou reed vs Frank Zappa
serveyerself
give me the details?
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"serveyerself" <servey...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I understand that these two didn't like each other. Is that true? Can anyone
> give me the details?
>
>
Hmmmm. It would be curious if true. I believe it was Lou Reed who read
the induction for FZ at the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.
-Kevbo (Who knows next to nothing)
Frunobulax
to stop seeing him by announcing at a recording session: "I am no longer
sleeping with Jews."
Maybe Frank said something similar.
really and for true,
cae
mike macken
<servey...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I understand that these two didn't like each other. Is that true? Can anyone
>give me the details?
>
>
DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE BUT I ASSURE YOU they are at opposite ends of
the ability scale in virtually every way.
I'de be pressed to think of a worse guitar player with a voice as bad.
He's the best of course of all the worst if some wrong's been done he
done it first.
Frunobulax
Aw, Frank's not THAT bad.
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album,...and one beat the other to it,...
???
was this ever true?
but hey
I know nothing...
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Charles Ulrich
"the monastery" <talers@(remove)home.nl> wrote:
> I thought that the rumour was they both tried to release the first double
> album,...and one beat the other to it,...
Bob Dylan beat them both with Blonde On Blonde.
The Velvet Underground & Nico was a single LP (albeit in a gatefold
sleeve).
Both the Mothers and the Velvets were signed to Verve. Lou Reed's
dislike of FZ may have stemmed in part from resentment over the fact
that Verve delayed VU&N and released Freak Out! first.
--Charles
Hasi
>
> In article <c0tc2i$75$1...@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
> "the monastery" <talers@(remove)home.nl> wrote:
>
> > I thought that the rumour was they both tried to release the first double
> > album,...and one beat the other to it,...
>
> Bob Dylan beat them both with Blonde On Blonde.
What is the exact release date for Blonde On Blonde?
Hasi
Charles Ulrich
Bobdylan.com and the AMG say May 16, 1966.
Roger Ford <http://www.rdf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BobPart1/BobPart1.htm>
says it was late June.
--Charles
Greyson
to We're Only in It For The Money
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Charles Ulrich
nicuphi...@aol.com (Greyson) wrote:
> well he does mention that the Velvet Underground is a shitty band if
> you listin to We're Only in It For The Money
That was Gary Kellgren.
Besides, the Mothers are just as shitty.
--Charles
Michael G Smith
May 16, 1966
E Grainger
included a couple of Lou Reed lines disparaging about FZ's lack of talent. I
had taken them at face value until the induction happened, then presumed it
was either ironic, or manufactured in a Blur vs Oasis kind of way. Wish I
could find the book. I think it was published by Omnibus in the U.K.
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GW
I used to have that book too (may still have it stashed away
somewhere). I had thought at the time that Reed was a bit of a
tin-eared twat on the basis of those few quotes.
Chris West
<eg005...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>I used to own a book of Rock Quotes (published late seventies) which
>included a couple of Lou Reed lines disparaging about FZ's lack of talent. I
>had taken them at face value until the induction happened, then presumed it
>was either ironic, or manufactured in a Blur vs Oasis kind of way. Wish I
>could find the book. I think it was published by Omnibus in the U.K.
According to Electric Don Quixote, Lou Reed described Zappa as the
single most untalented person he'd met in his entire life, and went on
with more insults. That's why the Zappa family were so offended when
Reed was selected to induct FZ into the Hall of Fame.
--
Chris West
Chris West
<greig...@hotmail.com> writes
To be fair to Reed, the quotes date from 1966 when the Mothers and
Velvet Underground were sharing bills. Zappa hadn't revealed the full
extent of his abilities at that point.
--
Chris West
Chris Maxfield
>>somewhere). I had thought at the time that Reed was a bit of a
>>tin-eared twat on the basis of those few quotes.
>
>To be fair to Reed, the quotes date from 1966 when the Mothers and
>Velvet Underground were sharing bills. Zappa hadn't revealed the full
>extent of his abilities at that point.
>--
>Chris West
While Reed, on the other hand, was "peaking" (probably in more ways than one)
at the time.
"Put your head back; here comes the drill." Frank Zappa, R&E
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
Pat Buzby
> included a couple of Lou Reed lines disparaging about FZ's lack of talent. I
> had taken them at face value until the induction happened, then presumed it
> was either ironic, or manufactured in a Blur vs Oasis kind of way. Wish I
> could find the book. I think it was published by Omnibus in the U.K.
I read a book about the Velvets where one of them (Sterling
Morrison, I think) claimed that FZ was bashing them onstage at the
time. I think Sterling also mentioned the Velvets feeling that Verve
was putting more money into the Mothers than them.
I remember seeing FZ mention, in one interview circa the 90's,
that he saw the Velvets end a set by leaning a guitar against an amp
and walking offstage, leaving it to buzz obnoxiously, and he was not
pleased at what he thought was a hostile gesture to a nice audience.
In another latterday interview (the Groening one) he denied that there
was any Mothers/Velvets rivalry.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Pat Buzby
I read that Ahmet and Dweezil had gotten wind of Reed saying that
he wished Zappa had died when he got pushed off the stage in London in
1971.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Peter Harrington
shared the stage. He made fun of them because they were too drunk and
stoned to play, and instead they would pose as tough new yorkers.
I remember Lou criticizing Frank for the 'cruel' things he said about the VU
while he was on stage. Plus, both Frank and the VU held the whole San Fran
hippy scene in contempt.
Perhaps a bit too much free glove was going around at the time.
Pete
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mike macken
so what has lou reed done in the last 20 years ?
Zappa is widely acclaimed as one of the top 4 or 5 composers of the
20th century....that pretty much says it all.
i'de like ya to ask guys like jeff beck, bb king, wynton marsalis,
chuck berry, jimmy page about the two's comparative ability
THEY WOULD PROBABLY JUST STARE AT YOU AND LAUGH for asking
such a ridiculous question.
hey i am a guy stuck in double aa baseball and i think an all star
major leaguer like derek jetter can't play LOL
Pacome Thiellement
There is also an interview where Zappa praises the first VU album as "good
NY folk music". Althought there must be some irony, he played "All
tomorrow's parties" during his radio show on BBC 1 (end of the 70's). Lou
Reed said during the speech at the Hall of Fame that Zappa is one the 3
persons that he really respected in his life together with Delmore Schwartz
and Andy Wahrol. And I think he was sincere (or tried to be)
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Frunobulax
disaffected American suddenly finding himself feeling patriotic in a foreign
land as its citizens bash the US: you feel a strong urge to defend but you know
you've got very little ammo.
I like Lou -it's just that he's done very little (especially in comparison with
Frank) that I can use as an example as to why I like him.
Kwami Fabu
>On 18 Feb 2004 15:11:24 -0800, greig...@hotmail.com (GW) wrote:
>
>>"E Grainger" <eg005...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<WpOYb.2$ik...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
>>> I used to own a book of Rock Quotes (published late seventies) which
>>> included a couple of Lou Reed lines disparaging about FZ's lack of talent. I
>>> had taken them at face value until the induction happened, then presumed it
>>> was either ironic, or manufactured in a Blur vs Oasis kind of way. Wish I
>>> could find the book. I think it was published by Omnibus in the U.K.
>>> "Michael G Smith" <mikey...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9a9afe56.04021...@posting.google.com...
>>> > > What is the exact release date for Blonde On Blonde?
>>> >
>>> > May 16, 1966
>>
>>I used to have that book too (may still have it stashed away
>>somewhere). I had thought at the time that Reed was a bit of a
>>tin-eared twat on the basis of those few quotes.
>
>so what has lou reed done in the last 20 years ?
His "New York" album is a classic. Other than that I couldn't
tell ya.
Lou was nowhere near the musician FZ was and didn't really
try to be. His lyrics (when not overly dark and/or pretentious)
were his strength.
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Vagina Dentata
> I think transformer is a key album in the history of popmusic....
>
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I think you're right. When Transformer gets on my record player (Vinyl yay!)
it stays there awhile.
VD
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And Weasels Ripped My Flesh is what?
VD
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I like Lou's voice and guitar.
Different sensibilities for sure but better/worse doesn't really come into
it. IMO
and in terms of influence on teen rockin' combos the VU are right up
there...
VD
Peter Harrington
When I bought Take No Prisoners on Vinyl, it put me off of Lou forever!!! I
actually scratched the album so I could return it, and picked up a copy of
the Live Dead Triple album in its place.
That was how bad it was! Check the reviews on Amazon for this stinker.
Pete
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Thomas Richards
should butt heads over their art. By all accounts Reed really did admire
Warhol, yet he quarreled with him to the point where they were not on
speaking terms at the time of Warhol's death. Lou's just an abrasive kinda
guy.
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mike macken
<phar...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>We used to rock out to Rock and Roll Animal in High School.
>
>When I bought Take No Prisoners on Vinyl, it put me off of Lou forever!!! I
>actually scratched the album so I could return it, and picked up a copy of
>the Live Dead Triple album in its place.
>
>That was how bad it was! Check the reviews on Amazon for this stinker.
>
>Pete
>
So i guess Lou Reed was the inspiration for you to beat RUN DMC to the
punch by about 30 years LOL.
i used my copy as a frisbie for my dog to play with.
Pacome Thiellement
I think you're right. We can also take consideration of the fact that the
two famous Lou Reed quotes are from very different times of his life & he
may have changed his mind about Zappa's music (which is something very,
very, very different than his music).
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that is a great song!
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> MY FAVORITE LOU REED ALBUM
>
> ESPECIALLY LOVE I WANNA BE BLACK
> "Are you sharing_the_grave ? well are you punk!"
Tom Thornton
they did not go down well with the west coast audience. That may have
antagonized them to anything California.
Bill
They learned how to go down better as they became more experienced.
Pat Buzby
> We used to rock out to Rock and Roll Animal in High School.
>
> When I bought Take No Prisoners on Vinyl, it put me off of Lou forever!!! I
> actually scratched the album so I could return it, and picked up a copy of
> the Live Dead Triple album in its place.
>
> That was how bad it was! Check the reviews on Amazon for this stinker.
One of these days I'd like to hear Metal Machine Music.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
>One of these days I'd like to hear Metal Machine Music.
It really is great. Imagine "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" mixed with the
last half of "Dwarf Nebula" at quadruple speed, all looped for an hour.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
"If substituting bugs for raisins in oatmeal cookies is wrong,
I don't want to be right."--Bucky Katt
Michael Gula
They chose the four highlights and you can loop each one. No need
to buy the album.
Pat Buzby
> > I remember seeing FZ mention, in one interview circa the 90's,
> > that he saw the Velvets end a set by leaning a guitar against an amp
> > and walking offstage, leaving it to buzz obnoxiously, and he was not
> > pleased at what he thought was a hostile gesture to a nice audience.
> >
> > Pat Buzby
> > Chicago, IL
>
> And Weasels Ripped My Flesh is what?
Well, I had the same thought. Maybe the audience wasn't so nice that night.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
>> And Weasels Ripped My Flesh is what?
>
> Well, I had the same thought. Maybe the audience wasn't so nice that
>night.
Also consider that piece's sonic opposite, "Dead Air," which consisted
of the MOI glaring silently at the audience until they revolted.