The Manson Family's Bobby Beausoleil heard on 'Freak Out', and, his interaction with FZ
Hoodini
'net to obtain additional information about the various people and
places associated with the crimes committed as well as any other
aspects of the 'Family'.
I happened to find the brief biographical data immediately below which
mentions Bobby Beausoleil appearing on 'Freak Out'. I then searched
Google Groups for mention of him in this newsgroup and was quite
surprised to find absolutely no mention of him in the archived history
of aff-z. There are a few 'hits' for the Cajun group, Beausoleil, but
nothing of him regardless of any possible variants of his given name.
A search of the aff-z archives at Google Groups shows that there are
[43 results for "charles manson"]. I assume there are additional
'hits' for variants of Manson's common given name.
As seen within the excerpt cited from Beausoleil's guestbook at the
bottom in this message, he informs of his musicianship in relation to
FZ's.
Unless someone is able to explain why there are no mentions of Bobby
Beausoleil within the archived aff-z messages at Google Groups, it
seems I may have discovered an overlooked aspect of the life and times
of FZ which no one previously had a need or desire to mention in this
newsgroup. This seems somewhat ironic considering the passing of 35+
years since the Manson murders, their effect on the world at large,
the number of years this newsgroup has been in existence, and, the
in-depth analysis of all things Zappa and related which has taken
place here during that time.
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From -
http://www.cielodrive.com/master.html?http://www.cielodrive.com/family/beausoleil/index.html
ROBERT KENNETH BEAUSOLEIL
AKA: Cupid, Jasper, Cherub, Robert Lee Hardy, Jason Lee Daniels
DOB: 11.6.47
Prisoner ID: B28302 or 11100535
Prison: Oregan State Peniteniary
http://www.cielodrive.com/family/beausoleil/1.jpg
The first of five children (2 sisters & 2 brothers), Bobby Beausoleil
was born in Santa Barbara, California in 1947. Bobby displayed an
interest in music at a very young age, and eventually taught himself
how to play the guitar. When Beausoleil was 16, he had an affair with
a cousin's wife; angered by the affair, his cousin left. Young Bobby
was forced to play the role of husband, working for a trailer company
to support his cousin's wife and child. After the death of a
grandmother Bobby moved to Los Angeles. There, he briefly played in a
band with Arthur Lee, called Grass Roots. Grass Roots would later
achieve fame under the name Love. Lee apparently named the group Love
as a reference to Beausoleil's nickname "Cupid". Bobby also became
friends with Frank Zappa, and can be heard as a backup singer on
Zappa's first record, Freak Out. However, the city of Angels proved to
be too superficial for Bobby, so he traveled north and fell in love
with the Bay Area.
In San Francisco, Beausoleil began playing with a band called The
Outfit, but eventually dropped out and started his own band called
Orkustra. The group played gigs in the Bay area from 1966 to '67, and
as the group was in the process of breaking up, Bobby met filmmaker
Kenneth Anger. Anger and Beausoleil worked together on the film
Lucifer Rising, in which, Bobby played the part of Lucifer, and helped
compose the score. At that time Beausoleil was playing in a band
called Magick Powerhouse of Oz, and living at Anger's "Russian
Embassy" house. In the fall of '67, Beausoleil and Anger had a falling
out, so Bobby decided to move back to Los Angeles.
In Los Angeles, Beausoleil once again found acting work and was
featured in soft porn titled Ramrodder. The movie was filmed near
Spahn's Movie Ranch and also starred family member Catherine Share.
Bobby was living in the basement of Gary Hinman's Topanga Canyon home
when he first ran into Manson and the Family at a house called the
"Spiral Staircase". Bobby's musical talent impressed Charlie and the
girls, and Bobby started hanging around with them. In the summer of
1969, Beausoleil sold $1000 worth of LSD to a group of bikers that
were hanging around Spahn's Ranch. Gary Hinman had made the LSD, but
according to the bikers it wasn't good and they wanted their money
back. So Beausoleil, with Family members Mary Brunner and Susan
Atkins, went to Hinman to get a refund. Hinman on the other hand felt
that the LSD was good and refused to give up any money. After a phone
call to Spahn's Ranch, Charles Manson and Bruce Davis came to the
house. Immediately after entering, Manson sliced off Hinman's left ear
with a sword. Charlie and Bruce left immediately. After two more days,
Hinman was still refusing to give Beausoleil any money. Bobby stabbed
Gary twice in the chest as Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner smothered
Hinman's face with a pillow.
Beausoleil was arrested for the murder of Gary Hinman on Thursday,
August 7, 1969. He had two trials, and was eventually convicted and
sentenced to death. His death sentence was commuted to Life when
California briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972. In 1982, he
married his current wife Barbara. Today he is serving his sentence in
Oregon State Penitentiary and still continues to make music.
BOBBY'S WEBSITE:
WWW.BEAUSOLEIL.NET
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From the guestbook section of Beausoleil's official website at:
http://www.beausoleil.net/dialogue.html
How are you doing? I was listening to one of your free demo tunes,
"Big House Blues", I thought it was pretty good, some good guitar
licks. It reminded me a little of Stevie Ray Vaughn , one of my all
time favorite guitarists, I used to practice all the time, to try and
capture his sound, but I never could, you do a better job than me,
putting that blues sound out than me, I just wanted to tell you, I
think your a pretty good guitar player, good luck.
The rock group Journey was great, but they did not become great until
Jonathan Cain formerly a member of "The Babys" became there
keyboardist, I dont' know if you have heard any of his stuff. He
is a great song writer, I think he is the best next to wakeman from
"Yes". What do you think?
ok, i have a couple of questions for you. Is it true you knew frank
zappa? And if you did, did you also know Steve Vai, the best guitarist
in my opinion, in the world and ever. The reason I ask is I know
frank taught Steve the basics, but I know Joe Satriani taught Steve
the rest of his knowledge, but I was wondering if frank zappa also
taught you, it says you found a guitar in the attic of your house and
taught yourself is that true?
And when you get out of prison, what will be the first fun thing you
do besides family and friends, disneyland or superbowll,lol?
Tom
Hi Tom,
Your questions have come faster than I could keep up with, so I'll try
to catch up by answering them all in one shot. Thanks for your patience.
It is an honor to be in the same sentence with Stevie, if not
necessarily in the same league as a guitarist. I never tire of
listening to him play in his recordings. Nice to think of Stevie and
Frank jamming together in Heaven. Actually, Stevie's style is much
different from mine. The thing that we have most in common is playing
from the heart. A lot of guitarists think it's all about learning the
licks of great guitar players. For most of the great guitar players,
however, it's more about playing with feeling, spontaneity and
imagination. Like B.B. King, I have just a few signature licks that I
keep putting together in different ways, along with some free
improvisation.
I have not heard a great deal of Journey's music - mainly just their
hits. I agree with you about Cain - a great pop rock keyboardist and
song writer - but it was the symbiotic interaction between his
keyboarding and Niel's guitar playing that most contributed to
Journey's great sound.
I knew Frank on a casual basis. When I was 16-17 I used to follow him
around, haunting his early recording sessions with the Mothers and,
when he would let me, hanging out at his apartment listening to the
wild-ass tapes he made. I was in awe of his musical talent, ability to
lead unruly musicians, and his musical vision as a composer. He also
made me laugh a lot. As you note, I found a guitar and taught myself
to play. When I first knew Frank, he was just beginning to pick up the
guitar. At that point, I was a better guitar player, but his musical
knowledge was miles beyond what I knew. He wouldn't let me join the
band - he said, because I didn't know how to read music.
After family, friends, and Disneyland, one of the first things I'm
going to do is get a dog and take a nice long walk. Then maybe I'll
start a new band.
Bobby
--
Neon Meate Dream Of A Octafish
Charles Ulrich
Hoodini <cal...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I happened to find the brief biographical data immediately below which
> mentions Bobby Beausoleil appearing on 'Freak Out'. I then searched
> Google Groups for mention of him in this newsgroup and was quite
> surprised to find absolutely no mention of him in the archived history
> of aff-z. There are a few 'hits' for the Cajun group, Beausoleil, but
> nothing of him regardless of any possible variants of his given name.
I guess you didn't search for "Bousselieiii".
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.frank-zappa/browse_frm/thread/5f1
aed171bbcb930/>
See also page 95 of Zappa: A Biography by Barry Miles.
--Charles
Hoodini
I don't recall ever seeing his surname spelled that way. I was
cautious about his being called Bobby, Bob, Robert, or any other
variant of his given name.
As for the message which initiated that discussion thread:
> Monkeeing Around With Zappa
> From: Ali Assa Seen - view profile
> Date: Wed, Apr 14 1999 12:00 am
> Email: danc...@auschron.com (Ali Assa Seen)
> Groups: alt.music.monkees, alt.fan.frank-zappa
> Just an anecdote with no particular purpose: This creepy Manson family
> member ("White Rabitt") that's been hanging out with me and my buds has a
> cool story he's been telling about Manson and the gang hopping in a car
> with Frank and Gail and repeatedly cruising by Micky's house blaring "Hey,
> Hey We're the Monkees!" at top volume. This was probably around 1969, I'm
> guessing. They ran the story in the Austin zine Salt For Slugs recently,
> intimating that Dolenz got pretty pissed (Actually, "Rabitt" keeps
> referring to "Micky Jones" so I'm just assuming we're talking Micky
> Dolenz, not Davy Jones here). "Rabitt" should be back out of jail again
> soon, so I guess I'll ask him personally when I run across him.
Perhaps the "Micky Jones" whom the "Rabbit" dude was referring to was
the drummer by that name:
Mickey Jones (I)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0428856/
http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/55/42/68m.jpg
Date of birth (location)
10 June 1941
Houston, Texas, USA
Sometimes Credited As:
Micky Jones
Among his considerable movie and television acting roles, he may be
most recognizable via the following:
"Home Improvement" .... Pete Bilker (13 episodes, 1991-1999)
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0428856/bio
Trivia
He was a member of The New Christy Minstrels and The First
Edition with Kenny Rogers.
Won a date with Tori Spelling on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno"
(1992) in 1996.
The musician-turned-actor was Bob Dylan's drummer during the
historic and controversial 1966 tour, when Dylan brought his newly
electrified sound to often-hostile folk fans. That volatile era is
resurrected by the official release (11/98) of a long-treasured
bootleg, Live 1966: The ''Royal Albert Hall'' Concert.
> See also page 95 of Zappa: A Biography by Barry Miles.
Thanks again for providing pointers toward supplemental background
information.
