"Shit on Stage" Urban Legend Vectored in Swedish Weekly
Bossk (R)
The latest issue of Vecko-Revyn, a Swedish magazine for young women, vectors
the "shit on stage" urban folklore, in the "gross-out contest with Alice
Cooper" variation - they call it a "gross-out war". They do mention that
both Zappa and Cooper have denied it, but seem to still treat it as
historical fact. They also provide some imaginative detail: a plastic spoon.
(Newcomers be advised that this rumour is not at all true.)
The direct quote:
Rockstjärnan Frank Zappa ville också vara äcklig. Varför han
startade ett krig med Alice Cooper om att vara snuskigast på
scenen. Zappa tog priset genom att dra av sig byxorna på
scenen, bajsa och äta upp bajset med en plastsked.
Både Zappa och Cooper har förnekat att detta äckelrig, som
fyllde tidningarna med svarta rubriker, någonsin existerat.
A translation:
Rock star Frank Zappa also wanted to be gross. Which is why
he started a war with Alice Cooper about who could do the
filthiest thing on stage. Zappa won by pulling his pants off on
stage, poop and eat up the poop with a plastic spoon.
Both Zappa and Cooper have denied that this gross-out war,
which filled newspapers with black headlines, ever existed.
(Newcomers be advised, again, that this rumour is not at all true.)
--- johan <wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se>
"I should let you know, my grandmaster has strange habits."
- Lo Jui, SHAOLIN VS LAMA, Hong Kong 1984 (English dub)
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
<wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se> wrote:
> A translation:
>
> Rock star Frank Zappa also wanted to be gross. Which is why
> he started a war with Alice Cooper about who could do the
> filthiest thing on stage. Zappa won by pulling his pants off on
> stage, poop and eat up the poop with a plastic spoon.
I always thought he used a paper knife.
--
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Clyde200
>I always thought he used a paper knife.
What would he frost with that ?
Clyde
the candles were drippy...
dan the kitti man
<fCGG1.4656$LV5.7...@nntpserver.swip.net>, wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se
(Bossk (R)) said...
>
> Rock star Frank Zappa also wanted to be gross. Which is why
> he started a war with Alice Cooper about who could do the
> filthiest thing on stage. Zappa won by pulling his pants off on
> stage, poop and eat up the poop with a plastic spoon.
>
> which filled newspapers with black headlines, ever existed.
it's even more interesting when translated to french and back to english
via babelfish:
The Zappa counter-signature of high-speed motorboat of the rock'n'roll
also wanted to be rough. What is why it began a war with the wet cooper
of Alice about whom could make the thing more disgusting on the stage.
Zappa gained by drawing his trousers except function on the stage, poop
and eats to the top of the poop with a plastic spoon. Zappa and wet
cooper denied that this rough-outside war, which filled newspapers with
black titles, ever existed.
(so of course the zappa-alice cooper gross out contest never happened, it
was fz & wet cooper.)
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Tal
the readability of the postings by our esteemed Portuguese correspondent in
recent weeks.
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dan the kitti man
an...@SPAM.cidanka.nl (Tal) said...
>
> I forgot about Babelfish. The portuguese to english option probably explains
> the readability of the postings by our esteemed Portuguese correspondent in
> recent weeks.
really? let's see....
I forgot myself on Babelfish. The Portuguese to the English option
explains probably the legibility of postings for our correspondent
portuguese esteemed in recent weeks.
eep!! you are absolutely right!! :O
the high speed motorboat works as a link to fz's appearance on miami
vice. and in the portugese version it is raised to the speed of rock &
roll:
Counter-signature of Zappa of motorboat raised of the speed of
rock'n'roll also wanted to be rough. What it is because started a war
with wet cooper of Alice on who could make the thing most disgusting in
the period of training. Zappa profit drawing its trousers except the
function in the period of training, poop and eats to the high one of poop
with a plastic spoon. Zappa and wet cooper had denied that this war of
the external rough-part, that fulled periodicals with the black headings,
always existed.
(but in the portugese version it *ALWAYS* existed?! is it just me or
does that say a lot about portugese translations?)
Muffin Man
I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable sources
that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The other,
either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved (didn't
ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun) but they were
both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
Tal
Isn't Vince the Cooper man from Michigan? There's a link there.
Peter de B. Harrington
the Mothers did alot with food, and some of it was not
very well preserved. So it actually may really have smelled like shit
if you were close to the stage.
What they saw probably was a melted snickers bar that was perceived with
chemically enhanced imagination.
Pete
Muffin Man wrote in message <35EC9F46...@hotmail.com>...
dan the kitti man
jncon...@hotmail.com (Muffin Man) said...
> >
>
> I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable sources
> that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The other,
> either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved (didn't
> ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun) but they were
> both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
um............
how do we know *you* are serious about this story?
i know two ppl who saw the spice girls pee on stage. they were dead
serious about it.
not. :P
and.........what about sonny bono? how do we *know* pammy's on a bummer?
did anyone else see pammy on her bummer?
MDec500157
>From: Muffin Man <jncon...@hotmail.com>
>Date: Tue, Sep 1, 1998 21:28 EDT
>I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable
>sources
>that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The other,
>either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved
>(didn't
>ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun) but they
>were
>both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
I'm from Detroit. I know the high school Cooper went to; it's not in Flint, but
suburban Detroit. The version I heard was a "gross out contest" between Zappa
and Beefheart. In that version, whatever else happened, Beeheart shat on a drum
(on a drum, no less), and Zappa ate it.
Possibly around the same time Beefheart was badmouthing Cooper for throwing
live chickens into the audience. I don't know if that really happened or not. I
don't care.
When I saw Zappa in Flint it was 1974. I wasn't high, and didn't see anybody
eat anything (not onstage anyway). Zappa drank coffee and smoked Winstons.
It appears a few years earlier somebody was tripping. Throw acid into that mess
and you've got the meatheaded version of Babelfish.
Mike
"People are bloody ignorant apes!"
- Samuel Beckett
MDec500157
>Date: Wed, Sep 2, 1998 23:57 EDT
>You should ask them if they were tripping. At this time
>the Mothers did alot with food, and some of it was not
>very well preserved. So it actually may really have smelled like shit
>if you were close to the stage.
>
>What they saw probably was a melted snickers bar that was perceived with
>chemically enhanced imagination.
>
Indeed. The acid I used to get would give the appearance of melting to things
that weren't.
However, I never took anything at a Zappa concert, cos I wanted to remember as
much as I could.
MDec500157
>Date: Thu, Sep 3, 1998 16:36 EDT
>how do we know *you* are serious about this story?
>
>i know two ppl who saw the spice girls pee on stage. they were dead
>serious about it.
>
>not. :P
>
Well, that's actually believable. Once they get strapped int those costumes,
if they gotta go in the middle of the set...then Geri sez "I'm quitting"....
It would be funny, and wickly girl power to pee wherever they want. Worked for
the Sex Pistols, and they were ugly.
Mike
Hoodoo
wrote:
>Muffin Man heeft geschreven in bericht <35EC9F46...@hotmail.com>...
>>I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable
>sources
>>that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The
>other,
>>either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved
>(didn't
>>ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun) but they
>were
>>both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
>Isn't Vince the Cooper man from Michigan? There's a link there.
I thought Vince Fournier was from Phoenix, Arizona.
========
Hoodoo
With all of the untruths uncovered through the years,
why don't we rename that place the White-Lie House?
To contact me via e-mail please remove the
obvious pest deterrent in my address.
Muffin Man
Hoodoo wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:51:36 +0200, "Tal" <an...@SPAM.cidanka.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >Muffin Man heeft geschreven in bericht <35EC9F46...@hotmail.com>...
>
> >>I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable
> >sources
> >>that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The
> >other,
> >>either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved
> >(didn't
> >>ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun) but they
> >were
> >>both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
>
> >Isn't Vince the Cooper man from Michigan? There's a link there.
>
> I thought Vince Fournier was from Phoenix, Arizona.
>
> ========
> Hoodoo
>
Vincent (Alice Cooper) grew up in Detroit, MI and went to High School in Phoenix,
AZ.
P.S. I believe this story becuase "I" think I'm a good jugdement of character...
Another interesting note on this subject:
Alice Cooper was playing a concert in Toronto and
someone threw a chicken on stage. The chicken then got thrown back into the
audience and torn into pieces. The next day the paper said
"Alice Cooper tears apart chicken and
drinks blood", etc. There are two video interviews of Alice talking about this -
one is on his "Prime Cuts" video (circa 1992) and the other (I think) is the
Quincy Jones produced "History of Rock & Roll" 10 video set (not the PBS one).
Anyway, in the second one,
Alice says he got a call from Frank Zappa wherein Frank said "Did you really do
it?". Alice responded "No". Frank said "Don't tell 'em. You'll be better off if
they believe it really happened!!!".
I read this to say "When you think it happened, it didn't, and when you didn't
think it happened it did", which fits in perfectly with the "Eat shit on Stage"
story - nobody thinks it happned, BUT IT DID!!!
It Never Entered My Mind
>The version I heard was a "gross out contest" between Zappa
>and Beefheart. In that version, whatever else happened, Beeheart shat on a drum
>(on a drum, no less), and Zappa ate it.
If Zappa ate it, too bad it wasn't cow dung.
In many countries, cow dung is a source of spiritual blessings.
Unless Captain Beefheard shat cow dung...and was a cow hiding behind
the mask of a human.
Drew Freeman
mdec5...@aol.com (MDec500157) wrote:
> When I saw Zappa in Flint it was 1974. I wasn't high, and didn't see anybody
> eat anything (not onstage anyway). Zappa drank coffee and smoked Winstons.
This must be an urban legend.
I was talking to a some friends a few years back. One grew up in
Massachusetts, one in New Hampshire, one in Ohio and I grew up in
Pennsylvania. We discovered that we had all heard the story about Rod
Stewart's stomach being pumped only to find a gallon of sperm among the
contents.
It probably didn't happen (but you knever know). It probably wasn't a
gallon if it was true. How do things like this get started? Who knows? I
do remember seeing Rod Stewart in 1979 in Pittsburgh. He was nearly two
hours late (with no opering act) and was drunk as a skunk (he played "Do Ya
Think I'm Sexy?" twice... a few songs removed from one another).
Anyways... this little story made wonderful fodder while we waited for Rod
to sober up.
The point is that storied are exagerated and get passed around and are most
likely false. But you do have to wonder how these stories originated.
BTW... G.G. Alin did deficate and consume his own feces on stage. He did
more outrageous and disgusting acts in front of an audience also. Kinda
makes you wonder what he did in his private life... may not <g>.
--
Sometime you can get shown the light... in the strangest of places if you
look at it right !
Patrick Neve
> BTW... G.G. Alin did deficate and consume his own feces on stage. He did
> more outrageous and disgusting acts in front of an audience also. Kinda
> makes you wonder what he did in his private life... may not <g>.
He had a love affair with his brother, and OD'd in prison before he could
perform his final gig, which was supposed to be a live suicide onstage on
the Halloween of 1993. You just can't kill yourself onstage anymore.
Good riddance, G.G.! (p.s. I always wanted to book him as a solo acoustic
act at our local quiet folk coffeehouse. Ah, the regret.)
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
<jncon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>I know two separate people that don't know each other that are reputable
> > >sources
> > >>that saw Zappa perform this manuever. One was in Flint, Michigan. The
> > >other,
> > >>either New York or New Jersey. No mention of Alice Cooper being involved
> > >(didn't
> > >>ask). Naturally, I assumed they were bullshitting (pardon the pun)
but they
> > >were
> > >>both dead serious and I'll have to say I have to believe them.
How old are you, anyway? I've heard this story from folks whose
friends/brothers/sisters/hamsters were THERE, man!!!! and even from one or
two who claimed to be at the coprophagic event itself. Most of them didn't
know each other.
> Another interesting note on this subject:
{Chicken story snipped}
> Alice says he got a call from Frank Zappa wherein Frank said "Did you
really do
> it?". Alice responded "No". Frank said "Don't tell 'em. You'll be better
off if
> they believe it really happened!!!".
A wise bit of marketing advice, in this case.
> I read this to say "When you think it happened, it didn't, and when you didn't
> think it happened it did", which fits in perfectly with the "Eat shit on
Stage"
> story - nobody thinks it happned, BUT IT DID!!!
Scientology can help you with that.
Hoodoo
<jncon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hoodoo wrote:
>> I thought Vince Fournier was from Phoenix, Arizona.
>Vincent (Alice Cooper) grew up in Detroit, MI and went to High School in Phoenix,
>AZ.
I fupped duck. I now believe you are way more correct than I am/was.
>Alice Cooper was playing a concert in Toronto and
>someone threw a chicken on stage. The chicken then got thrown back into the
>audience and torn into pieces. The next day the paper said
>"Alice Cooper tears apart chicken and
>drinks blood", etc. There are two video interviews of Alice talking about this -
>one is on his "Prime Cuts" video (circa 1992) and the other (I think) is the
>Quincy Jones produced "History of Rock & Roll" 10 video set (not the PBS one).
>Anyway, in the second one,
>Alice says he got a call from Frank Zappa wherein Frank said "Did you really do
>it?". Alice responded "No". Frank said "Don't tell 'em. You'll be better off if
>they believe it really happened!!!".
>
>I read this to say "When you think it happened, it didn't, and when you didn't
>think it happened it did", which fits in perfectly with the "Eat shit on Stage"
>story - nobody thinks it happned, BUT IT DID!!!
Yeah, I 'member reading all of that quite awhile ago.
Bossk (R)
> I read this to say "When you think it happened, it didn't, and
> when you didn't think it happened it did", which fits in perfectly
> with the "Eat shit on Stage" story - nobody thinks it happned,
> BUT IT DID!!!
It's not exactly true that "nobody thinks it happened". Many people DO think
it happened, and 80 percent of Swedish females between 12 and 30 are
convinced for ever. :)
Web Dust
I first heard the story in the late 60's...
Don
Drew Freeman wrote in message ...
>In article <199809031844...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>mdec5...@aol.com (MDec500157) wrote:
>
>> When I saw Zappa in Flint it was 1974. I wasn't high, and didn't see
anybody
>> eat anything (not onstage anyway). Zappa drank coffee and smoked
Winstons.
>
>
>This must be an urban legend.
>
>I was talking to a some friends a few years back. One grew up in
>Massachusetts, one in New Hampshire, one in Ohio and I grew up in
>Pennsylvania. We discovered that we had all heard the story about Rod
>Stewart's stomach being pumped only to find a gallon of sperm among the
>contents.
>
>It probably didn't happen (but you knever know). It probably wasn't a
>gallon if it was true. How do things like this get started? Who knows? I
>do remember seeing Rod Stewart in 1979 in Pittsburgh. He was nearly two
>hours late (with no opering act) and was drunk as a skunk (he played "Do Ya
>Think I'm Sexy?" twice... a few songs removed from one another).
>Anyways... this little story made wonderful fodder while we waited for Rod
>to sober up.
>
>The point is that storied are exagerated and get passed around and are most
>likely false. But you do have to wonder how these stories originated.
>
>BTW... G.G. Alin did deficate and consume his own feces on stage. He did
>more outrageous and disgusting acts in front of an audience also. Kinda
>makes you wonder what he did in his private life... may not <g>.
>
Ubermolch
This is the question to end all questions. Urban legends, I think,
reflect what people want to hear -- quirky stories that are too good to be true
but too good not to be true. Urban legends are notorious for starting in
information-derpived situations in particular. For example, there were a whole
mess of them running around in the military during WWII -- they were believable
because people had some contact with the outside world but they sprouted
because people wanted more information from the outside world. There was a
whole section on this in Wartime by Paul Fussell, which I can't seem to find
right now.
-_Der Ubermolch
Chunga001
>>and Beefheart. In that version, whatever else happened, Beeheart shat on a
>drum
>>(on a drum, no less), and Zappa ate it.
>
Exactly. There are so many different versions of the story going around. The
one I heard is that Frank challenged anyone in the audience do do something
more disgusting than him. A guy got up on stage and had a shit, so Frank ate
it. Funny, but it didn't happen.
Andy
Marcel Hendrix
Of course not.
But look at how long this urban legend has survived. It is certainly a
great promotional idea (If I were a big record company executive, I'd
require my boys to ... never mind). Taking that into account, I don't see
why Zappa couldn't have set something up with a member of the audience or
a guest performer. If you think about it, it is extremely easy to do,
especially the eating part. The guy doing the shit has a more difficult
role.
-marcel
dan the kitti man
(Chunga001) said...
> There are so many different versions of the story going around. The
> one I heard is that Frank challenged anyone in the audience do do something
> more disgusting than him. A guy got up on stage and had a shit, so Frank ate
> it. Funny, but it didn't happen.
>
i heard that frank & gail were eating at neiman-marcus and they had these
really yummy cookies, and gail insisted on the recipe for the neiman
marcus cookie, and the waitress said it would cost "two fifty" & then
frank ordered the mystery burger instead. or something.
Patrick Neve
> So then ro...@teleport.com (Sam and/or Karen Rouse) sez ...
>
> [some urban legend snipped]
>
> You know, a couple of years ago I came across something that might
> have been the source, or one of the sources, of this vile canard.
> Y'all remember that FZ produced a Lenny Bruce record for Straight,
> called (I think; I gave the elpee to a big Lenny Bruce fan, which I am
> not) Lenny Bruce Live at the Fillmore, or someat like that. It's a
> gatefold album cover, and the big inside photo shows Lenny Bruce
> preparing to eat a turd out of a dish while eyeing the camera
> doubtfully. Could it be that this gag (a) got associated with Frank,
> through some weird fannish metonymy, and at the same time (b) got
> associated with real life, because Americans have smaller brains and
> are easily confused.
>
> Anybody else seen this photo/have this album?
Yeah, I've got it, it was re-issued as a CD by Enigma/ Bizarre but quickly
went out of print, along with the GTO's album and Lick My Decals Off Baby.
It's called The Berkeley Concert. He's preparing to give a turd a nice
omelette flip in a frying pan. There's a picture of it at the bottom of
this page:
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~splat/lenny.html
Rolf Maurer
[some urban legend snipped]
You know, a couple of years ago I came across something that might
have been the source, or one of the sources, of this vile canard.
Y'all remember that FZ produced a Lenny Bruce record for Straight,
called (I think; I gave the elpee to a big Lenny Bruce fan, which I am
not) Lenny Bruce Live at the Fillmore, or someat like that. It's a
gatefold album cover, and the big inside photo shows Lenny Bruce
preparing to eat a turd out of a dish while eyeing the camera
doubtfully. Could it be that this gag (a) got associated with Frank,
through some weird fannish metonymy, and at the same time (b) got
associated with real life, because Americans have smaller brains and
are easily confused.
Anybody else seen this photo/have this album?
Rolf
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