Aren't those the two reasons we all got into rock and roll? As a
professional journalist with over twenty years in the trenches, I have
two questions for you!
1) Who would know more about Zappa and Steely Dan - you or a
journalist who has spent time with both artist? 2) What is a better
album - Joe's Garage or Katy Lied?
Still not convinced... read my article as it appeared in Rolling Stone
magazine:
STEELY DAN IS THE BEST RECORDED BAND IN MUSIC HISTORY: Hey, Frank
Zappa fans, FUCK OFF! Uh oh, I just gave Frank Zappa a song title. Get
ready for an overly produced and pretentious song called "Hey, Frank
Zappa fans, FUCK OFF!" What did Zappa know - he was too baked to
understand a group like Steely Dan. Those who know good music know
Steely Dan. The brainchild of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, Steely
Dan made some of the greatest music in rock history. I submit for your
approval just a few documents: 1972's "Can't Buy A Thrill", 1973's
"Countdown to Ecstasy", 1974's "Pretzel Logic", 1975's "Katy Lied",
1976's "The Royal Scam", 1977's "Aja" - must I go on! This is a band
that has consistently delivered the goods for the past 30 years! Hey
just 'cause someone is good looking and intelligent, does that make
them an asshole? David Hasselhoff is a genius in Germany, but he can't
buy a fart in America! Give him a lazy eye and some webbed feet and
they'll call him a genius! Quick - turn to your right and count the
number of Steely Dan records in your collection. If you say less than
three then you're a liar! I hate liars! I love Steely Dan, and so do
you. So grab a Red Bull, put on "Katy Lied" and all your sins will be
forgiven!
BRETT MEISNER - www.rockandrollbadboy.com - HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA
> 1) Who would know more about Zappa and
> Steely Dan - you or a journalist who has spent
> time with both artist?
I know more about Zappa but I don't think I've heard Steely Dan at all.
Except one time on Letterman where there were these funny-looking old men
playing a bad song about a "cousin", which Letterman said was Steely Dan.
But perhaps it's like hearing the 1988 version of "Stevie's Spanking" as
your only exposure to Zappa :)
> 2) What is a better album - Joe's Garage or Katy Lied?
Kathy Lied ... I suppose.
Bossk (R) <bossk-...@telia.com>
THE ZAPPA PATIO: http://zappapatio.unixlover.com
I'm gonna SNEAK IN & HIDE - in the Batman Cave!
sorry i dont use elevators
so i dont listen to elevator music
' '
jesus thinks youre a jerk
but
i know youre an asshole
papa is this your idea of another joke
>On 14 Jun 2002 23:54:21 -0700, brettm...@hotmail.com
>(rockandrollbadboy) wrote:
>
>>Two quick questions: 1) Who sold more records? 2) Who got more
>>chicks?
>>
>>Aren't those the two reasons we all got into rock and roll? As a
>>professional journalist with over twenty years in the trenches, I have
>>two questions for you!
>>1) Who would know more about Zappa and Steely Dan - you or a
>>journalist who has spent time with both artist? 2) What is a better
>>album - Joe's Garage or Katy Lied?
>sorry i dont use elevators
>
>so i dont listen to elevator music
I may be a Dan fan, but that made me laugh........
Steve.
--
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mail: st...@XSPAMXguitarsXMAPSX.powernet.co.uk | Save money by setting
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>So grab a Red Bull, put on "Katy Lied" and all your sins will be
>forgiven!
Grabbing a bull is bestiality and that's a mortal sin.
If you do decide to grab one, turn up the Eagles, in case the
neighbours are listening.
>On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:58:30 GMT, NINJA < _*NI...@SWORD.EDG*_.> wrote:
>
>>On 14 Jun 2002 23:54:21 -0700, brettm...@hotmail.com
>>(rockandrollbadboy) wrote:
>>
>>>Two quick questions: 1) Who sold more records? 2) Who got more
>>>chicks?
>>>
>>>Aren't those the two reasons we all got into rock and roll? As a
>>>professional journalist with over twenty years in the trenches, I have
>>>two questions for you!
>>>1) Who would know more about Zappa and Steely Dan - you or a
>>>journalist who has spent time with both artist? 2) What is a better
>>>album - Joe's Garage or Katy Lied?
>
>>sorry i dont use elevators
>>
>>so i dont listen to elevator music
>
>I may be a Dan fan, but that made me laugh........
>
>Steve.
there not bad
but a little mellow for my tastes
comparing zappa to dan
is like comparing the devil to the god
We have the right to like what we want, unfortunately it means putting up
with dipshits like you who want to grab attention to themselves by bagging
out the subject of a particular group.
Do yourself and us a favor, stick your hand up your arse and give your brain
a dusting off, and try using it.
And for the record, whether someone sells 2 or 2 million records means
absolute fuck all. Look at all the albums Britney Spears has sold...do you
suggest we worship her?
For fucks sake, grow up and get fucked.
NP : 'Stevie's Spanking' by Frank Zappa (A great song in my honest opinion)
-BTM
> Do yourself and us a favor, stick your hand up
> your arse and give your brain a dusting off, and
> try using it.
>
> And for the record, whether someone sells 2 or
> 2 million records means absolute fuck all. Look
> at all the albums Britney Spears has sold ... do you
> suggest we worship her?
Are you by any chance a teenager?
Wow. You sure are easily trolled...
Time for a little quiz?
1. Who was the greatest musician of the 20th century?
2. Who was the leader of the Mothers?
Ok, question 1, I can't remember all to well.
Pete
"rockandrollbadboy" <brettm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c01a67b.02061...@posting.google.com...
"Peter de B. Harrington" wrote:
> Yes, but when Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, were inducted into the Rock
> and Roll Hall of fame (last year?), they made some reference to Frank at the
> end of their acceptance speech which went something like (anyone with an
> accuarate transciption please jump in).
>
I remember that, one of them asked the crowd if they knew who the Mothers'
drummer was. Everybody in the crowd laughed and looked around, and Becker-(I
think) yelled out Jimmy Carl Black! They know Zappa was the best.
fuck zappa stealin spam rulez
i suggest we change the name of this group to
alt.been.stealin-spam
and i say
katy lied about pretzel logic its a royal scam
aja on her countdown to ecstacy cant buy a thrill
>fuck zappa stealin spam rulez
>
>i suggest we change the name of this group to
>
>alt.been.stealin-spam
>
>
>and i say
>
>katy lied about pretzel logic its a royal scam
>
>aja on her countdown to ecstacy cant buy a thrill
Dammit, Ninja - you've made me laugh twice in as many days.
Maybe you're just too against nature........
oh please, I'm a teenager and the only steely dan song thats any good is "my
old school".
And anyway, their songwriting skills can't hold a candle to Zappa.
So please, don't group crap like Steely Dan and Teenagers together.
With that being said, I don't blame you for thinking I was a teenager going
by my previous post. Chalk my hateful attitude up to my recent dumping.
Don't you hate it when they tell you they've 'found someone better?'
Translation = you suck.
As for kiazmaz's post, 'easily trolled?'. You'll have to inform me of what
that means. I'm not really up with internet lingo. If it's along the lines
of easily pissed off, then yes, I am.
NP : 'Like That' by Dave Weckl Band
-BTM
>Frankie, my Conure Parrot, has been nibbling wax out of my ear. He sounds like
>that fucking noise in "Rikki Don't Lose That Number."
as a friend of birds and parrots
i must tell you this is not smart
i must tell you this is not smart>
And why not? He's been doing this for years with no ill effects. He shows
affection by grooming me. Jesus builds the finest ear cleaning parrots
anywhere.
-g
> oh please, I'm a teenager and the only steely dan
> song thats any good is "my old school". And anyway,
> their songwriting skills can't hold a candle to Zappa.
> So please, don't group crap like Steely Dan and
> Teenagers together.
What?
<apply sig file here >
> in response to the question/title of this post: I think The Fear came
> from the fact that they employed a large staff of professional sleuths
> and goons to stay one step ahead of us on the road, and lay in wait at
> each town.
Why?
(Or have I failed to get some impenetrable band joke?)
<snip>
--
SB
As your attorney, I advise you to read (or watch the movie) "Fear And
Loathing In Los Vegas".
dave
Ahhhh. The penny drops. There is a tattered copy on my bookshelf but it's a
few years since I opened it.
--
SB
Im a fan of both and they never seem to get in the way of each other. Both
musical masterminds, but in different genres - actually both have created
musical genres of their own.
I think both Dan/Walter and Frank would have a good chuckle about it...
-- Matt Roberts / Pants
"Theres a big difference between kneeling down and bending over"
>I think the most interesting part of this post is the title. Why would frank
>be "afraid" of the Dan? Seems a bit odd donšt you think.
That is most assuredly *not* what the troll asked. The troll specifically asked
why Frank was "affraid" of Steely Dan.
Which proves that he is not only a troll, he is an imbecile.
c_s
>I think the most interesting part of this post is the title. Why would frank
>be "afraid" of the Dan? Seems a bit odd donšt you think.
>
>Im a fan of both and they never seem to get in the way of each other. Both
>musical masterminds, but in different genres - actually both have created
>musical genres of their own.
>
>I think both Dan/Walter and Frank would have a good chuckle about it...
The RS article that the author has written seems to be very recent -
he says that the Dan have given us great music for the last 30 years.
Can't Buy a Thrill - 1972 - plus 30 equals 2002.
(And have you noticed how he conveniently forgets about Dan and Walt's
extended vacation after "Gaucho"?)*
In which case, at the time of writing, Frank was long gone on his last
tour.
So, you have to ask yourself, why is this person slagging off Frank
when he's dead, can't defend himself and couldn't write a song
entitled "Hey Frank Zappa Fans Fuck Off" even if he wanted to?
Because a dead person is an easy target.
What this guy is doing is a bit like a satirical comedian going
onstage and basing his whole routine on the state of the world before
WWII and trying to get a laugh out of Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.
It just isn't relevant to what's going on today.
Of course, if the article was written whilst Frank was alive, then the
sums just don't add up.
In which case, this guy would make as good a mathematician as he would
a satirist.
It may be be superfluous to say that he's not that good a journalist
either, but - hey - it's too late now..........
OK, so he's a troll, and trolls are best left unfed.
However, sometimes what you find crawling out when you lift up a rock
is so repulsively fascinating that you have to waste just a little
time on it.
Time to put the rock back..........
*That makes eight years of productivity pre-vacation and then about
nine years after the lay-off marked only by one live and one studio
album.
And we on AFFZ moan about the scarcity of new releases.........
Still - at least the Dan managed to get a DVD out ;-)
So it was actually the ether Frank was affraid of?
Are you by any chance a pedophile?
Saaaay . . . haven't I read your rants over at the Woody Alen ng?
"No one wants a baby that looks like that."
>So it was actually the ether Frank was affraid of?
Frank Booth?
c_s
If you get a love-letter from him, you're fucked forever!
Which reminds me of another Debby Harry tidbit from that Escape From New York
show - she had a plush monkey with wraparound sunglasses in a high-chair as her
main set decoration, with a sign above that had a Frank Booth quote (which may
or may not have been the one above).
Wanna laugh your ass off? Get the DVD of Blue Velvet and watch the Dennis
Hopper parts in French.
Like what? Woody?
>Two quick questions: 1) Who sold more records? 2) Who got more
>chicks?
Hanson sold lots of records you probably think they are good too.
question 2...what is better quanity or quality
>Aren't those the two reasons we all got into rock and roll? As a
>professional journalist with over twenty years in the trenches, I have
>two questions for you!
>1) Who would know more about Zappa and Steely Dan - you or a
>journalist who has spent time with both artist?
If you could explain to use the concept of moveable doe, you might
even come off as crediable.
Ok we'll settle for an explaination of an appeggio
How about a Crescendo ?
I thought so......go away you loser
P.s. I heard FRANK was affraid of anyone, who could sell lots of
records but didn't know a bosa nova from a tango from a
hemidemisemiquaver.
How bout's you make us a nice 'explaination' about what all which you think an
'appeggio' is and how it relates to a traid (or 'triamanad' in your
languagimous).
(it serves me right that I included a typo in that . . .)
> If you could explain to use the concept of
> moveable doe, you might even come off as
> crediable. Ok we'll settle for an explaination
> of an appeggio How about a Crescendo ?
>
> I thought so ... go away you loser
Please stop it. You make Zappa fans look like total idiots.
Z F U R
And why might that be, because of a typo or two ?
Any ZAPPA fan who doesn't have a basic grasp of most of the
above musical lingo, is probably only a wolf in sheeps clothing
anyway.
I wrote this because of the ORGINAL troll who came in here as a self
proclaimed "musical expert/critic".
Of course he hasn't answered my questions because, as one might expect
he wouldn't know a G major chord from a snare drum from a penatonic
scale.
>>Ok we'll settle for an explaination of an appeggio
>>How about a Crescendo ?
>
>How bout's you make us a nice 'explaination' about what all which you think an
>'appeggio' is and how it relates to a traid (or 'triamanad' in your
>languagimous).
ARE you talking to me or the orginal poster ?
If your talking to me, an arpeggio is a series of notes played one at
a time which consist as the root, 3rd, 5th, etc etc of a chord.
though these notes are played one at a time they imply the intonation
of the chord itself. If you play ONLY the root and the 5th of the
chord those two notes will combined to mimic or imply the 3rd of the
chord
I am quite sure all this is well beyond the grasp of the self proclaim
musical expert/troll who started this thread.
Some guy I saw on TV said it best (i forgot his name)
"If you not a musican there's a pretty big chance your not going to
even "Get Zappas music"....." If there is a parralle between visual
and sound, Zappa would sound like Dahli."
Or even squid-eating doe.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
http://members.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
http://www.mp3.com/michaelpdawson
The bullocks are thirsty and want some beer.
> > Please stop it. You make Zappa fans look like
> > total idiots.
> >
> > Z F U R
>
> And why might that be, because of a typo or two?
No, because you engage in my-dad-can-beat-your-dad
flamewars with the trolls: stooping to their level. And you
give the distinct impression that Zappa fans think "arpeggio"
and "crescendo" are advanced stuff that only hot-shots
understand.
Z
F
U
R
> > > If you could explain to use the concept of
> > > moveable doe
>
> Or even squid-eating doe.
...and a concrete fawn.
>On 21 Jun 2002 07:42:19 GMT, sevr...@aol.comcreamies (Frunobulax)
>wrote:
>
>>>Ok we'll settle for an explaination of an appeggio
>>>How about a Crescendo ?
>>
>>How bout's you make us a nice 'explaination' about what all which you think an
>>'appeggio' is and how it relates to a traid (or 'triamanad' in your
>>languagimous).
>
>ARE you talking to me or the orginal poster ?
>If your talking to me, an arpeggio is a series of notes played one at
>a time which consist as the root, 3rd, 5th, etc etc of a chord.
>though these notes are played one at a time they imply the intonation
>of the chord itself. If you play ONLY the root and the 5th of the
>chord those two notes will combined to mimic or imply the 3rd of the
>chord
Surely an arpeggio is *any* chord played one note at a time.
The notes don't have to be played in any hierarchy of pitch.
Thus a chord like C9 *could* be played one note at a time, thusly:
E Bb C D G
>I am quite sure all this is well beyond the grasp of the self proclaim
>musical expert/troll who started this thread.
I doubt that the original poster can walk and breathe at the same
time.
>Some guy I saw on TV said it best (i forgot his name)
>"If you not a musican there's a pretty big chance your not going to
>even "Get Zappas music"....." If there is a parralle between visual
>and sound, Zappa would sound like Dahli."
Or Dali even.........
As for non-musicians not "getting" Frank's music, I think that's
elitist bollocks, but - hey - what do I know?
That's like saying that people who aren't painters couldn't get Dali.
Or non-writers couldn't get Shakespeare.
Or non-sporty types couldn't get the Olympics.
Bollocks again.........
Good stuff appeals to everyone - regardless of whether they're
creators or consumers.
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:07:06 GMT, til...@mindspring.com (mike macken)
> wrote:
>
> >Some guy I saw on TV said it best (i forgot his name)
> >"If you not a musican there's a pretty big chance your not going to
> >even "Get Zappas music"....." If there is a parralle between visual
> >and sound, Zappa would sound like Dahli."
>
> Or Dali even.........
Or Dali...
Or concrete fla-min-i-goes...
"Put your head back; here comes the drill." Frank Zappa, R&E
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
>> >and sound, Zappa would sound like Dahli."
>> Or Dali even.........
>Or Dali...
Or Dalí (at least that's how Dalí would spell it)...
c_s
np: Snakefinger, "Save me from Dalí"
> Surely an arpeggio is *any* chord played one note at a time.
>
> The notes don't have to be played in any hierarchy of pitch.
>
> Thus a chord like C9 *could* be played one note at a time, thusly:
>
> E Bb C D G
What's the Mudshark Arpeggio? Or more precisely, what are the notes in the
Mudshark Arpeggio?
Stu
(who is super tired)
NP: Tomorrow Night by Bob Dylan
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:25:35 GMT, Charles let go of his pickle and out jumped:
>
> >> >and sound, Zappa would sound like Dahli."
>
> >> Or Dali even.........
>
> >Or Dali...
>
> Or Dalí (at least that's how Dalí would spell it)...
That's what I wrote too. I don't know where the accent mark went.
I guess it's time for another funny symbol test:
í i-acute
à a-grave
ü u-umlaut
ñ n-tilde
¼ pi
Æ AE
É E-acute
È E-grave
ç c-cedilla
You forgot:
Ê E-circumflex
Funny how by adding something it got close to being called circumcised.
Well, it worked that time. I guess I mistope the first time.
>I guess it's time for another funny symbol test:
>í i-acute
>à a-grave
>ü u-umlaut
>ñ n-tilde
>¼ pi
>Æ AE
>É E-acute
>È E-grave
>ç c-cedilla
Looks good, except for that "pi," which seems to have been mapped onto a "1/4."
c_s
>í i-acute
>à a-grave
>ü u-umlaut
>ñ n-tilde
> pi
>Æ AE
>É E-acute
>È E-grave
>ç c-cedilla
Sorry, AOL's newsreader seems to have washed up your pi.
That's strange there was about one quarter left when I looked.
Pi, that's an excellent movie.
> From: til...@mindspring.com (mike macken)
> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
> Reply-To: til...@mindspring.com
> Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:07:06 GMT
> Subject: Re: Why was Zappa affraid of Steely Dan???
Ah, I never realised I was listening to music beyond my grasp.
Hanzo
> Charles Ulrich wrote:
>
> >í i-acute
> >à a-grave
> >ü u-umlaut
> >ñ n-tilde
> > pi
> >Æ AE
> >É E-acute
> >È E-grave
> >ç c-cedilla
>
> Sorry, AOL's newsreader seems to have washed up your pi.
How about the other two?
you obviously missed the point.......you don't have to understand the
mechanics or genuis of it to appreciate it but it sure helps.
HEY HERE'S A FACT there have been SEVERAL Very Accomplished musicans
who played in Franks bands who unabashedly admitted "HALF THE TIME
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, he was
just in another relm musically speaking"
I guess its sorta like driving a car you have to know to step on the
gas pedal to make it go, but you need not understand the mechanics of
the result of your actions.
Thus i sorta think of musicans in the manner that some are good
drivers, some are great drivers BUT SO FEW LIKE ZAPPA were not only
great drivers they could build a car.
Hey i know a good car when i drive one or see one but building one is
admittedly way beyond my capabilities.
There's no "close" when you're talking about circumcision.
--
Michael Smith
Toronto
NP: nada
>On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:04:46 +0200, hans <h...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Since you brought up cars; frank's Rolls Silver Shadow is up for
auction on eBay...#1837952763. Pick up Valerie and go cruisin' for
burgers.
Wally
It is doubtful that Mike intended to say that the music is beyond your
grasp. Instead it is not impossible, just much less likely that you
will appreciate FZ music if you are not a musician
I admit I know little about the nuts and bolts of producing music.
Unless you count my two years as a teenager I was a tenor drummer in a
bagpipe band. We did quite a few parades. Almost everyone I know that
appreciates FZ music beyond the references to blow jobs and the use of
the word "fuck" has some musical experience.
You may not see a logical reason that I should like this music, but I
do. It often gets me in the gut. It is a gut feeling. It is the
emotional impact that attracts me. Perhaps much of the nuts and bolts
are beyond me. I remember Dr. Frink explaining to the kindergartners
that he would not let them play with a toy because they wouldn't enjoy
it on as many levels as he would. My response to Dr. Frink is best put
by DVV in FZ's LE: "Fuck you if you don't like my hat."
--
" we all want to be able to pull our trousers up to our armpits
and walk around on our knees with dustbin lids on our heads,
but a primary school environment is not the one to do it in."-T.W.
>On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:03:45 GMT, "Zappa Fans United in Righteousness"
I could distinguish a snare drum from the other two, but I'm not sure
about distinguishing the other two.
Yup that about sums it up.....there are very few guys that can make me
feel like i am on a muscial roller coster with no seat belt....just a
few that come to mind off the top of my head would be Zappa
Charile Parker, Buddy Rich, Maybe Duke Ellington
Or a fast and bulbous dough flamingo eating crabgrass from under an
enormously-peckered, so wise-beyond-his-years baby on a New Jersey Italian's
front lawn whose mama needs an inner-tube patching???